From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 02:54:06 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Thank you Zeddy Message-ID: <531957.83343.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mr Zedekiah Nyanchama has given KCDN Kshs 7,000.00 in support of our programmes. This was in fulfillment of a pledge he made to me early March. At the same time, Mr Eric Jangolo of Barclays Bank has given Kshs 1000.00 in support. Mr Chrispin Obwolo of Getrude has also given us Kshs 1000.00 in support. On behalf of KCDN, I want to sincerely extend our gratitude to them. This support will go along way in strengthening our outreach. We have a lot going on now, and we appeal to more people of goodwill to come forward and help support what we are doing. Our blessings and Many thanks. Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, PO Box 47890-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. 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The sad thing is that there are those who happen to know our past and from time to time, do everything possible to remind us of it! If, say,the can of worms is opened, the world might see some, part , or all of the following: -We were responsible for the death of so many of God's children -We have been unfaithful, not once, but many times -We have been very mean to our spouses, children, parents, and many others -We cheated the Govt, employer, family members, and friends -We have destroyed the lives of many by gossiping, reporting them, or bearing false information about them -We have been a terror to the community. Our name is synonymous with trouble -You have sat on your wife or husband for many years. Every one seems to know that indeed you have mistreated he/she whom you claim to love -We have been a pain to our parents. We have caused them high blood pressure and many days of sleepless nights -We have taken advantage of our fellow human beings by involving them in deals that have deprived them of everything -We have had a kind of arrogance and jealousy that will not stand seeing others succeed. All we ever think of is about us and us alone -Our drinking and smoking habit has destroyed our loved ones -We have neglected our parents, siblings, children and spouses days without number No wonder the past stinks and no one wants anyone to remind us, or even mention it. So, are we doomed? By no means! There is away that you can become a new creature! Here is what the sure word of God tells us: Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be as wool." 1 John 1:8-10 " If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness . If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." Psalms 103:12 "As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." So really, the issue is not whether God can forgive us or not, but rather whether we are willing and humble enough to repent. In this way, we'll open a new page in our lives. But if we refuse and continue with our evil ways, then we have ourselves to blame. I know what my past has been and really want to plead with the man of Galilee to forgive and cleanse me! How about you? Just a thought! Pr Birai From suemakhanu at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 02:58:24 2009 From: suemakhanu at yahoo.com (Susan Makhanu) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Breaking News!-I Quit!- NEVER QUIT then GO WHERE?? Message-ID: <947549.80346.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its actually sad, But what has happened has happened. I dont know if you always listen to HOPE FM, everyday morning hours to lunch time there is a counseling session where you can send you depressing or disturbing questing, then you can be advised biblical on what step to take at this time. Indeed its an urgent need and dilemma that you need to address. You can only be married to one wife, and wed knowing that no day will you marry a second wife because? you are a christian, and in Christianity its not allowed. Call Hope FM and you shall be advised on how to be responsible of the kids you have with the other ladies. Its a weakness you had and you should first of all commit your life to Jesus, Get saved then you can be able to drive away the that spirit, if you dont it will still remain in you. and since you have decided to settle down and build a home, then as the head of that home, you have to do what is right for you to BE HAPPY. 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URL: From grnyongesa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 04:26:35 2009 From: grnyongesa at yahoo.com (George Nyongesa) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Right to food debate in Kenya Message-ID: <731042.88657.qm@web51708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Comrades, On Saturday 21st March 2009, on UHAKI Program aired on 99.9 PAMOJA FM a community radio station headquartered in Kibera a home of 1.7million Kenyans, we discussed the Right to food: Citizens responsibilities and the Role of Government in ensuring enjoyment of this right. We have reproduced here the information we shared: What is Governance? Governance refers to a set of policies, structures and processes that are established to guide, direct, and control how a country uses available resources to accomplish national good. What are human rights? - These are God-given rights, inherent in all of us and are inviolable. - We are equal as human beings because we are equally entitled to human rights without discrimination. - These rights are interrelated, interdependent and indivisible. - Human rights are internationally recognized. ? - Where your human rights are observed, as a human being you enjoy: dignity, peace, love, development and democracy among others. - Denial of human rights renders life meaningless. ? Though debatable, internationally there two recognizable categories of human rights: 1. Basic human rights; and 2. Secondary human rights ? We as Bunge la Mwananchi we focus our energies on the basic rights and therefore for starters in our radio dialogue on human rights approach to evaluation of government performance we shall focus on basic human rights. What are basic human rights? Examples of basic rights are right to food, right to shelter, right to clothing, right to education, right to healthcare, and right to a clean environment, among others. ? For purposes of public education on citizens? rights and responsibilities, on the UHAKI radio program we shall start with looking at ?Governance and the Right to food? and then progress to other rights. What does it mean to have the right to food? The right to food is the right to have regular, permanent and unrestricted access, either directly or by means of financial purchase, to quantitatively and qualitatively adequate and sufficient food corresponding to the cultural traditions of the people to which ensure a physical and mental, individual and collective, fulfilling and dignified life free of fear - Jean Ziegler, UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to food, 2004. ? What are interconnected rights to the right to food? - right to work and commensurate pay - right to water etc ? Who should ensure the enjoyment of the right to food? ? The right to adequate food, like any other human right, imposes 3 types or levels of obligations on the state. These are: the obligation to respect, to protect and to fulfil. The obligation to fulfil incorporates both an obligation to facilitate and an obligation to provide. Summarily put, in the same token of the government?s job to protect its citizen against invasion by foreign threat, the government also has the same responsibility to guard its citizens from internal threats such as food insecurity and disease. In Kenya the following Ministries and agencies are responsible for ensuring that Kenyans enjoy their right to food: - Ministry of Agriculture - Ministry of Livestock Development and Fisheries - National Food Security Coordinating Committee - National Cereals and Produce Board In enabling environment created by a functional and responsible government, the citizen?s responsibility is to find opportunity in the environment and engage themselves in legal activities that will ensure that they provide for self and their dependants their daily food needs. Key challenges to implementing the right to food in Kenya: - High poverty levels - Poor farming methods - High cost of farm inputs - Limited access to credit ad financial facilities by the poor - Poor policies on livestock growth and marketing of agriculture products - Lack of long term intervention to food security in Arid and Semi Areas - Poor infrastructure such as storage facilities and roads - Lack of appropriate food security policies - Natural disasters such as drought, famine, flooding So what can the government do halt hunger threats and also begin to address issue of food security? - Recognize the right to food is non- negotiable citizens? right and right to food refers to fundamental right of everyone to be free from hunger. - Review minimum wage law so as to allow majority of Kenyans to have income that can purchase food for their families - Ensure availability of inexpensive seeds and fertilizers - Prevent profiteers from hoarding food to cause fictitious scarcity - Restore the right for citizens to feed themselves through land reforms and employment creation. In particular review land ownership policy - Review laws that govern agricultural sector - Stop or slash down taxation on food commodities - Improve transport infrastructure - Invest in agriculture research, revive extension services, and devolve harvest storage facilities to the farmers - Increase budgetary allocation for agriculture and make it a lucrative income earner to push young people into farming - Protect farmers near wildlife camps so that their crops are not by animals ? We end by insisting that food supports people's life. Some countries that are people-sensitive such as India, Turkey or even Egypt have certain staple food that the government makes sure there is no price increase beyond the poorest of poor. In Kenya our equivalent is staple food is ugali- it is an acceptable that coalition government has refused to mitigate maize flour price increase. There is no government without the people. Therefore Kenyans must continue to demand that the government reigns in the price of maize and also our leadership must understand upholding human dignity by ensuring we all can access affordable and quality food. We must uphold right to food for all. ? Next week we discuss right to Water and role of government in ensuring enjoyment of this right. ? Posted by George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi +254 720 451 235 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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When a man loves a woman, he'd think of buying her flowers but never get the chance to. He'd pass by the florist everytime and everytime he'd have something else on his mind. When a man loves a woman, he'd want to open the door for her. But his friends come just befor he could. He'd make a mental note to do it next time before saying hi to his friends then move swiftly to talk about last night's game. When a man loves a woman, he'd mark her birthday on his calendr in his office but misplace the calender and never bother to look for it. ''why look for it?'' he'd think. ''I'll Just buy another one.'' When a man loves a woman, he'd ask how her day was and at the sound of her first words his mind would drift off to how he should have punched that matatu driver who ?swerved into his lane while chasing that hot chile in the red vitz. Then he'd think of how he should styl up and ditch his old beetle. Then he'd first have to get a loan or probably borrow some cash from his mama. This means she'd have to go on a budget and cut down on her unnecessary expenses. When a man loves a woman, he'd want to say it but couldn't. So he'd think of ways to show her that he does. He takes all the money from their joint account goes to a dealer. Drives home and on seeing his mama, says exited, '' Honey, look! I bought the Benz I always wanted so you can ride with me when I'm going to play ball with my pals! Isn't that great?!'' But when a woman loves a man, after some thought she'd sigh and say, ''Aww Honey, thats sweet. I love you.'' --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From elvisog2002 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 03:11:31 2009 From: elvisog2002 at yahoo.com (Elvis Timothy) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda Message-ID: <611099.28958.qm@web110410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> wow finally ,cant wait to meet the guy i gave my vote north carolina. but am here in kenya and he is coming, thats good news,guess have to tell my buddies in States abt it and hope he wont be like Bush by diverting the satelite and leaving us in the darkness communication wise in the name of Security like it was done in Dar Sallam. cheers.YES WE DID IT --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jorum Odiemo wrote: > From: Jorum Odiemo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama to visit uganda > To: "Young Proffessionals" > Cc: roseagunga at yahoo.com, mwangi.esther at yahoo.com, malize2000 at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 PM > http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/676503 > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mutuamrs at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 05:03:05 2009 From: mutuamrs at yahoo.com (Rose Nduku) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda Message-ID: <514232.90040.qm@web45215.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi elvis, are you sure, that you will meet the guy? Today is fool's day you know. i hope we are not getting fooled. good day --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Elvis Timothy wrote: > From: Elvis Timothy > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:11 AM > > > wow finally ,cant wait to meet the guy i gave my vote north > carolina. > > but am here in kenya and he is coming, thats good > news,guess have to tell my buddies in States abt it and hope > he wont be like Bush by diverting the satelite and leaving > us in the darkness communication wise in the name of > Security like it was done in Dar Sallam. > > cheers.YES WE DID IT > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jorum Odiemo > wrote: > > > From: Jorum Odiemo > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama to visit uganda > > To: "Young Proffessionals" > > Cc: roseagunga at yahoo.com, > mwangi.esther at yahoo.com, > malize2000 at yahoo.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 PM > > http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/676503 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From elias_kodungo at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 05:13:16 2009 From: elias_kodungo at yahoo.com (ELIAS OMBEDHO) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda In-Reply-To: <611099.28958.qm@web110410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <611099.28958.qm@web110410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <726052.94204.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Elvis, Don't get excited, remember, today is fool's day.? This must be one of those april's fools pranks. Thank u Elias ________________________________ From: Elvis Timothy To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 10:11:31 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda wow finally ,cant wait to meet the guy i gave my vote north carolina. but am here in kenya and he is coming, thats good news,guess have to tell my buddies in States abt it and hope he wont be like Bush by diverting the satelite and leaving us in the darkness communication wise in the name of Security like it was done in Dar Sallam. cheers.YES WE DID IT --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jorum Odiemo wrote: > From: Jorum Odiemo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama to visit uganda > To: "Young Proffessionals" > Cc: roseagunga at yahoo.com, mwangi.esther at yahoo.com, malize2000 at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 PM > http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/676503 > > > > > > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From docodotte at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 07:21:05 2009 From: docodotte at yahoo.com (donald odotte) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 04:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] FW: Update - Mzee Leonard Nyaware Maina Message-ID: <858637.86618.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> It is with great sorrow that we announce the passing away of Mzee Leonard Nyaware Maina of Ahero Nyando in Kano. Mzee Leonard passed away??on March 23rd 2009 at Nyanza Provincial Hospital Kisumu.?? He was the husband to the late Yuniah Nyaware, Father to Banda Nyaware of NY, Millicent Mwonya of Indiana, Maurice Nyaware of California, Maureen Nyaware, Collins Nyaware of Ahero Kenya, the late Mary Odago, Conny and Betty. Brother to Mr Mark Dulo Maina and James Yugi Maina, brother in Law to Ms Nereah Okumu of Penslvania, uncle to Hellen Odoyo, Jacque Ojiem, Nelly Ojiem of NY , Bildad Okumu and Antonina Muga both of Penslavania. A fundraising will be held on April 4, 2009 to help some family members attend the funeral and to help with some of the hospital bills.?? Venue for the fundraising will be at Grace Epicopal Church Hall polularly dubbed "Kondula Hall". Address: 1 Forest Ave, Monroe NY 10950 from 6:00 PM onwards. Please forward or share the above info with others. Thanks For further information please contact. Banda Nyaware 914-525-1328 Millicent Mwonya 765-778-3391 Nereah Okunu 484-995-3180 Jackie Ojiem 845-775-4881 Joab Okello??(Agar) 914-772-4791 Ben Odotte 732-421-7233 Patrick Kore 732-230-3538 Doc Odotte 732-213-9699 Walter Abongo 845-705-4950 Steven Ochola 914-299-2999 Dan Ngowe 845-505-0575 Maurice Atuse Odari 845-255-8688 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wachieng at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 08:19:30 2009 From: wachieng at yahoo.com (winnie) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: The woman in your life...!! In-Reply-To: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB07258706EEDA109@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> References: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB07258706EEDA109@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Message-ID: <616430.10113.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anthony! I like the way u think!!!! ________________________________ From: Anthony Wangondu To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 12:31:52 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The woman in your life...!! Linda, a short skirt and high heels improve any woman! (I can prove it!) Anyone who says anything else should be ignored! ? From:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk Sent: 31 March 2009 16:01 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The woman in your life...!! ? Thank you Felix.? The complexity of this complexes goes beyond my comprehension.? Ati short skirts = no virtue!! -----Original Message----- From: Felix Otiato [mailto:fotiato at gmail.com] Sent: 31 March 2009 15:49 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The woman in your life...!! ? Not in a bad way but this victimization debate that has been waged by some civic organizations has led to an imagined inferiority complex that most of our ladies are always fighting (against who). I think apart from mad situations men are not trying to undermine the position of the woman in the society. Infact most men respect their women for the burden the have is ernomous. ? Naturally the women takes care of the house and the kids and the man is supposed to make her life easy by being by her. I would like to urge the ladies in this forum not to get into this imagined inferiority complex. Just be yourself in your own envirionment. We respect you. 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Name: stat3120.jpg Type: image/gif Size: 19142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From situmanyongesa at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:25:16 2009 From: situmanyongesa at gmail.com (joseph nyongesa) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:25:16 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN... In-Reply-To: <991123400904010657m7e11994br744211dcf5adfa83@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400904010657m7e11994br744211dcf5adfa83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b1c74720904010725w106b868bw36771f9251c2f12@mail.gmail.com> Odhis what you are saying is truth number moja. The lady is trying to look good at the expense of men- or rather of her imagination since she has never even once been a man, and therefore only her imaginations imagines that men compare beautiful ladies to their mothers. For her information, moms are never compared any way. On 4/1/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM, wrote: > >> Odhis in defensive nang'o >> > > Linda, > > I am putting up defense for the menfolk. > It's natural to do so in the face of bashing, no? :-) > > > PS: Is there any man on this list who believes that their mother is the > most beautiful woman they have ever seen, and so has to compare every other > lady they meet with their mum? > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a > baby." > - Natalie Wood > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Friends described him as a funny and entertaining person who was always happy, full of life?a people person. He will forever remain in our hearts and our thoughts. Kaara was a star that shone here on earth and even now, we feel him shining down on us from heaven. Kaara worked at Resorts USA, Inc., in Stroudsburg, PA, for more than twenty years. Two years ago, he was diagnosed with colon cancer. After he underwent surgery, his health started deteriorating until Friday March 27, 2009 when the Lord called him. A memorial service will take place at Stroudsburg 7th day Adventist Church (Route 209 South. Stroudsburg, PA 18360) on Saturday April 4, 2009 at 6:00pm We are requesting all Kenyan friends to keep us in prayers and support us as we celebrate Kaara?s life and put his body to rest. 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Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 46 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2033 - Release Date: 03/31/09 13:05:00 From prcanb at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 12:15:04 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] When our loved ones/friends become our enemies! Message-ID: <856457.92173.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This morning, as I was at the club house, exercising to reduce "ebitinya," (unwanted fats,) my mind found itself in the world of wonderland and refused to exit. What was the problem? I was trying to understand why people who used to be friends at one time turn against each other! May be you have been a victim! Come with me as I share with you what my mind was trying to understand! -Out there, are people who used to be very close friends. They did almost everything together. Then came a time when something went wrong and the relationship turned sour. Since then, there is extreme hatred! Why? -Out there are school mates; individuals who grew up together and went to school together. But for some reasons, they are no longer in talking terms -Ever hosted someone at any time in your life time? Do you still talk? What happened? -Did you sponsor someone for further studies or encouraged them to go to school? Do they ever mention your name? what happened? -Do you recall the time when you and your siblings were one thing-ate together, did stuff together? How about today? -Do you recall the day you made your sweet heart? How about the places you went together, the presents you exchanged, the e-mails/text messages that you exchanged and your wedding day or the the day you agreed to live together! How about the first few months/years together? Is the situation the same today? How come you don't want to see this person that at one time you gave everything in order to have and to hold? -Have you ever noticed that some of the rape cases involves individuals who were once close friends? Do we have any Biblical examples? Yes, indeed! Here are some. -Read the story of Amnon and his half sister, Tamar, in 2 Samuel 13:1-38. Verses 14-15 reads, "But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her. Then Amnon hated her with intense hatred. In fact, he hated her more than he had loved her. Amnon said to her, "Get up and get out!" -A closer look at Mathew, mark, Luke, and John, tells us that the man of Galilee was hated by His so called brothers, {children of Joseph from a previous marriage,)those that He healed, opened their eyes and came to save? While you can not change other peoples hatred or negative attitude towards you, there is something that you can do to make this world a better place to live in. For those who hate you, don't want to see you, or go around saying all kinds of things about you, pray and wish them well! That is the path that I have decided to pursue. How about you? Just a thought! Pr Birai From mathewsogutu at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 05:03:56 2009 From: mathewsogutu at gmail.com (Mathews) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:03:56 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda In-Reply-To: <611099.28958.qm@web110410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <611099.28958.qm@web110410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is not True guys! On 4/1/09, Elvis Timothy wrote: > > > > wow finally ,cant wait to meet the guy i gave my vote north carolina. > > but am here in kenya and he is coming, thats good news,guess have to tell > my buddies in States abt it and hope he wont be like Bush by diverting the > satelite and leaving us in the darkness communication wise in the name of > Security like it was done in Dar Sallam. > > cheers.YES WE DID IT > > --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jorum Odiemo wrote: > > > From: Jorum Odiemo > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama to visit uganda > > To: "Young Proffessionals" > > Cc: roseagunga at yahoo.com, mwangi.esther at yahoo.com, malize2000 at yahoo.com > > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 PM > > http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/676503 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mathews O. Ogutu ICT Consultant P.O.Box 3337 00100 Nairobi Cell: 254-723-714 000 Alt E-mail:- mathewsogutu at yahoo.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 14:11:04 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] How old are you? Message-ID: <418745.95697.qm@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The question, "How old are you?" belongs to the personal dormain type of questions! It's a question that both women and men don't like to be asked, leave alone answering! Why? Because it comes with the package of descrimination! But wait a minute! Why ask? Can't you tell by looking at someone? Can you? No! How come? Because there are people who are old but look young, and at the same time people who are so young, but look too old? Any example? Yes, Indeed! Just yesterday, my dear wife went to the store with afriend of ours, who is 23 years. Our friend wanted to apply for the credit card! Guess what? They were quick to point out that one can only apply if he or she is 18 years and older! Both of them broke into laughter as they tried to come down and explain that the customer in question was much older than they thought. She had to produce the Identification card to convince them! So, what really happens! Part of the problem lies with individuls attitude toward their outward appearance! This by the way has caused alot of problems in many relationships! Let me explain: -There are ladies out there who have no taste for clothes or simply said they don't care how they look. They dress anyhowly, don't care about their hair or even apply nice perfume! And because of this, some of the men, don't want to be seen with them! Well, I know that there are some ladies who go into extremes and I am not suggesting that. What I am suggesting is that some ladies need to wake up! -Equally true, there are men who care less about how they look! What they fail to undersatnd is that their spouses and children feel embarrassed! My fellow tribe(men)let us dress good, shave and make our ladies happy and proud of us. -How about the young? Same applies to you but you too need to be careful lest you over dress. -If we can, let us also try to brush and frost our teeth and make sure that our breath is acceptable. I know what Iam talking about because I find myself a victim from time to time. Let us avoid chasing people because of the way we smell. All that is needed in some of these things is simply change of attitude/persepective? There is no way you can move to the city/another country, and continue to pretend that you are still in the village! By the way, did you know that cleanliness is second to God? Let us improve our outward appearance! Can we? Just a thought! Pr Birai From jbatec at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 19:07:35 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Fw: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger Message-ID: <392388.41825.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? This is Kenyan police live bullet on Civilians.? There is no law and order.? Kenyan Police have laws in their own hands they shoot citizens as criminals.? They do not give people chance to prove their guilt.? For how long must this continue to happen without the intervention of the International Community and Hague take their due process on Kenyan Police with its?bad?leadership? ? Watch this......... very sad.? Someone have been shot on the private parts and the other on the neck.? Can these two who were shot, have a chance to survive?? I doubt........Ooh ooh?my....these?youths have mother, father, brothers, sisters and friends who care for their lives. What did they do?????? They too are human beings with?conscience human feelings like everyone else.? They too want to enjoy living like the rich mans child. Do they have a right to living worthwhile lives without being gunned down like animals.? I feel saddened.....Kenya has gone completely bananas........ ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBK6cvpoxa0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enation%2E Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjconnectus at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 02:17:58 2009 From: cjconnectus at yahoo.com (David sijenyi) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN... Message-ID: <198884.93288.qm@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Linda, ? My Mother is trully not the most beautiful woman i have ever seen however, she has made the most impact in my life to this point hands down and for that I respect her and cherish her. It would be unfair to compare her with any other woman I know and have met to this point in my life. Not just unfair to my mum but to the other woman as well. each one of them has had a significant impact in my life. Warm Regards, David O. Sijenyi ? Opportunity is everywhere and there is enough for everyone.sijenyi --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: WHEN A MAN LOVES A WOMAN... To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:57 PM On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM, wrote: Odhis in defensive nang'o Linda, I am putting up defense for the menfolk. It's natural to do so in the face of bashing, no? :-) PS: Is there any man on this list who believes that their mother is the most beautiful woman they have ever seen, and so has to compare every other lady they meet with their mum? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Thu Apr 2 07:56:19 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 07:56:19 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda Message-ID: APRIL FOOLS DAY -----Original Message----- From: Elvis Timothy [mailto:elvisog2002 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:12 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Obama to visit uganda wow finally ,cant wait to meet the guy i gave my vote north carolina. but am here in kenya and he is coming, thats good news,guess have to tell my buddies in States abt it and hope he wont be like Bush by diverting the satelite and leaving us in the darkness communication wise in the name of Security like it was done in Dar Sallam. cheers.YES WE DID IT --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jorum Odiemo wrote: > From: Jorum Odiemo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama to visit uganda > To: "Young Proffessionals" > Cc: roseagunga at yahoo.com, mwangi.esther at yahoo.com, malize2000 at yahoo.com > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:37 PM > http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/676503 > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 07:32:17 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 04:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] God of the second chance! Message-ID: <119457.78692.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Of God, its written that "He loves the sinner, but hates sin." Indeed, He is God of the second chance! Some of the great Biblical characters committed some grave mistakes, but the good Lord gave them a second chance. I will cite but a few! ABRAHAM -He cheated that Sarah was his sister -He mistrusted God and made an attempt to help God -But the good Lord gave him a second chance -In the end, he was known as the father of faith and a friend of God SOLOMON -He went too far -He married 700 wives and 300 concubines -He worshiped other gods -But the good Lord did not abandon him -In the end, he repented, wrote the book of proverbs, Ecclesiastes and song of Solomon -Inspiration tells us that He will be in the kingdom DAVID -He killed Uriah and took his wife -But the good Lord gave him a second chance -In the end, He was known as "a man after God's heart! -The Messiah came through his lineage MOSES -He killed an Egyptian -He stroke the rock twice -He was denied entry into the earthly Canaan -In the end, the good Lord took him to heaven What does this tell us of our God? That, He is more interested in saving the world than destroying it! Hallelujah! He is patient and long suffering! The only time that He lets anyone go, is when that individual commits what the Bible terms as "unpardonable sin." Are you a sinner? So am I? Should we give up then? By no means! You and I can claim His promises even now? How did the man of Galilee deal with sinners while He was on earth? That will be our next topic? But as for now, let all those that you come across, know that our God, is God of the second chance! Will you? Just a thought! Pr Birai From mkivanda at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 09:16:25 2009 From: mkivanda at yahoo.com (mercy kivanda) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart Message-ID: <965177.14114.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> @Frank,please i wish to correct some very obvious mistakes we all make,GO TO CHURCH!well iam born again but let me tell you one thing,there are "CHURCHES" and there are "CHURCHES".What i mean is that she need to get more in touch with her spiritual side and have a close relationship with God,but just going too church every minute??she is free?how is that gonna sort her out.Its like telling her that church(the building)will fix her problem,what if she goes and doesnt find God?in her heart??or peace?Then she will have a diffrent view of church.Please ask her to fellowship,not go to church every free time.Sometimes we need to face reality.Prayer and faith always works.weather you are at home,in the bathroom,anywhere God listens to Prayer. --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Franklyne Terewa wrote: From: Franklyne Terewa Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:31 AM @ Suzanne, wawawawawawa,ati The Nose? surely c you will just hurt yourself more by going that road. Imagine how regretful you will be all your life if you keep reminding yourself of the frustrations you put up with which in turn hurt you vibaya sana. This things happen to many people,those who have never gone through this are the lucky few. You better just forget the whole thing and start reading the bible and go to church all the free time you have now that you were using such time to look at someone,infact if you end up making friends in the Lord you will never be hurt my dear unless it is for convenience. On 4/2/09, Suzanne Muigai wrote: > Sorry darling, you'll get through this. All the advice given is? great, so > follow it. However just to add onto what has been said,? for me,? what > helped through my breakup was dwelling on? his? weak? points, things > that you? hated in him but were willing to? live with? for the sake of > "Love".? if he? had a big nose,? dwell? on that! ask? yourself, what was i > thinking being seen in public with that nose?!!" (you can even? nickname him > "The NOSE") this helps you realize that in the real sense he did you a > favour!!!!? All the? best. > Suzanne > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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His mission was not to condemn the sinners but rather to help them see the consequences of sin, and provide them with an opportunity to connect with their God! A walk through the Gospels,(Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John,)reveal the following: -He mingled and ate with those that the community had come to regard as the "untouchables." -He knew each and every person that He came across and needed no any other information about any one. -Even when an opportunity presented itself, He stayed away from humiliating anybody by revealing their sins. Any examples? Yes, indeed! I will cite but a few! -He knew that Judas was a thief but never revealed it. -He knew that it was Simon, whom he had cured of leprosy, that had led Mary Magdalene into sin, but he did not reveal it. -He knew that Zacheaus had stolen from his own, but still stopped by the sycamore tree to talk and praise him And what was his message to all the sinners? -Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more-Mary Magdalene. -I know that you have had five husbands and that the one you live with now is not your husband-The woman at the well. -I must come to your house today, for you too are the son of Abraham-Zachaeus. -Go and sin no more, lest the worst things happen to you! Are you struggling with some kind of sin? Do your friends and others regard you as the greatest sinner? Here is the good news! The same Jesus has power today to forgive you and set you free! Do you feel like you are too much a sinner? Well, I will deal with that issue in my next write up. But as for today, purpose in your heart to tell others of the goodness of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the man of Galilee! Will you? Just a thought! Pr Birai From bethsoni at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 04:40:15 2009 From: bethsoni at yahoo.com (beth muthoni) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart In-Reply-To: <8a542d080904020028r181f6660x10368c86e3b4a64d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a542d080904020028r181f6660x10368c86e3b4a64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <623862.22442.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Brenda, A?few tips to heal a broken heart:- 1. Get rid of things that remind u of the person who hurt you. 2. Dont visit places u frequented with the person coz u r bound to see them there and it wont be gud for ur?????? healing process. 3. delete his/her numbers, email address and cut off all communication links. 4. Keep urself busy by doing wat u enjoy e.g hanging out with pals and stuff. 5. Avoid talking abt the person to anyone, even your friends. 6. Cry all u want. It sure does help. Try that. shud get ready to move on. Regards, Beth Nyaga ? ________________________________ From: brenda wanjiku To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 11:28:47 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Healing a broken heart How do cure a broken and hurting heart? How do you deal with it. Ever been devastated,?how did you go about it? To my brothers, Kwani isnt possible to quest your thirst from one well!!!!!!!!! Regards Brenda --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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And I would just like to point out that cheating really, is no solution. If you are not happy with the glass size, as someone put it, you get another glass, but get rid of the first one - you do not drink from both at the same time! And seriously, I do not wish to turn this into a battle of the sexes as it is already shaping out to be - I think if we all approached relationships and indeed life with the level headednes and emotional maturity it demands - we would all be spared the pain and heartache we seem to be taking ourselves through. Brenda girl hang in here - time does heal all wounds - chin up, count your blessings, think of the many ways this could have been worse and look forward to good things. Good luck! --- On Thu, 4/2/09, william benson wrote: > From: william benson > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 1:12 AM > pse repair your heart by praying hard but also look at the > size of the glass you we serving him with.maybe ni ndogo > mpaka anaenda kutafuta ingine kwa neighbour > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, brenda wanjiku > wrote: > > From: brenda wanjiku > Subject: [YP_Ke] Healing a broken heart > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:28 AM > > How do cure a broken and hurting heart? > How do you deal with it. Ever been devastated,?how did you > go about it? > To my brothers, Kwani isnt possible to quest your thirst > from one well!!!!!!!!! > ? > Regards > Brenda > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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I promise change for the good with God's help!! .................... --- On Thu, 4/2/09, leakey mushangi wrote: From: leakey mushangi Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Puma/Adidas shoes To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:00 AM there is a sports shop right opposite IBIZA on kimathi street, and before riviera cant remember its name check it out On 4/2/09, judy kaiguire wrote: > > Try Nairobi Sports House in tao and Village Market branches there is > also another shop at VM cant remember the name just near steers.. > > On 4/2/09, Felix Otiato wrote: >> YPs, >> >> Where can I get adidas or puma sports shoes apart from the exhibition >> joints? >> >> Regds >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Kuhn, Senior Vice President, Maple Leaf Foods, Toronto , Ontario , Canada ; [She was visiting a children?s home in Nakuru] 3] Lone Desperson, Maple Leaf Foods; Canada ; And a Lady whose name we inadvertently missed. ? On hand to receive our visitors were; 1] Mr. Onyango-Oloo, a Friend of KCDN, a prolific social commentator; 2] Mr. Lawrence Murunga, a Trustee of KCDN; 3] Mr. Onyango Atito, a Trustee of KCDN; 4] Tom from the Chief?s office; 5] Mr. Owino Olendo, Director, Taxplus Consult Ltd, a Friend of KCDN; 6] Ms. Phyllis Wanjiku, the Office Manager, KCDN; 7] Ms. Elizabeth Mwende, Programmes Officer, KCDN; 8] Ms. Ester Anying, Programmes Officer, KCDN; and 9] Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN. ? 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George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi --- On Thu, 4/2/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Fw: Presidential visit t To: madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, mailbox at nation.co.ke, mediakenya at yahoo.co.uk, "mulembe" , mwananchi at egroups.com, mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, "ARRF Newpath" , "Africare- NewPublications" , newvisionkenya at egroups.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "panafricanist" , "progressiveminds" , publicwatchdog at eastandard.net, regionalnews at ppa.or.ke, "Royal Media" , smaitawi at yahoogroups.com, SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com, "Alpha Sports" , "Standard" , "VOA" , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: "Mail Mars Group" , mbonbani at yahoogroups.com, "Judy Miriga" , "mwananchi" , "Nation" , "Nation TV" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "News Desk" , NewVisionKenya at yahoogroups.com, "Abuja Nigeria" , "George Nyongesa" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:10 PM --- On Thu, 4/2/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:55 AM Mr. Ben Ondoro, President- Kenya Community in Ontario Canada , paid a courtesy call on KCDN yesterday, 1st April 2009. This was in fulfillment of his desire to visit KCDN and see first hand what KCDN does. ? In his maiden visit, Mr. President was accompanied by; 1] Ms Betina Sehnke, Founder Director, Huband Cradle of Hope Children?s Home; Canada ; [The home is based at Ngong? Township]? 2] Ms Lynda J. Kuhn, Senior Vice President, Maple Leaf Foods, Toronto , Ontario , Canada ; [She was visiting a children?s home in Nakuru] 3] Lone Desperson, Maple Leaf Foods; Canada ; And a Lady whose name we inadvertently missed. ? On hand to receive our visitors were; 1] Mr. Onyango-Oloo, a Friend of KCDN, a prolific social commentator; 2] Mr. Lawrence Murunga, a Trustee of KCDN; 3] Mr. Onyango Atito, a Trustee of KCDN; 4] Tom from the Chief?s office; 5] Mr. Owino Olendo, Director, Taxplus Consult Ltd, a Friend of KCDN; 6] Ms. Phyllis Wanjiku, the Office Manager, KCDN; 7] Ms. Elizabeth Mwende, Programmes Officer, KCDN; 8] Ms. Ester Anying, Programmes Officer, KCDN; and 9] Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN. ? This was an introductory meeting of minds to explore areas of mutual cooperation in support of the........... http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com Regards, Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, PO Box 47890-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557, Email; komarockswatch at yahoo.com, http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com PICT0079.JPG PICT0081.JPG PICT0083.JPG PICT0084.JPG PICT0085.JPG PICT0086.JPG PICT0087.JPG PICT0088.JPG --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The fox after unsuccessfully?trying several times to reach the grapes because of his height,consoled himself by?dissmissing the grapes as sour anyway-Aesop`s Fables. ? To publicly denounce what we secretly crave for is the worst form of hypocrisy and,in my opinion, the root of all evil. ? onyatto --- On Thu, 2/4/09, Suzanne Muigai wrote: From: Suzanne Muigai Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 3:12 PM Crap or not,?It works! Live with it or die?trying. Suzanne --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jbatec at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 12:48:01 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger Message-ID: <564391.78156.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mr. Odhiambo, ? To deal with a mad man you too have to behave like one.? If Kenyan Leaders think they are unreachable or untouchable or unstopable, that stubbonly they continue to?lead?Kenya to the woods, I?will be in?the woods?and say what I think I need to say.? I have the right to speak my mind or voice and make noise as much as possible, sky is the limit, for those voiceless you think you can silence.?If you qualify me for insane, that too is not too bad, its part of the bumps on the road when you have to behave to confront madness in Kenya,?BUT the?good news is that Kenya will be salvaged and saved soon. ?Kenyan's system is a jungle, all you can see is mess everywhere - thats the outlook I am portraying and to provide solution you cannot go solving Kenyan problems one at a time - it wont work, it is jummed up.? It has to be logistically grouped for assessment, evaluation?and restructuring?while lumped together?to see magnitude of how messy the system of governance in Kenya has reached.? All must be put in one basket. It will take a rightful thinking minds on the wheel of reform to prioritize how to regroup in a multi-purpose lumped segment?arrangement?and to strategize the road forward reform agenda for Kenya without separating leaving behind any.? They will?concurrently? be put on surface for restructuring. All must be tackled at once because it is too late to do one at a time.??We will do it with a separation of discharge service. Yes it can be done and it will be done.? Just watch...... For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable.? Kenyan must get out of the woods.? That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to communicate to be heard of their grievances. ? To go by?your critics, I bet you are one of those policemen and I do not buy your argument, it does not hold any water.? Listen to Lucy Kibaki, for once she gave a thoughtful outlook of Police failed leadership. You sound very much like one of those Police officers?who fired live bullets on innocent students who are trying to communicate with no one listining to them.? You could possibly be one of?its agents. If you know about all these corruptions in Kenya, if you truely care, then do something about it instead of criticizing me - and thank you for your correction of word /ceased/g, ?I appreciate that.?About the CC. I want the world to know and be witnesses of whats going on in Kenya. ? Only in failed states do behaviours such like the Police in Kenya are practised.?? And so we condemn their acts together with all corruption elements in Kenya to stop immediately and with immediate effect.? The warning is clear and most effective. ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch this...........................in reference................... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjFlfL6Kbo ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNb7xYCaH0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5W5Ncq8yk ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_b95S0zEs ? LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM 11,855 views ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk ?v=2C_kPmBnJwkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk58 Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqvDZt0PnM ? ICC threatens to take over prosecutions 3,884 views --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: jbatec at yahoo.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, wrote: ? Folks, ? Odhiambo?is totally and completely wrong.? ? 1. The police should not use live bullets on those with no ammunation, you only use live bullets on insurgents and armed gangs or armed terrorist and there is the Judicial body, how many have been convicted and jailed, rich and small? Odhiambo can you answer? Yes, please. My point is that you are not very much in touch with the situation Police find themselves in when called upon to quell student riots. You have always been on the other side. If you were to be in the Policemen's shoes, you'd understand what it really means. However, let me not dwell do much in that. The Penal code in Kenya allows the use of "reasonable force" in certain situations and IIRC, Arsonists fall into that category. In this particular case of reference, the students committed arson. You also need to ask yourself: How many policemen would it take to quell such a riotous mob by simply taking a megaphone and telling the students that "guys, no more riots. Go into your hostels!"? I'd say it's a waste of efforts. Policemen did right. Those who got injured got their wounds as a result of their own violent behavior. ? ? 2. Police must have discipline law and order streamlined by a functioning government, the Government of Kenya seized functioning a long time ago. In Kenya people are living in fear there is no law and order anymore in the country s/seized/ceased/g The Police Force is the law enforcement arm of the government, so the govt is functional. The fact that the current govt cannot implement any meaningful policies is understandable. They are in a catch22 and we all appreciate how we came into this situation. It does have nothing to do with the student riots issue that you were addressing initially. Stop being diversionary. ? 3. The riot was caused as a result of dysfunctioning system, no proper regulatory management in place, there are too many needs unmet and this cannot restore and improve advancement or growth.? There are no tougher regulations for both the management and the students Is the university administration the same thing as the government to you? Please come down from the diaspora and get things right. The students were rioting against a particular administration - an independent one. The govt is not involved in the running of the universities. ? 4. We have a failed Government, failed system, failed law and order, failed discipline, free for all lifestyle and the tough make it the weak die who care? is the idiology in Kenya today So what? What does it have to do with the student riots? ? 5. What Government system is Kenya going by?? The rich and powerful have their say, steal, loot, kill and marginalizes and silences the poor and no one should open mouth to speak against their action and that they must continue looting and stealing and killing in style? We know about all this, but I have asked you to stay focused on the main issue. You come out as one person who doesn't even know the direction you are taking. You want to take all issues, related or not and bundle them into one thing. Whom are you trying to please? We know about the corruption in Kenya. Everyone knows. We know how much the anti corruption chief is being paid for doing nothing. We know that there is corruption that some would rather not touch. This happens everywhere. Wait another day and attack KACC and Ringera with this, but for today, please focus on the student riots. ? [All your other crap snipped] You know what I think about you? Given the way you'd like to tackle all problems at one go and given the CCs (the recipients you have marked on this mail), I think you are approaching lunacy. Please learn to handle one thing at a time to maintain your sanity. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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We need a strong, level headed, fair minded, Good, balanced, eloquent, honest and articulate individual, man or woman to lead this troubled nation. benji ________________________________ From: Benja Musau To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:46:33 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: THIS MAN JONESTONE MUTHAMA: Watching him kept me thinking, he has a dream which if 30% of the currents MP's could embrace Kenya would not be going through what its going thru' now. He put it right, they work hard to go to parliament to enrich themselves but as leaders. @nictor, whats ur reason for the big no?? On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, nictor wangusi wrote: NO!!!!! ________________________________ From: kithinji Eric To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:59:02 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] THIS MAN JONESTONE MUTHAMA: YPs, Last night I was watching Louis Otieno live on citizen TV and I think Mr. Jonestone Muthama is a man whose drive for being what he is(MP) is quite different from most of his collegues. Guys, don't you think he can make a leader with different way of thinking and possibly inmfluence in a positive way the manner of politicking in Kenya? Eric Murithi K. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The gist of the guy's argument was that your discourse was distorted (it still is). I for once was also very confused after seeing how a policeman's barton was all of a sudden related and adressed in the same breath as "..cut my husband's thing!". * ** *As for insanity, well, I agree with the Washington. Even the good book advises us to live one day at a time. While agreeing that the best solution to a problem is dealing with its root course, I'm also awake to the fact that lumping up everything just because you see a distant connection is the stuff insanity is made of. The struggle I may have trying to cut a hard part of the chicken I will perhaps eat for lunch today may be connected to some strange egg laid somewhere some months back; but will I care about that?..dont think so.my problem will be current and I will squarely deal with it thus. Judy, you dont want to lay the egg, hatch the egg, brood the chick, slaughter the chicken, fry the same and serve it, now do you?thats the stuff insanity is made of.* ** *Anyhow, notwithstanding the use of live bullets, I supported the police using force.I dont really care that it was someone's daughter or son, their activities of the night were stupid. After all, Hitler was someone's son too, wasnt he?* *My take!* *Ed* On 4/2/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: > > Mr. Odhiambo, > > To deal with a mad man you too have to behave like one. If Kenyan Leaders > think they are unreachable or untouchable or unstopable, that stubbonly they > continue to lead Kenya to the woods, I will be in the woods and say what I > think I need to say. I have the right to speak my mind or voice and make > noise as much as possible, sky is the limit, for those voiceless you think > you can silence. If you qualify me for insane, that too is not too bad, its > part of the bumps on the road when you have to behave to confront madness in > Kenya, BUT the good news is that Kenya will be salvaged and saved soon. > Kenyan's system is a jungle, all you can see is mess everywhere - thats the > outlook I am portraying and to provide solution you cannot go solving Kenyan > problems one at a time - it wont work, it is jummed up. It has to be > logistically grouped for assessment, evaluation and restructuring while > lumped together to see magnitude of how messy the system of governance in > Kenya has reached. All must be put in one basket. It will take a rightful > thinking minds on the wheel of reform to prioritize how to regroup in a > multi-purpose lumped segment arrangement and to strategize the road forward > reform agenda for Kenya without separating leaving behind any. They will > concurrently be put on surface for restructuring. All must be tackled at > once because it is too late to do one at a time. We will do it with a > separation of discharge service. Yes it can be done and it will be done. > Just watch...... > > For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in > the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable. Kenyan must get out > of the woods. That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to > communicate to be heard of their grievances. > > To go by your critics, I bet you are one of those policemen and I do not > buy your argument, it does not hold any water. Listen to Lucy Kibaki, for > once she gave a thoughtful outlook of Police failed leadership. You sound > very much like one of those Police officers who fired live bullets on > innocent students who are trying to communicate with no one listining to > them. You could possibly be one of its agents. If you know about all these > corruptions in Kenya, if you truely care, then do something about it instead > of criticizing me - and thank you for your correction of word /ceased/g, > I appreciate that. About the CC. I want the world to know and be witnesses > of whats going on in Kenya. > > Only in failed states do behaviours such like the Police in Kenya are > practised. And so we condemn their acts together with all corruption > elements in Kenya to stop immediately and with immediate effect. The > warning is clear and most effective. > > Thanks, > > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > Watch this...........................in reference................... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjFlfL6Kbo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNb7xYCaH0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5W5Ncq8yk > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_b95S0zEs > > [image: LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM] > LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM > 11,855 views > > [image: Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal] > *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk* > *?v=2C_kPmBnJwkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk**58* > Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqvDZt0PnM > > [image: ICC threatens to take over prosecutions] ICC threatens to take > over prosecutions > 3,884 views > > --- On *Thu, 4/2/09, Odhiambo Washington * wrote: > > > > From: Odhiambo Washington > Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Kenyan Police Happy Trigger > To: jbatec at yahoo.com > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, > > wrote: > >> >> Folks, >> >> Odhiambo is totally and completely wrong. >> >> 1. The police should not use live bullets on those with no ammunation, you >> only use live bullets on insurgents and armed gangs or armed terrorist and >> there is the Judicial body, how many have been convicted and jailed, rich >> and small? Odhiambo can you answer? >> > > Yes, please. > My point is that you are not very much in touch with the situation Police > find themselves in when called upon to quell student riots. You have always > been on the other side. If you were to be in the Policemen's shoes, you'd > understand what it really means. However, let me not dwell do much in that. > The Penal code in Kenya allows the use of "reasonable force" in certain > situations and IIRC, Arsonists fall into that category. In this particular > case of reference, the students committed arson. > You also need to ask yourself: How many policemen would it take to quell > such a riotous mob by simply taking a megaphone and telling the students > that "guys, no more riots. Go into your hostels!"? I'd say it's a waste of > efforts. Policemen did right. Those who got injured got their wounds as a > result of their own violent behavior. > > > > > >> 2. Police must have discipline law and order streamlined by a >> functioning government, the Government of Kenya seized functioning a long >> time ago. In Kenya people are living in fear there is no law and order >> anymore in the country >> > > s/seized/ceased/g > The Police Force is the law enforcement arm of the government, so the govt > is functional. The fact that the current govt cannot implement any > meaningful policies is understandable. They are in a catch22 and we all > appreciate how we came into this situation. It does have nothing to do with > the student riots issue that you were addressing initially. Stop being > diversionary. > > > >> 3. The riot was caused as a result of dysfunctioning system, no >> proper regulatory management in place, there are too many needs unmet and >> this cannot restore and improve advancement or growth. There are no tougher >> regulations for both the management and the students >> > > Is the university administration the same thing as the government to you? > Please come down from the diaspora and get things right. The students were > rioting against a particular administration - an independent one. The govt > is not involved in the running of the universities. > > > > >> 4. We have a failed Government, failed system, failed law and order, >> failed discipline, free for all lifestyle and the tough make it the weak die >> who care? is the idiology in Kenya today >> > > So what? > What does it have to do with the student riots? > > > >> 5. What Government system is Kenya going by? The rich and powerful >> have their say, steal, loot, kill and marginalizes and silences the poor and >> no one should open mouth to speak against their action and that they must >> continue looting and stealing and killing in style? >> > > We know about all this, but I have asked you to stay focused on the main > issue. You come out as one person who doesn't even know the direction you > are taking. You want to take all issues, related or not and bundle them into > one thing. Whom are you trying to please? We know about the corruption in > Kenya. Everyone knows. We know how much the anti corruption chief is being > paid for doing nothing. We know that there is corruption that some would > rather not touch. This happens everywhere. Wait another day and attack KACC > and Ringera with this, but for today, please focus on the student riots. > > [All your other crap snipped] > > You know what I think about you? Given the way you'd like to tackle all > problems at one go and given the CCs (the recipients you have marked on this > mail), I think you are approaching lunacy. Please learn to handle one thing > at a time to maintain your sanity. > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a > baby." > - Natalie Wood > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I got the name Wanjala due to the hunger season normally associated with this april month,that night my great grand papa came calling and i was named Shikanga,my papa is Terewa and thats my surname. Thanks dad for the effort you put in all those run-ins and run-outs to get my mama and construct me. Thanks mum for making this happen. Thanks my God for taking good care of me all this time and enabling me see the begining of my 27th year,i pray that you enable me see many more and live to blow enough candles, Amen. FWST, Happy Birthday Day. -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come." Wow! Whenever Jesus forgave someone, He warned, "Go now and leave your life of sin." (John 8:11.) But, does God have a limit? Yes and No! Here is why I say No! -"For a just man falls seven times, and rises up again, but the wicked shall fall into mischief"(Proverbs 24:16.) -God was patient with Moses for 120 years. -"And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven."{ Luke 8:2.} Mary went back to her life of sin seven times and for seven times, the good Lord forgave her -What about the sons of Zebedee that Jesus nicknamed, "sons of thunder? {Mark 3:17.) It took them three and half years for John to become the beloved disciple and for James, to become the first Christian martyr {Acts 12:1-2.} Are there times when God acted immediately? Yes; here are some examples: -Acts Chapter 5-Ananias and Sapphira, his wife, died. -Numbers Chapter 16, tell us that rebellion led to people being swallowed a a life by the ground. -The book of Numbers tells us that Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron was stricken with leprosy for opposing Moses. -Numbers 15:32 tells us of one who was stoned to death for picking firewood on Sabbath. -Daniel chapter 5 tells us that Belshazzar was killed for using holy items. -Acts Chapter 12 tells us that Herode was killed for an attempt to lift himself above God. Here is the summary. Its the good Lord who determines when one closes the line. Whenever that happens, He acts immediately. Unpardonable sin occurs when one comes to a point where he or she refuses to respond to the pleadings of the Holy Spirit! To be on the safe side, let us do our best by the grace of God to avoid sinning over and over again! Shall we? Just a thought! Pr Birai From moses.edmoses.ed at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 01:16:46 2009 From: moses.edmoses.ed at gmail.com (ed moses) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:16:46 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Why Do I Strangely Support some Effects of the Global Economic Crisis? Message-ID: *Let me string together some thoughts that I've been toying around with and that strangely drive me to support some effects of the global economic crisis, especially to developing countries, specifically here in Kenya. * ** *Apart from the more obvious direct effects of the crisis to our economy's spine namely tourism, reduction in exports esp hoticulture, foreign remmittances, loss of value of the shilling etc, one effect, I'm sure key to certain players of the populace that will always feature is Donor Funding!* *Now, it is imagined that as the economic crisis continues to bite in the developed countries, donor priorities will be re-drafted. Naturally, donor countries would divert money meant for foreign aid to first fix problems at home. The international community is awake to this fact and states that we (poor countries), weakened by this crisis will be the first to suffer from cuts in financial flows.* *This is my point now. My imagination tells me that afew characters in Kenya must have been spending sleepless nights cringing at the possibility of seriously suffocated donor money.While I'm not opposed to donor money flowing to help poor countries, I have not seen how this funding has helped the common mwananchi in Kenya. Infact, it is one of the most serious catalysts of corruption and why being an MP (who will eventually benefit from this or that committee seat etc) is slowly becoming the most coveted job around.* *I hear these days ati we are a sovereign country when someone tries to interfere inadvertently with a political scheme you're trying to hatch. Then suddnely, we dont know how to spell the word when we allegedly cant meet a budget deficit because of what?...u guessed it, lack of donor funding!!* *It is said that with proper policy actions, we can actually cushion ourselves from the adverse direct effects of the crisis. what obviously I think we cant cushion from is when a certain guy cant give you the green buck for obvious reasons.* ** *How I wish that we can cushion ourselves from the direct effects and have the donor funds seriously suffocated so that we have to depend on ourselves fully (by first raising Ksh 1B per annum from MP tax pockets). Thats why I silently smile when I read about the crisis!* ** *My take* --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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We always hear ?the rules" from the female side. am sure you are very happy the male species Now here are the rules from the male side. * *These are our rules! Please note. These are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE! 1. Men are NOT mind readers. 1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down. 1. Sunday sports. It's like the full moon the changing of the tides. Let it be. 1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way. 1. Crying is blackmail. 1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it! 1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question. 1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for. 1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a Problem. See a doctor. 1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 Days. 1. If you won't dress like the Victoria?s Secret girls, don't Expect us to act like soap opera guys. 1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. 1 If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one 1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself. 1. Whenever possible, Please say whatever you have to say during commercials. 1. Christopher Columbus did NOT need directions and neither do we. 1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is. 1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. 1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," We will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle. 1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, Expect an answer you don't want to hear. 1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine... Really. 1 Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as football, the shotgun formation, or the girl next door. 1. You have enough clothes. 1. You have too many shoes. 1. I am in shape. Round IS a shape! 1. Thank you for reading this. Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight; But did you know men really don't mind that? It's like camping. * * * --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From carol.mukami at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 04:07:47 2009 From: carol.mukami at gmail.com (Carol Mukami) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:07:47 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart In-Reply-To: <835242.76607.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <835242.76607.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <801280280904030107n17810c25yeb3f377d7022813@mail.gmail.com> Please see below from the internet, it may help you get over it. MISTAKE TO AVOID #1: STAYING IN TOUCH WITH YOUR EX. I hear from women all the time who do this, and I almost don't blame them, really. Your guy tells you it's over, or you get into a fight, or he says that he just can't see himself in a long-term relationship with you. For all intents and purposes, you know that he's broken up with you and the relationship is over. At least you feel that way for a day or two. But then something happens. He texts you. Or calls. Or emails. At first, he's just being "friendly" and asking if you're "ok." Maybe you get together with him for coffee and talk about how your friendship is too important to just throw away. How you want each other in your life in SOME WAY. He may even tell you things like that he still "loves you" or thinks you're special, or that he "cares." Sure, he thinks you're a great woman and he'd love to have you in his life in SOME WAY in order to boost his ego and lessen his OWN discomfort about the break-up. So it goes. Pretty soon, he's calling you all the time, and you're calling him. You know you should probably not stay in contact, but you almost can't help yourself from responding to his texts or answering the phone when you know it's him. And you get your HOPES UP that all that contact means he's getting closer to wanting you back. That there's a chance you can have things back to the way they used to be. Right? WRONG. Staying connected with a man who doesn't want a committed relationship with you (when you do) only PROLONGS your pain. Each time he reminds you that he's not ready, or hasn't changed his mind, is just you getting your heart broken again...and again...and again. STOP IT! This isn't getting you closer to moving on and actually making the space and time in your life to find a man who TRULY loves you and wants to have a real relationship with you. It just keeps you dangerously STUCK in a place where your self-esteem and confidence actually wither each time you talk, text, sleep with or daydream about your ex-boyfriend. And you won't believe how long you can actually stay in that place - always hoping, but never really getting what you want. So cut all ties, if at all possible. MISTAKE TO AVOID #2: THINKING YOU'RE A FAILURE AT LOVE OR SOMEHOW UN-LOVABLE How many times have you wondered if the reason you can't find a good man who wants to have a real, devoted and honest relationship with you is because they're something wrong with YOU? You wonder if you're just a FAILURE at love, or if maybe you're not attractive enough or if maybe you're undesirable. It's just not true! Break-ups are simply a part of your life's journey. It's a way for you to learn what you need to learn about WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU NEED in order to be happy. Show me a woman who's never broken up with a man in her life and I'll show you a miserable pushover or a weirdo hermit. Ok, I'm sure it's possible...maybe the Queen of England or some woman in an arranged marriage never broke up with a man in her life, but that doesn't mean that she's had an amazing and full LOVE LIFE. What do you think? Feeling like you're unlovable or a failure is a disservice to YOURSELF. It's creating patterns of thinking that make you even less confident and even MORE needy in the future. It's better to feel gratitude and even relief that you were shown a way of being in a relationship that just doesn't work for you. You'll know what kind of situation or man to watch out for next time. You'll know what you need to SAY and DO when you get into a relationship with a new man so this doesn't happen again. You'll learn to be a wiser, stronger woman who knows her boundaries and who knows what she will or won't tolerate. Now, without any painful or bad experiences in your love life, how would you ever know what REAL LOVE with a good man is? Right. You wouldn't. Moving on. MISTAKE TO AVOID #3: TRYING TO FAST-TRACK YOUR GRIEF OR STAYING STUCK TOO LONG Ok, tell me if you've ever done one of these three things after a break-up: 1. Get on an online dating site literally the SAME DAY your man breaks up with you and start the process of a brand new relationship as quickly as possible 2. Tell yourself you're never dating again, or you're not dating until you can somehow "fix yourself" and the things you think are wrong with you 3. Decide you don't have time for heartbreak and bad relationships anymore and you throw yourself into your work, family or friends and avoid dating altogether ??? If any of those sound familiar, it probably means that you're doing everything you can to AVOID feeling what you're feeling after a break-up. You're either trying to find a man quickly, in order to feel desired again...and therefore come off as "needy, desperate or clingy" when you date... Or, you're avoiding men altogether so you're not reminded of the man you really wanted and can no longer have. Therefore, you give off a vibe that says "stay away" or "I'm not interested." This ping-ponging between extremes actually PREVENTS you from meeting a man who can actually be the one guy who CAN be good for you and turn it all around for you. But hey, you may not care about that. You may feel like it's OK if you don't date or find Mr. Right for a long, long time. It's your choice. And you should be OK with that. But if you're NOT OK with being alone and single and feeling STUCK, then do yourself a favor and learn how to use the pain of your break-up to create a BETTER situation for yourself. On 4/2/09, Linet ojiambo wrote: > > > Talk about it - to all your friends who care to listen, Pray about it - God > heals even the most painful wounds, Laugh about it - there is always humour > even in the most distressful situation and finally, look for the positives > in this and internalize them - everything in life has a pro and con. > FORGIVE. Forgiveness is Key, it opens up a well of blessings which you would > have blocked with grudges. Dont forget to cry, it helps to clear your heart > and mind. > Ive been there done that. Now I can talk about bila feeling any pain. I have > forgiven the perpetrator and am happy, truly happy. Always look for your > happiness in the LORD, and you will find it. > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, william benson wrote: > >> From: william benson >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 1:12 AM >> pse repair your heart by >> praying hard but also look at the size of the glass you we >> serving him with.maybe ni ndogo mpaka anaenda kutafuta >> ingine kwa neighbour >> >> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, brenda wanjiku >> wrote: >> >> From: brenda wanjiku >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Healing a broken heart >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:28 AM >> >> How do cure a broken and hurting >> heart? >> How do you deal with it. Ever been devastated, how did >> you go about it? >> To my brothers, Kwani isnt possible to quest your >> thirst from one well!!!!!!!!! >> >> Regards >> Brenda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Betty Otieno To Sent by: bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com youngprofessional cc s_ke at googlegroups youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups. .com com Subject [YP_Ke] 88th Kenya Derby 5th April 02/04/2009 07:25 2009 PM Please respond to youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com Folks, lets meet at the races, the greatest event on the Horse Calendar. ----- Original Message ---- From: Duncan Obhai To: 'Duncan Obhai' Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: 88th Kenya Derby 5th April 2009 Dear All, Kindly find the attached information about the?Kenya Derby thats taking place on 5th April 2009 starting at 12:30pm Regards DUNCAN OBHAI (See attached file: 88th Kenya Derby runners.pdf) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <991123400904030357l379a02a4r7f83a2ee873f076d@mail.gmail.com> References: <382371.33175.qm@web27201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><991123400904030357l379a02a4r7f83a2ee873f076d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1439019342-1238757295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-951893361-@bxe1013.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Guys look at th bigger picture now that Zain is offering bankng services on th phone I think safcom have taken it a notch higher by entering into lending but just to test th waters they hav to start small just watch ths space thts IMHOm I cld be wrong though Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:57:58 To: Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: trigger happy police, think twice. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM, steve ogeda wrote: > > @washington, > > Let me put it in simpler language.The cap authorises the use but is it > called for in every case?And why the denial if the use was lawful? Let us > not justify even that which is blatant misuse of the said cap.Medicines when > abused do not cure but harm. > Well. Then give us how you'd have preferred the Police to deal with the student riots. The chapter authorises the use and in this particular case, it was called for. The Police "were called in to quell the riots". It's not like there students had engaged the university administration, with the Police standing by to see how the engagement went, then started the riots. The students were wrong here and that is the fact. I'd not like to indulge in theories and assumptions about other cases as they were, but only the case in question. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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We were told we are going to have reforms in the Judiciary kumbe they meant friendly judges will be sworn in secrecy na kazi itaendelea na Chief Justice Evans Gicheru. We disagree with many people while discussing national accord agenda items 1 ? 4 because according to us no agenda item from 1 ? 4 has been exhaustively been concluded. In the Rift Valley, we still have negative peace and a lot of IDPs are either in camps or transit camps. The Militia that was used to unleash mayhem is still there waiting to be activated. On agenda item 3 which was about sharing power, it can be observed that it?s still a hot potato to handle. What we only hear are tired arguments about real power not being shared. Having failed to steer this country forward by addressing these agenda items particularly agenda 4, our two principals have decided to spend tax payers meagre resources to go talk-shop at Kilaguni Lodge in Tsavo National Park. This is unacceptable because we cannot substitute parliament with Kilaguni. It has been observed that our President is a hostage of the PNU brigade while the Prime Minister is a prisoner of ODM brigade. The Vice President is suffering from KANU era hangovers. At this point, we should ask ourselves three questions: 1. Is our bus moving? 2. If not, why? 3. Should we disembark from the bus or get another driver? Because our journey must continue, we can?t disembark from the bus but through consensus, we must get another driver to take us to our desired destination. Due to aforementioned reasons, Bunge la Mwananchi Nakuru together with Bunge la Mwananchi networks of Rongai, Subukia, Kuresoi, Naivasha and Molo constituencies will on Monday the 6th April 2009 at Mount Sinai hotel Nakuru issue a comprehensive statement on alternative leadership derived from wananchi. You are all invited to the occasion dubbed OPERATION OKOA KENYA Which will give birth to SEREKALI YA MWANANCHI. Hapo vipi? Hapo sawa. Yours, servant of the people Joseph Omondi, Bunge la Mwananchi(Nakuru Mashinani) Simu: 0727410812 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I got the name >>> Wanjala due to the hunger season normally associated with this april >>> month,that night my great grand papa came calling and i was named >>> Shikanga,my papa is Terewa and thats my surname. Thanks dad for the >>> effort you put in all those run-ins and run-outs to get my mama and >>> construct me. Thanks mum for making this happen. Thanks my God for >>> taking good care of me all this time and enabling me see the begining >>> of my 27th year,i pray that you enable me see many more and live to >>> blow enough candles, Amen. FWST, Happy Birthday Day. >> >> >> Happy Birthday FT! >> May you live to see your 107th year. I am sure by that time you will >> feel >> so so tired counting years and take the journey back to where you came >> from. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> - Natalie Wood >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jbatec at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 07:24:35 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 04:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger Message-ID: <911822.8440.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and how each and everyone can digest or have stamina capable to digest and resolve issues.? Capacity of understanding multipurpose concerns depends on interest and acumen.? Not everyone is the same, people differ in ability and intelligence with interests. You may call that insane, thats fine, I cant blame you.? Take what you can manage and live the rest?for others.?Kenya is a wild wide concern. My IQ and yours as well as others cannot be the same and we dont have to agree on everything. It is healthy that way. The fact that we can see things differently and agree to disagree is a good thing.?If we differ in this one, no sweat, thats okay too. Remember 100% Intelligence Quotent is the limit for any normal human brain.? There are those at the?average of 100% while there are those with less and?equally those above 100% IQ and these people?are known as supper intelligent.? These are the multi-tasking brains.? In my opinion and?understanding, the likes of?your thinking, may call that insane.??In other words, problem solvers in Kenya?require Multipurpose for Multi-Tasking - and with that, only INSANE people are able?to find solutions to Kenya's failed Governance. That gives you room to save your opinion to please your ego and interest and leave others to jungle on so to break the cocoon circle of the few self-centred selfish lots.? Yes, we will and when we will be done, you are welcomed to join the club. ? I take no offense. Chemsha bongo. ? Good day and enjoy your weekend. ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 4/3/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:33 AM Judy, there is no need to feel overly insulted. The gist of the guy's argument was that your discourse was distorted (it still is). I for once was also very confused after seeing how a policeman's barton was all of a sudden related and adressed in the same breath as "..cut my husband's thing!". ? As for insanity, well, I agree with the Washington. Even the good book advises us to live one day at a time. While agreeing that the best solution to a problem is dealing with its root course, I'm also awake to the fact that lumping up everything just because you see a distant connection is the stuff insanity is made of. The struggle I may have trying to cut a hard part of the chicken I will perhaps eat for lunch today may be connected to some strange egg laid?somewhere some months back; but will I care about that?..dont think so.my problem will be current and I will squarely deal with it thus. Judy, you dont want to lay the egg, hatch the egg, brood the chick, slaughter the chicken, fry the same and serve it, now do you?thats the stuff insanity is made of. ? Anyhow, notwithstanding the use of live bullets, I supported the police using force.I dont really care that it was someone's daughter or son, their activities of the night were stupid. After all, Hitler was someone's son too, wasnt he? ? My take! ? Ed? ? On 4/2/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: Mr. Odhiambo, ? To deal with a mad man you too have to behave like one.? If Kenyan Leaders think they are unreachable or untouchable or unstopable, that stubbonly they continue to?lead?Kenya to the woods, I?will be in?the woods?and say what I think I need to say.? I have the right to speak my mind or voice and make noise as much as possible, sky is the limit, for those voiceless you think you can silence.?If you qualify me for insane, that too is not too bad, its part of the bumps on the road when you have to behave to confront madness in Kenya,?BUT the?good news is that Kenya will be salvaged and saved soon. ?Kenyan's system is a jungle, all you can see is mess everywhere - thats the outlook I am portraying and to provide solution you cannot go solving Kenyan problems one at a time - it wont work, it is jummed up.? It has to be logistically grouped for assessment, evaluation?and restructuring?while lumped together?to see magnitude of how messy the system of governance in Kenya has reached.? All must be put in one basket. It will take a rightful thinking minds on the wheel of reform to prioritize how to regroup in a multi-purpose lumped segment?arrangement?and to strategize the road forward reform agenda for Kenya without separating leaving behind any.? They will?concurrently? be put on surface for restructuring. All must be tackled at once because it is too late to do one at a time.??We will do it with a separation of discharge service. Yes it can be done and it will be done.? Just watch...... ? For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable.? Kenyan must get out of the woods.? That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to communicate to be heard of their grievances. ? To go by?your critics, I bet you are one of those policemen and I do not buy your argument, it does not hold any water.? Listen to Lucy Kibaki, for once she gave a thoughtful outlook of Police failed leadership. You sound very much like one of those Police officers?who fired live bullets on innocent students who are trying to communicate with no one listining to them.? You could possibly be one of?its agents. If you know about all these corruptions in Kenya, if you truely care, then do something about it instead of criticizing me - and thank you for your correction of word /ceased/g, ?I appreciate that.?About the CC. I want the world to know and be witnesses of whats going on in Kenya. ? Only in failed states do behaviours such like the Police in Kenya are practised.?? And so we condemn their acts together with all corruption elements in Kenya to stop immediately and with immediate effect.? The warning is clear and most effective. ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch this...........................in reference................... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjFlfL6Kbo ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNb7xYCaH0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5W5Ncq8yk ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_b95S0zEs ? LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM 11,855 views ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk ?v=2C_kPmBnJwkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk58 Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqvDZt0PnM ? ICC threatens to take over prosecutions 3,884 views --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: ? From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: jbatec at yahoo.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, wrote: ? Folks, ? Odhiambo?is totally and completely wrong.? ? 1. The police should not use live bullets on those with no ammunation, you only use live bullets on insurgents and armed gangs or armed terrorist and there is the Judicial body, how many have been convicted and jailed, rich and small? Odhiambo can you answer? Yes, please. My point is that you are not very much in touch with the situation Police find themselves in when called upon to quell student riots. You have always been on the other side. If you were to be in the Policemen's shoes, you'd understand what it really means. However, let me not dwell do much in that. The Penal code in Kenya allows the use of "reasonable force" in certain situations and IIRC, Arsonists fall into that category. In this particular case of reference, the students committed arson. You also need to ask yourself: How many policemen would it take to quell such a riotous mob by simply taking a megaphone and telling the students that "guys, no more riots. Go into your hostels!"? I'd say it's a waste of efforts. Policemen did right. Those who got injured got their wounds as a result of their own violent behavior. ? ? ? 2. Police must have discipline law and order streamlined by a functioning government, the Government of Kenya seized functioning a long time ago. In Kenya people are living in fear there is no law and order anymore in the country s/seized/ceased/g The Police Force is the law enforcement arm of the government, so the govt is functional. The fact that the current govt cannot implement any meaningful policies is understandable. They are in a catch22 and we all appreciate how we came into this situation. It does have nothing to do with the student riots issue that you were addressing initially. Stop being diversionary. ? ? 3. The riot was caused as a result of dysfunctioning system, no proper regulatory management in place, there are too many needs unmet and this cannot restore and improve advancement or growth.? There are no tougher regulations for both the management and the students Is the university administration the same thing as the government to you? Please come down from the diaspora and get things right. The students were rioting against a particular administration - an independent one. The govt is not involved in the running of the universities. ? ? 4. We have a failed Government, failed system, failed law and order, failed discipline, free for all lifestyle and the tough make it the weak die who care? is the idiology in Kenya today So what? What does it have to do with the student riots? ? ? 5. What Government system is Kenya going by?? The rich and powerful have their say, steal, loot, kill and marginalizes and silences the poor and no one should open mouth to speak against their action and that they must continue looting and stealing and killing in style? We know about all this, but I have asked you to stay focused on the main issue. You come out as one person who doesn't even know the direction you are taking. You want to take all issues, related or not and bundle them into one thing. Whom are you trying to please? We know about the corruption in Kenya. Everyone knows. We know how much the anti corruption chief is being paid for doing nothing. We know that there is corruption that some would rather not touch. This happens everywhere. Wait another day and attack KACC and Ringera with this, but for today, please focus on the student riots. ? [All your other crap snipped] You know what I think about you? Given the way you'd like to tackle all problems at one go and given the CCs (the recipients you have marked on this mail), I think you are approaching lunacy. Please learn to handle one thing at a time to maintain your sanity. ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Practical and proactive steps towards reconcilliation Owing to the bad political taste that the 2007/08 post-poll violence left in the mouth of Western Kenya electorate, it was unexpected that the President would set his feet in the region that soon.?Probably for purposes of prior preparation for 2012 transition of power and leadership, this may have been the most appropriate time time to make the first proactive and practical step towards reconcilliation; which has been the call of many since the misfortune befell our beautiful nation. What transition handlers do not know is that Kenyans even in the rural want someone fresh they have never heard of to be top leader. Therefore, knowing that Kibaki could piping for Uhuru or Raila,?one would wonder to what degree was this achieved! All the same, were there any hiden agenda? The future will tell....... ? Scoring by both legs For some players in this political match, they would score by both legs. Although the art of scoring by both?legs is rare of many players, in this case for some, political experience and influence makes it a common phinomenon like the sun rises and sets.?Using the left leg, they scored in terms of positioning themselves?for the 2012 general elections.?Ofcourse scoring by the right leg was obvious and by default, many were they who benefited from the opprtunity to come home? for the first time since the previous general elections. The presence of Mr.President was enough to scare away possible challenges from the public. They used Kibaki's visit to sneak themselves in and out of Busia so when asked they can always say I was just home the other day. Do our politicians undersatnd the meaning of representation? And there was the President's package of goodies that drove home the message of "fresh hope". As sure as the Lord is faithful, it was time for the present and nothing of the past was allowed room anywhere anyway! ? New Customs The opening of new custom at Mulwanda was a "clear sign of growing relations with our neighbour nation of Uganda". But for us as locals?was booster for local economy of Samia and neighbor areas?among other benefits. What we did not understand is why the commander in chief did not at least demand that Ugandans lower there flag from our soil. Now grapevine in the villages that Migingo is a gift to Museveni on his help after the general election. You should see how the locals argue fervently on that posititon. Eloquent speaker ask: Suppose Mulwanda and Migingo were two sides of the same coin, one would wonder how and why the new custum comes up at a time when the dispute over Migingo Island is not yet settled. Would it means that the relationship of these two countries suffers from selective amnezia? In the event that this is true, then the political wall of western Kenya has exhibited a crach, which if not fixed in time, one may be faced with the challenge of reconstructing the wall. Generally from our meetings people in the village here want to see that the President?solves the problem of Migingo?quickly. ? New Districts Consider the move of creating new Districts. This was by all means a gesture of bringing development close to the people. In as much as the creation of Butula District was expected, what a suprise it was to the residents that Nambale Constituency ended up with two Districts! What a luck!? The question confusing us in Busia is having a district equivalent to development? Is the stage?now set for the long?desired spliting of the same Constituency in two? Will this happen before 2012? While we are on the constituency, we attempted to hijack the MP for Nambale, Mr Okemo to ask him where he had taken Kshs. 7,6 million CDF money but his goons and body guard?could not let us any where near there. ? Landmark development.? The idea of a tarmac road running fro Mayoni down to Bunyala was received as a landmark development of all the contents of the package by the President. Perhaps because this will benefit every resident directly and without further followup. But there were other crucial aspects such as a Medical?University College at Alupe and the long awaited construction of?Busia Sugar Factory that was mentioned. As for this, mwananchi will only believe upon seeing the structure erected. Otherwise, many are the speeches in which it has been mentioned over years but nothing come afterwards. ? Charity begins at home. The role of various parties to the tour yieded varied speculations. Among the questions that were not answered?is the nature of relationship between the presidents visit and the 2012 politics. Similarly, how?is the upcoming KIkuyu-Kalenjin alliance related to the good will?visit as it appeared??Where is the place of the Luyha Community in all these? With particular interest is the fate of the Luo Community in this. Over and above all, are we going back to politics of ethnicity or building one Kenya? Definitely, the process of reconcilliation of the nation of Kenya has long way to go! Though many questions may not be answered, the people of Busia have got their mund made up on one opinion:?'Charity begins at home.' A leader who cannot deliver locally will not be given chance to repeat the mistake at national level. In the same way, a leader who divides the people locally cannot be mistaken for one who can bring about national cohension. This directly implies that one of the key players in the tour, who is suspected of using the opportunity for stretegizing for national politics come 2012 has to seek the blessing of the locals before going out. The message to every other participant is that the unity of Kenya begins locally to go national but not in reverse.?Gone were days for the same old tricks. ? Mwananchi?embarrases Kibaki ? President's visit did not go without challenges and what some luhya leaders refered to as embarrasment. Locals more so the young people had wanted to hear something about Kazi kwa vijana project and when the president did not mention plans for kazi kwa vijana for Busia people started shouting: wapi kazi? njaa! uuhh! unga bei gali sana! kwenda uko! there were also some screams of "uchaguzi" which was not very clear whether it refered to debate on stolen elections or call for fresh elections. The GSU did their job quickly to scare the people who were shouting. From our perspective as Bunge la Mwananchi in Busia, people wanted to hear something about unga for the poor ( the one that was to cost 52/-); they also wanted to hear some president like speech on Migingo; they also wanted to hear the president some issues of Mwananchi that were raised in Kofi Annan report. Rumor has it that Kofi Annan gave out a plan on how to reduce poverty in Kenya and it is just?president Kibaki who does not want to do it. ? That is our report from Busia- we are waiting to read from you people in Nairobi. ? Bunge la Mwananchi-?Busia continues bringing people together to talk about themselves, their community and their country.? ? Written by Mr. Wandera Maurice Bunge la Mwananchi -Busia 0728 327 675 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Message-ID: <868408.57849.qm@web38704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Even when one thinks that the Bible is very clear on certain, if not all issues,it has been twisted throughout the centuries to support ones upbringing, educational background, or school of thought! The danger has always been to use the Bible to support what usually is our distorted views than to help us understand God's clear message! It seems to me that all things considered, the Bible is perhaps the most misunderstood book by even those of us who claim to love Jesus as our personal Savior! Like the rich young ruler of Mathew 19:16-22, we seem to applaud/support or agree with the Bible as long as it supports our school of thought, but when one uses the same to show us where we might be wrong, some of us either result into cursing or throw a tantrum! Well, perhaps we should first answer this question! How did God,Jesus, and the Biblical writers see the Bible? -Exodus 32:18 tells us that the ten commandments were written with the finger of God -Mathew 5:19 tells us that Jesus said that He had not come to change anything but rather to fulfill that which written -Every time Jesus was asked a question, His answer was,"What does the Bible say? or How do you read the Scriptures! -In John 5:39, Jesus challenged all to search the scriptures -2 Timothy 3:16 reads, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness -2 Peter 1:21 tells us that,"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man;But Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But, did God hide anything from us? Is there enough information in the Bible for our salvation? Yes, indeed! Here is what the Bible says: Deuteronomy 29;29, tells us that "The secret things belong unto God." Amos 3:7 reads, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. John 20:30-31 reads,"Jesus did many miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and by believing you may have life in his name. The questions for you and I are these: -Do you believe the Bible as the sure word of God? -Why do you believe some portions of the scriptures and not all the Scriptures? You and I know very well that we will need prayer, humility, and faith do understand and appreciate the sure word of God! So what prevents you from praying or having humility and faith? Just wondering! Pr Birai From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 07:53:39 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 04:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] SCARE AND PANICK AS LAKE VICTORIA IS SUSPECTED TO BE LIKELY BIRDS FLU ENTRY POINT TO KENYA DUE TO MIGRATORY FOWLS FROM REGIONS HIT BY THE DISEASE Message-ID: <741207.63092.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> SCARE AND PANICK AS LAKE VICTORIA IS SUSPECTED TO BE LIKELY BIRDS FLU ENTRY POINT TO KENYA DUE TO MIGRATORY FOWLS FROM REGIONS HIT BY THE DISEASE Report by Leo Odera Omolo VETERINARY scientist and health experts seemed to have come to the conclusion that western Kenya could possibly be the entry point for bird flu in the country because of Lake Victoria attraction to migratory birds. Dr. Stephen Kiama, the associate dean of the faculty of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Nairobi said that migratory birds flock to the lake from areas where the disease had been reported was a cause for grave concern. The wild birds were a suspected source of the flu and where they congregate in large numbers, like Lake Victoria there is the risk that poultry might get infected and pass on the virus to human beings So far there is no place in the region, which has been positively identified with the fresh out break of the deadly disease in Western Kenya, though reports emerging from the neighbouring Southern Sudan indicated that the disease has been confirm by WHO health scientists. Dr Kiama said the region was also the most vulnerable as most of Kenyan?s neigbours do not have sufficient mechanisms to contain the virus. ?The recent outbreak of avian influenza in Sudan has left Kenyan vulnerable to the virus due to the parlous border with this country?. Dr Kiama said while giving a lecturer at the Maseno University. The highly contagious bird flu has killed 150 million chickens and more than 70 people around the world, mainly in South East Asia, in the past four year. Since the virus was detected in Sudan, health experts in Kenya have been on a campaign to sensitized poultry farmers on by security, surveillance and response strategies against influenza. Bio-Security entails teaching farmers how to maintain disease ? free forms and how to avoid its spread should there be an outbreak. Another healthy scientist Dr. Stephen Otieno Orot, the Nyanza province director of veterinary services said poultry farmer were also be enlighten on the various misconception most farmers had about bird flu. ?Some poultry farmers have made huge losses after conmen convinced to sell their poultry cheaply, claiming avian flu would wipe all of them out. But we are still steering farmers that the virus can be controlled if detected in time,? said Dr. Orot. He added that the virus could be contracted when people come into contact with the infected poultry, contrary to popular belief that it can only be caught be eating infected meat. Dr. Orot also explained that poultry farmers were being advised not to build chicken houses close to their dwelling houses. The outbreak, is said would be a big blow to the country robust poultry Industry Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From erastus_mongare at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 11:02:46 2009 From: erastus_mongare at yahoo.com (Erastus Mongare) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kenyans must demand action over Migingo--And preach peace In-Reply-To: <675708.35148.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <580248.53547.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Dear Odhiambo! Quite a passionate and timely appeal on the Migingo issue that Kenya has refused to deal with. Am just wondering if groups like the Law Society of Kenya with its experts in international law could help in one way or another. ? But knowing that the commander-in-chief (read, commander-in-sleep) and his cronies are not?doing?anything to solve the problem but just keep getting press time for saying so much that carries no weight. Kibaki and Odinga and those who are supposed to protect Kenya's interests should be reminded of the words from our national anthem "And our homeland of Kenya, Heritage of splendour, Firm may we stand to defend." Those words were not coined into the anthem for display, but rather to carry a serious message, and in this case, protect what is Kenya's. ? May be we are seeing a renewed border conflict similar to what we experienced in the 70s and 80s when former president, Daniel Moi, that "professor of politics" used to close the border in Ugandan side---it's 2009 and a reminder that Kenya and Uganda will always have this border issue every decade, so maybe this too shall pass, but why let it keep recurring? ? Odhiambo, you may be right that we need people power if the government that is supposed to protect her citizens is sleeping. But again, there might be sense in the words of former Tanzania president, Ali Hassan Mwinyi who said that, "The people of East Africa are one. We, leaders, come and go like a drop of water in the Nile. It goes and disappears into the Mediterranean but the Nile is here. Similarly, we the leaders come and go but the countries of East Africa and their people are here to stay." ? I concur---100 percent! Let the foolish politicians, both Kenya's and Uganda's continue wronging our people, but their time to leave too shall come. Let us preach peace and embrace our neighbors---if a war was to happen, it is the common people who will die and be affected. And let us pray for a true East African Community where borders will be a thing of the past, and the sooner that comes to be, the better for all of us. "The world is out of joint. O cursed spite That I was born to set it right." Hamlet. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: [Mwanyagetinge] Kenyans must demand action over Migingo To: "africa-oped" , AfricanWarriorTradition at yahoogroups.com, africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, "BBC" , "ccr" , "Citizen" , "cnn" , "Kenya Community" , "Kenya Community" , eastbureau at bbc.co.uk, editor at africanexecutive.com, editors at newsweek.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , kenva at yahoogroups.com, kenya-can at egroups.com, kenyacitizensassembly at yahoogroups.com, kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, "kol" , "KTN" , letters at eastandard.net, mailbox at nation.co.ke, mbonbani at yahoogroups.com, mediakenya at yahoo.co.uk, "mulembe" , mwananchi at egroups.com, mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, "Nation" , "Nation TV" , NewVisionKenya at yahoogroups.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "panafricanist" , pointb at eastandard.net, "progressiveminds" , regionalnews at ppa.or.ke, "Royal Media" , "siasa" , SOA at yahoogroups.com, "Alpha Sports" , "Standard" , "Sunday Standard" , "VOA" , "VOU" , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: GatherTheFires at yahoogroups.com, goldengrovenabaclis at yahoogroups.com, "Guardian" , happilynaturalday at yahoogroups.com, info at 4cskenyatuitakayo.org, info at icj-kenya.org, info at marskenya.org, "jaluo" , KACA at yahoogroups.com, keepingitrealafrica at yahoogroups.com, lsk at lsk.org, luo_forum at yahoo.co.uk, luv4self_network at yahoogroups.com, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Mail Mars Group" , "mwananchi" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "ARRF Newpath" , "Africare- NewPublications" , "News Desk" , newvisionkenya at egroups.com, "Abuja Nigeria" , Openyourthirdeye at yahoogroups.com, "p4c" , paddy at 4cskenyatuitakayo.org, politics at eastandard.net, "Publiceye" , publicwatchdog at eastandard.net, "HERU BENNU AMEN RA" , "Rt Hon Raila Odinga" , smaitawi at yahoogroups.com, SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com, Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com, transparency at tikenya.org, trueblackness at yahoogroups.com, "White House U.S.A." , "ugandacom" , "citizens against violence" , "youthagenda" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:38 AM Kenyans must demand action over Migingo???????????????????????????????? 2nd April 2009 The world must know that for the last eight months, Yoweri Museveni of Uganda has been levying taxes on Kenyans leaving at Migingo Island , an Island in Kenya , 15 Kilometres from Muhuru mainland of Kenya and 260 Kilometres from the nearest mainland in Uganda . This is an act of aggression. During all that time, the world famed ruthlessness of the Kenya Police against Kenyans and the brutality exhibited by the Kenya Army in Mt Elgon and Wagir against Kenyans has been conspicuously absent. The Kenya Police even took off from Migingo at the first sight of 2 armed Police Officers from Uganda . Yesterday, Migosi Raila Odinga was emphatic that Migingo belongs to Kenya and that the Ugandan flag that has been hoisted there for the last eight months must be lowered immediately. He went on to say that only 6% of Lake Victoria belongs to Kenya . As a partner in this government, I would have wanted to hear from him that all those Ugandans at Migingo have been arrested for being in Kenya illegally, and are been detained at Kodiaga Prisons awaiting to appear in Court. If 94% of the Lake belongs to Uganda and Tanzania , then, johana mane ma ooro Museveni mondo okaw Migingo Islands ? [What is this madness that has made Museveni invade Kenya ?] Why are we negotiating with Museveni? If the Army, the Police and the politicians can not reclaim Migingo, the people will, the people of Kenya must. We will stop all transit vehicles to Uganda , either through rail or road transport. We must stop all transit vehicles either by rail or road into Uganda with immediate effect. It is very simple; 1] The Kenya Police must immediately arrest all those people masquerading as Ugandan Police at Migingo. They are in Kenya illegally. Do not negotiate this. It is so sad when an invader shuts down our Minister in the presence of 2 Provincial Commissioners, the Police Commanders and the press. Why is the Police Commissioner being sent to Uganda to negotiate with the invaders? Why has he never been sent to negotiate with Kenyans in areas of conflict? They cannot fool us! 2] The Armed Forces of Kenya must cease being ornaments best used for passing out parades. They must defend the territorial space of Kenya . They must not negotiate with Museveni over any bit of an inch of Kenya . They must repulse those invaders with the full force that they can. Why move into Elgon and Wagalla with such might and force, and put your tails between your legs when your services are most needed? When Kenya has been invaded? 3] The Commander-in- Chief of the Armed Forces of Kenya must know that Kenya has been invaded. He must act to protect Kenya and Kenyans. We do not eat new Districts. We eat the fish that Museveni is now controlling at Migingo. For Gods sake, can those people who meet Kibaki daily tell him that Migingo has been invaded and has been under the firm grip of Museveni for the last 8 months? And that he is the Commander-in- Chief of the Kenya Armed Forces, as Mutula and Kalonzo likes reminding us. Unless he and they know something that we do not know. The Commander-in- Chief?s response to the Migingo crisis, now in its eighth month, leads most of us to confirm that there is a deal between him and Museveni. This deal is a fulfillment of favours earlier extended, or a deal expected in future. And that future is 2012. If we look at how Kibaki has bestrowed Kenya in the past 6 years, I am convinced that the president does not mean well for Kenya . If a part of Kenya can be invaded by a country like Uganda and he keeps silent, then his leadership is wanting. It is also not by surprise that the President has refused to visit that same part of Kenya for the entire period he has been President of Kenya. Museveni had invaded Rwanda and Kagame beat him so quickly and so ruthlessly that he cannot try again. He invaded DRC and again, Kagame came to the rescue of DRC and beat him there. He tried Tanzania and he knew the repercussions. He knows that Tanzanians will beat him and follow him to Kampala and topple him, the way they did with Idi Amin Dada. He tried South Sudan, and the rag tag army of the southern Sudan dared him. They were ready for him any time, day or night. He cannot dare Ethiopia . He knows that Menes Zenawi does not take those kinds of jokes lightly. He then turned to Kenya and invaded Migingo and for eight months, his flag has been high as he collects taxes from Kenyans. The fact that our trigger happy police force could fold their tail and take off speaks volumes. What is the rationale of unleashing too much force on students who are just rioting while you turn a blind eye to an invader? Where is the force needed? Against our own or against the invaders? I cannot believe that our normally ruthless police force could have left Migingo in fear of Museveni. There must have been an order to withdraw. I also do not believe that our ceremonial ornaments in the barracks are that cowardly. They invaded Mt Elgon and beat our own Saboat people ruthlessly. There must have been an order for non interference. If our Army can beat people senseless in Mount Elgon and in Wagir, what can stop them from beating these Ugandans from Migingo? Or, is it that our police and army are at their best against civilians, people who have no guns? People who cannot defend themselves? Surely, if the Police could cordon off Uhuru Park for a whole one month in January 2007, can they surely be so afraid of Museveni and his team at Migingo? If the Police could kill so many Kenyans just to ensure that Kibaki became our President, can they not kill these 2 Ugandans at Migingo? Can they surely be so afraid in Migingo? No. It is not the Police, it is not the Army. It is the Commander-in- Chief. If the President does not want to take action, Kenyans must now defend their territorial integrity. We did it before by uprooting the Railway line to Uganda . We did it before by stopping all transit vehicles through Busia and Malaba. If Uganda has invaded Kenya , and the Kenya Police and Army are under instructions not to intervene, Kenyans must take the law into their hands and protect our boundaries. It is a shame that a rag tag army in Somali can act so swiftly whenever there is territorial violations while an Independent Kenya , cries baby. It is sad to note that the President is doing nothing to promote peace, national healing and reconciliation in Kenya . He is refusing, for purposes of expediency, to be the symbol of national unity. It looks to me like Migongo is an advance post for 2012, and we must view it as such. Kenya must not loose any inch of land, more so to Yoweri Museveni. If the Army and the Police are under instructions not to defend us, let us defend ourselves. Sijivuni kuwa Mkenya! ? 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URL: From mauricekihato at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 06:26:13 2009 From: mauricekihato at yahoo.com (maurice kihato) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 03:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption In-Reply-To: <386690.82342.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <386690.82342.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <576411.87250.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> where did tribal issues arise from now? people like you martin should be extinct like the dinosaurs, if raila is clean He should walk out of the coalition and force kibaki to resign period. but coz birds of a fether flock tongether thats y he cant. so shut the hell up ________________________________ From: martin njalale To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 12:10:22 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of u from central keep quite. Mau Forest ..........Same scenario Airport....................Same> Tribal Bonding..........same Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from. Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in. It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases. If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about?our brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution.... am so sorry. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote: From: martin njalale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. ? The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of?????????????????????????? u from central keep quite. ? Mau Forest ..........Same scenario ? ? Airport....................Same ? ? Tribal Bonding..........same ? ? Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by???????????????????????????? by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there ? ? I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. ? So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Kenyans are dying from hunger and starvation, Kenyans are?dying from preventable diseases such as cholera, Kenyans are dying from unwarranted accidents?caused by pot-holed roads, Kenyans are dying from the consequences of hardcore poverty and from?assassins' bullets and trigger happy?police. The days?ahead do?look gloomy.?Our economy?is?nose-diving, our government is broke,?our President is moribund,?our Prime Minister is ineffective and?our parliamentarians are?a visionless lot.??Our?nation sits on quick sand. Our nation requires proper leadership urgently.?Yet grand coalition partners are not able to get their leadership act together- if?Kilaguni?turned "kisirani" is anything to go by. How many Kenyans should die before we act? Isn't there a way out of this mess?? ? George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi +254 720 451 235 ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 08:50:17 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 05:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Message-ID: <959679.89394.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Folks, ? When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery.? In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float,?although they faults here and there, the storm?at sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they steer awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like chameleons?? So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we will not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. ? To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... ? The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. ? Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a second chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? But now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ ? What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? ? Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and finish President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing the wind...........however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending.? You are haters........ You all need reform from within.........REPENT your sins.................stop pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints........you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? But Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history for?generation to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri........Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. ? We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King..........you like it or not........we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts........ ? Shame on you people.........although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven......... ? If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? ? Thanks, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote: From: john kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM God Help Kenya,, With people like you,? Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from.. Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in. It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases. If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about?our brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution..... am so sorry. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote: From: martin njalale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. ? The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of?????????????????????????? u from central keep quite. ? Mau Forest ..........Same scenario ? ? Airport....................Same ? ? Tribal Bonding..........same ? ? Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by???????????????????????????? by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there ? ? I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. ? So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordvickp at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 06:59:29 2009 From: lordvickp at yahoo.com (Lordvick Otieno) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 03:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Message-ID: <569193.62148.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bwana Kamau try to be sincere here. It's seems there's a deliberate attempt to lump up Raila's name together with Kibaki in every unpopular decision Kibaki makes, despit clear indication that Raila holds opposite views on the same. I could also see how many times you've mentioned Raila's name compared to Kibaki. Just tell me who ordered reapointment of Muhoho against the Board's wish though Makwere had cancelled the Old Airport tendering. Was it not Raila who blue the whistle and called for a clean up on KAA. How about the Judiciary, is it not Kibaki who now claims he has confidence in Gicheru despite LSK, PM and Karua's admission of rot in the Judiciary. Even the Justice Minister saying she read the new JUDGES APOINTMENT THROUGH THE PRESS. How about Migingo case where Ug forces are in control in Kenya's territory. Please do cease to underestimate the intelligence of Kenyans. It's been a repeated song and chorus of Kibaki and Raila blamed in everything together, but we now know the real problem. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > To: "young" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:18 PM > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > It is so disgusting to read in the > international media about the run away corruption in our > country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the > two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers > position was created through the strong support of the > International community after he was viewed as a strong > becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all > time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey > and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in his team. > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should > surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also > be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these > proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, > Generational theft: The international community should now > apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two > principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This > time to force them to give Kenya a new > Constitution... > It is then, and only then that Kenya will > start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all > other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years > and Kenya will be on the auction list.? > Look at the rate in which prime national assets are > being sold at give away prices to the Arab > world. > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From prcanb at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 08:22:23 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 05:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] the religion of my parents, part 1! Message-ID: <883198.27381.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My view of dealing with others is somewhat different! Well, this is what I believe: - Every person has a right to his or her own opinion. -Respect for every one irrespective of age, social status, religion, gender and educational background. -Every one has got a little something that can help me. I am therefore always willing to learn from anyone. -Don't believe in confrontation. I prefer to be a peace maker than a trouble maker. -There are times that silence is the best teacher. -Don't despise,condemn or look down on anyone. -Don't ever see myself as better than anyone. -We are all brothers and sisters, and that we can share information without being abusive, personal,and defensive -Should not force anyone to see things the way I see them In the next three or so write ups, I would like to reflect on the religion of my parents? Why? Because my father was at one time a seventh day Adventist believer and mum was born and bred a catholic. And so I would like to reflect on what they taught me and the importance of religion at our homes. Hope you will come with me as I share with you that which I have learned and re-learned in great humility! Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 10:01:23 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger - Rwanda style must be condemned Message-ID: <520090.40262.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Moses, ? The statement is not meant by any means to upset anyone, if you take it that way, I surely apologize.? By all intent it is for purposes of argument.? Kenya's situation calls for all sorts of insanity to bring about normality and sanity in the country.? Make noise like a mad man or woman if possible.? compromise your personality and be crazy about seeking for reform, change and transformation.? We must revolutionalize Kenya to be a better place to live in, now and in the future.? This is the will of God.? I use the word insane since it was named on me by Odhiambo Washington, which I take no offense.? This is because, happenings in Kenya have driven me to think beyond normal capacity of my thinking to find solution to Kenya. I will do everything possible to try to make sense to these senseless leaders.? I have to behave in many ways awkward for them to take notice so they can come back to their normal senses then we come to terms.? If they refuse, we will have no option but to use force in many ways?which will force them to understand what people are asking them to do.? We dont want corruption, too much corruption is causing unwarranted hate, enemity, killings yet we all belong to Kenya. ? In?simplicity what I mean is that the going ons in Kenya too much corruption and all that by leaders, for sure no one is happy about it.? The idea that Kenya has gone to the dogs is upsetting to all. Those who have looted and are still looting in a selfish manner, to be told that it is all stupidity chasing the wind, they wont believe you. The world's financial order is a global crash effect which Kenya or Africa (the third world for that matter) has not been left out. I believe everyone who want to make riches or money is thinking in the normal 100% order.? There are those who do not care to struggle for life, they take life easy they go?according to the dictates of the day, potea pata. There are those who go beyond 100% however difficult or opaque it may seem to look, they will go by faith believing in things not seen to achieve change or improve life for?all especially to those?for the future. For anyone to go above 100% normality is for sure an INSANE person, who may want to do things without any gain.? This INSANE word came from Odhiambo Washington which I did not dispute or take offense, because it is true,?if I have to go beyond 100% to tackle too many issues affecting a Nation at the same time,?I must be insane.? However, Kenyas many many problems overrides and overlaps in piles.....all as a result of failed leadership.? To solve such problems, you need capacity of malti-tasking person who is capable to do multi-purpose issues.? Bring all problems together to the surface, see them as a picture, then develop plan of action in grouping them for solutions.? The economy has crashed Globally, even for those Kenyans who banked in Swiss Banks for example, their money?is all frozen we are all starting over, rich and poor alike.? This world belongs to God.? We can ran but cannot hide.? Why do we sell our birth right to strangers?? We need a revolution in Kenya so we can get rid of backward thinking old fashion people. To squarely face these leaders in Kenya, one has to be insane, because it is beyond normal thinking, because they have refuse to reason. ? Consequently, what do one get or achieve from auctioning Kenya to foreigners, or to Somali Refugees for that matter?who have settled in the Country in Eastleigh Nairobi, just because a handful brother Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort, call them Kikuyu (not all Kikuyus ofcourse)? hate Jaluo - yet Jaluo who is a Countrymen brother??? In the instances you creates a monster that which will consume all of us and leave our wealth to foreigners, is this sensible?? We are destroying ourselves for lack of knowledge and jelousy and selfishness. ? Eclesiastic in the Bible says, life is chasing the wind, why not?be at peace together with each other, doing good and caring for each other, eat and be merry with each other since?we are all brothers and sisters belonging to Kenya. How would you want to see Kenya in the future?? Is corruption and graft or as ....................USA President Obama puts it in quote........ "In his inauguration speech on January 20, Obama sent out a warning that his administration would not tolerate tyrannical and corrupt regimes. The statement comes when President Kibaki and Raila are currently hosting a high profile meeting at Kilaguni Lodge to try and resolve problems facing the coalition government". ? In analysis, open your eyes and scrutinize -? Are these two?leaders serving the interest of the?country or serving their own interests? Do they have any business staying in power?? Who is more shrewed, who is with more control over the other and more of problematic between ODM and PNU groups??Who is a bully here? ?Who is unwilling to pursue reform amongst the two groups?? Who is more rigid to get their own way whether the people are happy or not, dying of hunger or jobless, is it the PNU or ODM?? Why were they elected? ? Watch this............. YouTube - Ghosts of Rwanda ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xON22c7pZ6c ? A history of the Rwandan genocide in which the Hutu Racial extremists the ... 4:38. Ghosts Of Rwanda (5/12) 30,940 views. assaultivebear. Added. 5:08 ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=xON22c7pZ6c - 102k - Cached .Play Video ? Do you think Kenya is far from what happened to the Rwanda people.? Does this signify love or hate? ? I love you dear and enjoy your weekend. ? Sincerely, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 4/3/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:33 AM True, everyone is entitled to opinion but could you please express yours as regards the issue? ? "...In other words, problem solvers in Kenya?require Multipurpose for Multi-Tasking - and with that, only INSANE people are able?to find solutions to Kenya's failed Governance..." ? What the $%^# is this about?I dont know if its the english I'm not getting or the unrelated issue thats mixing me up but one things is for sure, whatever it is, I'm beginning to think strongly that?such discourses?are being crafted by the author to deliberately upset some of us! ? I retire ? On 4/3/09, Judy Miriga wrote: Folks, ? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and how each and everyone can digest or have stamina capable to digest and resolve issues.? Capacity of understanding multipurpose concerns depends on interest and acumen.? Not everyone is the same, people differ in ability and intelligence with interests. You may call that insane, thats fine, I cant blame you.? Take what you can manage and live the rest?for others.?Kenya is a wild wide concern. My IQ and yours as well as others cannot be the same and we dont have to agree on everything. It is healthy that way. The fact that we can see things differently and agree to disagree is a good thing.?If we differ in this one, no sweat, thats okay too. Remember 100% Intelligence Quotent is the limit for any normal human brain.? There are those at the?average of 100% while there are those with less and?equally those above 100% IQ and these people?are known as supper intelligent.? These are the multi-tasking brains.? In my opinion and?understanding, the likes of?your thinking, may call that insane.??In other words, problem solvers in Kenya?require Multipurpose for Multi-Tasking - and with that, only INSANE people are able?to find solutions to Kenya's failed Governance. That gives you room to save your opinion to please your ego and interest and leave others to jungle on so to break the cocoon circle of the few self-centred selfish lots.? Yes, we will and when we will be done, you are welcomed to join the club. ? I take no offense. Chemsha bongo. ? Good day and enjoy your weekend. ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 4/3/09, ed moses wrote: ? From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:33 AM Judy, there is no need to feel overly insulted. The gist of the guy's argument was that your discourse was distorted (it still is). I for once was also very confused after seeing how a policeman's barton was all of a sudden related and adressed in the same breath as "..cut my husband's thing!". ? As for insanity, well, I agree with the Washington. Even the good book advises us to live one day at a time. While agreeing that the best solution to a problem is dealing with its root course, I'm also awake to the fact that lumping up everything just because you see a distant connection is the stuff insanity is made of. The struggle I may have trying to cut a hard part of the chicken I will perhaps eat for lunch today may be connected to some strange egg laid?somewhere some months back; but will I care about that?..dont think so.my problem will be current and I will squarely deal with it thus. Judy, you dont want to lay the egg, hatch the egg, brood the chick, slaughter the chicken, fry the same and serve it, now do you?thats the stuff insanity is made of. ? Anyhow, notwithstanding the use of live bullets, I supported the police using force.I dont really care that it was someone's daughter or son, their activities of the night were stupid. After all, Hitler was someone's son too, wasnt he? ? My take! ? Ed? ? On 4/2/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: Mr. Odhiambo, ? To deal with a mad man you too have to behave like one.? If Kenyan Leaders think they are unreachable or untouchable or unstopable, that stubbonly they continue to?lead?Kenya to the woods, I?will be in?the woods?and say what I think I need to say.? I have the right to speak my mind or voice and make noise as much as possible, sky is the limit, for those voiceless you think you can silence.?If you qualify me for insane, that too is not too bad, its part of the bumps on the road when you have to behave to confront madness in Kenya,?BUT the?good news is that Kenya will be salvaged and saved soon. ?Kenyan's system is a jungle, all you can see is mess everywhere - thats the outlook I am portraying and to provide solution you cannot go solving Kenyan problems one at a time - it wont work, it is jummed up.? It has to be logistically grouped for assessment, evaluation?and restructuring?while lumped together?to see magnitude of how messy the system of governance in Kenya has reached.? All must be put in one basket. It will take a rightful thinking minds on the wheel of reform to prioritize how to regroup in a multi-purpose lumped segment?arrangement?and to strategize the road forward reform agenda for Kenya without separating leaving behind any.? They will?concurrently? be put on surface for restructuring. All must be tackled at once because it is too late to do one at a time.??We will do it with a separation of discharge service. Yes it can be done and it will be done.? Just watch...... ? For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable.? Kenyan must get out of the woods.? That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to communicate to be heard of their grievances. ? To go by?your critics, I bet you are one of those policemen and I do not buy your argument, it does not hold any water.? Listen to Lucy Kibaki, for once she gave a thoughtful outlook of Police failed leadership. You sound very much like one of those Police officers?who fired live bullets on innocent students who are trying to communicate with no one listining to them.? You could possibly be one of?its agents. If you know about all these corruptions in Kenya, if you truely care, then do something about it instead of criticizing me - and thank you for your correction of word /ceased/g, ?I appreciate that.?About the CC. I want the world to know and be witnesses of whats going on in Kenya. ? Only in failed states do behaviours such like the Police in Kenya are practised.?? And so we condemn their acts together with all corruption elements in Kenya to stop immediately and with immediate effect.? The warning is clear and most effective. ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch this...........................in reference................... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjFlfL6Kbo ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNb7xYCaH0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5W5Ncq8yk ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_b95S0zEs ? LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM 11,855 views ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk ?v=2C_kPmBnJwkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk58 Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqvDZt0PnM ? ICC threatens to take over prosecutions 3,884 views --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: ? From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: jbatec at yahoo.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, wrote: ? Folks, ? Odhiambo?is totally and completely wrong.? ? 1. The police should not use live bullets on those with no ammunation, you only use live bullets on insurgents and armed gangs or armed terrorist and there is the Judicial body, how many have been convicted and jailed, rich and small? Odhiambo can you answer? Yes, please. My point is that you are not very much in touch with the situation Police find themselves in when called upon to quell student riots. You have always been on the other side. If you were to be in the Policemen's shoes, you'd understand what it really means. However, let me not dwell do much in that. The Penal code in Kenya allows the use of "reasonable force" in certain situations and IIRC, Arsonists fall into that category. In this particular case of reference, the students committed arson. You also need to ask yourself: How many policemen would it take to quell such a riotous mob by simply taking a megaphone and telling the students that "guys, no more riots. Go into your hostels!"? I'd say it's a waste of efforts. Policemen did right. Those who got injured got their wounds as a result of their own violent behavior. ? ? ? 2. Police must have discipline law and order streamlined by a functioning government, the Government of Kenya seized functioning a long time ago. In Kenya people are living in fear there is no law and order anymore in the country s/seized/ceased/g The Police Force is the law enforcement arm of the government, so the govt is functional. The fact that the current govt cannot implement any meaningful policies is understandable. They are in a catch22 and we all appreciate how we came into this situation. It does have nothing to do with the student riots issue that you were addressing initially. Stop being diversionary. ? ? 3. The riot was caused as a result of dysfunctioning system, no proper regulatory management in place, there are too many needs unmet and this cannot restore and improve advancement or growth.? There are no tougher regulations for both the management and the students Is the university administration the same thing as the government to you? Please come down from the diaspora and get things right. The students were rioting against a particular administration - an independent one. The govt is not involved in the running of the universities. ? ? 4. We have a failed Government, failed system, failed law and order, failed discipline, free for all lifestyle and the tough make it the weak die who care? is the idiology in Kenya today So what? What does it have to do with the student riots? ? ? 5. What Government system is Kenya going by?? The rich and powerful have their say, steal, loot, kill and marginalizes and silences the poor and no one should open mouth to speak against their action and that they must continue looting and stealing and killing in style? We know about all this, but I have asked you to stay focused on the main issue. You come out as one person who doesn't even know the direction you are taking. You want to take all issues, related or not and bundle them into one thing. Whom are you trying to please? We know about the corruption in Kenya. Everyone knows. We know how much the anti corruption chief is being paid for doing nothing. We know that there is corruption that some would rather not touch. This happens everywhere. Wait another day and attack KACC and Ringera with this, but for today, please focus on the student riots. ? [All your other crap snipped] You know what I think about you? Given the way you'd like to tackle all problems at one go and given the CCs (the recipients you have marked on this mail), I think you are approaching lunacy. 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URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 15:48:24 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] The religion of my parents, Part 2 Message-ID: <333512.91534.qm@web38706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be forever thankful to my parents for all that they did to raise us up! Although my father at one time was a very successful businessman, time came when like most of the people, we went through very hard times. In this situation, they did everything possible to help us realize our dream of going to school! At the time I became of age, I found out that my dad was a former Seventh day Adventist believer. As a matter of fact, he was the one who brought the Adventist message to our village. With time, he gave up his faith and married four wives. Furthermore, he started smoking cigarettes and drinking beer. The good news is that a few years before he passed, dad was re-baptized and died with the hope of seeing his Lord in the resurrection morning.Thank you Jesus! Even though dad was not a practicing SDA when we were growing up, he encouraged all his children to go to church and read the Bible daily! Mum was born and brought up a catholic. Like other women in the village, mum brew and sold alcohol. With time, I not only became an expert in brewing alcohol but drank a lot. I don't even recall how I became an Adventist. My sisters used to attend a nearby Adventist church. It's possible that I became an Adventist through their influence. Mum converted into SDA and has remained faithful even in her late 8o's! What I am today, is a result of that which I was taught by my parents! Indeed parents have got heavy responsibilities to train their children for God! So, how did I chose one religion of one over the other? That will be my next write up! Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 10:12:53 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] RAILA AND MUSEVENI IN EXCHANGE OF HARSH WORDS OVER THE DISPUTED MIGINGO FISHING ISLAND IN LAKE VICTORIA Message-ID: <261661.72565.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RAILA AND MUSEVENI IN EXCHANGE OF HARSH WORDS OVER THE DISPUTED MIGINGO FISHING ISLAND IN LAKE VICTORIA News Analysis by Leo Odera Omolo THE hope of having the dispute between Kenyan and Uganda over the small rock Migingo fishing island settled diplomatically seemed to fading much faster. And pundits in both KENYA AND Uganda were quick in suggesting that the disoute may take a new dimension, which would require a third party mediation effort for it to be resolved amicably. And on Thursday, while on a tour of Busia district, which close to the Kenya Uganda border the Prime minister Raila Odinga told the Ugandan government to respect the Kenya?s sovereignty and to keep off her territorial waters in Lake Victoria.. The PM cautioned Uganda on the very day that President Mwai Kibaki had dispatched the Police Commissioner Maj-General Hussei Ali to Kampala in concerted effort tyo find lasting solution to the dispute over the small rocky fishing Island in Lake Victoria. Raila was speaking at Nangina Girls High School in Busia district located right on the Kenya-Uganda border. He asked Uganda government to respect Kenyan borders and properties. He told the gathering which included several cabinet Ministers, MPs and local leaders that all East African maps of 1926, 1952 and 1964 placed the disputed Migingo Island within Kenya?s borders ?And even the constitution of Uganda says Migingo is in Kenya, and it is not right therefore for Ugandan authorities to provoke Kenyan over the issue,? said the PM. In the PM entourage to Western Province were cabinet Ministers Fred Gumo (Regional Development} Dr. Paul Otuoma (Fisheries) Franklin Bett (Roads.) Henry Kosgei (Industrialization)James Aggrey Orengo[Lands} Prof. Patrick Ayiecho Ouenych (Assistant Minister for Education) Mp Fred Odhiambo MP for Butula and top government officials. The Pm?s harsh comments of the contentious Migingo issue seemed to have been apparently provoked by comments attributed to the Ugandan Fisheries Minister Fred Mukisa earlier in the week in which the Minister had accused Kenya of sabotaging efforts to resolve Migingo dispute between the two countries.. Mukisa had clamed that Kenya?s Minister for Lands James Orengo had incited Kenya fishermen operating on the Island to pull down the Ugandan National Flag. Mukisa accused Kenya of violating the Uganda?s independence by demanding the removal of its (Uganda?s) flag from Lake Victoria Island., which to him was part parcel of Ugandan territorial waters. Last week a joint Ministerial delegation from Kenya and Uganda met in a stormy Island, but the high profile meeting ended in a chaotic note and close to fist punch-ups between Ugandan officials and Lands Minister James Orengo on claims that the Minister had incited the Kenyan fishermen while speaking in Dhjo-luo vernacular dialect. The accusation which the Minister promptly denied. Kenyas delegate was lead by Minister for Foreign Affairs Moses Wetangula. It included Fisheries Minister Dr Paul Otuoma, Lands Minister James Orengo and Internal Security Assistant Minister Joshua Orwa Ojode. The Uganda Ministerial team was lead by the Third Desputy Prime Minister and Minster for Internal Affairs Kirunda Kuvejinja, Sam Kutesa (Foreign Affairs) Asuma Kyinji (Lands) and Fred Mukisa (Fisheries). Ugandan Ministers were flown into Kisumu City in alight aircraft where the two groups boarded two Kenyan Army helicopters and flew over Lake Victoria landing in the shoreline town of Muhuru Bay, which is close to Kenya -Tanzania border from where the group boarded two speed boats provided by the Kenya Fisheries Department and Kenya revenue authority (KRA) and sailed to the Island. On that particular day the fishing boats in the Island never went out to fish I anticipation of good news The fishermen stayed but, with the hope that a solution to the ownership of the disputed island would be found. Hundreds of residents, comprising mainly Kenya fish folks and Uganda soldiers camouflaged in civilian clothes looking for the approaching speed boats at the horizon, hoping that the Ministers from Kenya and Uganda on arrival would tell them once and for all, who owns Migingo island. It was optimism that was already boiling into excitement. A drunkard Kenyan man went and demolished the makeshift building used as jail that the Uganda security men had built to detain law breaking residents of the Island.. It became a parent that Uganda flag, troops and fish that is what is now causing a diplomatic spat between the two countries, which are partner states in the East African Community. The last week meetings between the Kenyans and Ugandan team was a follow up and a second of such meetings within three weeks a clear signs of the gravity of the situation. Early last month, a Kenyan Ministerial delegation led by Foreign Minister Moses Wetangula visited Kampala and met their Ugandan counterparts in Monyonyo Hotel, Kampala in a futile efforts to resolve the issue The Kampala meeting came up with the resolutions that both countries allow the fishermen to continue conducting business as usually on the Island until the boundary was determined by experts. It was also agreed that Uganda withdraws the 48 troops deployed on the rocky Island patch above the Lake as nobody was interested in going into full scale convention war over this matter.. This appeared to have taken place, until the same soldiers started sneaking back to the disputed island, this time round in civilian clothes, a position which angered Kenyans. On the other hand what provoked Ugandan officials was the remarks by Kenyan Minister for Lands James Orengo who spoke in Dho-Luo vernacular dialect allegedly telling his people to bring down Ugandan national flag after the departure of the ministerial delegation from the Island. Orengo, however , promptly and categorically denied having incited Kenyans to pull down their {Ugandan} flag arguing that he was misquoted wrongly by the Ugandan Interpreter. Migingo Island dispute threatens the East African Community. Two weeks ago, president Yoweri Museveni said the row between his government and Kenya was a shame. ?If is shame to argue over a small territorial dispute. We should be fighting for the creation of one country called EAST AFRICA, said the Uganda leader while fielding question from journalists at state House Nakusero? He added, ?East African states have delayed to get integrated into one country and form one market and break trade barriers to spur development,? ?It is shame to over a small territorial dispute. We should be fighting for the creation of one country called?East Africa?, said Museveni while fielding questions from a team of loca and international journalists at Nakasero State Lodge near Kampala. He added, ? East African states have delayed to get integrated into one country and form one common market and break all the trade barriers to spur development.? But on Thursday Raila said Uganda and Tanzania owned 94 per cent of Lake Victoria while Kenya had only six per cent. ?Uganda rush to grab Migingo is like a rich man who sleeps in a bungalow going to take over a grass thatched house owned by a poor man,? Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 11:43:54 2009 From: kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com (Kenya Christian Fellowship,NJ) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] It's a New Season, It's a New Day - Sunday April 5th, 2009 Message-ID: <505367.26544.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bwana Asifiwe!! It's a new season, It's a new day! A fresh anointing is flowing our way! It's a season of power & prosperity! It's a new season and it's coming to you! Please join us this Sunday,?April 5th, at the First Presbyterian Church, 42 Broad Street in Elizabeth NJ for a life changing fellowship at 4:00pm promptly. (see directions below) This a NEW season for KCFANJ with positive changes. We anticipate God?s favor as we call on him and hear from him through his anointed servant. Kindly invite a friend. Your presence is an honor. ? Praise God, from Whom all blessings flow; Praise Him, all creatures here below; Praise Him above, ye heavenly host; Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. ? Gladly Serving, Dolly Ocholla Secretary KCFA NJ The Kenya Christian Fellowship in America (NJ chapter), is a non denominational fellowship that meets every first Sunday of the month @ 4:00- 6:00 p.m. in Elizabeth. Please call (848) 467-6522), visit www.kcfa.net or e-mail kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com for more information. ? ? ? ______________________________________________________________ ***DIRECTIONS TO FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 42 BROAD ST. 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After Linden , the next city is Elizabeth ? -Make a half U-Turn at Bayway Circle -Make a right before hitting the 1&9 after the U-Turn -Make a left turn at South Broad St -Pass through Elizabeth town until you see West Grand Street ( Landmark-if you cross the underpass you have gone too far) -Make a left on West Grand Street -Make a left on Union St -Make a left on West Jersey -Make a quick right on E-Town Street ( Landmark- County Parking lot on your left). -Make a left on Caldwell Pl -Make a quick right to the parking lot ? 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And to confirm and support this blueprint on industrial development, President Mwai Kibaki has created a specific Ministry, mainly to expedite and spearhead the establishment of more industries and at the same time to attract new potential investors. The President went a head and appointed one of his ablest Minister Henry Kosgei to this important docket. However, fears persist that this policy could remain a pipedream due to lack of incentives and flexible taxation system. The government and the current political class seemed to lack the practical ideas on how to achieve these goals of making the country become an industrial powerhouse in this region. Foreign and local potential investors seemed to have lost confidence in the government ability to lure more investors. Practically no sane investor would be willing to gamble his money by taking the risk of investing millions of shilling in a politically unstable country. The implementation of this industrial policy could turn out to be a toll order and unachievable within the foreseeable future due to a number of factors, though there is plenty of space and rooms for achieving this goal. The idea is a noble one. But it could easily be scuttle and fizzle out as well as betrayed by our political class. The evidence of this could be seen in the recent spate of of tribally and politically motivated strikes and protests against the existing manufacturing industries in the agricultural sub-sector of the economy. This is a clear manifesto , only portraying the existing policy on industrial development as being weak and need urgent modification so the declared goal could be realized within the shortest possible period of time. Our MPs in the current 10th Parliament need to be enlighten and sensitized so that they could positively making their contribution towards this goal. To be more specific and clear on this, I have in mind the well orchestrated and unwarranted utterances by some of our MPs coupled with uncalled for hostilities openly displayed towards the management of several existing manufacturing industries in the agricultural sector. A case in point is the on-going tribally and politically motivated strike by sugar cane farmers in Mumias who were recently incited by their MP Hon Ben Washiali to boycott the delivery of their raw cane to the Mumias Sugar Company. The move turned chaotic and was marred by what was close to violence. This is not because the company has become inefficient and non-performing as such, but simply because the company?s MD is targeted for tribal reasons. Munmias Sugar Company, which is located in Butere/Nunias district in Wester Province is arguably the best managed sugar producing facility in this country. But of late a group of MPs from the region have ganged up and mobilized the sugar cane farmers against the management of this privately owned industrial complex, and perhaps the best run facility. We have recently witnessed similar action against Muhoroni Sugar Company in Nyando district. But the boycott of cane delivery to this government owned factory immediately fizzled out due to lack of political patronage, as well as the political good will of the area MP Prof. Patrick Ayiecho Olueny, who is also an Assistant Minister for Education. The boycott in the Muhoroni Sugar Company cane growing zones was initiated by small time bush politicians with the support of a few former employees of the company. It was in protest against the government recent extension of the tenure of the two joint official receiver managers, Eng. Martin Owiti and Kipng?etich Bett. The short-lived boycott of cane delivery at Muhoroni did not last for long. But it succeeded in bringing up the ugly head of clannish politics in the area, which is pitting the indigenous Jo-Kano people against those they loosely regards as outsiders. Another bad example of killing the existing local manufacturing industries could be seen in view of the recent utterances by the MPs in the South Rift region. These legislator have gone solo and hell bent in gaining political mileage by way of making fire-spitting utterances and attack on the foreign owned multinational tea companies operating in Kericho, Bureti, Bomet and Sotik districts. What is so strange is the fact that the two MPs who are in the forefront championing the incessant attacks against the owners of the tea plantation and factories in the region, are the same people serving in the grand coalition government whose declared policy is to make Kenyan an industrial nation in the year 2032 The MPs in question are none, but the Road Minister Franklin Bett, who is the Mp for Buret and another cabinet member Hon Charles Ketter, MP for Belgut who is an Assistant Minister for Energy. At any given opportunity, the two have lost no chance of launching scathing criticism against James Finlays Tea and Flower Company, which is one of the largest tea producer in the region and the Unilever Corporation{formerly Brooke Bond Tea Company}. The two firms have a combined labour force of close to 40,000. The majority of their employees are the locals. And the tea industry plays a pivotal role in our national economy, and as such should be spared of the kind of attacks and unjustified criticism. Some of this legislators, I am informed, have had business connections with these firms in one way or the other, but after loosing out to their local competitors resorted to blackmailing the tea firms.. Finlays Tea and Company has recently initiated a multimillion shillings research project to include on its list of products, the Stavia sweetening plant, which when completed and fully implemented would definitely create more employment opportunities for Kenyans, and at the same time brings sigh of relief to thousands of Kenyans who are the victims of deadly diabetes disease.. Apart from the fact that our MPs are scaring away investors, we have also read malice and political naivety and mediocrity on the part of some of our legislators. The mischievous political gimmicks include the much highlighted planned motion of no confidence on our hard working and most reliable Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs Madame Martha Karua.. Martha Karua has recently come under heavy fire not she had had done anything wrong against Kenyans in discharging her ministerial responsibilities, but for simple reasons Her steadfastness, honesty., principles, firmness and for her total objections to political manipulations. At times, I am increasingly getting disturbed after reading the columns of our dailies, which are full of political mediocrity and intrigues. I am , indeed puzzled and wondered about the type of MPs sitting in the August House in the 10th Parliament. There is a clear evidence of poor leadership quality. May be some of our MPs have become apparently mesmerized with ill-gotten riches and wealthy after having lined their pockets with millions of shillings bribery earned out of the recent massive maize disappearance scandals. These legislators have made us ashamed in the eyes of the international community. Kenya, perhaps is the only country in this region with ?MPS for hire? And our long cherished and principles of quality leadership initiated by our founding fathers is fast waning out and gradually being replaced with the political class of ? Hecklers? If this trend is allow to continue unchecked, I am afraid Kenya may end up categorized in the list of many failed states in Africa. The time is therefore ripe for the likes of Ben Washuiali, Wakoli Bifuoli, Charles Keter, Bonny Khalwale, Isaac Ruto, and Alfred Odhiambo to be told in an equavacal language that industries cannot be established in the sky nor in the space, but requires pieces of land plots to be made available in any part of the country and therefore they should abandon their hostility to the sugar and tea industry and approach any local issues in a soberly manner which is devoid of excitement to violence. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 15:47:13 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] (no subject) Message-ID: <930740.73599.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be forever thankful to my parents for all that they did to raise us up! Although my father at one time was a very successful businessman, time came when like most of the people, we went through very hard times. In this situation, they did everything possible to help us realize our dream of going to school! At the time I became of age, I found out that my dad was a former Seventh day Adventist believer. As a matter of fact, he was the one who brought the Adventist message to our village. With time, he gave up his faith and married four wives. Furthermore, he started smoking cigarettes and drinking beer. The good news is that a few years before he passed, dad was re-baptized and died with the hope of seeing his Lord in the resurrection morning.Thank you Jesus! Even though dad was not a practicing SDA when we were growing up, he encouraged all his children to go to church and read the Bible daily! Mum was born and brought up a catholic. Like other women in the village, mum brew and sold alcohol. With time, I not only became an expert in brewing alcohol but drank a lot. I don't even recall how I became an Adventist. My sisters used to attend a nearby Adventist church. It's possible that I became an Adventist through their influence. Mum converted into SDA and has remained faithful even in her late 8o's! What I am today, is a result of that which I was taught by my parents! Indeed parents have got heavy responsibilities to train their children for God! So, how did I chose one religion of one over the other? That will be my next write up! Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com Sun Apr 5 18:19:38 2009 From: owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com (owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jambo] The DISH Vol. 12 No 14 Message-ID: <20090405221938.7B055176911@treet.ctinetworks.com> Dot's Information Service Hotline "Unbossed and unbought news and information you can use" Visit The DISH online at www.thedish.org Vol. 12 No 14...Dedicated to the Dialogue on Race... 04-05-09 ******************************************************** Table of Contents 1. Intuit's Vibe...Patriot Act (Good Morning America)..By Yohannes Sharriff 2. News You Use...Dying While Black 3. The Sky Fell on Chicken Little and Change is Dead!...By John Burl Smith 4. Kudos! Kudos!...Congratulations "Mr. P" 5. Politics Y2K9...Race and Waffles Warmed Over...By John Burl Smith 6. Venue for an Artist...Obama's Failure on International Human Rights and Racism (Excerpts)...By Vernellia Randall 7. Disgruntled ************************************************************ Intuit's Vibe Patriot Act (Good Morning America) By Yohannes Sharriff Good morning America! Between AIG, Octo-mom, Bernie Madoff and what Iraq cost I know we lost contact Wrapping up bailouts and stimulus package Dakota damaged by floodwaters While stock markets drown Brokers fall from the horrors of a drought But the ghetto is bound to find the balls to bounce The call of a devout hustler announces a poverty boycott Though slavery's a hard lock to pick like a coarse knot But of course not for naught despite how hard the knock A roll of the dice and a good job just might Squeeze lemonade out of sour lives. Corporate welfare approved but my grant gets denied Contradictions aside find my application with resume attached I'm right around the corner >From where the sheriff met his untimely demise Forget what you heard! Dissent is an exercise required to mold a pious patriot Listen, I know you're ripe with potential United States initially spells us But I'm feeling a divide I call you home, but hard to say it with pride I know you're on the wire I know you lied 3/5 of my constitution already compromised Relying on reality shows to justify Tying wings to second hand to see time fly Putting all mine behind bars like rhyme or nigga die The American dream like standing in line To get inside a building on fire Money by the hour so we burn it down til 5 Working overtime inside privatized prisons Designed for Blacks to fill ?em Physicians prescribing pills to conceal symptoms Invest (more) in a job than with your children! Yo! We gotta problem So pardon America but good morning Over education you endorsing law enforcement While my patience loitering on the verge of divorce Man Georgia on my mind Lke the way Ray made his organ cry Like what kind of heroine bands the hero for life Like so many black men before me I'm treated better overseas Than by police in my own streets The definition of Black star pondering Marcus Garvey Good morning America It seems our swagger's world renowned But where we are going when we walk it out Lady Liberty does the stanky leg with a smile All about arms and avarice Unemployment up like Lazarus But optimist say struggle just a catalyst For the proactive, so glad we could get together Good morning America My president is black what a change for the better But elders say be careful When there's rebel in the music They'll deny your humanity While cloning the influence Who this remarkable fresh off the easel Canary island to black Wall Street My people will not be forgotten Though history tries not to acknowledge the obvious There would be no District of Columbia Without us sharecropping cotton to college to Congress Something like the punch of Jack Johnson Or the inauguration of Barack Obama Astonishingly, we give so much to this country Yet the sons of liberty hung us from trees Good morning America Character's the problem Loaded revolvers can't solve it Whether falling in the trap or postal at the office We holding cause they lawless and wanting more (dollars) Can get it popping like a stripper named Hope (dropping) For d-boys making it rain Making what scholarship wishes intended to pay (Hope say) too young to die and death don't wait. And everyday pay on the bill So do what you will to make us work Cause the reality is Good morning America. News You Use Dying While Black Organized by Dr. Vernellia Randall, professor of law at the University of Dayton School of Law, the Webinar Dying While Black: Colorblind Policies and Eliminating the Slave Health Deficit will be held April 25, 2009 from 2:00 PM - 4:30 PM Eastern Standard Time. At almost every income level, indigenous black Americans are sicker than whites and dying at a significantly higher rate. This seminar will trace current indigenous black American health status to slavery. It will explain why a color-blind policy approach will be ineffective for eliminating the health deficit. Finally, the seminar will provide a comprehensive approach focused on improving social determinants of health. Reserve your Webinar seat now at: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/243926080. After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar. To participate in the Webinar, the system requirements for PC-based attendees are Windows? 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server or Vista. For Macintosh?-based attendees, the system required is Mac OS? X 10.4 (Tiger?) or newer version. Space is limited, so register today. For more information, contact Dr. Randall at randall at udayton.edu. The Sky Fell on Chicken Little and Change is Dead! By John Burl Smith The nation's fast-darkening circumstances define the essential dilemma of Barack Obama's presidency. His instinct is to govern by consensus, in the moderate middle ground of politics. Yet dire events are pushing the new president toward solutions more fundamental than those he had intended. The longer he resists taking more forceful action, the more likely it is that he will be overwhelmed by the gathering adversities..... William Greider During its first sixty days, the Obama Administration recited an unending litany of gloom and doom to prepare the nation for the drastic changes needed. Though well founded, these prognostications of change terrified Wall Street bulls and free market spendthrifts. Alarmed, they demanded rosier forecasts to persuade consumers to spend again. Accused of fear mongering for jawboning about the impending economic catastrophe, the President was decried as "Chicken Little." Bowing to masters on Wall Street, his rhetoric changed and dark clouds became sunny skies. Rather than seeing brighter prospects, maybe what really happened was the sky fell on "Chicken Little" and change is dead. Consequently, the status quo is back in power and only the "ghost of change" resides in the White House. With nationwide protest planned for April 11, 2009 by "A New Way Forward" which is demanding businesses like AIG, CitiGroup and others be allowed to fail, the foregoing scenario seems the consensus among progressives, like William Greider. Author and Correspondent for The Nation, Greider's well-aimed kernels of knowledge have missed President Obama's noggin. Greider says, "Three obstacles block Obama's path. First: his nearly $800 billion recovery package is... too small to produce a turnaround. Second, the financial system, despite the bailouts, is still dysfunctional. The government must nationalize and supervise banks like Citigroup, and liquidate those spiraling toward insolvency. Third is the global crisis: the US economy cannot return to normalcy unless the unbalanced world trading system, fueled by globalization, which has undermined US productive strength with trade deficits, is reformed." Supporters, including myself, are holding our breaths, hoping we are not witnessing the demise of change and the capitulation of the Obama White House to the status quo. Concerned that President Obama has become the face man for Wall Street bankers, protest seems the only option. Greider penned it this way, "Stimulus alone.. will not work, given the distorted economic system Obama inherited. Will he have the nerve to tackle these fundamentals and undertake deeper systemic reforms right away, rather than wait for recovery? Some orthodox assumptions about free trade and private finance he shares with his economic advisers will have to be abandoned." Although candidate and now President Obama touts change, unlike Chicken Little and the falling sky, he is quieter than a graveyard on the subject. Greider framed the subject this way, "The most complex barrier to recovery is globalization and its negative impact on the economy. Unlike other advanced nations, US companies get a free ride for relocating production abroad. The US has absorbed huge trade deficits, $5 trillion in capital debt as the buyer of last resort. The US keeps globalization going by supporting this grossly unbalanced trading system, while its economy steadily loses jobs and production to other nations." Congress should redefine the relationship and obligations of US multinationals to the US economy. A ceiling on US trade deficits is needed, also tax penalties and national economic policies that demand US multinationals keep production at home." The falling acorn that struck Chicken Little was real, but his reaction to it was irrational. Similarly, President Obama has brought in a litter of foxes to guard the chicken coop. They will not produce change! The slow death of change in the Obama White House began with the selection of Wall Street insiders Timothy Geithner, Treasury Secretary and Larry Summers, economic advisor, neither have records as change agents. According to Greider both, "ingratiated themselves with superiors on the way up and adjusted their economic thinking in ideological fashion like seasonal changes. They learned the bureaucratic skills needed for policy infighting--how to cut economists with opposing views out of the debate." For instance, the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, a Keynesian think tank, tried to drop their nut of knowledge on Obama economists. "It will be impossible for the US to apply a fiscal and monetary stimulus large enough to return output and unemployment to tolerable levels within the next two years, given the virtual collapse of bank lending, private spending, consumer incomes and demand without drastic changes in economic thinking." So now, Pres. Obama resides in an echo chamber, surrounded by arrogant brainy technocrats wearing hard hats. Prisoner of group-think, tone deaf to the demand for change and without empathy for the human needs of the people they have been chosen to serve, the sky has fallen on "Chicken Little" and change is dead! Kudos! Kudos! Congratulations "Mr. P" In the November 16, 2008 issue of The DISH (Vol. 11 No 46) I wrote a Bit of History on Dr. William J. "Bill" Powell describing his courageous effort to fulfill his life's love to play golf and the dream of owning, designing, building and managing a golf course where anyone that wanted to learn and play the game could do so without restrictions. I also wrote an opinion piece, The Price of Fame that described the travails and racist conditions under which he accomplished his phenomenal feat. But more importantly in that piece, I sought to enlist the support of our loyal readers to help Renee Powell, Dr. Powell's daughter, in her effort to nominate Mr. "P" for the 2009 PGA Distinguished Service Award. Tuesday, March 31, 2009, the PGA announced that Dr. William J. (Bill) Powell of East Canton, Ohio, who overcame racial barriers to become the only African-American to design, build, own and operate a golf course while pioneering diversity in the game, has been named the recipient of the 2009 PGA Distinguished Service Award. Mr. Powell, 92, and a PGA Life Member, will be honored in conjunction with the 91st PGA Championship at Hazeltine National Golf Club in Chaska, Minnesota. The award presentation will be conducted August 12, 2009 in Minneapolis. The PGA Distinguished Service Award is the Association's highest annual honor. Kudos Mr. P! The DISH would like to thank all of its wonderful readers for their emails, letters and telephone calls in support of Dr. Powell and his family. Those who would like to read the notification letter and enjoy the feeling of being a part of something successful click on www.thedish.org/Powell. If you would like to send congratulatory words to Dr. Powell and his family email cv46 at aol.com or go to www.clearview-gc.com. Politics Y2K9 Race and Waffles Warmed Over by John Burl Smith Last week, during the Presidential news conference, America was served a very generous helping of something few ever want to see on the menu. The entree was served by ABC News Correspondent Ann Compton. "Could I ask you about race?" she set the table. "Yours is a rather historic presidency, and I'm just wondering whether, in any of the policy debates that you've had within the White House, if the issue of race has come up?" Obviously caught off guard by a question no one thought would be asked, the President forked a pat response, however the syrup dribbled down his chin. "I think that the last 64 days has [have] been dominated by me trying to figure how we're going to fix the economy. And that affects black, brown and white." The cold response chilled the syrup and butter waffling in his mouth. A tortured smile followed as he struggled to swallow the lump. Conversely, his effort was not palatable because I struggled to avoid throwing up also. A sickening sight, it reminded me of a scene from The Last Samurai, where the young Japanese Emperor Meiji struggled to justify rejecting Katsumoto's plea to halt his government's Westernization policies. Directed by Edward Zwick, The Last Samurai is a 2003 war drama about a battle between new and old forces vying to control the Emperor in the late 1800s. Mr. Omura (Masato Harada), a rich railroad industrialist, represents the merchant class. His political clout and economic power enabled him to gain control of the youthful Emperor (Shichinosuke Nakamura). Omura attempted to eradicate the Samurai in order to usher in a Westernized trade-friendly government. The protagonist, Katsumoto (Ken Watanabe), a venerated Samurai and leader of this ancient cult of warriors, has dedicated his life to serving the emperor. Katsumoto views the so-called progress -- telegraphs and railroads-- pushed by Mr. Omura, as engulfing traditional Japan and a threat to the values and codes that Samurai live and die for. Katsumoto sees himself and the rebellion as serving the Emperor and a last ditch effort to free him from Omura's control. Mr. Omura hires US Army Colonel Bagley (Tony Goldwyn), who enlists the aide of Captain Nathan Algren (Tom Cruise) to train the Emperor's new Western-style Imperial Army. However, unknown to Algren, the enemy is another soldier like himself, who sees his way of life disintegrating. Algren, a Civil War veteran and Indian fighter, whose career has ended in disillusionment and sorrow, is adrift, haunted by his past and drowning in alcohol. Algren signs on to help Ormua but becomes an ally of Katsumoto while his captive and plays a pivotal role in the final battle against Omura's forces in which Katsumoto dies. After his death, Algren delivers Katsumoto's sword to the Emperor, as he prepares to sign a treaty giving the US an exclusive firearms deal. The Emperor understands the message and realizes he does not need to fear Omura and calls off the deal. He declares, "It is not in the best interests of Japan." Through Katsumoto's sacrifice, the Emperor, his former student, matures beyond the incompetent youth he was at the film's opening. Although, set in a different time and place, the youthful Emperor and President Barack Obama share a similar reality -- surrounded by advisors, whose greed and hunger for power drive their policy prescription. Their advice has served the President up like hot waffles dripping with syrup as Wall Streeters lick their chops. Like the youthful Emperor, he seems intimidated by the economic power brokers from Wall Street, like Mr. Omura, who have blinded him with glaze and rosy scenarios about bailouts and stimulus packages for culprits. Inured of the status quo, President Obama seems to be abandoning the middle class. Consequently those of us that elected him must now become Katsumotos and fight to wrench control of the change he promised America from the Omura's of this nation. They have blocked change for blacks in America beginning with the 3/5 Compromise, which remains a part of the US Constitution. Waffling on race is George Bush warmed over. Change seems only window dressing in a restaurant with black and white signs, so blacks must still enter via the backdoor. A community organizer turned politician, Barack Obama seems to have forgotten, in the case of black folks, things never get better on their own. Waffling on his answer to Ann Compton was the kind of racial dodge Bush gave. Anyone, whether black or white, who has read history, knows black people have unique problems related to their slave history and racism in the US. While it is true that if you help blacks whites are automatically helped ? i.e., affirmative action and white women -- however, history has shown helping whites ? the Bush tax cuts -- does not change the status of blacks. This is why the gaps in income, employment, healthcare, education etc., continue to exist. Mr. Obama should at least address the obvious truth about race when talking to the world (2 Corinthians 13: 7-10). The campaign is over, as the President, he should speak his mind, and not feed us warmed over waffles and syrup, unless that is all he is willing to give black people. Venue for an Artist Obama's Failure on International Human Rights and Racism (Excerpts) By Vernellia Randall "Race is a factor in this society. The legacy of Jim Crow and slavery has not gone away. It is not an accident that the African Americans experience high crime rates, are poor, and have less wealth. It is a direct result of our racial history. We have never fully come to grips with that history." President Barack Obama On 21 March 1960 at least 180 black Africans were injured (there are claims of as many as 300) and 69 killed when South African police opened fire on approximately 300 demonstrators, who were protesting against the pass laws, at the township of Sharpeville. The Sharpeville Massacre, as the event has become known, signaled the start of armed resistance in South Africa, and prompted worldwide condemnation of South Africa's Apartheid policies. March 21 marks the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination. Established by the United Nations in 1966, the day commemorates the anniversary of the Sharpville massacre. On this day, we must remind ourselves of our obligation to counter and ultimately defeat all vestiges of racism and xenophobia in all of their virulent forms: intentional and negligent. Modern day racism is not intentional or individual; it is an institutionalized system of oppression and exploitation that is reinforced by a complex and pervasive system of beliefs, policies, practices and laws. In the United States, we have eliminated slavery and legal apartheid (Jim Crow) and that is significant progress. But racism like water finds a way. Because it is hidden from the eyes of the every day person, racism of the 21st century, (institutional, structural and systemic) grows as virulent and as egregious as slavery and legal apartheid. Few people realize that in every area of life, except civic engagement, blacks are worst off than whites. Few people realize that it is not about class or poverty. That is, in also every area of American life there is a disparity between blacks and whites: poor blacks are worst off than poor whites and middle class black are worst off than middle class whites. It was my hope that Obama, as the first Black president, would make eliminating these obvious racial disparities an integrated priority of his administration. It was my hope that Obama would take a different approach than his all white predecessors. Unfortunately, Obama appears to have reaffirmed long-standing neglect of efforts to eliminate racism. After months of refusing to participate in the preliminary negotiations, the United States decided to take part in "planning" the Durban Review Conference for one week and then issued an ultimatum to the planning committee - "remove references to Israel, reparations or we walk." Many would like to make the references to Israel the primary problem - but a look at the United States history leads me to believe that it is the United States' desire not to address racism as an international human rights issue that motivates the Obama Administration's behavior. Case in point: For over 40 years, the United States has failed to be a leader on eliminating racism. The United States did not ratify the Treaty on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD) for 30 years (1994). When ratifying the treaty, the United States refused to broaden the human rights available to us and refused to allow us access to international tribunals to resolve issues of racial discrimination. The United States failed to issue the required reports under the treaty. It issued the first and second reports five years late; it has failed to issue reports 3, 4 or 5. The US has consistently failed to fulfill its responsibility under the treaty. In the last "concluding observations to the United States" (2008), the CERD committee noted 32 concerns and recommendations, several which were directed at the condition of African Americans. The CERD Committee was concerned about residential segregation, criminal justice, police brutality, felony disenfranchisement and Katrina displacement. Furthermore, the CERD committee asked the United States to report back in a year (2009) about several urgent concerns: racial profiling at the federal and state levels, life sentence without parole against persons under the age of eighteen, return of persons displaced by Hurricane Katrina and the organization of public awareness and education programmes on the Convention and its provisions. Importantly, Obama's decision not to participate in the Durban Review means that the first Black president will take the same action as his all white predecessors - refusal to engage and to be a leader in the elimination of racism. In particular, the United States has failed to fully participate in every world conference on racism, i.e., 1978, 1983 and 2001. Now the United States has decided not to participate in the Durban Review Conference to be held April 20-24, 2009 in Geneva, Switzerland. It is time for the United States to be a leader on eliminating racism in the world and that can only occur if the United States stays at the international human rights table including participating in the Durban Review Conference. We challenge President Obama to take immediate and significant steps to repair the damage and improve the civil rights and human rights landscape in the United States. About Me: Race, Racism and the Law - Speaking Truth to Power!! Dr. Vernellia Randall and others sent the above letter to Secretary Hillary Clinton and held a call for action on March 21 urging the Obama Administration to participate in the United Nations Conference on Eliminating Racism (Durban Review). For the letter in its entirety, click on http://academic.udayton.edu/race/00miscell/Newsletter/whatsnew.htm#Article_3. Disgruntled says: It is time ladies for us to put the kibosh on the sag, which has gotten ridiculous. Our young men are looking more foolish as the "style," if one can call it that, has degenerated from baggy attire, particularly loosely fitting trousers, to pants riding below the hips, indecently exposing underwear. Obviously stuck on stupid, our young men walk down neighborhood streets with wide-legged exaggerated swaggers; one hand ever ready to retrieve sagging garments. Desperately trying to look cool, they merely succeed in looking like fools participating in some weird contest to see who can master walking in the biggest pair of pants. Mothers, grandmothers, sisters, aunts and lovers, we must take the lead in rescuing our young brothers. It is past time we let them know that there is nothing sexy, handsome, charming or otherwise appealing about super sagging britches. Disgruntled feels: Unconvincing! Citing the election of President Barack Obama, Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue (R) has joined Texas and seven other states in filing an amicus brief in the case of Northeast Austin Municipal Utility District Number One v. Holder, which challenges the constitutionality of Section 5 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Southern states, such as Georgia and Texas, that have a history of violating the voting rights of black Americans, must seek court approval to implement changes affecting voting, including redistricting. These states would like to have this pre-clearance provision stuck down by the court. The most significant reason offered for seeking the change is insufficient and unconvincing. Simply put, the election of Barack Obama as the first black president does not mean the US is suddenly cleansed of racial discrimination. To the contrary, we must remain ever vigilant as the nation's racist past is very much a part of its present. Disgruntled wants to know: Elected in large measure as a result of an anti-Bush, anti-war protest, President Barack Obama has not provided the change those voters anticipated, particularly the anti-war faction. Based on his measured withdrawal from Iraq, the US will remain militarily engaged in that country for years to come. US and multinational oil concerns will guarantee that. On the Afghanistan front, the buzzword is escalation. We are being prepared to witness more casualties as our young men protect the gas pipeline and poppy fields of that country. In speaking about his ongoing "war on terror," President Barack Obama sounds just like George Bush; he even uses much of the same terminology and reasoning. Beyond skin color, what is the difference between Bush and Obama on the questions of war, drugs and oil? **************************************************** For comments, questions or to unsubscribe, email thedish at ga.net. ***************************************************** From betty.otieno at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:49:19 2009 From: betty.otieno at gmail.com (Betty Otieno) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:49:19 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption In-Reply-To: <240729.31034.qm@web50602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <240729.31034.qm@web50602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Reading through your article below, John Kamau concentrate on Kibaki and name the people he surrounds himself with. Let us name Raila and those he aligns himself with. Just count how many times you have named Raila in your article below yet you know who holds the reigns of power in Kenya!! Doublespeak sana! On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:18 AM, John Kamau wrote: > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away > corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at > the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > created through the strong support of the International community after he > was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak > leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord > William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila > is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya > from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational > theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake > hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the > endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 > more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in > which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab > world. > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joragem at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 02:24:57 2009 From: joragem at gmail.com (Joram Ragem) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 02:24:57 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Genocide Warning. Migingo is Kibaki's ploy. With Coalition Bonding failing, lets be on genocide watch even more. Message-ID: Let us not forget that we are still on genocide watch. -- Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 05:38:30 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kenyans must demand action over Migingo Message-ID: <675708.35148.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kenyans must demand action over Migingo???????????????????????????????? 2nd April 2009 The world must know that for the last eight months, Yoweri Museveni of Uganda has been levying taxes on Kenyans leaving at Migingo Island, an Island in Kenya, 15 Kilometres from Muhuru mainland of Kenya and 260 Kilometres from the nearest mainland in Uganda. This is an act of aggression. During all that time, the world famed ruthlessness of the Kenya Police against Kenyans and the brutality exhibited by the Kenya Army in Mt Elgon and Wagir against Kenyans has been conspicuously absent. The Kenya Police even took off from Migingo at the first sight of 2 armed Police Officers from Uganda. Yesterday, Migosi Raila Odinga was emphatic that Migingo belongs to Kenya and that the Ugandan flag that has been hoisted there for the last eight months must be lowered immediately. He went on to say that only 6% of Lake Victoria belongs to Kenya. As a partner in this government, I would have wanted to hear from him that all those Ugandans at Migingo have been arrested for being in Kenya illegally, and are been detained at Kodiaga Prisons awaiting to appear in Court. If 94% of the Lake belongs to Uganda and Tanzania, then, johana mane ma ooro Museveni mondo okaw Migingo Islands? [What is this madness that has made Museveni invade Kenya?] Why are we negotiating with Museveni? If the Army, the Police and the politicians can not reclaim Migingo, the people will, the people of Kenya must. We will stop all transit vehicles to Uganda, either through rail or road transport. We must stop all transit vehicles either by rail or road into Uganda with immediate effect. It is very simple; 1] The Kenya Police must immediately arrest all those people masquerading as Ugandan Police at Migingo. They are in Kenya illegally. Do not negotiate this. It is so sad when an invader shuts down our Minister in the presence of 2 Provincial Commissioners, the Police Commanders and the press. Why is the Police Commissioner being sent to Uganda to negotiate with the invaders? Why has he never been sent to negotiate with Kenyans in areas of conflict? They cannot fool us! 2] The Armed Forces of Kenya must cease being ornaments best used for passing out parades. They must defend the territorial space of Kenya. They must not negotiate with Museveni over any bit of an inch of Kenya. They must repulse those invaders with the full force that they can. Why move into Elgon and Wagalla with such might and force, and put your tails between your legs when your services are most needed? When Kenya has been invaded? 3] The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Kenya must know that Kenya has been invaded. He must act to protect Kenya and Kenyans. We do not eat new Districts. We eat the fish that Museveni is now controlling at Migingo. For Gods sake, can those people who meet Kibaki daily tell him that Migingo has been invaded and has been under the firm grip of Museveni for the last 8 months? And that he is the Commander-in-Chief of the Kenya Armed Forces, as Mutula and Kalonzo likes reminding us. Unless he and they know something that we do not know. The Commander-in-Chief?s response to the Migingo crisis, now in its eighth month, leads most of us to confirm that there is a deal between him and Museveni. This deal is a fulfillment of favours earlier extended, or a deal expected in future. And that future is 2012. If we look at how Kibaki has bestrowed Kenya in the past 6 years, I am convinced that the president does not mean well for Kenya. If a part of Kenya can be invaded by a country like Uganda and he keeps silent, then his leadership is wanting. It is also not by surprise that the President has refused to visit that same part of Kenya for the entire period he has been President of Kenya. Museveni had invaded Rwanda and Kagame beat him so quickly and so ruthlessly that he cannot try again. He invaded DRC and again, Kagame came to the rescue of DRC and beat him there. He tried Tanzania and he knew the repercussions. He knows that Tanzanians will beat him and follow him to Kampala and topple him, the way they did with Idi Amin Dada. He tried South Sudan, and the rag tag army of the southern Sudan dared him. They were ready for him any time, day or night. He cannot dare Ethiopia. He knows that Menes Zenawi does not take those kinds of jokes lightly. He then turned to Kenya and invaded Migingo and for eight months, his flag has been high as he collects taxes from Kenyans. The fact that our trigger happy police force could fold their tail and take off speaks volumes. What is the rationale of unleashing too much force on students who are just rioting while you turn a blind eye to an invader? Where is the force needed? Against our own or against the invaders? I cannot believe that our normally ruthless police force could have left Migingo in fear of Museveni. There must have been an order to withdraw. I also do not believe that our ceremonial ornaments in the barracks are that cowardly. They invaded Mt Elgon and beat our own Saboat people ruthlessly. There must have been an order for non interference. If our Army can beat people senseless in Mount Elgon and in Wagir, what can stop them from beating these Ugandans from Migingo? Or, is it that our police and army are at their best against civilians, people who have no guns? People who cannot defend themselves? Surely, if the Police could cordon off Uhuru Park for a whole one month in January 2007, can they surely be so afraid of Museveni and his team at Migingo? If the Police could kill so many Kenyans just to ensure that Kibaki became our President, can they not kill these 2 Ugandans at Migingo? Can they surely be so afraid in Migingo? No. It is not the Police, it is not the Army. It is the Commander-in-Chief. If the President does not want to take action, Kenyans must now defend their territorial integrity. We did it before by uprooting the Railway line to Uganda. We did it before by stopping all transit vehicles through Busia and Malaba. If Uganda has invaded Kenya, and the Kenya Police and Army are under instructions not to intervene, Kenyans must take the law into their hands and protect our boundaries. 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Otieno has even gone further to impute that I intended to mislead Kenyans, he has regretfully employed a language that we have reserved for the old school Kenyan politician by asking me to do this or that before i open my mouth. Please note that I, like most other Kenyans have dismissed Kibaki as a failure. I need not belabor this point but, he has not done one thing that i personally view as helpful to my fellow?Kenyans, note here that i have only gone short of claiming that Kibaki supports corruption, i trust that the court of public opinion has in more ways than one passed their judgment. Having said that may i state that the times for?either Kikuyu's, Luos, Kalenjins or any other community for that matter to blindly follow a person only because he hails from their tribe is long, long Gone. Raila may appear to have a huge following? but remember in 2002 Kibaki had a bigger one too, Kenyans have reached a stage where they judge a person for his own actions. Consequently remember the adage that to those whom much was given much was expected:. Kibaki has failed Kenyans but Raila has squandered the Good will of Kenyans, and time will tell.?? --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Andrew wrote: From: andrew Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:47 AM Mr. Kamau,? I wish you?read the accord that?was signed by Kibaki and Raila before you open your mouth.Raila is a reformist and Kibaki is not. You cannot stop corruption unless you reform our institutions. As per the accord, if you don't know?Kibaki has got all the?executive powers which Raila doesn't.You can see?how Kibaki is?recycling his old buddies back to government.Without the?real support from Kibaki,?Raila can do nothing.Lets not waste our time.Lets wait for radical reforms after 2012. Nice Weekend Andrew? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kamau To: young Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From dochwangi at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 13:47:28 2009 From: dochwangi at yahoo.com (David ochwangi) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Message-ID: <133509.89543.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is certainly plenty of blame to go around but it is insincere to posit that Raila would by default be a better alternative to Kibaki. I think it is a good thing we have had a chance to experience these two men at the top because as far as I am concerned, Raila belongs in the recycle bin no less than President Kibaki. In fact Raila's actions, I would argue, have caused more carnage and destruction than Kibaki's inaction. Words matter, words from leaders can?build or destroy; Raila's?words have been destructive in more ways than we care to count. And as for the genius?who thinks that Raila will replace Kibaki as president of Kenya by default, THINK AGAIN! It is wishful thinking and rightfully so but the Kenyan majority will have the final say, you can agitate all you want but with the kind of the corrupt incompetent ragtag war lord like Ruto, the "appellate judge" immigration minister Otieno Kajwang, "we'll settle them elsewhere" lands minister James Orengo,by his side, you have to be a complete moron to think Kenyan voters will discount it all and elect the man in whose name the country suffered so much, I don't know which kenya you think we live in but Kenyans are not fools you know. As for the president,?not much can be said because he brought all this on?the country,?his omissions and reluctance to act when most necessary?have?hurt the country; why else would?people starve and Ruto still remain?as Agriculture minister selling food to the Sudan??Isn't the president the appointing authority? The president suspended/fired Mwiraria, Kiraitu, Murungaru and Kimunya; what is so sacred about Ruto, Karua, Kajwang? We just need a clean break from these folks, period!? , --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Mohamed Jiwa wrote: From: Mohamed Jiwa Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:39 PM The point is that Kibaki's syndicate have him and us over the barrel.? Raila is insignificant, sadly, except that he is attempting to find a road and a way to follow some rule of law.? Kofi Annan appeared to point fingers at Wetangula and 16 others.? Even if you get rid of them another 18 will take over.? We have to find a new strategy. 2009/4/4 Lordvick Otieno Bwana Kamau try to be sincere here. It's seems there's a deliberate attempt to lump up Raila's name together with Kibaki in every unpopular decision Kibaki makes, despit clear indication that Raila holds opposite views on the same. I could also see how many times you've mentioned Raila's name compared to Kibaki. Just tell me who ordered reapointment of Muhoho against the Board's wish though Makwere had cancelled the Old Airport tendering. Was it not Raila who blue the whistle and called for a clean up on KAA. How about the Judiciary, is it not Kibaki who now claims he has confidence in Gicheru despite LSK, PM and Karua's admission of rot in the Judiciary. Even the Justice Minister saying she read the new JUDGES APOINTMENT THROUGH THE PRESS. How about Migingo case where Ug forces are in control in Kenya's territory. Please do cease to underestimate the intelligence of Kenyans. It's been a repeated song and chorus of Kibaki and Raila blamed in everything together, but we now know the real problem. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > To: "young" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:18 PM > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > It is so disgusting to read in the > international media about the run away corruption in our > country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the > two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers > position was created through the strong support of the > International community after he was viewed as a strong > becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all > time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey > and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in his team. > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should > surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also > be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these > proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, > Generational theft: The international community should now > apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two > principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This > time to force them to give Kenya a new > Constitution... > It is then, and only then that Kenya will > start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all > other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years > and Kenya will be on the auction list.? > Look at the rate in which prime national assets are > being sold at give away prices to the Arab > world. > > > > > > > > > -- G ?Mohamed Jiwa Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions. I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. I never teach my pupils. I only attempt to provide the conditions in which they can learn. I never think of the future - it comes soon enough. If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith. If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. 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We always hear ?the rules" from the female side. am sure you are very happy the male species Now here are the rules from the male side. These are our rules! Please note. These are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE! 1. Men are NOT mind readers. 1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down. 1. Sunday sports. It's like the full moon the changing of the tides. Let it be. 1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way. 1. Crying is blackmail. 1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it! 1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question. 1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for. 1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a Problem. See a doctor. 1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 Days. 1. If you won't dress like the Victoria?s Secret girls, don't Expect us to act like soap opera guys. 1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. 1 If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one 1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself. 1. Whenever possible, Please say whatever you have to say during commercials. 1. Christopher Columbus did NOT need directions and neither do we. 1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is. 1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. 1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," We will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle. 1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, Expect an answer you don't want to hear. 1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine... Really. 1 Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as football, the shotgun formation, or the girl next door. 1. You have enough clothes. 1. You have too many shoes. 1. I am in shape. Round IS a shape! 1. Thank you for reading this. Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight; But did you know men really don't mind that? It's like camping. ? -- Felix Otieno e-mail:-info at moderncityproperty.com Marketing Executive Modern City Property Marketing Cell:+254733471116 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From juliachumba2002 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 03:20:31 2009 From: juliachumba2002 at yahoo.com (juliachumba2002 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Message-ID: <955111.81220.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Kila mtu Kenya ni raia sasa hive.? Presidential elections were declared ?null and void.?? You have to be empowered to be President.? Mr Kibaki has no power(from God who?sets up Kings)?that is why he can't do much. The oil knows the right head and it cannot flow when the wrong head is in place. But Kenyans,do not give up hope a new day is coming!? And it might be just around the corner.?? The rear view mirror of a car is much smaller than the large front wind screen.? Though we have had a rotten past, let's use it to calculate our future moves.??The future is bright! --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: From: jbatec at yahoo.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption - Stop Pointing Fingers To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youth.anticorruption at yahoo.com, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, "Judy Miriga" , "john kamau" , "Mohamed Jiwa" , "barakaserv" Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:32 AM Folks, ? When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery.? In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float,?although they faults here and there, the storm?at sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they steer awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like chameleons?? So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we will not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. ? To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... ? The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. ? Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a second chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? But now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ ? What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? ? Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and finish President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing the wind...........however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending.? You are haters........ You all need reform from within.........REPENT your sins.................stop pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints........you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? But Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history for?generation to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri........Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. ? We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King..........you like it or not........we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts........ ? Shame on you people.........although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven......... ? If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? ? Thanks, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote: From: john kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM God Help Kenya,, With people like you,? Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from.. Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in. It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases. If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about?our brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution..... am so sorry. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote: From: martin njalale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. ? The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of?????????????????????????? u from central keep quite. ? Mau Forest ..........Same scenario ? ? Airport....................Same ? ? Tribal Bonding..........same ? ? Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by???????????????????????????? by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there ? ? I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. ? So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <181c75910904060034i34ad03ffw70f3022e179ec709@mail.gmail.com> YPS_Ke, I think the "Lipua Milioni" promotion by Safaricom is a rip off...instead of making entry gained through smsing to 555 by subscribers, it would have been better if every airtime loaded of say 100 qualifies for entry...... Who advised them this time round? What is the probability of winning in this raffle? Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <181c75910904052238g5d542ee3va1ed95bcea0dc46b@mail.gmail.com> The Law of Accumulation * By: Brian Tracy* The Law of Accumulation: how your financial fortune accumulates slowly over time and then becomes enormous, like a snowball. The Law of Accumulation: *Every great financial achievement is an accumulation of hundreds of small efforts and sacrifices that no one ever sees or appreciates*. Develop Discipline The achievement of financial independence will require a tremendous number of small efforts on your part. To begin the process of accumulation, you must be *disciplined* and *persistent*. You must keep at it for a long, long time. Initially, you will see very little change or difference but gradually, your efforts will begin to bear fruit. You will begin to pull ahead of your peers. Your finances will improve and your debts will disappear. Your bank account will grow and your whole life will improve. Build Up Momentum The first corollary of the Law of Accumulation says: "*As your savings accumulate, you develop a momentum that moves you more rapidly toward your financial goals*." It is hard to get started on a program of financial accumulation, but once you do get started, you find it easier and easier to keep at it. The "momentum principle" is one of the great success secrets. This principle says that it takes tremendous energy to overcome the initial inertia and resistance to financial accumulation and get started, but once started, it takes much less energy to keep moving. Start Slow, Finish Fast The second corollary of the Law of Accumulation says, "By the yard it's hard, but inch by inch, anything's a cinch." When you begin thinking about saving 10 or 20 percent of your earnings, you will immediately think of all kinds of reasons that it is not possible. You might be up to your neck in debt. You might be spending every single penny that you earn today just to keep afloat. If you do find yourself in this situation, instead of saving 10 percent, begin saving just 1 percent of your earnings in a special account, which you refuse to touch. Increase As You Go Along This small amount will begin to add up at a rate that will surprise you. As you become comfortable with saving 1 percent, increase your savings rate to 2 percent, then 3 percent, then 4 percent and 5 percent and so on. Within a year, you will find yourself getting out of debt and saving 10 percent, 15 percent and even 20 percent of your earnings without it really affecting your lifestyle. Action Exercises Here are two things you can do to apply this law immediately: First, decide upon your long-term financial goals and then resolve to work toward them one step at a time. The first steps are the hardest and you must discipline yourself to avoid backsliding into old habits. Second, practice the law of accumulation in other parts of your life as well. Resolve to master a subject one page at a time. Lose extra pounds one ounce at a time. Learn a language one lesson at a time. The cumulative effect can be enormous. Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Asante Bwana Musa ? --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Felix Otieno wrote: From: Felix Otieno Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Rules By Men 101 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 6:06 AM Wacha tu!Mose for president! On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Frank N. Mwaura wrote: You made my day. ? ? Frank Mwaura From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ed moses Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:37 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Rules By Men 101 ? Hehehe... ? At last, the guys' side of the story. (I must admit, it's pretty good.) We always hear ?the rules" from the female side. am sure you are very happy the male species Now here are the rules from the male side. These are our rules! Please note. These are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE! 1. Men are NOT mind readers. 1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down. 1. Sunday sports. It's like the full moon the changing of the tides. Let it be. 1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way. 1. Crying is blackmail. 1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it! 1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question. 1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for. 1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a Problem. See a doctor. 1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 Days. 1. If you won't dress like the Victoria?s Secret girls, don't Expect us to act like soap opera guys. 1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. 1 If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one 1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself. 1. Whenever possible, Please say whatever you have to say during commercials. 1. Christopher Columbus did NOT need directions and neither do we. 1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is. 1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that. 1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," We will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle. 1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, Expect an answer you don't want to hear. 1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine... Really. 1 Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as football, the shotgun formation, or the girl next door. 1. You have enough clothes. 1. You have too many shoes. 1. I am in shape. Round IS a shape! 1. Thank you for reading this. Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight; But did you know men really don't mind that? It's like camping. ? -- Felix Otieno e-mail:-info at moderncityproperty.com Marketing Executive Modern City Property Marketing Cell:+254733471116 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From vydski at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 00:08:32 2009 From: vydski at yahoo.com (Davey S) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger Message-ID: <420636.45942.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable-Yeah ndio asizae mwizi"mtoto wa njoka ni nyoka" si paka! .? Kenyan must get out of the woods.? That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to communicate to be heard of their grievances.U call him a poor boy u may not know wat he and the rest have done to poor ladies at night Just try and walk those sides from 8pm and see if the same thugs will listen to your grievances. --- On Thu, 4/2/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:33 PM Judy, there is no need to feel overly insulted. The gist of the guy's argument was that your discourse was distorted (it still is). I for once was also very confused after seeing how a policeman's barton was all of a sudden related and adressed in the same breath as "..cut my husband's thing!". ? As for insanity, well, I agree with the Washington. Even the good book advises us to live one day at a time. While agreeing that the best solution to a problem is dealing with its root course, I'm also awake to the fact that lumping up everything just because you see a distant connection is the stuff insanity is made of. The struggle I may have trying to cut a hard part of the chicken I will perhaps eat for lunch today may be connected to some strange egg laid?somewhere some months back; but will I care about that?..dont think so.my problem will be current and I will squarely deal with it thus. Judy, you dont want to lay the egg, hatch the egg, brood the chick, slaughter the chicken, fry the same and serve it, now do you?thats the stuff insanity is made of. ? Anyhow, notwithstanding the use of live bullets, I supported the police using force.I dont really care that it was someone's daughter or son, their activities of the night were stupid. After all, Hitler was someone's son too, wasnt he? ? My take! ? Ed? ? On 4/2/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: Mr. Odhiambo, ? To deal with a mad man you too have to behave like one.? If Kenyan Leaders think they are unreachable or untouchable or unstopable, that stubbonly they continue to?lead?Kenya to the woods, I?will be in?the woods?and say what I think I need to say.? I have the right to speak my mind or voice and make noise as much as possible, sky is the limit, for those voiceless you think you can silence.?If you qualify me for insane, that too is not too bad, its part of the bumps on the road when you have to behave to confront madness in Kenya,?BUT the?good news is that Kenya will be salvaged and saved soon. ?Kenyan's system is a jungle, all you can see is mess everywhere - thats the outlook I am portraying and to provide solution you cannot go solving Kenyan problems one at a time - it wont work, it is jummed up.? It has to be logistically grouped for assessment, evaluation?and restructuring?while lumped together?to see magnitude of how messy the system of governance in Kenya has reached.? All must be put in one basket. It will take a rightful thinking minds on the wheel of reform to prioritize how to regroup in a multi-purpose lumped segment?arrangement?and to strategize the road forward reform agenda for Kenya without separating leaving behind any.? They will?concurrently? be put on surface for restructuring. All must be tackled at once because it is too late to do one at a time.??We will do it with a separation of discharge service. Yes it can be done and it will be done.? Just watch...... ? For the Police to destroy someones and peoples organs with live bullet in the name of instilling order or sanity is unthinkable.? Kenyan must get out of the woods.? That poor boy will not function just because he was trying to communicate to be heard of their grievances. ? To go by?your critics, I bet you are one of those policemen and I do not buy your argument, it does not hold any water.? Listen to Lucy Kibaki, for once she gave a thoughtful outlook of Police failed leadership. You sound very much like one of those Police officers?who fired live bullets on innocent students who are trying to communicate with no one listining to them.? You could possibly be one of?its agents. If you know about all these corruptions in Kenya, if you truely care, then do something about it instead of criticizing me - and thank you for your correction of word /ceased/g, ?I appreciate that.?About the CC. I want the world to know and be witnesses of whats going on in Kenya. ? Only in failed states do behaviours such like the Police in Kenya are practised.?? And so we condemn their acts together with all corruption elements in Kenya to stop immediately and with immediate effect.? The warning is clear and most effective. ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch this...........................in reference................... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjFlfL6Kbo ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNb7xYCaH0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5W5Ncq8yk ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_b95S0zEs ? LUCY KIBAKI IS BACK 9PM 11,855 views ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk ?v=2C_kPmBnJwkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_kPmBnJwk58 Govt. cancells One Jet One concession deal ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqvDZt0PnM ? ICC threatens to take over prosecutions 3,884 views --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: ? From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Kenyan Police Happy Trigger To: jbatec at yahoo.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, wrote: ? Folks, ? Odhiambo?is totally and completely wrong.? ? 1. The police should not use live bullets on those with no ammunation, you only use live bullets on insurgents and armed gangs or armed terrorist and there is the Judicial body, how many have been convicted and jailed, rich and small? Odhiambo can you answer? Yes, please. My point is that you are not very much in touch with the situation Police find themselves in when called upon to quell student riots. You have always been on the other side. If you were to be in the Policemen's shoes, you'd understand what it really means. However, let me not dwell do much in that. The Penal code in Kenya allows the use of "reasonable force" in certain situations and IIRC, Arsonists fall into that category. In this particular case of reference, the students committed arson. You also need to ask yourself: How many policemen would it take to quell such a riotous mob by simply taking a megaphone and telling the students that "guys, no more riots. Go into your hostels!"? I'd say it's a waste of efforts. Policemen did right. Those who got injured got their wounds as a result of their own violent behavior. ? ? ? 2. Police must have discipline law and order streamlined by a functioning government, the Government of Kenya seized functioning a long time ago. In Kenya people are living in fear there is no law and order anymore in the country s/seized/ceased/g The Police Force is the law enforcement arm of the government, so the govt is functional. The fact that the current govt cannot implement any meaningful policies is understandable. They are in a catch22 and we all appreciate how we came into this situation. It does have nothing to do with the student riots issue that you were addressing initially. Stop being diversionary. ? ? 3. The riot was caused as a result of dysfunctioning system, no proper regulatory management in place, there are too many needs unmet and this cannot restore and improve advancement or growth.? There are no tougher regulations for both the management and the students Is the university administration the same thing as the government to you? Please come down from the diaspora and get things right. The students were rioting against a particular administration - an independent one. The govt is not involved in the running of the universities. ? ? 4. We have a failed Government, failed system, failed law and order, failed discipline, free for all lifestyle and the tough make it the weak die who care? is the idiology in Kenya today So what? What does it have to do with the student riots? ? ? 5. What Government system is Kenya going by?? The rich and powerful have their say, steal, loot, kill and marginalizes and silences the poor and no one should open mouth to speak against their action and that they must continue looting and stealing and killing in style? We know about all this, but I have asked you to stay focused on the main issue. You come out as one person who doesn't even know the direction you are taking. You want to take all issues, related or not and bundle them into one thing. Whom are you trying to please? We know about the corruption in Kenya. Everyone knows. We know how much the anti corruption chief is being paid for doing nothing. We know that there is corruption that some would rather not touch. This happens everywhere. Wait another day and attack KACC and Ringera with this, but for today, please focus on the student riots. ? [All your other crap snipped] You know what I think about you? Given the way you'd like to tackle all problems at one go and given the CCs (the recipients you have marked on this mail), I think you are approaching lunacy. 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I was personally challenged by this story......while am busy complaining about my work place and pay...which will always remain a thorny issue as long as am an employee.....someone somewhere is building his fortune from a business that gives 200/= a day! Will YPS and I wake up to start appreciating our lot in life and realize creating wealth is not a function of how much salary one earns or job you do! Just a challenge to us YPS, Regards Josiah Ogalo 0735 312 678/0752 853 256 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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He/she is supposed to liase with the insurance co. At no time under normal circumstances, when u use the services of a broker, you dont ever come in direct contact with the insurance company. ? My verdict; the broker let you down. Its high time you change. The hussle is even more complicated if you went directly to the insurance Co. choose a reputable broker. ? Kim. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk wrote: From: Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk Subject: [YP_Ke] RE: Insurance Companies & Brokers. To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 10:44 PM Speaking of insurance companies, I need to understand the relationship between the broker and the insurance company. ? The other day I took my car in to be fixed.? Kenya Orient is the insurance company concerned.? My workmate referred me to the insurance broker who I have dealt with for the last couple of years. ? I got the abstract, paid the excess of 10k and gave them two weeks to fix the car.? I called up the broker after the two weeks had elapsed and she advised me that the car was ready for collection. ? When I got to the garage, they had no idea that I was coming to collect the car and told me that the car hadn't even been re-assessed after repairs.? I called up the broker and asked her what the deal was.? Mind you this garage is in the middle of Industrial Area so it took me some time and effort to get there.? She feigned innocence and told me that she had been assured that the car was ready for collection.? So I asked her to sort it out and that I would be back within a week. ? Short of the story is, a month later, after much fuss and 3 visits to the garage (very understanding chaps I might add), I called up the company to complain and found one Brayan, who told me very rudely to deal with the broker as he had done his part and there was nothing further he could do for me. To me it meant I had paid my money and I have my insurance and therefore they had no use of me for another year. ? Doesn't the company ever take responsibility when something goes wrong? -----Original Message----- From: Florence Amukhale [mailto:amukhale at gmail.com] Sent: 01 April 2009 15:40 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Seeking an Insurance Broker/Policy Good afternoon all, Is there any yp who is or works for an insurance company? I am vetting insurance policies for various business risks and hopefully settle for a particular policy. Kindly email me directly if you work for a company offering insurance policies. Thanks. Best regards, Florence. *********************************************************************************** Join the debate on the London Summit at www.londonsummit.gov.uk Visit http://www.fco.gov.uk for British foreign policy news and travel advice and http://blogs.fco.gov.uk to read our blogs. 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URL: From chulielijah at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 14:25:15 2009 From: chulielijah at yahoo.com (ELIHAH WEHOBA) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Message-ID: <677467.98883.qm@web57202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> hey thumbs up Njalale tell these kikuyus the whole truth they love themsrlfs so much if things go the way they are going i think we are just going back to what happened last decembe and unfotunately ur friends from the central provnce do not see these coming i think its time some oof these kukuyus who still beleive that they are the only ones who can rule and do the right thin sorry to that batch because kibaki and his corrupt friends will pay i mean i know from down deep my heart they will pay and kibaki too coz many kenyans still bare the pain of the rigged election Mr kamua stop being a typical kikuyu learn from the december violence its time you people have to calm and unite with other communities coz very few people like any more --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 08:32:58 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 05:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Message-ID: <418493.45876.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery.? In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float,?although they faults here and there, the storm?at sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they steer awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like chameleons?? So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we will not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. ? To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... ? The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. ? Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a second chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? But now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ ? What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? ? Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and finish President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing the wind...........however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending.? You are haters........ You all need reform from within.........REPENT your sins.................stop pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints........you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? But Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history for?generation to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri........Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. ? We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King..........you like it or not........we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts........ ? Shame on you people.........although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven......... ? If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? ? Thanks, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote: From: john kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM God Help Kenya,, With people like you,? Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from.. Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in. It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases. If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about?our brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution..... am so sorry. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote: From: martin njalale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. ? The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of?????????????????????????? u from central keep quite. ? Mau Forest ..........Same scenario ? ? Airport....................Same ? ? Tribal Bonding..........same ? ? Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by???????????????????????????? by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there ? ? I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. ? So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From amukhale at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 09:21:59 2009 From: amukhale at gmail.com (Florence Amukhale) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:21:59 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: hi In-Reply-To: <82dec6650904060603t2faf1281i10e2f57dc332cc22@mail.gmail.com> References: <571168.73060.qm@web57516.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <915179.32192.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <991123400903300340n45708bc1j5b927bc588ea7f6@mail.gmail.com> <82dec6650904060603t2faf1281i10e2f57dc332cc22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521c5be50904060621m2fa436c3l26504774be8740a0@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What about Methodist Guest House in Lavington?Can you check out their rates? I am in another professional group and the MD is one of the members. We meet monthly and he does not charge us a single coin. Florence. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM, moderator youngprofessionals_ke < youngprofessionals.ke at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi YPs, > > We have been trying to look for another venue for our LYP meeting as > members requested in the emails below, but getting one has been a problem > since most of them cost 10K and above. > > The only alternative we have better than our current venue which is > Ambassador Hotel is Marble Arch Hotel. They have nice meeting facilities, > ample parking, good rates ? Ksh. 4500 which should be the minimum amount > members should spend on tea and snacks and then the room is free, *but we > are not sure whether you guys are ok with its location ("downtown"). > * > Kindly give your quick feedback on what you feel about the venue since we > need to make a decision where we will meet this week. > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Jeff Okello wrote: >> >>> Greetings Clan, >>> >>> Its been a while since i expressed my mind on the forum. I am a bit >>> confused in regards to message in question. I really don't know whether to >>> place it as lack of being close to one another within the LYP meetings or >>> place it under being open. >>> >>> However I on the same boat with what Frank has outlined, we need to have >>> bonding during our meetings that the only way they will have some passion >>> attached to them thus even attracting other people to come for them. >>> >>> I still belive this attainable, but lets not forget that we are still >>> young, and almost walking lets not rush things. >>> >>> As from the observation of the meeting i attended the meeting venue dint >>> seem to have the ambiance of bonding, thus we need to look for places that >>> have ample space were members could walk briskly discussion issues, I would >>> wish to propose the YMCA at University way, there all we need to do is buy >>> drink and snacks. I addition to this is it possible for the meetings to >>> placed either on sartday afternoons or even sundays, atleast members will >>> not have the rush to leave the venue. >>> >>> >> Jeff, >> >> I support your proposals as well. >> Kind of we are aliens who congregate on a Thursday, have their bi-weekly >> ritual and board their spaceships to the unknown! It's really important that >> we bond with each other and become like a "family" (or perhaps there is a >> better desc for this). >> I also support you on the need to change the venue. The current one is >> really not that conducive but was good enough for a start. If we can get one >> where we have a "meeting environment" at the cost of a snack or so then it'd >> definately better that one that we pay so much for. But we have to think out >> the cost: The total cost of the "snacks" for, say 20 attendees may as well >> exceed the cost of leasing (or is it hiring) a certain venue. So yes, venue >> change is good but members need to debate it. I support the "change" though. >> I however do not mind sharing the cost of any good venue with other members. >> As regards the meeting date, I seriously don't mind any timings that the >> members would agree to. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> - Natalie Wood >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Regards > YP_Ke Group Moderator > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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President Kibaki appointed five new High Court judges on Friday last week and promoted two others to the Court of Appeal. She said she was not aware of the President's move. As the minister in charge of Justice, Ms Karua expected to be consulted before new judges were appointed. "If my hands are tied and the Judiciary continues to be used as a place where people sacked from parastatals are recycled, the agenda is forestalled and all reforms are annihilated, then I better leave and fights for the rights of ordinary mwananchi," she said after the appointments. She becomes the first Kenyan minister to resign from the Grand Coalition Government. The Government, which brought together President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odiinga, was formed to help end post election violence following a disputed presidential election. The opposition Orange Democratic Movement said that its candidate, Raila Odinga, was denied victory through rigging and claimed it could not accept results of a stolen election. The violence that broke out left 1,133 people dead and a further 350,000 displaced. Ms Karua had accused the Judiciary of being lethargic and anti-reform and laid the blame on Chief Justice Evans Gicheru. She lashed out at the CJ accusing him of blocking judicial reforms in the country and called for his removal. However, President Kibaki has since expressed his confidence at the Chief Justice and dismissed a petition from the Law Society of Kenya calling for the CJ's ouster. From cirumariga2007 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 08:41:13 2009 From: cirumariga2007 at gmail.com (Maryann Wanjiru) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:41:13 +0100 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Matatu Strike Message-ID: <83dfb3440904060541u63f225a9m23fccf76652bd2eb@mail.gmail.com> anyone with the above information? is it true they will be on strike tommorow? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Never been ''politically'' confused like this before. i) The Annan Meeting last week with the serena team. ii) The Kilanguni talk colapse this weekend iii)The PM statement and show down iv) v) Is it all about 2012 or before and what should Kenyans do? Wooiiieee. I cry. Wams On 4/6/09, Dickens Odhiambo wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/557608/-/yexrmcz/-/index.html > Martha Karua, Kenya's Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister has > resigned from the Grand Coalition Government. > > "I will continue to participate in nation building as a Member of Parliament > and a leader," Ms Karua told a Press conference in Nairobi on Monday. > "I will now be able to totally disagree with anything that is anti-reform," > she said. > She made good her threat to quit only a day after declaring "enough is > enough" after attending a church service at the Anglican Church in Nairobi. > She has said that she decided to resign because of frustrations in > discharging her duties. > President Kibaki appointed five new High Court judges on Friday last week > and promoted two others to the Court of Appeal. She said she was not aware > of the President's move. > As the minister in charge of Justice, Ms Karua expected to be consulted > before new judges were appointed. > "If my hands are tied and the Judiciary continues to be used as a place > where people sacked from parastatals are recycled, the agenda is forestalled > and all reforms are annihilated, then I better leave and fights for the > rights of ordinary mwananchi," she said after the appointments. > She becomes the first Kenyan minister to resign from the Grand Coalition > Government. > The Government, which brought together President Kibaki and Prime Minister > Raila Odiinga, was formed to help end post election violence following a > disputed presidential election. > The opposition Orange Democratic Movement said that its candidate, Raila > Odinga, was denied victory through rigging and claimed it could not accept > results of a stolen election. > The violence that broke out left 1,133 people dead and a further 350,000 > displaced. > Ms Karua had accused the Judiciary of being lethargic and anti-reform and > laid the blame on Chief Justice Evans Gicheru. > She lashed out at the CJ accusing him of blocking judicial reforms in the > country and called for his removal. > However, President Kibaki has since expressed his confidence at the Chief > Justice and dismissed a petition from the Law Society of Kenya calling for > the CJ's ouster. > From naidamu at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 12:58:25 2009 From: naidamu at yahoo.com (john O) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [KOL] NEWS :-Kenya Justice minister Karua resigns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <773995.25067.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Good riddance!! It is painful enough having to put up with competence but even more painful when it is defended. Some hits from the past Karua 1 Karua 2 Otsiatso: --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dickens Odhiambo wrote: From: Dickens Odhiambo Subject: [KOL] NEWS :-Kenya Justice minister Karua resigns To: "'kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com'" , "'africa-oped at yahoogroups.com'" , "'An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange.'" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:53 AM http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ politics/ -/1064/557608/ -/yexrmcz/ -/index.html Martha Karua, Kenya's Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister has resigned from the Grand Coalition Government. "I will continue to participate in nation building as a Member of Parliament and a leader," Ms Karua told a Press conference in Nairobi on Monday. "I will now be able to totally disagree with anything that is anti-reform, " she said. She made good her threat to quit only a day after declaring "enough is enough" after attending a church service at the Anglican Church in Nairobi. She has said that she decided to resign because of frustrations in discharging her duties. President Kibaki appointed five new High Court judges on Friday last week and promoted two others to the Court of Appeal. She said she was not aware of the President's move. As the minister in charge of Justice, Ms Karua expected to be consulted before new judges were appointed. "If my hands are tied and the Judiciary continues to be used as a place where people sacked from parastatals are recycled, the agenda is forestalled and all reforms are annihilated, then I better leave and fights for the rights of ordinary mwananchi," she said after the appointments. She becomes the first Kenyan minister to resign from the Grand Coalition Government. The Government, which brought together President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odiinga, was formed to help end post election violence following a disputed presidential election. The opposition Orange Democratic Movement said that its candidate, Raila Odinga, was denied victory through rigging and claimed it could not accept results of a stolen election. The violence that broke out left 1,133 people dead and a further 350,000 displaced. Ms Karua had accused the Judiciary of being lethargic and anti-reform and laid the blame on Chief Justice Evans Gicheru. She lashed out at the CJ accusing him of blocking judicial reforms in the country and called for his removal. However, President Kibaki has since expressed his confidence at the Chief Justice and dismissed a petition from the Law Society of Kenya calling for the CJ's ouster. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages To Subscribe to kenyaonline, visit:??? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyaonline/join or send a message to kenyaonline-subscribe at yahoogroups.com You can also send a message for the following services: To Post a message: kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe:? kenyaonline-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com To The List owner:? kenyaonline-owner at yahoogroups.com URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyaonline For articles on Kenyan issues, check out our Library at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyaonline/files/ MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Karua resigns from Cabinet Updated 6 hr(s) 16 min(s) ago Related Stories Coalition speaking in tongues Cabinet is a house of confusion Raila moves to secure Rift Valley Annan?s secret that made Kibaki sign deal By Kipkirui K?Telwa Constitutional affairs Minister Martha Karua has resigned from the Cabinet. She becomes the first Cabinet minister to quit the grand coalition government. Her resignation, which occurred while President Kibaki is on a foreign trip, could further rock the coalition government that is smarting from last weekend collapsed talks between the two principal partners. Tendering her resignation on Monday afternoon, Karua hinted to the media that she chose to quit after realising that she could not execute her duties owing to frustrations from other quarters. The handling of reforms and the manner of appointment of judges by President Kibaki could have compelled the Gichugu MP to call quits. Karua came into the political limelight in 1992 multiparty elections, when she was elected MP for Gichugu on a Democratic Party ticket. The minister believes that her docket has been countermanded by the Office of the President, as she was shunted aside before new judges were picked and sworn-in at a ceremony at State House, Nairobi while she was on a foreign trip. "What does one expect when one?s mandate is recalled? I will take the next step as I cannot be just a spokesperson of Justice," sh e told The Standard on Sunday nigh. During the disputed 2007 presidential elections, Karua came out as a strong defender of President Kibaki?s re-election. And even as violence rocked the country on the evening of December 30, following Kibaki?s swearing in ceremony at State House lawn, Karua dared the disgruntled ODM party chiefs to go to court. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luo31 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:18:22 2009 From: luo31 at hotmail.com (barack abonyo) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:18:22 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET In-Reply-To: References: <290624.33984.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <991123400904060637y4e065d65wd8226de252bcb65a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Martha has to repent for the stealing election and violence that followed before people of virtue can start following her. She may redeem herself by vilifying Kibaki government. She must make Kibaki her primary target after which she will have to forcus on the person Kibaki annoints. Some of the things she can start doing is talking about how the election was stolen, grand corruption, weakness of the attoney general, the judiciary and the president himself. She has to start delinking herself from what happened and what is happenning. It is going to take a miracle for peace loving Kenyans to support Karua. Miracles happen though. Barack From: iscwn at hotmail.com To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:16:34 +0000 Martha Karua has shown dynamism and pragmatic as a leader in the recent past. She of cause made certain mistakes in the past, but she proved to be a quick learner by changing cause and acknowledging past mistakes including the stealing of 2007 elections. I have admired her determination recently to go for the top seat and her campaign against leadership ascendency by virtue of who your father is or was rather that your OWN ability and contribution the country. Her resignation as Justice Minister is BAD for Kenya's political development and maturity, and particularly at this time where her vigour, clear mind and commitment to Reform Agenda was mostly needed to help Kenya move out of the current political quagmire it finds itself in. The prospect of Uhuru-Kalonza or Saitoti axis is more frightening than we are currently capable to imagine. GOD BLESS KENYA AS WE PRAY Odus Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:37:26 +0300 Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Martha Quits- Don clap for nothing From: odhiambo at gmail.com To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, wrote: Hey guys, Kenyans are famous for clapping their hands for nothing. Think first before clapping your hands. Pay day is here. Change has began! Julia, I am taking a wait-and-see approach. I'd be quite delighted though if her departure engineers/catalyzes that change which we've been yearning for. How do you suppose "change has began"? Is she likely to be "real" now? Remember she told ODM to trust the courts and lodge their petition there? I'd like to see how she's gonna bring in the change, and I am praying the MK Mafia don't eliminate her before we get to feel the change! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain From bonfam2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 07:47:13 2009 From: bonfam2000 at yahoo.com (boniface mwangi) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 04:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Hail Martha Karua In-Reply-To: <83dfb3440904060426m57fadf3o4774fb971db5c90b@mail.gmail.com> References: <479560.72806.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <471c39ec0904060352k658ca04flecda2f5bc0ccd739@mail.gmail.com> <181c75910904060407j585a44b9g5fc85f90aaddd1d0@mail.gmail.com> <83dfb3440904060426m57fadf3o4774fb971db5c90b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <512455.53394.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let all Kenyans of goodwill stand united and push for constitutional reforms.? I congratulate Ms Wangari Martha for taking a bold step and pull out of this collapsing coalition that has no national develpment agenda. The current house comes out as a bunch of egoistic selfseekers. Come 2012 let all Kenyans everywhere unite and push these selfseeking MPs to political oblivion. But let us also pray that God will give us leaders after His own heart. We can send them home. Boniface ________________________________ From: Maryann Wanjiru To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 2:26:27 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Martha Karua resigns @ Josiah It is us kenyans to stand together and show those people we are in charge, what we need is change of system, we can keep changing indiviuals but that will not help, let us fight? for reforms, that is what will help this great countries. that way we wont see idiotic fellows like uhuru being given a ministry that he doesnt know a thing about........... aaaarrgh im extremely tired of kibaki On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM, josiah ogalo wrote: Regards Martha's resignation was forthcoming as it was evident that she could be dropped out when the reshuffle of cabinet was to be done... I congratulate her and dare the rest of the fellows who love reforms to follow her footsteps! Kibaki and Raila have failed to exercise their stake as senior principals of the coalition! I am sick and tired of this so called thing "coalition government".....i feel sick already! Who shall change Kenya? Regards Josiah Ogalo On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Maingi Njoroge wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/557608/-/yexrmcz/-/index.html On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Itubia wrote: FOR REAL ? ? ? ? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, vincent omanje wrote: Hey Guys, Form Cooperative House, Martha karua has resigned. The wars have just began -- ................?There is a point beyond which even justice becomes unjust.? . . -- Njoroge Maingi Business Development Manager Busytech Computer Systems Ltd Tel:+254 020 2385840 Mob: +254 721 866 854 www.busytechkenya.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed, the public especially those who belonged to the opposition questioned if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority. From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs While many were not convinced that ODM was given a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge? The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he? No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that prime minister becomes a toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa. My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to do something about it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it. The writting is on the wall. 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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, vincent omanje wrote: Hey Guys, Form Cooperative House, Martha karua has resigned. The wars have just began -- ................?There is a point beyond which even justice becomes unjust.? . . -- Njoroge Maingi Business Development Manager Busytech Computer Systems Ltd Tel:+254 020 2385840 Mob: +254 721 866 854 www.busytechkenya.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <181c75910904060635jf8f8ce7p2e6096836c306690@mail.gmail.com> References: <181c75910904060635jf8f8ce7p2e6096836c306690@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b1c74720904061152y1e2162d5ube0db10173b33791@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday when i was doing my rounds in my former estate courtesy of election violence, and by extension the "heroine" martha, obako and such others....someone remarked to me. That mtu mchoyo si ule anakula but ule anadhani mwenye anakula anakula chakula mob. If i may apply this with respect to this topic the bad person is not he or she who wants to read about the topic but it is surely the originator..... Indeed, let us all go back to work, there is nothing here...seeing that we are not even the cause of it... On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, josiah ogalo wrote: > YPS_Ke, > Now I know the kind of topics you like opening! > You can get back to work, there is nothing here....... > > Sorry for disappointing you! > > Regards > Josiah Ogalo > > NB. I get alerts for everyone who opens this e-mail.stop being curious. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are members in this forum who fit in both political divide and such views may enlicit strong emotions for those against your views esp. now that there are no facts of what happened. -- Daniel Nyutu Strategy Analyst Strategic Leadership Center International Horton Court, P.O. Box 3124-00100 Nairobi, Kenya. Tel: 3872252/ 3877637/ 2067622 Email: dnyutu at gmail.com Cell: 0728-200075 "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein (Attributed) US (German born) Physicist (1879-1955) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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There is no coalition government and as things stand you only need to know that according to the ruling mafia, Raila is already out! The question they are groping with is just how to do away with him totally? ? There are two scenarios! Ruto is likely to be offered the PM role should Raila attempt to pull out and as we all know, he will accept it as deputy leader of ODM becuase arrangements have been and are being made to soothe him and crwon him as head of Kalenjin leadership with fake goodies to make?him dump mainstream ODM for cooperation with PNU. The release of Kibor is just to prepare the way although we know that he should have been released long time ago. ? The other scenario is where Raila decides to stay put untill 2012 as PM as he has stated but has no say in government becuase all the instruments of power are going to be withdrawn given that ODM is already lameduck, thanks to the neophytes who entered parliament the other day. In this scenario Kibaki is going to crawl back to full presidential power and ignore the coalition law in total. Then he will start firing and hiring at will to appease the group I am talking about so that they can cause maximum damage to ODM. The appointment of judges was just to test the waters! Just watch what is going to happen.That is why I agree with you that Agwambo has boxed himself into a tight corner. ? The only sad thing is that this government does not stand for the interest of Kenyans including our Kikuyu brothers save for the children of homegaurds who have taken over from their fathers and will inevitably hand over power to their own children to the exclusion of the the rest of kenyans, including the true?children of?freedom fighters?who have nothing to show for the labour of their forefathers except being reffered to as poor, mungiki, touts etc. ? As for 2012, Raila and company must forget! APs and the provincial administration are already being prepared for rigging of the 2012 election! Just look at the procurement votes for these two departments of goevernment to understand what awaits those dreaming of 2012 and how this mafias operate! As for the military you just need to know what is happening with promotions there! The massacre that will take place in 2012 should kenyans attempt an uprising will dwarf any that has ever happened. ? That is why I submit that waiting for 2012 is not the answer! If Kenyans forced Moi to repael section 2A and introduce multiparty without a single MP in parliament supporting them, Kenyans can change everything with even a lameduck PM provided he is willing to take the gamble and provide leadership! After all in politics you must always take a risk! ? But come to think of it! If you can cheat death then you can also cheat your enemy atleast more than once! This is the puzzle that must be broken!! Otherwise Kenyans should forget ever removing these mafias, who feed on the blood of their own children, from power. ? Sebastian ? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, barack abonyo wrote: From: barack abonyo Subject: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite.org, editor at majimbokenya.com, editorial at eastandard.net, africa-oped at yahoogroups.com, "youngprofessionals" , progressiveminds at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:54 PM It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect?in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed,?the public especially those who belonged to the opposition?questioned?if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority.? From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. ? As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs ? While many were not convinced that ODM?was given?a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. ? My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge??The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he???No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. ? The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that?prime minister becomes a? toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages?here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa.. ? My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to?do something about?it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and?ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. ? Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! 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Best Regards Jackson --- On Sun, 4/5/09, ELIHAH WEHOBA wrote: From: ELIHAH WEHOBA Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 2:25 PM hey thumbs up Njalale tell these kikuyus the whole truth they love themsrlfs so much if things go the way they are going i think we are just going back to what happened last decembe and unfotunately ur friends from the central provnce do not see these coming i think its time some oof these kukuyus who still beleive that they are the only ones who can rule and do the right thin sorry to that batch because kibaki and his corrupt friends will pay i mean i know from down deep my heart they will pay and kibaki too coz many kenyans still bare the pain of the rigged election Mr kamua stop being a typical kikuyu learn from the december violence its time you people have to calm and unite with other communities coz very few people like any more --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From kioko at franktax.com Mon Apr 6 11:08:52 2009 From: kioko at franktax.com (Francis Kioko) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption In-Reply-To: <227941.22794.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <01fb01c9b50a$526ebfe0$3300a8c0@ANDREW> <227941.22794.qm@web50604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801c9b6c9$99416010$cbc42030$@com> Hi All, Andrew, Otieno, Kamau etc Wait a minute! I thought we were young professionals, I mean dotcom generation which is supposed to not only reform our thinking but also bring about the radical conversion desperately needed in our country Kenya. Why are we then all caught up in this stinging epidemic tribal disease that is silently killing our beloved nation. We lead the way so that others can follow our example, we have the obligation to change our minds and our lives forever. This is a great forum where we can encourage the likeminded, educate the young and young at heart and rescue those who are drowning in the sea of tribal bitterness. We cannot do this by confrontations for the sake of it or by taking tribal sides. The fact is if a leader screws up, we all suffer the same regardless of our origins so, what does it matter whether a president is from my tribe or your tribe after all he won?t pay our bills or get us out of poverty. All we need is an honest and fair president who is determined to lead our nation into greatness so that all can benefit equally. Let?s face it when coalition took over the dollar was exchanging at 60?s today is at 80?s and as much as we blame this on the global economic woes, we know our leaders have contributed a great deal to this decline. Poverty is on the increase, hakuna mahindi na sisi sote tunajua ukweli, hii ni maendeleo kweli? The truth is; Kibaki has failed the nation and Raila has failed those who elected him by under-delivering. This forum is one of the weapons we can use to bring about the highly needed change in our nation. Therefore for the sake of Kenya, the land of our love and pride, let?s review our minds set and reconsider the articles we write in this forum. Lets concentrate on those which positively impact people?s lives. Tribalism divides, causes bitterness and eventually kills. We shouldn?t be talking or seen to be promoting tribalism in any way under any circumstances whether directly or indirectly. Just a simple rule; if you think tribal, don?t write and if you must write ask us to pray for you to be delivered from tribal bondage. We need to forget the past, forgive one another for all tribal sins and move forward. USA has lead the way again by rising above race to elect the Kenyan son OBAMA. The question is can we rise above tribalism? The answer is yes but it got to start with me and then impact others by the way I reason out. CHANGE YOUR MIND, CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND YOUR NATION. Love u all. Kioko From: jambo-bounces at publiceyesite.org [mailto:jambo-bounces at publiceyesite.org] On Behalf Of John Kamau Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:45 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Andrew, Am so sorry that even you and our dear brother Otieno would choose to see only what is wrong in my statement even though we seem to agree in principal. Otieno has even gone further to impute that I intended to mislead Kenyans, he has regretfully employed a language that we have reserved for the old school Kenyan politician by asking me to do this or that before i open my mouth. Please note that I, like most other Kenyans have dismissed Kibaki as a failure. I need not belabor this point but, he has not done one thing that i personally view as helpful to my fellow Kenyans, note here that i have only gone short of claiming that Kibaki supports corruption, i trust that the court of public opinion has in more ways than one passed their judgment. Having said that may i state that the times for either Kikuyu's, Luos, Kalenjins or any other community for that matter to blindly follow a person only because he hails from their tribe is long, long Gone. Raila may appear to have a huge following but remember in 2002 Kibaki had a bigger one too, Kenyans have reached a stage where they judge a person for his own actions. Consequently remember the adage that to those whom much was given much was expected:. Kibaki has failed Kenyans but Raila has squandered the Good will of Kenyans, and time will tell. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Andrew wrote: From: andrew Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:47 AM Mr. Kamau, I wish you read the accord that was signed by Kibaki and Raila before you open your mouth.Raila is a reformist and Kibaki is not. You cannot stop corruption unless you reform our institutions. As per the accord, if you don't know Kibaki has got all the executive powers which Raila doesn't.You can see how Kibaki is recycling his old buddies back to government.Without the real support from Kibaki, Raila can do nothing.Lets not waste our time.Lets wait for radical reforms after 2012. Nice Weekend Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kamau To: young Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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On 4/6/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: Hi YPs, Some politics: Since our Prezzo, PM, VP and some politicians/bureaucrats went to Kilaguni, supposedly without an agenda and failed to do anything towards helping the cause of Kenyans, yet their "holiday" cost the tax payer about 20million, isn't it proper to surcharge each one of them so that this money is recovered? Now you all know that our politicians (you can point them out, starting with Kibaki) are not working for our interests but their personal ones. Kenya really has no hope unless we have fresh elections. Have a beautiful week, regardless. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. ?Naked people have little or no influence on society." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mark Twain --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From newsletter at kara.or.ke Mon Apr 6 09:13:13 2009 From: newsletter at kara.or.ke (The Kenya Alliance of Resident Associations (KARA)) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:13:13 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] The KARA Weekly Newsletter Issue No. 213, April 2009 Message-ID: No. 213: Editor's highlights the week: Welcome to your favourite, authoritative and the consistent KARA Weekly Newsletter. As always, we appreciate your valued feedback. The week begins with deep anxiety over the future of the grand coalition government as the (pro-reform, dependable and public-centered) justice, national cohesion and constitutional affairs minister Hon. Martha W. Karua quits her position. Only a month ago, she articulately and passionately presided over our 13th session of the Bi-monthly Talk Series - where she spoke about the coalition's government delivery. That the Kilaguni lodge weekend talks only drove a bigger wedge between the coalition partners is a matter of public knowledge and concern. We appeal to the two principals to do everything in their ability to keep the country together. On the local scene, KARA, Green Belt Movement and the Kenya Tourism Federation will this Thursday present a joint petition to the national environment management authority offices. Elsewhere, the first Nairobi mayor's quarterly "state of the city" address is set for launch on 20th April from 10 am. Please join our rallying call, help save Kenya's wetlands! Our appreciation to Dennis Pritt Road Residents Association; Friends of Mau Watershed Association (Fomawa); Loresho South Residents Association and Mr. James Gakunga for renewing his 2009 membership. We are glad you are reading us. Editor Environment: Stakeholders to petition to Nema Kara, Green Belt Movement and Kenya Tourism Federation will this Thursday (9th April) be presenting a joint petition to the national environment management authority offices. The groups want to see environmental governance issues addressed. Specifically, they will be keen to see be given an assurance by Nema that new gazette notice on protection of wetlands will be effected. Other matters include the need to restore public confidence in the environmental impact assessments process. The three partners have been on the forefront of the fight against uncontrolled developments and the need to reclaim wetlands. "The full text of the stakeholders' petition will be on the Kara website from Thursday morning. Kara and the other two valued partners will remain objective. We are doing this for the sake of our environment. We should not be misunderstood. We urge City Council of Nairobi and Nema to support our campaign. As the rain season starts, we are also encouraging Kenyans to plant at least one tree", said Kara treasurer Mr. Ephraim Kanake. Governance: Nairobi's "state of the city" address: City residents will on Monday, 20th April from 9.00 am, wake up to another first from their city fathers. City residents will have the opportunity of a quarterly performance of every department as well as make projections in the next three months. They will have an opportunity to ask the right questions to the right officers. They will use that information to keep their leadership more accountable. What is more? They will be part and parcel of priority agenda-setting. If you have questions to be addressed, please send them to info at kara.or.ke for onward submission to City Council. Climate change: Kenya's fears and inaction on its impact: An overwhelming 89% of Kenyans fear for an "extreme" impact of climate change on sustainable livelihoods. Only 5% rate it as "fairly" with a similar percentage saying the impact will be "moderate". The opinion poll result is response to a question appearing on the Kara website, for the last three weeks. "How seriously do you think climate change crisis will impact on Kenya's sustainable livelihoods?", reads the question. Despite setting up a unit within the prime minister's office to coordinate the fight against the imminent climate change, the parent ministry of environment and natural resources has been guarded about the bold interventions it needs to put in place to address the looming crisis. "Neighbourhood Kenya" - spotlight on Kacc's Ringera: Believe him or not, and in another exclusive, find out why the Kenya_Anti-Corruption_Commission boss Mr. Aaron Ringera exudes confidence about his success against corruption in Kenya. Find out about the great side of a man many would love to hate - without giving him a hearing. - only in the April/May "Neighbourhood Kenya"! 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URL: From iscwn at hotmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:16:34 2009 From: iscwn at hotmail.com (Joram Odus) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:16:34 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET In-Reply-To: <991123400904060637y4e065d65wd8226de252bcb65a@mail.gmail.com> References: <290624.33984.qm@web110302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <991123400904060637y4e065d65wd8226de252bcb65a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Martha Karua has shown dynamism and pragmatic as a leader in the recent past. She of cause made certain mistakes in the past, but she proved to be a quick learner by changing cause and acknowledging past mistakes including the stealing of 2007 elections. I have admired her determination recently to go for the top seat and her campaign against leadership ascendency by virtue of who your father is or was rather that your OWN ability and contribution the country. Her resignation as Justice Minister is BAD for Kenya's political development and maturity, and particularly at this time where her vigour, clear mind and commitment to Reform Agenda was mostly needed to help Kenya move out of the current political quagmire it finds itself in. The prospect of Uhuru-Kalonza or Saitoti axis is more frightening than we are currently capable to imagine. GOD BLESS KENYA AS WE PRAY Odus Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:37:26 +0300 Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Martha Quits- Don clap for nothing From: odhiambo at gmail.com To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, wrote: Hey guys, Kenyans are famous for clapping their hands for nothing. Think first before clapping your hands. Pay day is here. Change has began! Julia, I am taking a wait-and-see approach. I'd be quite delighted though if her departure engineers/catalyzes that change which we've been yearning for. How do you suppose "change has began"? Is she likely to be "real" now? Remember she told ODM to trust the courts and lodge their petition there? I'd like to see how she's gonna bring in the change, and I am praying the MK Mafia don't eliminate her before we get to feel the change! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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You can never tell for sure whether you'll catch a Red Herring, Kamongo, Odhadho, Mbuta, Nyamami, Obambo, Omena or Ngege. You could also reel home nothing. And so, ever since the stolen election, Project Karua was initiated. Many would not have imagined this outcome had they known of the plan before inception. I am glad to report that it has paid off. What we do not know is whether Iron Lady ,Martha Karua will indeed get the Cheif Executive position she is hell bent on. Here we may have woken up the giant and it is possible that we will lose control of her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaI3xQVE-A4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enation%2Eco%2Eke%2F&feature=player_embedded God's speed Martha. It is important however to brace for skirmishes, NO, calamity what with the constitutional crisis posed by the prevailing circumstances in Kenya at this time. -- Vladmir Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 15:36:40 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Fw: Kibaki and PNU is Driving Kenya to Civil War Message-ID: <955140.78828.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? These PNU?fellows hawana makende matatu, wana mbili tu, kama wanaume wengine.? Kwanini wana jisikia sukari wanajigamba kana kwamba serikali ni yao pekee, au ni jasho la?baba yao???Kama tunataka kuishi kwa amani na undugu, bora?tuhesimiane ndugu wapenze, tusiwe wachoyo, walafi na waubepari.? Hii sii ustarabu hata kidogo. ? PM Raila and ODM have the right and must?demand for?their due share of?50/50 in the excecuting of the Administration services of the Coalition Government and move with it. PM Raila needs respect from Kibaki and PNU domo domo like akina Muthaura, Makwere, Kalonzo Musyoka and Mutua must stop.??ODM must without being cowed conduct their affairs as is expected of them by Wanainchi, so dont give up ODM.??No one?has a right to?sit on them to dictate how they should conduct ODM matters if PNU fellows dont behave.? Government is not their personal property.? Let PM Raila?continue to speak with Wanainchi openely in public forums?so Wanainchi knows and understand whats going on in the Coalition Government so they can believe in him.? Kufa Kistaraabu?haifui dafu when dealing with hardcore bullheads.? So?Raila should continue?like he has started?giving?press conferences and Public Rallies and provide information and direction?what Kenyas should?know while condemning vices like those of Muhoho, Muthaura, Mutua?together with giving information about?Finance Dept. donor funding? disbursments with other conflicting issues which must be spoken out in the open so?the world?too knows.? You can only speak the truth and condemn corruption when?you are within the system, not when you quit or are out, it will be hard since life will continue for PNU folks?as usual.?Thats when they will cover-up more and do unthinkables. Keep going to the people and together with the people we will get rid of?these Mt. Kenya Mafia Nyangaus.? ?He must not cover the PNU misconducts any more, until the marriage will be officially determined terminated by the United Nations together with Kofi Annan who will urgently convene a special meeting with eminent persons to help?chart-out ways and means and with resolutions why Kibaki with those around him have decided to control the government in seclusion of ODM?avoiding other elected members of parliament, what are they hiding???PM?Raila?has nothing to fear.? The whole world is watching.? We want to know the truth?with all?hidden agenda about Kibaki's stubbornness and PNU fellows.?In future we dont want to hear walionewa, oh oh ilikuwa ilikuwa. ?We want to know why the Iran President upon visiting Kenya, he arrived with 200 people and when leaving left some behind, why Kenya's Public properties and assets are sold in sinister motives involving Libyan Government, why Atur Brothers still have connections and interests in Kenya, why during 2007 and 2008 Kibaki frequented visits and contacts to?Uganda to meet and discuss matters of high integrity with Yoweri Museveni,?? wether promisory sale of?Migingo was part of these visits and?discussions.? ? Sensing danger or loss through Hague?way or otherwise, PNU?strategy is to drive Kenya to Civil War with Mungiki including neighbouring millitia?armed gangs including Uganda and Somalia from North Eastern, and thats the reason for selling Migingo Island, as well as Kalonzo Mutua visits to North Eastern into Somalia?last year 2008.??Peace Accord is irrelevant if Kibaki is using police terror to silence citizens,?while misbehaving by?Auctioning Kenya. ? Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with Cartels have holed up all campaign money for re-election, awaiting their favourite candidate?whom they will?sponsor to preserve their interests, be it?the Youth or some Old Guards.? It is clear all to see, PM Raila is not accorded Administrative powers to lead in 50/50 sharing of the Government as agreed in the accord. ? Let us be fair.? The sing song of Coalition Government not working is PNU AGENDA. They want to cause derrailment, so they can remain and take it all.? They are looking for ways and means to get ODM frustrated so they quit.? We want to see 50/50 share before we begin hoolabaloo.? This will require FORCE, because PNU with their domo domo errand boys are Kibaki's padlock on PM Raila and ODM.? The Kenyans and the United Nations must?together?excert force, before more stricter measures are influenced for enforcement, wether PNU likes it or not. ? Security here is?therefore a global?concern (today a National public interest is a Global Concern) and it is important United Nations put a keen eye on Kenya.? The security personnel are also Kenyans and are human beings, they must not take order for the sake of taking orders, there are consequences.? They have to do what is right in the eyes of Kenya and?the?world or else they too face?charges of being arrainged to Hague. ? Yes, we know Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with Cartels have agents all over the world, we know the machination of confusing Kenyan Youths to look the otherside when Kenya is Auctioned was also hatched, we know that Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with cartels have plan B to take leadership through another channel, incase they are convicted and penalized from participating in election, we know they planned to kill all witnesses or genocide survivors to erase evidence, we know they have given Saitoti control of police silently to rule the country under police state, we know they are not commited to Reform, Reconcilliation and Rehabilitation.? We know they are not committed to the Grand Coalition Government and have devised methods to frustrate PM Raila and derail ODM team.??We know they do not appreciate and?have ungrateful agents to scandalize Kofi?Annan and that they do not honor the Coalition agreement as well as they disregarded the Reform Agenda 4 Pact.?So PM Raila and ODM should not fall in their trap game plan.? It is from here we will sieve chaff from the grain.? Once the accused are arraigned to Hague, President Kibaki topping the list of the accused will lead the team to Hague and it will therefore mean Kofi Annan with eminent personalities with the United Nations Select Committee will automatically step in to dismantle the Coalition Government.?No doubt, Kenya is a failed?State.? Therefore PM Raila with ODM Team should not step out before that is done. ? For any meaningful reform or leadership is charted out, first things first,?which includes ? 1) Taking immediate legal action to those who committed?planned organized genocide before and after election.? FBI and The Hague must step into Kenya immediately 2) Reform Agenda No. 4 must be completed.? Kofi Annan and United Nation with eminent personalities must join to chart out strategic planning for an Interim Government to complete the Grand Coalition assignment of the reform agenda No. 4 3) The proper appointment of Electoral Body must be instituted with credible Judicial legal Institution set up not with the current Justice Gicheru 4) Overhaul of the Police force must be instituted with a new police boss 5) Freedom of expression by Media, Civil Society, NGOs, Faith Based?as well as Individuals with indipendent minds 6) Campaign funds must be set aside by the United Nations Organizing Team 7) Chief Justice Gicheru and Muhoho must quit Government's public office 8) Justice system must be overhauled 9) ODM must have detailed information and access to all Donor Funding into the Country Kenya as well as they must have a say in their disbursments to projects and programs ? Kenya is a peaceful Country over the years, but this trend of selfishness has gone too far.? The Country cannot heal before culprits who caused too much pain with human loss goes unpunished.? The Law must take its due course and corruption, graft and injustices must end with all tax payers money stolen recovered so that a repeat of such actions should?be discouraged in the future.? Kenya is sick and tired of such killings every election time, with selfishness where Government Jobs are for one tribe, the Kikuyu.? Muhoho is over 71 years, his conducts are questionable, people are complaining and still because PNU is proving tough headed, they put him back in public office come what may, and it has become a fashion.? You can tell from the way PNU fellows behaves and braggs from attachments. ? If PM Raila resigns and runs away before Kofi Annan steps in, people will?believe he is trying to cover up the rot for Kibaki and PNU.? By staying inside the coalition government the truth?will be?unveiled some of which have surfaced we now?know, such like, ?Kibaki curved the Judiciary for his PNU and Cartels interest, he has made it difficult for ODM to survive in the coalition by denying them 50/50 share of the rulership - it is not that it cannot work, they are just?gluttons, he put Uhuru to steal money from Finance Department on behalf of PNU where he colluded with Muhoho to defraud Kenya Revenue public utility from billions of shillings?(Airport saga) of tax payers by insisting Muhoho stays put in public office, the Police Mr. Ali is running the government by fear and terror of police shooting (innocent until proved guilty) to kill?citizens like animanls gone amok. He defies PM Raila request of sacking CJ Gicheru because of mulpractices in Judiciary, Kibaki not complying with reform agenda #4 with requirement?of 50/50 control share of?Coalition Government?as is?stated in the coalition?agreement. He has also defied Common Sense to remove corrupt leaders from public office and the cabinet. ? Kenyans to achieve genuine reform,?Kenyans must be united na......?Bado Mapambano......... ? Thanks, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch This......... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13FAzuY_fA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Entv%2Eco% ? Raila hits out at Kibaki for ?opposing? him Prime Minister Raila Odinga at a public rally in Makadara, Nairobi on Sunday, April 5 2009. PHOTO/WILLIAM OERI?? By?LUCAS BARASAPosted?Sunday, April 5?2009?at?20:22 Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday for the first time since the coalition government was formed, launched a major direct attack on President Kibaki. He accused the Head of State of contradicting him in major government decisions, among other things. Related Stories Kibaki and Raila retreat to take stock of coalition Annan clears air on Geneva talks Why Kibaki and Raila can?t sack Sacking Cabinet rebels a tall order for Kibaki Why Kibaki called off Cabinet talks The PM made the remarks during a public rally at Nairobi?s Makongeni grounds, a day after the collapse of crucial talks on management of the year-old coalition. In what appeared to be souring of the relations, Mr Odinga said it was wrong for the President to always give different opinions from his on matters of national importance. A hard-talking Mr Odinga gave the example of his stand on judicial reforms when he had called for the removal of Chief Justice Evan Gicheru. But President Kibaki has since expressed confidence in the CJ. Contradicts me ?As the Prime Minister speaks and the other one (President Kibaki) contradicts me... There should be respect from both sides,? the PM said. The PM said ODM was in the coalition on its own right after it ?won? the 2007 elections but was rigged out. ?Even a toddler and insane people know the results of the last elections.? The ODM leader said his party agreed to join the coalition since most of its followers were being killed and for the sake of peace and stability. Mr Odinga, who in the recent past had avoided attacking his main coalition partner and insisted all was well between them, seemed disturbed by the collapse of the Kilaguni talks. He was accompanied by assistant minister Elizabeth Ongoro, nominated MP Musa Sirma and former Makadara MP Reuben Ndolo. ? BY STANDARD TEAM Prime Minister Raila Odinga launched a vicious attack on President Kibaki over the slow pace of reforms even as Justice Minister Martha Karua gave the strongest hint that she would quit Government. Raila?s attack on the President ? the first since the Coalition Government was formed a year ago ? came only a day after a retreat by a committee of Cabinet ministers ended in disarray on Saturday. Raila warned that ODM could pull out if comprehensive reforms were not put in place. This happened even Karua said she could quit her Cabinet position if she was not given a free hand in running the affairs of her ministry. President Kibaki last week appointed seven judges without her knowledge. Raila on his part, while addressing a rally at Makongeni estate in Nairobi Sunday, asked: "What kind of Government are we leading yet when I speak as the Prime Minister and he (Kibaki) contradicts me?" But Kibaki was not there to defend himself against Raila?s accusations, having left the country for a regional meeting in Zambia, leaving that task to Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and other ministers. Raila walked out Speaking only a day after the stalled talks at Kilaguni Serena Lodge, Raila said: "He (Kibaki) has no respect for me. Respect is a two-way traffic. We have been patient enough. We signed the National Accord to restore peace but we are being taken for granted. From today we will go back to the people and demand reforms," Raila said. Raila said he was convinced that ODM won the 2007 General Election and so would not hesitate to return to the ballot. On her part, Karua left no doubts about her imminent departure from Government. "I have done a lot as a backbencher," Karua said at St Stephen?s Church on Jogoo Road, where ODM politicians were in attendance. "Mtu akikupa jembe halafu akufunge mikono, utawezaje kuifanya hiyo kazi? (How can you perform a task when someone gives you a hoe and then ties your hands?)" After the collapse of the coalition talks at Kilaguni Serena Lodge in Tsavo West game reserve Kibaki and Raila?s parties gave different versions of what led to the collapse of the retreat. Kibaki?s Party of National Unity PNU issued a press statement in Nairobi Sunday, reacting to Raila?s on Saturday evening, accusing him of walking out on Kibaki. Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka who read PNU?s statement accompanied by seven ministers and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, flanked by 23 MPs and seven Cabinet ministers at the Serena Hotel in Nairobi declared that in spite of the Saturday events, "the grand coalition is not about to collapse because no one is talking about running away from the coalition." Transport minister Ali Mwakwere accused ODM of exhibiting arrogance for leaving the talks and claimed Raila walked out on Kibaki. Uhuru accused ODM of trying to push for the recruitment and appointments into the armed forces on party lines. "ODM wants PNU and ODM military officers," said Kenyatta who also accused Raila of refusing to "meet the President at some stage." Internal Security minister George Saitoti claimed the coalition "is not collapsing as portrayed in the media" but accused ODM of introducing an agenda that could not be discussed at Kilaguni. Battle over jobs Musyoka claimed the talks collapsed because ODM sprung an agenda on PNU about constitution of the Armed Forces, appointments to diplomatic missions and civil service that he alleged could not be discussed by the Permanent Committee on the Management of the Grand Coalition Affairs or outside comprehensive review of the Constitution. He also alleged that ODM wanted to discuss Government Spokesman Dr Alfred Mutua and Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura and re-negotiate the National Accord. "It is clear that out coalition partners are seeking re-negotiation of the February 2008 National Accord," said the VP who also alleged that PNU wanted to discuss fast implementation of Agenda 4 on long term solutions to Kenya?s problems, impunity and review implementation of the National Accord. But ODM disputed documents issued by Musyoka. The PM?s office immediately released documents and claimed copies of reports issued by PNU at its press briefing yesterday were falsified, selective and a misrepresentation of proceedings between the two parties before and after the abortive retreat. Two centres of power Both parties, however, were in agreement that a pre-retreat agenda and programme had been published after extensive consultations. Reactions to the stalemate were varied. The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) chairman Dr Bonny Khalwale, Assistant Minister Silvester Wakoli and Matungu MP David Were called on Kibaki and Raila to take full charge of their coalition blocs and move the country forward. Wakoli said Kibaki and Raila may be genuine in their dealings but their close political lieutenants are behind the friction in the Coalition Government. Khalwale said Kibaki and Raila should adhere to the National Accord and work together instead of engaging in fights for political supremacy. "It is coming out clearly that we have two centres of power and Kenyans need to brace for hard times," said Khalwale who is the Ikolomani MP. Speaking on Saturday, Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi said time could be running out for the full implementation of Agenda Four of the National Accord. Echoing Chief Mediator Kofi Annan?s sentiments, Mudavadi said Kenya has just 15 months to implement the reform agenda, adding that the country should not wait any longer. Mudavadi noted that there are over 1.2 million people in the voters? register who have since died. "After 15 months, implementation of the reform agenda might be hard because we would have neared the General Election," he said. Yesterday, Mudavadi said those calling for elections now are misleading the country. "The country is yet to deal with the issue of impunity, a new Constitution and a new electoral body," said Mudavadi, who is also the Sabatia legislator. Mudavadi was speaking at the launch of Sabatia Constituency strategic plan at Moi Girls, Vokoli. ? Kibaki dismisses lawyers? petition against Gicheru Kibaki rules out suspension of projects If we allow leaders to go astray morally, the nation will go down with them Raila can lead reforms if accorded real share of power Kibaki pledges to fight impunity By Martin Mutua and Leonard Korir President Kibaki has backed embattled Chief Justice Evan Gicheru and dismissed a petition by the Law society of Kenya against him. In the petition, LSK had requested the President to appoint a tribunal to investigate the CJ. But the Head of State said he had studied the petition and found it had no merit to warrant him to institute a tribunal. In a letter to LSK Chairman Okong?o Omogeni, by the Head of the Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura, the President expressed confidence in Gicheru. "In that regard, I am directed by his Excellency the President to inform you that he has studied the petition you presented to him through the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs and has concluded that the petition is without merit," Muthaura?s letter reads in part. The letter added: "Furthermore, His Excellency the President has no reason to doubt the ability of Chief Justice Evans Gicheru to discharge the responsibilities of his office." Security of tenure The move slams the door against attempts to outs Gicheru, who enjoys security of tenure. And it comes a day after the President appeared to pull the rug from under the feet of Justice Minister Martha Karua, who was kept in the dark over the swearing in of seven new judges on Thursday. The appointments elicited mixed reactions with some lawyers and commentators dismissing them as cosmetic and falling short of wide-ranging reforms needed in the Judiciary. Yesterday, a beaming Gicheru confirmed that Karua was not consulted over the appointment of new judges, since she was not a member of the Judicial Service Commission. "Why should someone who is not a member of the commission be concerned when the President is exercising his powers?" he asked. He added that it was not the Chief Justice?s work to appoint judges but he was consulted as a member of the commission. The CJ was speaking during the official opening of the Kilgoris Law Courts. He urged members of the Judiciary to be independent and professional to erase the public perception that they are corrupt. Not a barrier He also dismissed claims that he was part of the team derailing reforms in the Judiciary. Last month, lawyers petitioned President Kibaki to constitute a tribunal to probe Gicheru?s suitability for the job. LSK had also blamed the CJ for inefficiency, failing to effect necessary reforms and asked him to resign before they presented the petition to the President. But Gicheru stood his ground, saying he would not quit and defended the Judiciary adding that his reforms had turned around the adminsinstration of justice for the better. At 71 Muhoho reappointed KAA?s CEO Muhoho reappointed KAA boss Why Muhoho?s contract could be renewed Sh308m irregular deal exposed KAA KAA defends position on OneJetOne tender By Beauttah Omanga At 71, Mr George Muhoho was expected to be replaced this week and Kenya Civil Aviation Authority?s board had even endorsed his replacement and instructed him to hand over. On Wednesday Transport Minister Chirau Ali Mwakwere had showed a soft spot for Muhoho but nonetheless, the board did not bet on his reappointment to probably be Kenya?s oldest public sector Chief Executive. According to a local newspaper, the board even went as far as ordering that his signature be struck off the parastatals bank accounts. The board would still have to work with Muhoho. Mwakwere declared yesterday he had given him another year in office because despite his age, he was the best man for the job in the country. "I know Muhoho is not a young man but age does not prevent one from doing an exemplary work. I have decided to extend Muhoho?s tenure by one more year starting today" said Mwakwere. "I cannot trust human resource bodies to point out a qualified Kenyan for me to appoint. I am professional in this field and even in the past, I had to disagree with experts? opinion on appointments,?? Mwakwere said. Muhoho, a former Catholic priest, one the closest confidants of President Kibaki from his days as Democratic Party presidential candidate and leader and a brother of Kenya?s first First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta, is a man on the roll and age is just but a number. He clinched renewal at the helm of what should be a techno-savvy organisation that manages Kenya?s airports despite accusations of having juggled demands of public office and management of Kibaki?s presidential campaigns in 2007. Muhoho, who is uncle to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, was reappointed the same week that Mwakwere terminated a Sh2.9 billion Build Operate and Transfer contract KAA had given a foreign firm with Sri Lankan links. Lucrative contract The award went to the firm despite lamentation the national carrier, Kenya Airways, had been sidestepped and that the advertisement was vague. In cancelling the lucrative contract, the minister conceded it had ?errors?. Addressing a press conference in his office yesterday, the minister dismissed as unfounded accusations levelled against Muhoho and challenged those with evidence to produce it. He said he was surprised that the MD was being accused of wrong doings soon after he left office. He denied ever having received any graft allegations against Muhoho that would compel him to deny him an extension of his term. "It surprises me that all manner of accusations are being made now after Muhoho left office. Let those with tangible evidence against him bring that evidence to me and I will act," said the minister. ? How Annan defused tension between Kibaki and Raila By Oscar Obonyo A day after he landed in the country on a peace mission, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan found himself in an awkward situation. He hosted President Kibaki and Mr Raila Odinga in tension packed meeting. Coming against the backdrop of claims of a "stolen election" and ongoing bloody violence, Annan observes the two were uncomfortable with each other and he did much of the talking to ease tension in the room. The three were holed up in the President?s Harambee Office as the entire country waited outside with bated breath. And for the more than one hour, the tense "meeting" was punctuated with silence, except for a few ice-breaking interjections from Annan. The chief mediator observes it was like trying to arrange a marriage for partners who are not ready. The two principals with team of Eminent Persons. These events were unfolding at a time when hostility between the two camps was at the peak and Raila and the ODM brigade had outrightly refused to recognise Kibaki as President, let alone utter the word "president" in reference to the PNU leader. In his first public revelation of what ?actually? transpired at the closed door meeting, the former UN boss confesses nothing much really happened: "Yet, lots of people thought we were having serious discussions." He says the body language of the two leaders was quite telling: "It was very stiff, but this remained unchanged because they knew each other so well. They had too much history, which we knew. So in fact, after we had gone through the preliminary discussions, I told them why I thought they should shake hands." But what followed was torturous experience for Annan and the two principals. They were kept waiting in the room for more than an hour because of a podium and a microphone. Kibaki and Raila could not talk or look at each other. The tension was unbearable. "I talked to them about conflicts and what?s going on in Africa and trying to get them to engage in the situation in the country, and the need for them to act. But they were not ready (to chat), so I didn?t push. So I tried to talk to them about other things," recollects Annan. The Harambee House meeting was preceded by a protocol war staged by Raila and his ODM brigade. During a meeting at ODM?s Pentagon House, Raila warned Annan that he would boycott any scheduled meetings between him and Kibaki if held at State House. "We won?t go to the State House because in doing so, it?s a recognition of the President," the PM was categorical. Protocol wars "Let?s get the appointment and then we?ll worry about the protocol side of it," was Annan?s response. Indeed, the renowned diplomat succeeded to finally bring the two leaders together in a record 48 hours, after stepping on the Kenyan soil. "I saw Odinga first and then saw the President. I told Odinga, ?look, the two of you have to work together, the two of you have to save this situation," he said. When he reached out to the President, he immediately agreed to a meeting under ODM?s terms. Eventually, the two leaders came face-to-face for the first time at 4.30pm on January 23, last year, since the breakout of the post-election violence. Although "nothing much" happened between the two leaders (in terms of dialogue), Annan was an elated man. This is the moment he had been craving for, to stage-manage the now famous handshake. "My first acts on the second day of my arrival was to get the two leaders together in public for them to shake hands, and send a message to the people ? to those groups that were killing each other: ?Here are the leaders shaking hands, so hold your horses," he says. On their way out of Harambee House, Annan thought that since there was such tension between Kibaki and Raila, it would be a miscalculation for him to bring the two together to negotiate. Tension at Harambee House "A handshake was fine, but to get them into straightforward negotiations given the tensions may in fact complicate matters and blow up everything," he states. He accordingly opted to defuse the tension by giving the two principals a sense that they would be involved in the peace deliberations but not immediately through confronting each other. Instead he asked them to select three representatives each at the talks. When eventually this arrangement stalled midway, he handed the process over to the two leaders ? by then tension between them had gradually simmered. But still Kibaki declined to cooperate stating "the Constitution says it?s difficult." "I said ?We brought a lawyer in, and Mr President I think it can be done?, as he asked for Attorney General Amos Wako." Wako was brought in as Raila, feeling "lonely and unrepresented", insisted on getting his lawyer (Lands Minister James Orengo) too. With the paperwork finally in the hands of the two experts, Annan observes, the deal was good as sealed. Kenya accused of waging half-hearted war on graft British Foreign Secretary David Miliband. Photo/FILE? By?NATION CorrespondentPosted?Friday, April 3?2009?at?20:31 ? The British government has accused Kenyan leaders of doing little to eliminate impunity and fight corruption. Speaking during debate in the House of Commons, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband also criticised Kenya?s Parliament for failing to push for the formation of a special tribunal to try perpetrators of post-election violence. Mr Miliband said Parliament had let one of the best chances of securing justice for violence victims go begging. Some 1,133 people were killed and 600,000 displaced from their homes during the post-poll mayhem. Mr Miliband said Britain remained concerned about the country?s future and emphasised the need for progress in the National Accord reform agenda to prevent a repeat of the crisis. ?We remain concerned about the country?s future. There are signs that the reform process begun 15 months ago might be losing momentum,? he said. He accused the Grand Coalition Government of making insufficient efforts to end impunity and address corruption. ?Corruption and mismanagement are still significant problems. Recent allegations underline why Kenyans are calling on their government to show that they are accountable and transparent and to uphold the rule of law,? he added. Mr Miliband warned that unless the pace of political reform picks up, the country?s outlook was bleak. ?We want progress on the National Accord in order to avoid a repeat of last year?s violence,? the Foreign secretary added. The British government?s call comes a few days after a Kenyan government delegation returned from Geneva, Switzerland, where they attended a conference dubbed ?Kenya National Dialogue: One year Later?. The conference sought to appraise the government?s progress one year after the formation of the Grand Coalition Government. Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi led the government delegation that comprised Cabinet ministers Martha Karua, James Orengo, Moses Wetang?ula and Sally Kosgei and Attorney-General Amos Wako. During the conference, the International Criminal Court warned of swift action on the Kenyan case if Parliament fails to establish a local tribunal to try the poll chaos suspects. ICC?s intervention, a special advisor to the chief prosecutor, Mr Louis Moreno-Ocampo warned, will be relentless, firm and unstoppable. Ms Beatrice le Fraper Du Hellen said The Hague started collecting information on the crimes against humanity after the 2007 elections in December and will not take long to issue warrants of arrest to suspected architects of the violence once it takes up the case. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 05:53:17 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 02:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] The buck stops with the President Message-ID: <888094.67737.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The buck stops with the President??????????????????????????????????????????? 6th April 2009 When the Coalition Partners retreated to Kilaguni for talks on how to strengthen their marriage, Kenyans were optimistic that at long last, the National Accord that ushered in the marriage was going to be put in its proper perspective and the bottlenecks addressed. This was not to be. And Kenyans, least of all the clergy, came in to urge the Coalition Partners to keep engaging for the sake of Kenya. As usual, the clergy were being economical with the truth. I am concerned about the process of national healing and reconciliation. How can we achieve this when we conveniently refuse to be truthful with the President? If the President is walking naked, why can we not gather the courage and tell him that he is naked? We will not be his enemies by pointing such things out to him. It is doing Kenya a lot of injustice when the mistakes made by the President are manipulated to look like the Prime Minister is part and parcel of the same. Let us look at the following scenarios; 1] There is management problem at the Kenya Ports Authority and the Prime Minister steps in. He says that the port is a national institution whose leadership must be open to all Kenyans. The President keeps silent but in his silence, he engineers some people from the coast to insist that the MD at KPA must be a coastal. 2] Mau is a serious national disaster. The Prime Minister has been talking about the need to conserve Mau while the President has kept a studious silence. In his silence, he is scheming only of how to derail Raila with the Mau issue. To him, derailing Raila is more important than conserving the Mau. 3] Martha Karua sees the light at last and is almost repentant that she almost derailed Kenya by supporting the Judiciary and the nocturnal swearing in of Kibaki after he had lost the last elections. She says that there must be justice at the Judiciary. The same thing is said by the Law Society of Kenya who goes ahead to demand establishment of a Judicial Commission to investigate the conduct of the Chief Justice. The PM weighs in with his demand for a total overhaul of the Judiciary. But the President says he has all confidence in the Chief Justice then goes ahead to swear people without the knowledge of the Minister for Justice. Who is the problem here? 4] An audit report reveals that George Muhoho has not been accountable for Kshs 2.9 billion at Kenya Airports Authority and as such, he needs to be investigated. The PM says as much. Makwere as the substantive minister acknowledges and send Muhoho on compulsory leave pending his third retirement. The following day, Makwere reappoints him to the MDs position at KPA. Do not mind that Muhoho is even past the recommended Biblical age limit of 70. The Bible says that a man shall live for 70 years and a bonus after that. Again, the machinations are clear. 5] At Kenya Tourist Board, Mr. Achieng? Ongong?a is shown the door so swiftly for an alleged syndicate involving Kshs 35 million. At the same time, Mr. George Okungu, the MD at Kenya Pipeline is shown the door swiftly for theft of oil in a scum that does not involve him. 6] Migingo Islands are annexed by Museveni and the MPs make noise. The Ministers are up in arms. The PM adds his voice. But the Commander-in-Chief, who holds the sword of Kenya, is silent. Instead of having these invaders arrested, he sends the Police Commissioner, the man who says that if the times were rewinded, he would kill as many as he did last year, to go and negotiate with Museveni. And not a single word from the clergy. 7] President Kibaki has been to Kisii 6 times, Western Kenya, 5 times, Rift Valley, several times. If the President believes in national healing and reconciliation, what has stopped him from visiting Kisumu, Homa Bay, Siaya and Bondo in all this time? No. The President is busy scheming against his own people and he must be told as much. To this extent, if the clergy are sincere about national healing and reconciliation in Kenya, they must confront the truth, for the truth shall set us free. The truth is that President Kibaki is not keen on national healing and reconciliation. He is keen on derailing Raila from ever being the President of Kenya. That is his obsession. He thinks about Raila all the times to an extent that he must contradict all that Raila says regardless of the benefit of such things to the country. ? The PNU side has put out a fully paid for advert in today?s papers. I believe it has not been paid for by Alfred Mutua, he who speaks for the President. They asked a few questions worth responding to; Do Kenyans want security organs and especially the military involved in politics? This is a deliberate question to confuse our intelligence. All security organs at the top leadership are political. They are appointed by the President and they serve his interest. If that were the case, the Police Commissioner and the Head of the Armed Forces would have served the law when Kibaki lost in the last elections. Instead of serving the law, they were more than willing to kill Kenyans just to perpetuate one man?s hold on to power. Kenyans want the security organs to pay allegiance to the law, and not to the executive. Do Kenyans want the public service divided into two with Government officers reporting to political parties? This is myopic. Who does not know that the Head of Public Service is a political appointee? And who does not know that the age limit in public service has been 55 years? Do Kenyans want to go back to the past or to move forward towards national healing and reconciliation so as to facilitate development? What national healing is the President advancing when he clearly segregates against a section of Kenya? What national healing is the President advancing when he cannot implement to the letter the wordings of the National Accord that there shall be a 50/50 sharing of Government amongst the Coalition Partners? What national healing is the President advancing when he keeps silent and waits for the PM to make a move which he promptly contradicts? Do Kenyans want their leaders to be engaged in endless political wrangling at the expense of undertaking development projects for which they were elected? I would have wanted to listen to Mutula Kilonzo answer this on Citizen TV. I am happy that he chickened out because he is one of the people being used to advance this false belief. Bottom Line; The clergy must come clean and point out the mistakes, rebuke the person who has made that mistake, and let the country move forward. Mass condemnation will not do. Point out the mistake and the person who has done that mistake. Then wait for your day in heaven to tell the Lord that you did justice while you were shepherding his flock here on Planet Earth. Otherwise, you will burn in eternal fire just like all the sinners. ? Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joragem at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 20:08:19 2009 From: joragem at gmail.com (Joram Ragem) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:08:19 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP Message-ID: Dr Abonyo, The problem with you is that you are so naive in politics. You want to practice this politics in the diaspora when all politics is local. You are assuming that all the cheap ideas you have said are not beknown to Raila. Does it occur to you that a wise man can pretend to be stupid to outsmart those who think they are smarter. Raila will deal in politics to the extent that his wisdon, which is greater than yours, allow him. If it was not for the obvious fact that you have always been an Uncle Tom and a Raila hater, it would make sence to discuss with you. Our undercover work indicate that you have been so frustrated about having your radical and fundamentalist views considered or followed by ODM that you have undertaken to begin your own political party. Please concentrate in strengthening your party and your leader PLO Lumumba. When elections come, Agwambo will show you all dust. -- Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) *WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP * *It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed, the public especially those who belonged to the opposition questioned if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority. From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. * *As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs While many were not convinced that ODM was given a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge? The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he? No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that prime minister becomes a toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa. My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to do something about it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aggreyken at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 7 04:31:49 2009 From: aggreyken at yahoo.co.uk (Kenyatta Aggrey) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:31:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <101069.66224.qm@web28515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> "What is so professional about sex?"......well, it gave us the oldest profession on earth!!!! --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Carol Mukami wrote: From: Carol Mukami Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! 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The PM was constitutionally created under the coalition arrangement and this hasnt come to an end. It will be a halt if Raila quits - and then we can go back to the drawing board and see things afresh. ? What if Martha and Raila join hands? Ruto, Kalonzo, and Uhuru also form their camp. Saitoti can decide to join them or do his own things elsewhere. ? I see an opportunity for new leadership any time from now. If i was the PM - it could have been te best time for coup while the CIC s out of the country. We can take over the government through a civilian coup. Remember the late Dr Josephat Njuguna Karanja? When he was acting president, ministers and MPs?used to crawl facing him. He was almost taking control. ? The embarrasment, the shame? - the Kibaki/Raila axis is bringing on Kenyans is too much. Either way, we also like politics like butter and bread. And therefore nothing will ever happen other than thinking of resignation, press conferences, assassination?etc. I strongly believe Kenya is a strong democracy better than some countries around us. The difference we do politics daily without a little break and do something tangible.?So the trend is: join the government, when you are almost failing, starting attacking that government, then resign citing frustrations - and Kenyan will side with you!!! HELL NO. ? That is what Raila did with Moi - Raila has never finished any term in office. He should probably regret that he hasnt got anyone to take over like he did from the Late Jaramogi. Both father and son were in active politics. And the legacy will soon be forgotten. What i mean is that even if Raila was to be president - i think not much we would have achieved - the elections were stolen by Kibaki and we have let him continue to eat and eat. Our GDP will remain where it was three years ago or get worse. Kibaki hasnt changed anything - same old faces in the recycle bin. Havent we forgotten Hon Joseph Kamotho? ? Martha's resignation is good ridance of one who has seen justice thrown out of the window without defendin it. What will Martha tell Kenyans? And CJ and AG - they are all failures. The PM is a villain and he didnt listen. Why keep grappling when you can do something. ? The civil coup is an inevitable option. ? Kombo Elijah --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Sebastian Onyango wrote: From: Sebastian Onyango Subject: Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite.org, editor at majimbokenya.com, editorial at eastandard.net, africa-oped at yahoogroups.com, "youngprofessionals" , progressiveminds at yahoogroups.com, ProgressiveMinds at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:52 PM Barack, ? I agree with your sentiments almost in total!! There is no coalition government and as things stand you only need to know that according to the ruling mafia, Raila is already out! The question they are groping with is just how to do away with him totally? ? There are two scenarios! Ruto is likely to be offered the PM role should Raila attempt to pull out and as we all know, he will accept it as deputy leader of ODM becuase arrangements have been and are being made to soothe him and crwon him as head of Kalenjin leadership with fake goodies to make?him dump mainstream ODM for cooperation with PNU. The release of Kibor is just to prepare the way although we know that he should have been released long time ago. ? The other scenario is where Raila decides to stay put untill 2012 as PM as he has stated but has no say in government becuase all the instruments of power are going to be withdrawn given that ODM is already lameduck, thanks to the neophytes who entered parliament the other day. In this scenario Kibaki is going to crawl back to full presidential power and ignore the coalition law in total. Then he will start firing and hiring at will to appease the group I am talking about so that they can cause maximum damage to ODM. The appointment of judges was just to test the waters! Just watch what is going to happen.That is why I agree with you that Agwambo has boxed himself into a tight corner. ? The only sad thing is that this government does not stand for the interest of Kenyans including our Kikuyu brothers save for the children of homegaurds who have taken over from their fathers and will inevitably hand over power to their own children to the exclusion of the the rest of kenyans, including the true?children of?freedom fighters?who have nothing to show for the labour of their forefathers except being reffered to as poor, mungiki, touts etc. ? As for 2012, Raila and company must forget! APs and the provincial administration are already being prepared for rigging of the 2012 election! Just look at the procurement votes for these two departments of goevernment to understand what awaits those dreaming of 2012 and how this mafias operate! As for the military you just need to know what is happening with promotions there! The massacre that will take place in 2012 should kenyans attempt an uprising will dwarf any that has ever happened. ? That is why I submit that waiting for 2012 is not the answer! If Kenyans forced Moi to repael section 2A and introduce multiparty without a single MP in parliament supporting them, Kenyans can change everything with even a lameduck PM provided he is willing to take the gamble and provide leadership! After all in politics you must always take a risk! ? But come to think of it! If you can cheat death then you can also cheat your enemy atleast more than once! This is the puzzle that must be broken!! Otherwise Kenyans should forget ever removing these mafias, who feed on the blood of their own children, from power. ? Sebastian ? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, barack abonyo wrote: From: barack abonyo Subject: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite .org, editor at majimbokenya .com, editorial at eastandar d.net, africa-oped@ yahoogroups. com, "youngprofessionals " , progressiveminds@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:54 PM It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect?in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed,?the public especially those who belonged to the opposition?questioned?if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority.? From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. ? As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs ? While many were not convinced that ODM?was given?a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. ? My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge??The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he???No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. ? The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that?prime minister becomes a? toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages?here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa. ? My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to?do something about?it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and?ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. ? Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it.. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic () Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luo31 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 6 16:54:31 2009 From: luo31 at hotmail.com (barack abonyo) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:54:31 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP Message-ID: It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed, the public especially those who belonged to the opposition questioned if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority. From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs While many were not convinced that ODM was given a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge? The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he? No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that prime minister becomes a toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa. My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to do something about it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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ODM is just in the ROT bag no less than PNU is and any break from PNU must be matched with a break from ODM. It is hypocritical and disingenuous to come on this forum with skewed discombobulated? support of ODM when the facts are obvious and speak for themselves. The Prime Minister?s position in Kenya was a result of political accommodation, temporary at that to appease the likes of Raila who were determined to burn up the country so as to make president; make no mistake- violence was the means to the prime minister?s position in Kenya and you guys seem determined to pursue that avenue, well it just may be the way to abolish it if you so wish. The PM in Kenya is not an elected official and nor is the position an elective office and cannot therefore be granted or allowed to usurp executive powers reserved for the president, who gets his authority directly from the people. Be it as it may that the elections were bungled and there that there will always be questions about Kibaki?s validity or legitimacy as president, for argument?s sake US President George Bush?s legitimacy was also in question in November 2000 when by clear and convincing margins Al Gore won the popular vote for crying out loud and yet the rule of law in the US and the maturity of its politicians to put country first prevailed; the fact still remains, Kenyans never elected PM Odinga to his office as Prime Minister, period, end of story! PM Odinga was appointed to his position and to the extent he and ODM are unhappy with the arrangement they all agreed to, he and his party are clearly at liberty to leave; perhaps follow Martha Karua?s example and just quit, there is clearly a provision on the addendum to the constitution which brought about the premiership that either party can withdraw at their choosing, what is stopping ODM now? With respect to corruption, law and order, oh puhlease! Give us a break; let me just remind you as follows, ????????? It was PM Odinga who, while legitimately unhappy about the election outcome, refused to go to court and blatantly rubbished Kenya?s law ????????? It was the PM Odinga who called for MASS ACTION, the obvious code word for armed struggle which resulted in thousands of deaths ????????? It was PM Odinga who said post election violence suspects did nothing wrong and that they were protesting their stolen cows ????????? It was PM Odinga who tried to sabotage law and order by pushing for the release of Mungiki leader Njenga so he can make his own case for the release of post election violence suspects ????????? It was PM Odinga who signed off on a maize deal that benefited his ODM stalwarts despite his personal knowledge of what was in fact going on and that his own man Ruto was selling the maize to Sudan while Kenyans are starving ????????? It is PM Odinga who shields and to this day continues to shield the war lord Ruto and his kind from prosecution despite numerous indictments and pending actions against these lot in courts of law ????????? It was PM Odinga who campaigned on the apartheid MAJIMBO platform which pitted tribes against others and precipitated the violence Kenya experienced ????? It was PM Odinga who appointed the "appelate Judge" Otieno Kajwang as minister despite his personal knowledge that Kajwang robbed a disabled factory father of four of his court award for his injuries.. talk about double standards! Point being, the argument that PM Odinga is a viable leader for Kenya as a substitute for Kibaki is just as hollow and shallow as the man himself. The PM has a lot of explaining and atonement to do. Now as for the president himself, truth is, he just lost control and sight of what being president is about and this is obviously being exploited left and right; I think PM Odinga would have perhaps been a very effective leader if it hadn?t been for his impulsiveness, very foolish and ?poor judgments! And on that point, he lost any traction or chance of winning the popular vote at the national level?from the very people he demonized. As for threats about a civil war, you are not scaring anyone; just because ODM managed to spring a surprise in December of 2007 doesn?t mean they can pull another one again; ODM and its supporters will hurt badly if that is the route they choose. So here is what I would do to restore order and direction in government: ????????? We would have a run-off election for president with the two principals, President Kibaki and PM Odinga ?as the only contestants between the months of July and September ????????? Government will continue to operate under VP Musyoka as caretaker during the 90 day campaign period, parliament to remain in session ????????? Election observers drawn from both domestic and international sources to help monitor the elections ????????? If President Kibaki wins, he gets to serve the remainder of his term with a newly reconstituted cabinet and government. Similarly, if PM Odinga wins, he will start a new five year term to be served the entire five years as president with a newly constituted cabinet and government. We will, at that time, finally get to be served by a government truly representative of the majority ????????? The National Accord Agreement of 2008 shall automatically become extinct by operation of law upon declaration of campaigning by president Kibaki ????????? Police and the paramilitary, GSU to provide security and protection as custodians of law and order with the support of a limited number of UN sponsored peacekeepers during the campaigns ?This will put this juvenile madness to a complete?end once and for all and help restore the country back to its original course of growth and prosperity but perhaps more importantly, restore democracy. --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [YP_Ke] Fw: Kibaki and PNU is Driving Kenya to Civil War To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, yourviews at cnn.com, youth.anticorruption at yahoo.com, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, editor at africanexecutive.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at nation.co.ke, "Editor" , "Newsweek" , "Editor Gurdian" , "majimbo kenya" , editor at ugandaobserver.com, "editorNYtimes" , jaluo at jaluo.com, jaluo at yahoo.com, ackmwest at swiftkenya.com Cc: betty.otieno at gmail.com, sunoti at yahoo.com, abdullahi.boru at bbc.co.uk, abujanig at yahoogroups.com, Achika91 at hotmail.com, adrienngudi at yahoo.com, admin at arrforum.org, akabata2001 at yahoo.com, alexidre at yahoo.com, atandip at yahoo.com, amtogo433 at yahoo.com, aliceclem15 at yahoo.com, amachih at hotmail.com, shabbazke at yahoo.com, brkajuma05 at yahoo.com, kenyanpeace at gmail.com, www.jackeebb at hotmail.com, carol.mukami at gmail.com, chacha at oraro.co.ke, chamkaa at yahoo.com, charleskaduwa2002 at mail.com, comwandho at hotmail.com, cheboswony2003 at yahoo.com, chrisasir at yahoo.com, clementinenduku at yahoo.com, wkihika at yahoo.com, wampum76 at yahoo.com, demwa72 at yahoo.com, dethuro at yahoo.com, djmrjay at gmail.com, dpinkenya at yahoo.co.uk, ohito2002 at yahoo.com, dubbingking at hotmail.com, padwa_2000 at yahoo.com, wuodnyaoko at hotmail.com, "dickens odhiambo" , "odhiambo okecth" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:32 PM Folks, ? These PNU?fellows hawana makende matatu, wana mbili tu, kama wanaume wengine.? Kwanini wana jisikia sukari??? ? PM Raila and ODM have the right and must?demand for?their due share of?50/50 in the excecuting of the Administration of the Coalition Government and move with it. PM Raila needs respect from Kibaki and PNU domo domo like akina Muthaura, Makwere, Kalonzo Musyoka and Mutua must stop.??ODM must without being cowed conduct their affairs as is expected of them by Wanainchi, so dont give up.??No one?has a right to?sit on them to dictate how they should conduct ODM matters if PNU fellows dont behave. Let PM Raila?continue to speak up?openely in public forums for Wanainchi to believe in him like he has started?giving?press conferences and direction?what Kenya should?know while condemning vices like those of Muhoho, Muthaura, Mutua?together with giving information about?Finance Dept. donor funding? disbursments with other conflicting issues which must be spoken in the open so?the world?know.? You can only speak the truth and condemn corruption when?you are in the system, not when you quit or are out, it will be hard since life will continue for PNU folks?as usual.? He must not cover the PNU misconducts any more, until the marriage will be officially determined terminated by the United Nations together with Kofi Annan who will urgently convene a special meeting with eminent persons to help?chart-out ways and means and with resolutions why Kibaki with those around him have decided to control the government in seclusion of ODM?avoiding other elected members of parliament, what are they hiding???PM?Raila?has nothing to fear.? The whole world is watching.? We want to know the truth?with all?hidden agenda about Kibaki's stubbornness and PNU fellows.?In future we dont want to hear walionewa, oh oh ilikuwa ilikuwa. ?We want to know why the Iran President upon visiting Kenya, he arrived with 200 people and when leaving left some behind, why Kenya's Public properties and assets are sold in sinister motives involving Libyan Government, why Atur Brothers still have connections and interests in Kenya, why during 2007 and 2008 Kibaki frequented visits and contacts to?Uganda to meet and discuss matters of high integrity with Yoweri Museveni,?? wether promisory sale of?Migingo was part of these visits and?discussions.? ? Sensing danger or loss through Hague?way or otherwise, PNU?strategy is to drive Kenya to Civil War with Mungiki including neighbouring millitia?armed gangs including Uganda and Somalia from North Eastern, and thats the reason for selling Migingo Island, as well as Kalonzo Mutua visits to North Eastern into Somalia?last year 2008.??Peace Accord is irrelevant if Kibaki is using police terror to silence citizens,?while misbehaving by?Auctioning Kenya. ? Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with Cartels have holed up all campaign money for re-election, awaiting their favourite candidate?whom they will?sponsor to preserve their interests, be it?the Youth or some Old Guards.? It is clear all to see, PM Raila is not accorded Administrative powers to lead in 50/50 sharing of the Government as agreed in the accord. ? Let us be fair.? The sing song of Coalition Government not working is PNU AGENDA. They want to cause derrailment, so they can remain and take it all.? They are looking for ways and means to get ODM frustrated so they quit.? We want to see 50/50 share before we begin hoolabaloo.? This will require FORCE, because PNU with their domo domo errand boys are Kibaki's padlock on PM Raila and ODM.? The Kenyans and the United Nations must?together?excert force, before more stricter measures are influenced for enforcement, wether PNU likes it or not. ? Security here is?therefore a global?concern (today a National public interest is a Global Concern) and it is important United Nations put a keen eye on Kenya.? The security personnel are also Kenyans and are human beings, they must not take order for the sake of taking orders, there are consequences.? They have to do what is right in the eyes of Kenya and?the?world or else they too face?charges of being arrainged to Hague. ? Yes, we know Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with Cartels have agents all over the world, we know the machination of confusing Kenyan Youths to look the otherside when Kenya is Auctioned was also hatched, we know that Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort with cartels have plan B to take leadership through another channel, incase they are convicted and penalized from participating in election, we know they planned to kill all witnesses or genocide survivors to erase evidence, we know they have given Saitoti control of police silently to rule the country under police state, we know they are not commited to Reform, Reconcilliation and Rehabilitation.? We know they are not committed to the Grand Coalition Government and have devised methods to frustrate PM Raila and derail ODM team.??We know they do not appreciate and?have ungrateful agents to scandalize Kofi?Annan and that they do not honor the Coalition agreement as well as they disregarded the Reform Agenda 4 Pact.?So PM Raila and ODM should not fall in their trap game plan.? It is from here we will sieve chaff from the grain.? Once the accused are arraigned to Hague, President Kibaki topping the list of the accused will lead the team to Hague and it will therefore mean Kofi Annan with eminent personalities with the United Nations Select Committee will automatically step in to dismantle the Coalition Government.?No doubt, Kenya is a failed?State.? Therefore PM Raila with ODM Team should not step out before that is done. ? For any meaningful reform or leadership is charted out, first things first,?which includes ? 1) Taking immediate legal action to those who committed?planned organized genocide before and after election.? FBI and The Hague must step into Kenya immediately 2) Reform Agenda No. 4 must be completed.? Kofi Annan and United Nation with eminent personalities must join to chart out strategic planning for an Interim Government to complete the Grand Coalition assignment of the reform agenda No. 4 3) The proper appointment of Electoral Body must be instituted with credible Judicial legal Institution set up not with the current Justice Gicheru 4) Overhaul of the Police force must be instituted with a new police boss 5) Freedom of expression by Media, Civil Society, NGOs, Faith Based?as well as Individuals with indipendent minds 6) Campaign funds must be set aside by the United Nations Organizing Team 7) Chief Justice Gicheru and Muhoho must quit Government's public office 8) Justice system must be overhauled 9) ODM must have detailed information and access to all Donor Funding into the Country Kenya as well as they must have a say in their disbursments to projects and programs ? Kenya is a peaceful Country over the years, but this trend of selfishness has gone too far.? The Country cannot heal before culprits who caused too much pain with human loss goes unpunished.? The Law must take its due course and corruption must end with all tax payers money stolen recovered so that a repeate of such action should?be discouraged in the future.? Kenya is sick and tired of such killings every election time, and it has become a fashion.? You can tell from the way PNU fellows behave and braggs. ? If PM Raila resigns and runs away before Kofi Annan steps in, people will?believe he is trying to cover up the rot for Kibaki and PNU.? By staying inside the coalition government the truth?will be?unveiled some of which have surfaced we now?know, such like, ?Kibaki curved the Judiciary for his PNU and Cartels interest, he has made it difficult for ODM to survive in the coalition by denying them 50/50 share of the rulership - it is not that it cannot work, they are just?gluttons, he put Uhuru to steal money from Finance Department on behalf of PNU where he colluded with Muhoho to defraud Kenya Revenue public utility from billions of shillings?(Airport saga) of tax payers by insisting Muhoho stays put in public office, the Police Mr. Ali is running the government by fear and terror of police shooting (innocent until proved guilty) to kill?citizens like animanls gone amok. He defies PM Raila request of sacking CJ Gicheru because of mulpractices in Judiciary, Kibaki not complying with reform agenda #4 with requirement?of 50/50 control share of?Coalition Government?as is?stated in the coalition?agreement. He has also defied Common Sense to remove corrupt leaders from public office and the cabinet. ? Kenyans to achieve genuine reform,? Bado Mapambano......... ? Thanks, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Raila hits out at Kibaki for ?opposing? him Prime Minister Raila Odinga at a public rally in Makadara, Nairobi on Sunday. PHOTO/WILLIAM OERI?? By?LUCAS BARASAPosted?Sunday, April 5?2009?at?20:22 Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday for the first time since the coalition government was formed, launched a major direct attack on President Kibaki. He accused the Head of State of contradicting him in major government decisions, among other things. Related Stories Kibaki and Raila retreat to take stock of coalition Annan clears air on Geneva talks Why Kibaki and Raila can?t sack Sacking Cabinet rebels a tall order for Kibaki Why Kibaki called off Cabinet talks The PM made the remarks during a public rally at Nairobi?s Makongeni grounds, a day after the collapse of crucial talks on management of the year-old coalition. In what appeared to be souring of the relations, Mr Odinga said it was wrong for the President to always give different opinions from his on matters of national importance. A hard-talking Mr Odinga gave the example of his stand on judicial reforms when he had called for the removal of Chief Justice Evan Gicheru. But President Kibaki has since expressed confidence in the CJ. Contradicts me ?As the Prime Minister speaks and the other one (President Kibaki) contradicts me... There should be respect from both sides,? the PM said. The PM said ODM was in the coalition on its own right after it ?won? the 2007 elections but was rigged out. ?Even a toddler and insane people know the results of the last elections.? The ODM leader said his party agreed to join the coalition since most of its followers were being killed and for the sake of peace and stability. Mr Odinga, who in the recent past had avoided attacking his main coalition partner and insisted all was well between them, seemed disturbed by the collapse of the Kilaguni talks. He was accompanied by assistant minister Elizabeth Ongoro, nominated MP Musa Sirma and former Makadara MP Reuben Ndolo. ? BY STANDARD TEAM Prime Minister Raila Odinga launched a vicious attack on President Kibaki over the slow pace of reforms even as Justice Minister Martha Karua gave the strongest hint that she would quit Government. Raila?s attack on the President ? the first since the Coalition Government was formed a year ago ? came only a day after a retreat by a committee of Cabinet ministers ended in disarray on Saturday. Raila warned that ODM could pull out if comprehensive reforms were not put in place. This happened even Karua said she could quit her Cabinet position if she was not given a free hand in running the affairs of her ministry. President Kibaki last week appointed seven judges without her knowledge. Raila on his part, while addressing a rally at Makongeni estate in Nairobi Sunday, asked: "What kind of Government are we leading yet when I speak as the Prime Minister and he (Kibaki) contradicts me?" But Kibaki was not there to defend himself against Raila?s accusations, having left the country for a regional meeting in Zambia, leaving that task to Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and other ministers. Raila walked out Speaking only a day after the stalled talks at Kilaguni Serena Lodge, Raila said: "He (Kibaki) has no respect for me. Respect is a two-way traffic. We have been patient enough. We signed the National Accord to restore peace but we are being taken for granted. From today we will go back to the people and demand reforms," Raila said. Raila said he was convinced that ODM won the 2007 General Election and so would not hesitate to return to the ballot. On her part, Karua left no doubts about her imminent departure from Government. "I have done a lot as a backbencher," Karua said at St Stephen?s Church on Jogoo Road, where ODM politicians were in attendance. "Mtu akikupa jembe halafu akufunge mikono, utawezaje kuifanya hiyo kazi? (How can you perform a task when someone gives you a hoe and then ties your hands?)" After the collapse of the coalition talks at Kilaguni Serena Lodge in Tsavo West game reserve Kibaki and Raila?s parties gave different versions of what led to the collapse of the retreat. Kibaki?s Party of National Unity PNU issued a press statement in Nairobi Sunday, reacting to Raila?s on Saturday evening, accusing him of walking out on Kibaki. Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka who read PNU?s statement accompanied by seven ministers and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, flanked by 23 MPs and seven Cabinet ministers at the Serena Hotel in Nairobi declared that in spite of the Saturday events, "the grand coalition is not about to collapse because no one is talking about running away from the coalition." Transport minister Ali Mwakwere accused ODM of exhibiting arrogance for leaving the talks and claimed Raila walked out on Kibaki. Uhuru accused ODM of trying to push for the recruitment and appointments into the armed forces on party lines. "ODM wants PNU and ODM military officers," said Kenyatta who also accused Raila of refusing to "meet the President at some stage." Internal Security minister George Saitoti claimed the coalition "is not collapsing as portrayed in the media" but accused ODM of introducing an agenda that could not be discussed at Kilaguni. Battle over jobs Musyoka claimed the talks collapsed because ODM sprung an agenda on PNU about constitution of the Armed Forces, appointments to diplomatic missions and civil service that he alleged could not be discussed by the Permanent Committee on the Management of the Grand Coalition Affairs or outside comprehensive review of the Constitution. He also alleged that ODM wanted to discuss Government Spokesman Dr Alfred Mutua and Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura and re-negotiate the National Accord. "It is clear that out coalition partners are seeking re-negotiation of the February 2008 National Accord," said the VP who also alleged that PNU wanted to discuss fast implementation of Agenda 4 on long term solutions to Kenya?s problems, impunity and review implementation of the National Accord. But ODM disputed documents issued by Musyoka. The PM?s office immediately released documents and claimed copies of reports issued by PNU at its press briefing yesterday were falsified, selective and a misrepresentation of proceedings between the two parties before and after the abortive retreat. Two centres of power Both parties, however, were in agreement that a pre-retreat agenda and programme had been published after extensive consultations. Reactions to the stalemate were varied. The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) chairman Dr Bonny Khalwale, Assistant Minister Silvester Wakoli and Matungu MP David Were called on Kibaki and Raila to take full charge of their coalition blocs and move the country forward. Wakoli said Kibaki and Raila may be genuine in their dealings but their close political lieutenants are behind the friction in the Coalition Government. Khalwale said Kibaki and Raila should adhere to the National Accord and work together instead of engaging in fights for political supremacy. "It is coming out clearly that we have two centres of power and Kenyans need to brace for hard times," said Khalwale who is the Ikolomani MP. Speaking on Saturday, Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi said time could be running out for the full implementation of Agenda Four of the National Accord. Echoing Chief Mediator Kofi Annan?s sentiments, Mudavadi said Kenya has just 15 months to implement the reform agenda, adding that the country should not wait any longer. Mudavadi noted that there are over 1.2 million people in the voters? register who have since died. "After 15 months, implementation of the reform agenda might be hard because we would have neared the General Election," he said. Yesterday, Mudavadi said those calling for elections now are misleading the country. "The country is yet to deal with the issue of impunity, a new Constitution and a new electoral body," said Mudavadi, who is also the Sabatia legislator. Mudavadi was speaking at the launch of Sabatia Constituency strategic plan at Moi Girls, Vokoli. ? Kibaki dismisses lawyers? petition against Gicheru Kibaki rules out suspension of projects If we allow leaders to go astray morally, the nation will go down with them Raila can lead reforms if accorded real share of power Kibaki pledges to fight impunity By Martin Mutua and Leonard Korir President Kibaki has backed embattled Chief Justice Evan Gicheru and dismissed a petition by the Law society of Kenya against him. In the petition, LSK had requested the President to appoint a tribunal to investigate the CJ. But the Head of State said he had studied the petition and found it had no merit to warrant him to institute a tribunal. In a letter to LSK Chairman Okong?o Omogeni, by the Head of the Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura, the President expressed confidence in Gicheru. "In that regard, I am directed by his Excellency the President to inform you that he has studied the petition you presented to him through the Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs and has concluded that the petition is without merit," Muthaura?s letter reads in part. The letter added: "Furthermore, His Excellency the President has no reason to doubt the ability of Chief Justice Evans Gicheru to discharge the responsibilities of his office." Security of tenure The move slams the door against attempts to outs Gicheru, who enjoys security of tenure. And it comes a day after the President appeared to pull the rug from under the feet of Justice Minister Martha Karua, who was kept in the dark over the swearing in of seven new judges on Thursday. The appointments elicited mixed reactions with some lawyers and commentators dismissing them as cosmetic and falling short of wide-ranging reforms needed in the Judiciary. Yesterday, a beaming Gicheru confirmed that Karua was not consulted over the appointment of new judges, since she was not a member of the Judicial Service Commission. "Why should someone who is not a member of the commission be concerned when the President is exercising his powers?" he asked. He added that it was not the Chief Justice?s work to appoint judges but he was consulted as a member of the commission. The CJ was speaking during the official opening of the Kilgoris Law Courts. He urged members of the Judiciary to be independent and professional to erase the public perception that they are corrupt. Not a barrier He also dismissed claims that he was part of the team derailing reforms in the Judiciary. Last month, lawyers petitioned President Kibaki to constitute a tribunal to probe Gicheru?s suitability for the job. LSK had also blamed the CJ for inefficiency, failing to effect necessary reforms and asked him to resign before they presented the petition to the President. But Gicheru stood his ground, saying he would not quit and defended the Judiciary adding that his reforms had turned around the adminsinstration of justice for the better. At 71 Muhoho reappointed KAA?s CEO Muhoho reappointed KAA boss Why Muhoho?s contract could be renewed Sh308m irregular deal exposed KAA KAA defends position on OneJetOne tender By Beauttah Omanga At 71, Mr George Muhoho was expected to be replaced this week and Kenya Civil Aviation Authority?s board had even endorsed his replacement and instructed him to hand over. On Wednesday Transport Minister Chirau Ali Mwakwere had showed a soft spot for Muhoho but nonetheless, the board did not bet on his reappointment to probably be Kenya?s oldest public sector Chief Executive. According to a local newspaper, the board even went as far as ordering that his signature be struck off the parastatals bank accounts. The board would still have to work with Muhoho. Mwakwere declared yesterday he had given him another year in office because despite his age, he was the best man for the job in the country. "I know Muhoho is not a young man but age does not prevent one from doing an exemplary work. I have decided to extend Muhoho?s tenure by one more year starting today" said Mwakwere. "I cannot trust human resource bodies to point out a qualified Kenyan for me to appoint. I am professional in this field and even in the past, I had to disagree with experts? opinion on appointments,?? Mwakwere said. Muhoho, a former Catholic priest, one the closest confidants of President Kibaki from his days as Democratic Party presidential candidate and leader and a brother of Kenya?s first First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta, is a man on the roll and age is just but a number. He clinched renewal at the helm of what should be a techno-savvy organisation that manages Kenya?s airports despite accusations of having juggled demands of public office and management of Kibaki?s presidential campaigns in 2007. Muhoho, who is uncle to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, was reappointed the same week that Mwakwere terminated a Sh2.9 billion Build Operate and Transfer contract KAA had given a foreign firm with Sri Lankan links. Lucrative contract The award went to the firm despite lamentation the national carrier, Kenya Airways, had been sidestepped and that the advertisement was vague. In cancelling the lucrative contract, the minister conceded it had ?errors?. Addressing a press conference in his office yesterday, the minister dismissed as unfounded accusations levelled against Muhoho and challenged those with evidence to produce it. He said he was surprised that the MD was being accused of wrong doings soon after he left office. He denied ever having received any graft allegations against Muhoho that would compel him to deny him an extension of his term. "It surprises me that all manner of accusations are being made now after Muhoho left office. Let those with tangible evidence against him bring that evidence to me and I will act," said the minister. ? How Annan defused tension between Kibaki and Raila By Oscar Obonyo A day after he landed in the country on a peace mission, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan found himself in an awkward situation. He hosted President Kibaki and Mr Raila Odinga in tension packed meeting. Coming against the backdrop of claims of a "stolen election" and ongoing bloody violence, Annan observes the two were uncomfortable with each other and he did much of the talking to ease tension in the room. The three were holed up in the President?s Harambee Office as the entire country waited outside with bated breath. And for the more than one hour, the tense "meeting" was punctuated with silence, except for a few ice-breaking interjections from Annan. The chief mediator observes it was like trying to arrange a marriage for partners who are not ready. The two principals with team of Eminent Persons. These events were unfolding at a time when hostility between the two camps was at the peak and Raila and the ODM brigade had outrightly refused to recognise Kibaki as President, let alone utter the word "president" in reference to the PNU leader. In his first public revelation of what ?actually? transpired at the closed door meeting, the former UN boss confesses nothing much really happened: "Yet, lots of people thought we were having serious discussions." He says the body language of the two leaders was quite telling: "It was very stiff, but this remained unchanged because they knew each other so well. They had too much history, which we knew. So in fact, after we had gone through the preliminary discussions, I told them why I thought they should shake hands." But what followed was torturous experience for Annan and the two principals. They were kept waiting in the room for more than an hour because of a podium and a microphone. Kibaki and Raila could not talk or look at each other. The tension was unbearable. "I talked to them about conflicts and what?s going on in Africa and trying to get them to engage in the situation in the country, and the need for them to act. But they were not ready (to chat), so I didn?t push. So I tried to talk to them about other things," recollects Annan. The Harambee House meeting was preceded by a protocol war staged by Raila and his ODM brigade. During a meeting at ODM?s Pentagon House, Raila warned Annan that he would boycott any scheduled meetings between him and Kibaki if held at State House. "We won?t go to the State House because in doing so, it?s a recognition of the President," the PM was categorical. Protocol wars "Let?s get the appointment and then we?ll worry about the protocol side of it," was Annan?s response. Indeed, the renowned diplomat succeeded to finally bring the two leaders together in a record 48 hours, after stepping on the Kenyan soil. "I saw Odinga first and then saw the President. I told Odinga, ?look, the two of you have to work together, the two of you have to save this situation," he said. When he reached out to the President, he immediately agreed to a meeting under ODM?s terms. Eventually, the two leaders came face-to-face for the first time at 4.30pm on January 23, last year, since the breakout of the post-election violence. Although "nothing much" happened between the two leaders (in terms of dialogue), Annan was an elated man. This is the moment he had been craving for, to stage-manage the now famous handshake. "My first acts on the second day of my arrival was to get the two leaders together in public for them to shake hands, and send a message to the people ? to those groups that were killing each other: ?Here are the leaders shaking hands, so hold your horses," he says. On their way out of Harambee House, Annan thought that since there was such tension between Kibaki and Raila, it would be a miscalculation for him to bring the two together to negotiate. Tension at Harambee House "A handshake was fine, but to get them into straightforward negotiations given the tensions may in fact complicate matters and blow up everything," he states. He accordingly opted to defuse the tension by giving the two principals a sense that they would be involved in the peace deliberations but not immediately through confronting each other. Instead he asked them to select three representatives each at the talks. When eventually this arrangement stalled midway, he handed the process over to the two leaders ? by then tension between them had gradually simmered. But still Kibaki declined to cooperate stating "the Constitution says it?s difficult." "I said ?We brought a lawyer in, and Mr President I think it can be done?, as he asked for Attorney General Amos Wako." Wako was brought in as Raila, feeling "lonely and unrepresented", insisted on getting his lawyer (Lands Minister James Orengo) too. With the paperwork finally in the hands of the two experts, Annan observes, the deal was good as sealed. Kenya accused of waging half-hearted war on graft British Foreign Secretary David Miliband. Photo/FILE? By?NATION CorrespondentPosted?Friday, April 3?2009?at?20:31 ? The British government has accused Kenyan leaders of doing little to eliminate impunity and fight corruption. Speaking during debate in the House of Commons, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband also criticised Kenya?s Parliament for failing to push for the formation of a special tribunal to try perpetrators of post-election violence. Mr Miliband said Parliament had let one of the best chances of securing justice for violence victims go begging. Some 1,133 people were killed and 600,000 displaced from their homes during the post-poll mayhem. Mr Miliband said Britain remained concerned about the country?s future and emphasised the need for progress in the National Accord reform agenda to prevent a repeat of the crisis. ?We remain concerned about the country?s future. There are signs that the reform process begun 15 months ago might be losing momentum,? he said. He accused the Grand Coalition Government of making insufficient efforts to end impunity and address corruption. ?Corruption and mismanagement are still significant problems. Recent allegations underline why Kenyans are calling on their government to show that they are accountable and transparent and to uphold the rule of law,? he added. Mr Miliband warned that unless the pace of political reform picks up, the country?s outlook was bleak. ?We want progress on the National Accord in order to avoid a repeat of last year?s violence,? the Foreign secretary added. The British government?s call comes a few days after a Kenyan government delegation returned from Geneva, Switzerland, where they attended a conference dubbed ?Kenya National Dialogue: One year Later?. The conference sought to appraise the government?s progress one year after the formation of the Grand Coalition Government. Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi led the government delegation that comprised Cabinet ministers Martha Karua, James Orengo, Moses Wetang?ula and Sally Kosgei and Attorney-General Amos Wako. During the conference, the International Criminal Court warned of swift action on the Kenyan case if Parliament fails to establish a local tribunal to try the poll chaos suspects. ICC?s intervention, a special advisor to the chief prosecutor, Mr Louis Moreno-Ocampo warned, will be relentless, firm and unstoppable. Ms Beatrice le Fraper Du Hellen said The Hague started collecting information on the crimes against humanity after the 2007 elections in December and will not take long to issue warrants of arrest to suspected architects of the violence once it takes up the case. ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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This country has had leaders only once,i believe the team who fought for our independence were the leaders,since then no single leader has ever been born.. i would appeal to Mothers of this nation,please bear us leaders. regards, Henry --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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To socialize, connect and network. > 2. Finalize about the upcoming community service project: - A visit to > children Home this Saturday, 11th, April 2009. > 3. Get details of the LYP Get-Together slated on Saturday, 25th April 2009. > 4. Get updates of the LYP Seminar to be held on May 7th, 2009. > 5. Discussion of the meeting: - Does Your Academic Background Relate/Matter > To Your Daily Occupation. > > Come all and bring your friends too?????. > > > > -- > Regards > YP_Ke Group Moderator > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Mathews wrote: > How are parking arrangements? Please advice. > > On 4/7/09, moderator youngprofessionals_ke gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> We shall have our 5th LYP meeting tomorrow, Wednesday 8/4/09 at Marble >> Arch Hotel from 6:00pm - 7:30 pm. >> >> * * >> >> *The Agenda for the Meeting:-* >> 1. To socialize, connect and network. >> 2. Finalize about the upcoming community service project: - A visit to >> children Home this Saturday, 11th, April 2009. >> 3. Get details of the LYP Get-Together slated on Saturday, 25th April >> 2009. >> 4. Get updates of the LYP Seminar to be held on May 7th, 2009. >> 5. Discussion of the meeting: - Does Your Academic Background >> Relate/Matter To Your Daily Occupation. >> >> Come all and bring your friends too?????. >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> YP_Ke Group Moderator >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mathews O. Ogutu > ICT Consultant > P.O.Box 3337 00100 > Nairobi > Cell: > 254-723-714 000 > Alt E-mail:- mathewsogutu at yahoo.com > > > -- Daniel Nyutu Strategy Analyst Strategic Leadership Center International Horton Court, P.O. Box 3124-00100 Nairobi, Kenya. Tel: 3872252/ 3877637/ 2067622 Email: dnyutu at gmail.com Cell: 0728-200075 "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein (Attributed) US (German born) Physicist (1879-1955) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From sebyyke at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 18:52:27 2009 From: sebyyke at yahoo.com (Sebastian Onyango) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP Message-ID: <312584.92016.qm@web63304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Barack, ? I agree with your sentiments almost in total!! There is no coalition government and as things stand you only need to know that according to the ruling mafia, Raila is already out! The question they are groping with is just how to do away with him totally? ? There are two scenarios! Ruto is likely to be offered the PM role should Raila attempt to pull out and as we all know, he will accept it as deputy leader of ODM becuase arrangements have been and are being made to soothe him and crwon him as head of Kalenjin leadership with fake goodies to make?him dump mainstream ODM for cooperation with PNU. The release of Kibor is just to prepare the way although we know that he should have been released long time ago. ? The other scenario is where Raila decides to stay put untill 2012 as PM as he has stated but has no say in government becuase all the instruments of power are going to be withdrawn given that ODM is already lameduck, thanks to the neophytes who entered parliament the other day. In this scenario Kibaki is going to crawl back to full presidential power and ignore the coalition law in total. Then he will start firing and hiring at will to appease the group I am talking about so that they can cause maximum damage to ODM. The appointment of judges was just to test the waters! Just watch what is going to happen.That is why I agree with you that Agwambo has boxed himself into a tight corner. ? The only sad thing is that this government does not stand for the interest of Kenyans including our Kikuyu brothers save for the children of homegaurds who have taken over from their fathers and will inevitably hand over power to their own children to the exclusion of the the rest of kenyans, including the true?children of?freedom fighters?who have nothing to show for the labour of their forefathers except being reffered to as poor, mungiki, touts etc. ? As for 2012, Raila and company must forget! APs and the provincial administration are already being prepared for rigging of the 2012 election! Just look at the procurement votes for these two departments of goevernment to understand what awaits those dreaming of 2012 and how this mafias operate! As for the military you just need to know what is happening with promotions there! The massacre that will take place in 2012 should kenyans attempt an uprising will dwarf any that has ever happened. ? That is why I submit that waiting for 2012 is not the answer! If Kenyans forced Moi to repael section 2A and introduce multiparty without a single MP in parliament supporting them, Kenyans can change everything with even a lameduck PM provided he is willing to take the gamble and provide leadership! After all in politics you must always take a risk! ? But come to think of it! If you can cheat death then you can also cheat your enemy atleast more than once! This is the puzzle that must be broken!! Otherwise Kenyans should forget ever removing these mafias, who feed on the blood of their own children, from power. ? Sebastian ? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, barack abonyo wrote: From: barack abonyo Subject: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite.org, editor at majimbokenya.com, editorial at eastandard.net, africa-oped at yahoogroups.com, "youngprofessionals" , progressiveminds at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:54 PM It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect?in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed,?the public especially those who belonged to the opposition?questioned?if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority.? From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. ? As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs ? While many were not convinced that ODM?was given?a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. ? My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge??The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he???No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. ? The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that?prime minister becomes a? toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages?here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa.. ? My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to?do something about?it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and?ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. ? Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! 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URL: From beatspat at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 08:19:02 2009 From: beatspat at yahoo.com (Beatrice Karuga) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 05:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Message-ID: <861371.44517.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please people you can all shout and scream or whatever but i tell you this,all politicians regardless of tribe or political affliation dont give a damn about you or your families.Incase you havent noticed its survival for the fittest.The richest and most gredy folks are the politicians, in public they fight alot but in the comfort of their homes and private social gatherings they are the best of friends!.YES and guess what they even laugh at how naive kenyans are especially the youth. ? Instead of focussing our energy on hate and vengeance how about coing up with ideas that can propel as? youths to a brighter future as the next generation of leaders. ? Please note , I dont care who won , lost or rigged because that is not important?all i want is to never set eyes on a president above 45 years of age .Now focus on this instead of tribal bickering remember it is just a language but the body composition is the same.Come on now.?? --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Daniel orenge wrote: From: Daniel orenge Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:44 AM I must say that i support Martins view to this issue due to the facts that he has presented that are beyond arguing. Must i remind you Kamau that some of your Central leaders don't have your best interests at heart despit your life giving support for them. Any normal strategist could have forseen the killings that were going to occur in the case of the flawed election, but that wasnt a main concern after all its for the "better good". secondly must i say that the Mungiki sect may not be really what we assume them to be, i.e murderers and extortionists, this group is a result of angry suppresed youth who have been ignored by the govt and are galvanising themselves for the better good of the little they have, and must i say that this a replica of the mau mau who were betrayed by those they died for during pre-independence. Finally, it truely can be annoying to have a house mate who undermines you and is the instigator of most arguments, then your neighbours constantly rank you both us problematic and undisciplined yet one party has most of the wrongs backing him, that falls for the case of Raila, he is a man who stopped low for the better good of the country during the post-election and took the prime ministerial offer to save the countrys economy unlike the hard liners like KIbaki, His wife e.t.c whe really cared less, Centarl kenya or rather the kikuyus have a very biast view in politics and the enormity of self interest is amazing, you do not need the whole countyr to put you in the lime lights so that you realise that there are 48 tribes that exist, think like a kenyan act like one, Raila is a man of vision and command taht we need right now in kenya, we need a leader whose supporters know that there exixstance is cause of him/her, not the opposite....2012 is a tricky election, we the Kisii currently do not have a front runner but definately do not put all our eggs in one basket which is everyones democratic right...good luck to centarl province and there Uhuru Project, but as for me its good luck to Raila and his soon to be announced close ally Martha Karua a true kenyan...i quote again "true kenyan" ? --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote: From: martin njalale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what. ? The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of?????????????????????????? u from central keep quite. ? Mau Forest ..........Same scenario ? ? Airport....................Same ? ? Tribal Bonding..........same ? ? Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by???????????????????????????? by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there ? ? I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself. ? So stop cheating ur self --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: "young" Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution... It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Assuming Jesus delays his 2nd coming to say, 140 years from today, all those who are alive today, will be dead! So, if there is any subject that each one of us should be concerned with, then it must be this one "what happens when one dies?" Why should we? Here are some reasons: -Because the Bible tells us that while others will have a chance to live again, for others, that will be the end! -It will give us an opportunity to prepare now that we have time! So what do we know? Here is what the word of God teaches! -"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten," (Ecclesiastes 9:5.) -There are two kinds of death! The death of a sinner and the death of a saint! -Psalms 116:15 teaches that, "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints." -Ezekiel 33:11-God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. -In the gospels, (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John,) Jesus made it clear that when one dies a christian, he has only gone to sleep! -The only time that a person has to make things right with his or her God, is when that person is a live. Once a person is death, his or her chapter is closed for ever. Nothing done after that will change anything whatsoever -According to John 5:28, at the resurrection, people will be rewarded according to how things were at their death! -I have yet to find a passage in the Bible that tells us that at death, one turns into an angel or a saint! Indeed, I will be interested to know! -Only the living God has the knowledge of ones status at death. You and I can not with certainty tell who will go to heave or who will be lost! That is God's prerogative! This is one subject that I plead with all to examine and re-examine all that we have been taught and come up with the proper understanding. I will sure continue the search with an open mind! How about you? Blessings. Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From njukia2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 09:19:08 2009 From: njukia2000 at yahoo.com (alex ndung'u) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Resignations: My view In-Reply-To: References: <531667.83547.qm@web54206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <575645.85504.qm@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448045.3930.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I believe that whereas the resignations may be good or bad depending on ones view point, what matters at the end of the day is what impact it will have on us as the common wananchi. It may or may not boost the political career of an individual politician whether they resign or not. To me, if I was to be asked, I wish 75% or more of the cabinet could resign, which would save us a lot of money as a country. However, due to their individual selfish interests, you can bet none of them, however discontent they are, will resign. If they will do so, it will only be because they envisage a bigger piece if the pie in the near future. This will thus not be resignations with the country's interests in mind but their own selfish interests in mind. I like what one Pastor friend once said: When we had a standard 8 graduate for a president, flour was at 40bob. In 2002, we pinned all our hopes on some individuals , even changed gospel songs and forgot about God. By 2007, people were divided and some said Kibaki should remain, others said he should go and we have Raila instead, while a third group said we should have none of the two and instead have Kalonzo. We still did not look up to God. God in his mercy gave us all three and the fact is that instead of things getting better, they have moved from bad to worse. We now have a good economist, good engineer and good lawyer holding the top three positions. The result- with the standard 8 graduate, unga was 40/=. Nowadays,?even hits 120/= at various times. We have all three that majority of Kenyans desired, but corruption has increased showing they all condone it, as much as they all speak against it - actions prove otherwise(they all campaigned on a zero tolerance platform), prices for basic commodities have short up (they all said they want to improve our welfare), and more Kenyans are not sure where we are headed, since even our land is being sold to foreigners and whatever is not being sold, foreigners are being allowed to grab it. My take is that probably it is only a few or none of the Politicians in parliament who have the country at heart. Their refusal to pay taxes, take a bold stand against corruption, etc, point to a country devoid of leadership and in deep need to pray that God will raise leaders in this country who will be servant leaders. At the moment, show me any one of the leaders in the August house who is not after fulfilling their own interests and I will be happy. To them, its self before country. I pray God will give us selfless leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. And as God gives us selfless leaders, I pray God will first give us selfless Kenyans who will see beyond their tribe and tribal leaders, since its the same Kenyans whom He will probably use to elect selfless leaders. God bless Kenya and deliver us from evil. That is my view. Njukia. ________________________________ From: paul kamau To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 3:24:10 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET Guys! guys! guys! I believe we call ourselves young proffesionals because we are liberated intellectually and indeed socially, going by the current debate, the inclination most of us are taking is way too tribal. Let Martha alone and like Hon Odinga said, "She is exercising her democrating right " and being a schema that she is (she has pulled enough bold stances that none of the current political 'crop' can dare try...remember she walked out on Moi when no one else could, back then in a Kirinyaga public rally.). It looks like most of us are not conversant with the political gimmicks that have endeared and made Wangari enough friends and foes. PEOPLE. Lets not take political stands because at the end of the day it will look, feel and indeed be tribal. Lets stand ?for a new Kenya that has right thinking politicians who are not hell bent on sucking us to the last drop. If any...i mean any politician feels like sending a 'shocker' let them be but dont poke your nose tribally or read ?too much tribal notes. Paul ________________________________ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:38:22 -0700 From: nyatawo at yahoo.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com We all need to recognize that the fact that Karua has done the right thing she need to be congratulated for that. Going forward it is premature to begin taking any stock yet as to how we need to treat her. Before 2002. I would have not raised any issues with regard to character of such individuals such as Martha. However a peep at the history of individuals like Kiraitu, Martha, Kibwana tells us something else about? what they really stand for.? Martha had?great opportunities to fast track the reforms which we are all desperate for?but like Kiraitu before her she did not seize the moment. Her reform credentials?lies in?ruins just like the Kibwana's and Kiraitus. I am not convinced that even Raila can convince?of his?reform agenda. These guys pale in the shadows of the likes of Waruru Kanja who stood in the house against all the odds when Ouko was murdered and voiced his concerns when the likes of Kibaki and Aringo were waxing lyricals to Moi. Yes, Moi Sacked Waruru but he remains my hero till today because he had the guts to look Moi in the eye and tell him that what was going on under his watch was wrong. That was true leadership. He had no time for sycophancy and servitude. The problem with us Kenyan is that we tend to be sympathetic to these demigods. Personally I am yet to see any of the current politicians worthy of his/her salt. They lack?basic principles and consitency which make the Obamas of this world stand out.? Power easily get into their heads and they?end up doing things which makes your jaws drop and leaves one in?absolute bewilderment. Sorry Martha it is a case of too little too late.??? ________________________________ From: kithinji Eric To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:43:08 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET guys' just look at the name of the sender and you can predict what he/she is about to say. this fact in a big way discourages me and dimininishes my hopes that we are on the way to building an united Kenya. Lets be sober and address issues. I think its too early to judge Martha. The fact is?that?she walked out because her reform agenda was snobbed. By this fact alone she deserves credit. after this lets be indifferent and see the path she takes. this will give us the base to judge her. one cannot pretend for a long time. We are soon to see her true selve. God bless... Eric. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: From: Jayne Wachira Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:15 AM What elections were stolen?? Who stole what? What percentage was stolen? It very sad and agonising that we have to keep dwelling on the past yet we have the future ahead of us............ It doesnt help anyone when you go preaching elections were stolen yet the people you claim won?those elections siphoned strategic reserved maize to Sudan?na wakateremusha na mafuta (Tritton saga) while Kenyans are dying of hunger ? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, barack abonyo wrote: Martha has to repent for the? stealing election and violence?that followed before people of virtue can start?following?her. She may redeem herself?by vilifying Kibaki government. She must make Kibaki her primary target after which she will have to forcus on the person Kibaki annoints. Some of the things she can start doing is talking about?how the election was?stolen, grand corruption, weakness of the attoney general, the judiciary and the president himself. She has to start delinking herself from what happened and what is happenning. It is going to take a miracle for peace loving Kenyans to support Karua. Miracles happen though. Barack ? ________________________________ From: iscwn at hotmail.com To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] KARUA Resignation - A BIG REGRET Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:16:34 +0000 ? Martha Karua has shown dynamism and?pragmatic as a leader in the recent past. She of cause made certain mistakes in the past, but she?proved to be?a quick learner?by changing?cause and acknowledging past mistakes including the stealing of?2007 elections. I have admired her determination recently to go for the top seat and her?campaign against leadership ascendency?by virtue of who your?father is or was rather that your?OWN ability and contribution the country. ? Her resignation as Justice Minister is BAD for?Kenya's?political development and maturity, and particularly at this time where her vigour, clear mind and commitment to?Reform Agenda was mostly needed to help Kenya move out of the current political quagmire it finds itself in. The prospect of Uhuru-Kalonza or Saitoti? axis?is more frightening than we are currently capable to imagine. ? GOD BLESS KENYA AS WE PRAY ? ? Odus ? ________________________________ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:37:26 +0300 Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Martha Quits- Don clap for nothing From: odhiambo at gmail.com To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, wrote: Hey guys, Kenyans are famous for clapping their hands for nothing.? Think first before clapping your hands. Pay day is here. Change has began! Julia, I am taking a wait-and-see approach. I'd be quite delighted though if her departure engineers/catalyzes that change which we've been yearning for. How do you suppose "change has began"? Is she likely to be "real" now? Remember she told ODM to trust the courts and lodge their petition there? I'd like to see how she's gonna bring in the change, and I am praying the MK Mafia don't eliminate her before we get to feel the change! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. ?Naked people have little or no influence on society." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mark Twain From njukia2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 09:27:03 2009 From: njukia2000 at yahoo.com (alex ndung'u) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! In-Reply-To: <181c75910904070500s6fcd17a9icf7da3c170eea2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <181c75910904070500s6fcd17a9icf7da3c170eea2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483628.9943.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well spoken Josiah. Both sides of the political divide are guilty but none has the courage to admit it. They all see the speck in the other's eye but not the log in their own. They should have packed and left when they voted Kivuitu and company should go but being politicians, they used the use and dump method. They dare not leave Parliament before 2012 since it seems they want to "get all they can, can all they get, and sit on the can". Let us be good Kenyans and stop defending them, whichever side they are, since so far, nothing positive seems to be coming out of Parliament despite all parties being there. One thing is for sure- they are all selfish. I stand to be corrected. ________________________________ From: josiah ogalo To: youngprofessionals_ke Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 3:00:07 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! YPS_Ke, Now the Krigler report condemned the manner in which the December 2007 elections were conducted were conducted and the outcome thereof. Now members of this forum go about saying that someone's victory was stolen when in real sense both sides were privy to irregularities committed by the same ECK....talk of double speak! Honestly all the politicians ought NOT to be in office if the very same ECK they condemned went home, this is the same body that handed them the victory as MPS, President......how rightly you condemn a body that prnounced you a winner? I believe honest members of this forum will agree that both ODM and PNU were involved in rigging at some level. If we don't acknowledge this simple fact guys, then we have use trying to talk on transparency and condemning anyone! Let us love the truth and agree that to a large and big extent, we Kenyans have also contributed largely to the rot in our Nation and govertment! We vote along ethnic lines and not on principles, we support political bigotry at the expense of real issues.....A fact not all Kikuyus are eating 3 meals in a day because we have a Kikuyu president, luos are still faced with greater challenges despite Raila being a Prime Minister......Kenyans at large are faced with tough and tight living conditions...regardless of tribe! Our leaders are wrangling about very unimportant issues......when the local mwananchi is faced with extinction and survival! I don't give a damn whether Raila is consulted before new districts are created or whether he is senior in the pecking order or what.....Let him show responsibility by starting to lead the way to other legislators by paying taxe on his hefty allowances......I will may be listen to his call to criticize Kibaki.....who to this very day, I wonder why he is in tha damn seat! My take...guys be honest with each other and debate repectably! Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <558738.37157.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <558738.37157.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB85EEAB3EBFF8-AD0-10EB@webmail-mh47.sysops.aol.com> Okeyo...I found this article to be of great interest...please post. What ails Kenyan Scholarship and Scholars? Last week we (Shadrack Nasong'o, Pamela Akinyi Wadende, Maurice Amutabi, Hilary Kowino, Hannington Ochwada and?David Akombo Akombo) attended a conference at the University of Texas, at Austin.?The theme of the conference was `Science, Technology and Environment in Africa' which for all of us looked straightforward and doable. We were shocked to?see the number of Nigerians that attended the conference from Nigeria and based in Nigerian universities. Of course such comparisons are dangerous but are necessary. Why should there be more Nigerians coming out of Africa than Kenyans? Even if they are many, there needs to be a rational comparison - at least one Kenyan scholar for every ten Nigerians, but there was simply no Kenyan scholar based in Kenya at the conference. As a product of a public university ? the University of Nairobi (when it was still a university worth its name) ? I am always careful not to be cast in bad light, as not appreciative of where I came from and who produced me. Having said that, there are many reasons why such a comparison is mute, but this does not mean that we cannot talk about it. Six of us in Texas wondered why there was no single Kenyan scholar travelling directly from Kenya, at the conference. We asked many questions. Of course we knew the answer to some of the questions, but we asked them a ll the same. We know?why Kenya is rarely?represented at conferences abroad, especially those?of us who taught in public universities in Kenya?before coming to teach in the global North - Nasong'o, Ochwada and myself - and much of it has to do with lack of funds and lack of focus on research back home. It has to do with bad administrators and mediocre Deans who run universities like machines ? interested in producing graduates. The deans are interested in earning allowances for `dozing' at useless meetings such as JAB, work that can be done by two computer programmers. If I was President of Kenya, I would ban JAB meetings ? they have become `eating' meetings and waste of resources. Kenyan universities lack funds but the little that is available is never put to high-quality use. The lack of focus on allocating funds for research has to do with mediocre Deans' committees that cannot provide leadership. Many of the deans are unproductive, regard themselves as administrators rather than scholars. They spend more time strategizing for next elections and bringing witchdoctors to campus, to bewitch their rivals, than on scholarship. I remember the hustles I went through many times in Kenya just to attend a conference in places like the United Kingdom ? only once using funds from the University. I had to fly Aeroflot (Russian Airlines) through Cairo, Karachi, Moscow, Helsinki arriving at Leeds in the United Kingdom, the venue of the conference late! I could only afford Aeroflot ticket,=2 0and had to endure many hours of travel. Further delay was occasioned by the fact that the Office of the President had not cleared me on time and I had to delay for a day in Nairobi. The rest of the conferences I attended outside Kenya between 1992 and 2000 when I left, were sponsored by the Swedes, Canadians, Americans, the British, and South Africans, yes, South Africans, and other foreigners. ?We also know that some universities in Kenya are burdened by teaching, thousands of regular and self-sponsored students, so that many are operating on schedules similar to shifts ? like factories. When the university closes, a new team arrives on campus. The lecturers have no time to do fresh research, always teaching from `yellow notes' some of which are in bad need of updating. There are no enough books, and lecturers are still using theories that have long been revised and revisited a couple of times. We also know that, just like elsewhere, there is a lot of corruption in some institutions in Kenya where funds meant for public projects like research end up in people's private pockets. But we felt that there was a sense in which Kenyan scholars at home and abroad are to blame for the decline of Kenyan scholarship. We noticed that Kenyan scholars based in the United States did not `sponsor' any one at the conference ? by way of sharing a room or paying part of someone's ticket. Some Nigerians based in the US gave out money for hotel rooms, to be shared by scholars from Africa20and African graduate students. ?we also noticed that Nigerian professors had networks where they published books in Nigeria and came to sell them in the United States and vice versa. It was clear that many of the scholars were also visiting various universities in the US, on sabbatical or some form of arranged `visiting' positions. We then realized that despite the systemic malaise back home by our government, we were partly to blame. We agreed that even sharing a conference and scholarship announcement is an important service. How many times have some of our colleagues from Kenyan hosted visiting Kenyans in their houses in the North America? How many Kenyans apply for networking grants compared to Nigerians? How many Kenyans work for international grant-making organizations in the North? How many write grants to IIE (Fulbright) focusing on Kenya? When you look at partnership or networking or `visiting fellowship' grant applicants at the National Humanities Foundation, National Science Foundation, the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Foundation, The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, Woodrow Wilson you rarely see Kenyan professors based in the North making such applications. Why is this individualism so pronounced among Kenyans? Is this a result of ethnicity? Are Kenyan scholars generally aloof and not concerned about those they left behind? Many Nigerian professors hold grants and work with at least one graduate student from Nigeria. For example we noticed that Prof.=2 0Toyin Falola at the University of Texas at Austin has always about ten graduate students pursuing Ph.D degrees under him in any given year but he has always at least five students from Africa (Nigeria) working for him as research assistants (based on his grants) or as teaching assistants at any given time. We were shocked to learn that prominent Kenyan scholars based in North America such as Ali Mazrui, Tabitha Kanogo and late Atieno Odhiambo have not produced many Ph.Ds for Kenya. In fact we discovered that it is Prof. Robert Maxon from West Virginia University and who is a member of KESSA who has contributed more in this regard ? having produced over 10 Kenyan Ph.Ds. ?What does this tell us? We have not explored the capacity and potential to assist Kenya. We also realized that many Nigerian scholars based in the North often go for sabbatical in universities based in Nigeria. Some Kenyan professors would rather spend their sabbatical leaves in South Africa than in Kenyan universities. Well, what is imperative is that universities back in Kenya have not played their role in promoting scholarship ? especially empirical research. Kenyan universities do not have official research grants for research and travel and lecturers and professors are often forced to beg such funds from sympathetic organizations which take the advantage to foreground their own research agenda. But how have Nigerians succeeded in remaining intellectually active and productive. An recent article revealed that Nigeria and South Afr ica account for 70 percent of academic journals based in sub-Saharan Africa! You can also see this at this website: http://www.ajol. org/ Once you get to the site, browse by country and you will be shocked how Kenya is terribly outperformed by Nigeria and South Africa. How do we get out of this slumber and promote Kenyan scholarship and scholars? We cannot blame lack of conference opportunities. KESSA http://kessa. org/?has called for papers since last year for our annual conference in August to take place at Bowling State University, OH but?so far we have received less than 10 abstracts. We chose a very general theme this time round ? development ? in order to capture both physical and social sciences, and as many people as possible. Perhaps we should probably start here in the North, before even beginning to blame scholars based in Kenya, who are working under very hard and difficult circumstances. I applaud Kenyan scholars that are willing to network and support each other, and for those who have submitted abstracts or said they will do so. The deadline is April 20, 2009. ? A very annoyed, Maurice Amutabi. ? 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URL: From blancazippy77 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 07:38:18 2009 From: blancazippy77 at yahoo.com (blanca ngumba) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <780377.40211.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is talking about sex wrong?? ? No sir i dont think,?because its part of us both human and animals so if we who can talk dont talk about it do we expect the animals to talk about it. naaaah ? I mean who has never or will never want to have sex in this forum?? let me see some hands?? Just gessed so. Even if there are virgins here both men and women one day they will want to experince it unless they dont want to which aint a bad idea anyway. ? My collegue to day was talking to his man friend on fone but in different language which he thinks i dont understand but thats my secret. so any way he was lamenting that he was in a very bad mood today coz he was not given his conjugal rights today in the morning by the wifey?and he was very disturbed coz the hormones were killing him. ? The speech continued as i was reading mails from YPs then i came across this topic and was like Alas!!! kwani everyone is on this topic?? ? But Josiah was joking around but i decided to add more on this. ? But my question to the men or ladies whichever, is sex in the morning much better and satifying than that in the evening?? ? Comments, criticism all invited Blancallicious --- On Tue, 4/7/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:30 AM Lol.this thread is funny in its own way. Jensdy, I was wondering the same thing;infact, I imagined the moderator was again AWOL like Kibaki. I mean, the dude?(moderator) just hanged one Mr. Slaid for attempting to give us some jobos in Canada and save us the trauma that is becoming Kenya so I was about to petition serious? censure to the sex gods until I read some more...... ? Dennis, we're not uptight about sex.I was just wondering how to go home because mungiki has littered my highway; wondering how to survive the recession, trying to guess which goon will fill martha's position and looking out for another warlord-ish contributor from my fellow YPs when I read about sex in the morning...next will be in the city..and then on the beach! ? Josiah, I agree with you fundamentally. Just came from a meeting with some senior officer in an international firm with a base in Kenya and this guy just alluded to something very factual about us- we have very little knowledge, if any, about deep seated basic?issues around us and no wonder many YPs have complained about fact-less contributions right here but we'll be amazingly good to even contribute to something that wasnt even there!!nini hii. ? On a parting note, just before Im crucified for being uptight, I do like sex; just dont know what time....but i atleast know it should be when- i have a coin to get me a double shot of brandy; im sure the guy seated next to me aint mungiki;im sure by the time i get home, our block of apartments hasnt changed ownership...to Quataris and when Im not sure about all these, that someone somewhere is crafting how we can be sure. anyway, hope when the next tsunami comes, it wont be in the morning!! ? ? On 4/7/09, Wanjiru Roseweddy wrote: @ Josiah Am interested on Financial/ Economic matters. Like business ideas/ initiatives that can turn around my economic status. I want to be a Millionaire if not a Billionaire (not anything less) by the time we come out of this recession. I hear this is the time to make money?.. ? From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:49 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! ? ? On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, josiah ogalo wrote: Moderator, I wonder, the number of responses to this topic leaves a lot to be desired.....when I post something on world economic/financial matters, nobody dares say or comment anything.....or we don't understand these things? @Josiah, I concur with you. How comes all these hullabaloos are not hear on serious topics? I believe members are free to discuss any topics on this forum, and sex is an important one. Without sex, there is no continuity of race :-) So I think it's the starting point. We just tend to ignore the existence of the topic but it's always here with us. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. ?Naked people have little or no influence on society." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mark Twain --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 21:44:23 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Who is in heaven right now? Message-ID: <98585.97347.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since childhood, we have heard stories; stories about who is in heaven and who is not. Since these stories came from: -Those that we held in high esteem -Our loved ones -Our church, pastor, elders, and fellow believers We not only accepted the stories, but have in one way or the other passed them over! But does that make the stories right? It depends on whom you are talking to. Since most Christians accept the Bible as the word of God, it will help if we do away with tradition, other people's opinion and instead focus on the word. In this way, it will dispel all these misunderstandings. Here is the list of those in heaven according to the sure word of God! -Enoch was translated (taken to heaven a live.) Genesis 5:21-24 -Moses was raised from death and taken to heaven. Deuteronomy 34:5-8, Mathew 17:1-6 -Elijah was taken to heaven. 2 Kings 2:1-11 -The thief at the cross, Luke 23:39-43 -Many of the saints rose on the day Jesus died, Mathew 27:51-53 -The book of Revelation talks of 24 elders What about our loved ones? That will be my next write up! Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From njukia2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 05:22:58 2009 From: njukia2000 at yahoo.com (alex ndung'u) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 02:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Martin Luther King Jr.- The Drum Major Instinct Message-ID: <517751.65012.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I thought this will be a blessing to you guys. Have a great Easter holiday.? Alex --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com Wed Apr 8 02:09:51 2009 From: Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com (Anthony Wangondu) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:09:51 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! In-Reply-To: <594ded440904070718v662434ccl68eb0e2714285828@mail.gmail.com> References: <181c75910904070500s6fcd17a9icf7da3c170eea2b@mail.gmail.com> <594ded440904070718v662434ccl68eb0e2714285828@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB0725877F524AD78@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Josiah, You are absolutely on point! Our focus should be futuristic, I have said this before and I will say it again. No one, in a forum called young professionals, should be telling us about those two guys....after all we all agree one stole and the other killed! So what's the future? To salvage our country we need to seek to influence the new constitution in terms of content (you can sure they will not read the detail), influence the strengthening of our justice system (through bills in parliament, I am sure we can get sponsors for these) and focusing on our economy. We need to start identifying certain MPs with brains and panache and begin working with them behind the scenes, so that we can snatch the advantage from these idiots. Of the 220 guys in the house, I am sure we can identify 30 or 40 (after all, only such a number go to the house anyway) and begin this hard work. I have in mind people like Eugene Wamalwa, Nderitu Muriithi, Peter Kenneth to mention a few. Young Professionals would write its name into the history of this country if we do the following: * Get the 30 or 40 together * Get others technocrats of the same mind (I am thinking Peter Ondeng kind of people) * Put together a secretariat that is technical in orientation * Change the laws fundamentally without anyone, even the press appreciating the extent of the reforms * Sweep out the current culture of politics Tony Blair did this and changed the UK Obama used a similar vehicle Bill Clinton did the same Our strength is that we have a vision for the country, we have skills and ideas to offer and we can do the hard work underground. Let's do it and leave the politicking out of this forum and our lives, and we will rejoice and celebrate when we pull the carpet from underneath these idiots From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Makwiny Sent: 07 April 2009 17:19 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! True, We dont have a government. And dont listen to Krigler. He is part of the game. His mission was simple. Say all parties rigged election. Period. Omera. We are tired. We want the person we gave the mandate to lead us. On 4/7/09, josiah ogalo > wrote: YPS_Ke, Now the Krigler report condemned the manner in which the December 2007 elections were conducted were conducted and the outcome thereof. Now members of this forum go about saying that someone's victory was stolen when in real sense both sides were privy to irregularities committed by the same ECK....talk of double speak! Honestly all the politicians ought NOT to be in office if the very same ECK they condemned went home, this is the same body that handed them the victory as MPS, President......how rightly you condemn a body that prnounced you a winner? I believe honest members of this forum will agree that both ODM and PNU were involved in rigging at some level. If we don't acknowledge this simple fact guys, then we have use trying to talk on transparency and condemning anyone! Let us love the truth and agree that to a large and big extent, we Kenyans have also contributed largely to the rot in our Nation and govertment! We vote along ethnic lines and not on principles, we support political bigotry at the expense of real issues.....A fact not all Kikuyus are eating 3 meals in a day because we have a Kikuyu president, luos are still faced with greater challenges despite Raila being a Prime Minister......Kenyans at large are faced with tough and tight living conditions...regardless of tribe! Our leaders are wrangling about very unimportant issues......when the local mwananchi is faced with extinction and survival! I don't give a damn whether Raila is consulted before new districts are created or whether he is senior in the pecking order or what.....Let him show responsibility by starting to lead the way to other legislators by paying taxe on his hefty allowances......I will may be listen to his call to criticize Kibaki.....who to this very day, I wonder why he is in tha damn seat! My take...guys be honest with each other and debate repectably! Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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And what amuses me is that some of our YP members are busy applauding their every move blindly as though they don't really see that the very existence of our country is at stake here. I heard Raila the other day complain that he does not have a private toilet ,a king size red carpet and other petty issues instead of talking about the draught. I don't walk on a red carpet myself and am not complaining. Our minds have been colonized and not by the mzungu but by our own messed up policies and misplaced priorities. From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ed moses Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:23 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! Now that statement aggrey is one I will toast to! On 4/7/09, Kenyatta Aggrey wrote: @Josiah, I feel u brother.....and now Nyong`o is busy singing bado mapambano on TV while his constituents die of cholera..its nolonger about idelogy but a case of complete mental breakdown on the part of some of leaders especially the so called second liberation bunch of criminals and outright conmen. onyatto. --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Lee Makwiny wrote: From: Lee Makwiny Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 5:18 PM True, We dont have a government. And dont listen to Krigler. He is part of the game. His mission was simple. Say all parties rigged election. Period. Omera. We are tired. We want the person we gave the mandate to lead us.. On 4/7/09, josiah ogalo < MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "uk.mc285.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be josiah.ogalo at gmail.com> wrote: YPS_Ke, Now the Krigler report condemned the manner in which the December 2007 elections were conducted were conducted and the outcome thereof. Now members of this forum go about saying that someone's victory was stolen when in real sense both sides were privy to irregularities committed by the same ECK....talk of double speak! Honestly all the politicians ought NOT to be in office if the very same ECK they condemned went home, this is the same body that handed them the victory as MPS, President......how rightly you condemn a body that prnounced you a winner? I believe honest members of this forum will agree that both ODM and PNU were involved in rigging at some level. If we don't acknowledge this simple fact guys, then we have use trying to talk on transparency and condemning anyone! Let us love the truth and agree that to a large and big extent, we Kenyans have also contributed largely to the rot in our Nation and govertment! We vote along ethnic lines and not on principles, we support political bigotry at the expense of real issues......A fact not all Kikuyus are eating 3 meals in a day because we have a Kikuyu president, luos are still faced with greater challenges despite Raila being a Prime Minister......Kenyans at large are faced with tough and tight living conditions...regardless of tribe! Our leaders are wrangling about very unimportant issues......when the local mwananchi is faced with extinction and survival! I don't give a damn whether Raila is consulted before new districts are created or whether he is senior in the pecking order or what.....Let him show responsibility by starting to lead the way to other legislators by paying taxe on his hefty allowances......I will may be listen to his call to criticize Kibaki.....who to this very day, I wonder why he is in tha damn seat! My take...guys be honest with each other and debate repectably! Regards Josiah Ogalo -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <163640.28834.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D9F0882420BBC40A6E894F7760F1CEC014A3E0A@epkserver.easternproduce.co.ke> Hallo YPs, You guys are stressing the moderator, sorry to say. Who on this earth has ever come across only things that he/she treasures? Does it mean that if you come across what you don't want you have to get rid of it? Who told you that someone else won't come to treasure it? To me, those with such ideas are un-professional, but in my mother tongue we say "they lack exposure" Who said Sex is not a profession? You guys want to tell me that u've never heard of people earning their living thru Sex? To me that's their profession, so I wonder if guys get angry by a topic on sex what if they meet those in that profession. Let there be freedom of expression so long as it's not an attack to someone. Regards, Hussein. ________________________________ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ibrahim kiche Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:24 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello Team Members, Josiah can clarify more on the issue of this subject. I hope the Moderator can give more light on the Objective of the Forums. Hey Felix, Its ok to give views on this and the suggestion of leaving is not a solution to Kenyans issues. This seems more like of Kenyan political issues, so never say die ndugu. I too, I may not like how some members attack our leaders on this site, but in the face of God, we only have Kibaki and Raila as leaders as at now and thats what God has. We need to respect them, but we say the truth. We need to pray for them. Its really time to LOVE, CHERISH and Embrase each other. The Perfect Will of God will be in our Land Kenya. Please, just take heart and encourage Team Members on this. May be this is someones "milk". Sorry if I might have crossed your line. Best Regards, Ibrahim --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Felix Otiato wrote: From: Felix Otiato Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:59 AM FT, I would not unsubscribe because you are posting crap. And in anycase I am not a coward and I will just tell you what I think just the way I think it. This sex maestro(ness) some of you have recently acquired is a thing I used to see with my high school coallegues who have since grown up. It is of course my decision to quit and let me tell you I can make it when i see the need. And the day I will be fully convince there's no value YP can give me I will. The moderator is failing us by allowing people like you ruin the forum which looked like it had potential the day I was subscribed (you heard that). I still believe it has and I will fight from within. He is not a God and we should be allowed to shout at him when he is failing. Muchiri's is the dirtiest thing I have ever read in the forum and the word for it is plain silly. Those according to me are the people we do not need in the forum. I have never had issues with professional debates. But as a professional in the real world (yours sucks) I will continue insisting that there are better issues we can discuss other than sex day in day out. So Frankline, Beat it. You can ban me if you so wish but I would like to invite you over to the real world. You are not the only guys in YP so if you think you will turn us in puppets please think again. PS: that doesn't mean I don't have sex and I do not need you to tell me where I came from. Regards, On 4/7/09, Franklyne Terewa wrote: Now this man Otiato is a professional in another world. How can you comment like that about the moderator and muchiri and claim to be a professional? You are one guy that we dont need anywhere on this forum,if you think what is discussed here does not meet your standards then UNSUBSCRIBE. All proffessions trace their origin to sex,without sex maybe there will be no life,we will continue discussing issues related to sex affecting YPs,bora tuwe na suggestion kama kawaida. On 4/8/09, Felix Otiato wrote: > The moderator is so busy trying to turn YP into a money minting machine. We > have seen that he can control emails into the forum and can even ban. Why he > lets in such stupid posts beats me. There are occassions he has deleted my > criticisms (he can go ahead and delete this too). Are these characters his > friends? And someone like Muchiri (is a senuior guy at capital) can sound > that dumb. We are professional here (OK some of us) and there's nothing > professional about sex. And then again we do not need advice on how and when > to have sex because thats our prerogative. I will keep insisting that the > guy either blocks posts on sex or bans the characters behind the for some > time. If the post was on a complaint about advertising on YP ar the LYP, the > moderator would have taken immediate action. Shame! > > Can't we just grow up! > > > On 4/7/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: >> >> Most us, has someone had said, are not married, why dont we discuss >> something like life in marriage and life as a single man or woman> >> >> 2009/4/7 judy kaiguire >> >>> >>> Blancallicious l like ur approach of biting the bullet..lol! >>> >>> On 4/7/09, blanca ngumba wrote: >>> > Is talking about sex wrong?? >>> > >>> > No sir i dont think, because its part of us both human and animals so >>> > if >>> we >>> > who can talk dont talk about it do we expect the animals to talk about >>> it. >>> > naaaah >>> > >>> > I mean who has never or will never want to have sex in this forum?? let >>> me >>> > see some hands?? >>> > Just gessed so. Even if there are virgins here both men and women one >>> day >>> > they will want to experince it unless they dont want to which aint a >>> > bad >>> > idea anyway. >>> > >>> > My collegue to day was talking to his man friend on fone but in >>> different >>> > language which he thinks i dont understand but thats my secret. so any >>> way >>> > he was lamenting that he was in a very bad mood today coz he was not >>> given >>> > his conjugal rights today in the morning by the wifey and he was very >>> > disturbed coz the hormones were killing him. >>> > >>> > The speech continued as i was reading mails from YPs then i came across >>> this >>> > topic and was like Alas!!! kwani everyone is on this topic?? >>> > >>> > But Josiah was joking around but i decided to add more on this. >>> > >>> > But my question to the men or ladies whichever, is sex in the morning >>> much >>> > better and satifying than that in the evening?? >>> > >>> > Comments, criticism all invited >>> > >>> > Blancallicious >>> > >>> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, ed moses wrote: >>> > >>> > From: ed moses >>> > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >>> > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:30 AM >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Lol.this thread is funny in its own way. Jensdy, I was wondering the >>> same >>> > thing;infact, I imagined the moderator was again AWOL like Kibaki. I >>> mean, >>> > the dude (moderator) just hanged one Mr. Slaid for attempting to give >>> > us >>> > some jobos in Canada and save us the trauma that is becoming Kenya so I >>> was >>> > about to petition serious censure to the sex gods until I read some >>> > more...... >>> > >>> > Dennis, we're not uptight about sex.I was just wondering how to go home >>> > because mungiki has littered my highway; wondering how to survive the >>> > recession, trying to guess which goon will fill martha's position and >>> > looking out for another warlord-ish contributor from my fellow YPs when >>> I >>> > read about sex in the morning...next will be in the city..and then on >>> the >>> > beach! >>> > >>> > Josiah, I agree with you fundamentally. Just came from a meeting with >>> some >>> > senior officer in an international firm with a base in Kenya and this >>> guy >>> > just alluded to something very factual about us- we have very little >>> > knowledge, if any, about deep seated basic issues around us and no >>> wonder >>> > many YPs have complained about fact-less contributions right here but >>> we'll >>> > be amazingly good to even contribute to something that wasnt even >>> > there!!nini hii. >>> > >>> > On a parting note, just before Im crucified for being uptight, I do >>> > like >>> > sex; just dont know what time....but i atleast know it should be when- >>> > i >>> > have a coin to get me a double shot of brandy; im sure the guy seated >>> next >>> > to me aint mungiki;im sure by the time i get home, our block of >>> apartments >>> > hasnt changed ownership...to Quataris and when Im not sure about all >>> these, >>> > that someone somewhere is crafting how we can be sure. anyway, hope >>> > when >>> the >>> > next tsunami comes, it wont be in the morning!! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 4/7/09, Wanjiru Roseweddy wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > @ Josiah >>> > Am interested on Financial/ Economic matters. Like business ideas/ >>> > initiatives that can turn around my economic status. I want to be a >>> > Millionaire if not a Billionaire (not anything less) by the time we >>> > come >>> out >>> > of this recession. I hear this is the time to make money..... >>> > >>> > >>> > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >>> > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Odhiambo >>> > Washington >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:49 AM >>> > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >>> > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Sex in the morning hours!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, josiah ogalo >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Moderator, >>> > I wonder, the number of responses to this topic leaves a lot to be >>> > desired.....when I post something on world economic/financial matters, >>> > nobody dares say or comment anything.....or we don't understand these >>> > things? >>> > >>> > >>> > @Josiah, >>> > >>> > I concur with you. How comes all these hullabaloos are not hear on >>> serious >>> > topics? >>> > >>> > I believe members are free to discuss any topics on this forum, and sex >>> is >>> > an important one. >>> > Without sex, there is no continuity of race :-) >>> > So I think it's the starting point. We just tend to ignore the >>> > existence >>> of >>> > the topic but it's always here with us. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Best regards, >>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> > Nairobi,KE >>> > +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> > "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on >>> > society." >>> > -- Mark Twain >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From kenne2ke at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 06:53:58 2009 From: kenne2ke at yahoo.com (kennedy waweru) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Our poor memory In-Reply-To: References: <531667.83547.qm@web54206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500478.2994.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> What makes our politicians, Leaders and others who have been given such responsibility so bold in undertaking evils without a care of the consequences. Well, the lack of accountability is one reason and more so there are no consequences of anyone who steals, grabs or does any other evil so long as they are well connected. Just think about * the oil saga * maize * activists killings * land grabbing * I heard Eastleigh has been sold to Somalia's Somalis......???? * Laico? * well, to name but a few. Kenyans are peace loving people, who have learned to make noise then forget and go quiet. Maybe that's why these politicians have become so bold in exploiting us. They know that we will demonstrate, make noise then forget about it. Just the other day, the mechanics were causing chaos around globe...i wonder what happend to them, coz they have been silenced now. I want to state that change doesn't have to come through violence. But with Prayer first, then standing together with one voice and saying no. standing for justice, with the poor as well as the rich who care to stand...and stand for long enough. there was an orange movement somewhere outside Kenya...you know what they did??? well, it was not through violence but by uniting together for a common good. God bless Kenya. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From jerry2song at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 06:38:55 2009 From: jerry2song at yahoo.com (Jerry Manu) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 03:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: THE MAFIA ARE IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP NOT KALONZO In-Reply-To: <5718354e0904080300p560ada92wde1e44b7de292540@mail.gmail.com> References: <232489.59032.qm@web63303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <5718354e0904080300p560ada92wde1e44b7de292540@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <897035.37408.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nzuve, Thanks for your remarks only that? this issue of people defending their own or friends is getting to the nerves of kenyans, just as karua has said that we have no confidence in our judicial. We are not trying Kalonzo people are just commenting on what they have mostly had from his own mouth in this case you don't expect them to produce evidence linking him to the same, about rigging what evidence do you want unless you don't live in kenya why had the ECK to go?. Why people are against his remarks on Anan is that there is nothing that has been added to what Anan did look at the 4th agenda is still pending even his number were the parties honest to one another his duties could be performed by the D. prime minister otherwise what is the role of?DPM in PNU he is not?deputising the PM. Otherwise he should be saying my fellow kenyans look at what we have achieved without Anan.? ________________________________ From: Lawrence Nzuve To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:00:31 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: THE MAFIA ARE IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP NOT KALONZO Dear all I had taken some time off from contributing here especially on the political front but allow me just a few words to that effect. I am getting alarmed at the frequency with which contributors here of late have taken to dismissing the vice president and Minster for Home Affairs Hon Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka. It is quite clear that he is a stake holder in the government by the virtual of being the number two man. When we allege that the country is run by Mafioso and such unsavoury personalities, who exactly are we fooling. The constitution of Kenya is clear that the person of the vice president takes charge when the president is away. Maybe that is why that issue was never brought up during the negotiations on power sharing because all agreed that some institutions had better be left intact. Not liking Kalonzo is indeed any ones personal choice but the institution is very important and he can not be accused of being a spoiler to some other people when he is just doing his work as the vice president. Given that last week he said that Dr. Annan cannot be expected to babysit us all our lives, why did some people rush to say he was disrespecting the African gentleman who midwifed our peace? He just stated a fact. WE NEED TO TAKE CHARGE OF OUR LIVES! If the president were to be incapacitated today would he not constitutionally take over. The sharing of power was very straight; the commander in Chief of the Armed Forces was to remain the president and he would appoint the Police commissioner and other members of the disciplined forces. That to me is where real power lies and since the government would be in paralysis, as it almost is..one of them has to be stronger.Respect the vice president and let him as a politician live. Talking of the stolen elections, he has never been implicated of rigging except assertions that could be true or otherwise that he pressured the results to be announced. For heavens sake , he was never the ECK Chairman. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Sebastian Onyango wrote: Peter, The mafia were represented by one of their own at the Airport yesterday atleast I saw him just to confirm to myself that its the mafia who are incharge whether Kibaki is in or out of Kenya and I for sure was satisfied about it becuase MPs and Ministers attended the meeting with him and the prezo at the airport. Kalonzo will soon realise the folly of everything when the chicken will come home to roost as it did for Karua last friday. It may not be tommorrow or next week or next month or year but it sure shall come to pass. Ask one Moody, One Kombo, One Mukhisa, One Kibwana, One Kalembe?et al., However we must not loose hope for hope is the only sentiment (the holy book calls it a gift)?that keeps us struggling with life's many demands list of all a corrupt, inept, sterile, bankrupt and bastardized leadership.?For where there is a will, there must be a way. I am sure you know about tis even in our own private lives!!! Kenyans need to study the situation with open minds. One is using the current leadership but applying pressure through organised petitions to reform minded MPs, parties and particularly on ODM to use parliament as a launching pad for an all drawn out war against this mafia. Poeple right from the village must embark on calculated civil disobedience akin to the one Moi was subjected to in which every weekend witnessed?one form of mass action or another and the economy could therefore not perform and so they had no money to steal. In brief the governement was disfunctional!!! Expenditures must be scrutinised by parliament and the civil society, Police Act changed to make officers liable to civil prosecution on misuse of firearms on unarmed civilians, Power of AG to controll prosecution must be changed to allow civilians same to stem impunity; Parliament must demand disbandent of Administration Police?unit; A?national police oversight board appointed by parlaiment and a constituency/Division based police oversight board elected by locals?must be introduced to controll personalised law enforcements and stop the misuse of firearms for political and civil causes,?New military procurements should be blocked by ODM and other reform minded parties?in parliament; recruitment of?all manner of people into the struggle including members of the armed forces; explaining to our Kikuyu brothers the difference between tribal eating and mafia-cum-homegaurds eating/rule; the dangers posed by these uneducated, senile and?semi-literate ruling mafias to our nation state etc need to be underscored to all and sundry. In brief progressive minds must embark on a massive mobiliation of like-mended individuals to block these manouvers by the Kibakis and Saitotis and Uhurus and Muhohos et al. Last but not least Kenyans must begin to identify the real threat to our national intergration which is the tribal based philosophy of divide and rule?by the ruling elites/current political class. Tribal politics was and remains a divide and rule ploy that the masses have fallen for through the generations.?How many Luos are beneficiaries of this tribal rule despite?a Luo having held the VP and Prime minister positions respectively. I am sure just a couple of Kalenjins benefitted from? Moi's rule otheriwse they should all be millionaires. What about Kikuyus with Kenyatta having ruled for 15 years and now Kibaki? Are they now all okay becuase they are rulling? If that were the case there would be no mass murders (police killings)?taking place in central and nairobi in the name of mungiki! In fact we would be having street children only from the other tribes but we know how far this is from reality!! Kenyans must realise that there are only two genuine tribes in Kenya: The schooled and unschooled workers and their underemployed and unemployed compatriots, on whose back the corrupt continue to drive to their never ending cocophony of riches, on the one hand and the opportunistic, corrupt, nepotistic and?tribalistic imbeciles to whom we have surrendered the instruments of power, which instrument they continue to use to lord it over us while impoverishing the masses without any mercy, guilt or decency.? Kenyans must also realise that no country in the world ever built and negotiated a working covenant of how they are to be governed?during peace time. American had civil war that ushered in their real independence constitution; The French went through a revolution; Germans had their own war between the east and the west?and lately?Kenya had?its own but it was miscarried by hurried negotiations and a quick fix despite our opposition and I don't need to belabour what transpired becuase of the brief war.?Are these examples?not enough to?inspire us to be ready to champion for a revolution. "A generation must bear the cost of the rebirth of a new Kenya and we have to choose whether it will be our generation or not!! It will not be easy but it can be done!!!!" Finally, progressive minds must begin to search for a workable formula through which it can translate its ideas into tangible outcomes for the benefit of Kenyans. I just don't know how this can be done other than the thoughts Ihave shared above, but it has to be done or we must forever keep our peace and shut up. What a pity and what agony this brings to us and the children of our children. Sebastian --- On Mon, 4/6/09, PETERS KN wrote: From: PETERS KN Subject: Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite.org, editor at majimbokenya.com, editorial at eastandard.net, africa-oped at yahoogroups..com, "youngprofessionals" , progressiveminds at yahoogroups.com, ProgressiveMinds at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:57 PM Good analysis Barack and Sebastian, I normally wonder ever if Kibaki is REALLY in charge of the country, let alone when he is away on foreign 'sell-Kenya- to the-highest- bidder' trips (especially ever since the accident in 2002). Is he???? My?other query is what did Agwambo, other politicians of good repute and the general populace think about what Kibaki would deliver after 'winning' the elections in a funny/disputed manner??? Sebastian... ..your 4th paragraph is now what we live in this dear Republic.... a leadership, nay, rulership that cares less about our welfare as Kenyans. I'm getting chills if I believe that your 5th paragraph will come to pass.....that Dec07 and Jan08 was a rehearsal??? I tend to believe in this because?all that is happening now as you have described was summarised by the cordoning of KICC & the CBD?in mid-Dec.07.. ......... .......... ......... ......... ......... I am just wondering when the cordoning will start this time. The big question is "Will we be ready as ProgressiveMinds? " --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Sebastian Onyango wrote: From: Sebastian Onyango Subject: Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite .org, editor at majimbokenya .com, editorial at eastandar d.net, africa-oped@ yahoogroups. com, "youngprofessionals " , progressiveminds@ yahoogroups. com, ProgressiveMinds@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:52 PM Barack, I agree with your sentiments almost in total!! There is no coalition government and as things stand you only need to know that according to the ruling mafia, Raila is already out! The question they are groping with is just how to do away with him totally? There are two scenarios! Ruto is likely to be offered the PM role should Raila attempt to pull out and as we all know, he will accept it as deputy leader of ODM becuase arrangements have been and are being made to soothe him and crwon him as head of Kalenjin leadership with fake goodies to make?him dump mainstream ODM for cooperation with PNU. The release of Kibor is just to prepare the way although we know that he should have been released long time ago. The other scenario is where Raila decides to stay put untill 2012 as PM as he has stated but has no say in government becuase all the instruments of power are going to be withdrawn given that ODM is already lameduck, thanks to the neophytes who entered parliament the other day. In this scenario Kibaki is going to crawl back to full presidential power and ignore the coalition law in total. Then he will start firing and hiring at will to appease the group I am talking about so that they can cause maximum damage to ODM. The appointment of judges was just to test the waters! Just watch what is going to happen.That is why I agree with you that Agwambo has boxed himself into a tight corner. The only sad thing is that this government does not stand for the interest of Kenyans including our Kikuyu brothers save for the children of homegaurds who have taken over from their fathers and will inevitably hand over power to their own children to the exclusion of the the rest of kenyans, including the true?children of?freedom fighters?who have nothing to show for the labour of their forefathers except being reffered to as poor, mungiki, touts etc. As for 2012, Raila and company must forget! APs and the provincial administration are already being prepared for rigging of the 2012 election! Just look at the procurement votes for these two departments of goevernment to understand what awaits those dreaming of 2012 and how this mafias operate! As for the military you just need to know what is happening with promotions there! The massacre that will take place in 2012 should kenyans attempt an uprising will dwarf any that has ever happened. That is why I submit that waiting for 2012 is not the answer! If Kenyans forced Moi to repael section 2A and introduce multiparty without a single MP in parliament supporting them, Kenyans can change everything with even a lameduck PM provided he is willing to take the gamble and provide leadership! After all in politics you must always take a risk! But come to think of it! If you can cheat death then you can also cheat your enemy atleast more than once! This is the puzzle that must be broken!! Otherwise Kenyans should forget ever removing these mafias, who feed on the blood of their own children, from power. Sebastian --- On Mon, 4/6/09, barack abonyo wrote: From: barack abonyo Subject: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite .org, editor at majimbokenya .com, editorial at eastandar d.net, africa-oped@ yahoogroups. com, "youngprofessionals " , progressiveminds@ yahoogroups.. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:54 PM It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect?in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed,?the public especially those who belonged to the opposition?questioned?if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority.? From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. ? As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs ? While many were not convinced that ODM?was given?a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. ? My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge??The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he???No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. ? The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that?prime minister becomes a? toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages?here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa. ? My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to?do something about?it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and?ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. ? Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it... The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo ________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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This is followed by a sincere and earnest prayer before I open the word of God! Why so? -Without the help of God, no one will ever understand His word. -I want to go by what the Bible says and not what others say and teach. -I want to open my heart daily for any spiritual insight that the good Lord may want to pass over to me. -I do not want to share with others my opinion but rather the sure word of the living God. -It's always the Bible first and then any other commentaries that might share more light. I have found the writings of Ellen G.White very useful indeed. -In sharing with others, I don't do so with authority, but as a humble servant of God. I cry daily for the man of Galilee to increase to that I can decrease, and decrease deeply! The teaching that one goes to heaven immediately after death,is not Biblical. Today, I will cite some examples in the New Testament and in the next write up, I will venture into the Old Testament. Let us cite the examples: -If you go by the Gospels(Mathew, Mark, Luke and John,) you will find the story of the death of Jesus Christ. The description is so clear that one need not make a mistake. After He died, He was buried and the powers then had the tomb guarded. We are told that He rose the third day. Nowhere it says that He went to heaven the same day. -Regarding the thief on the cross, Jesus gave him the promise on that same day, that he the thief will be with Jesus in paradise, someday and not on the same day. -Let us quote the passage as it reads, "Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth today you will be with me in paradise." Those who are of the school of thought that a person goes to heaven immediately after death, do put the comma after the truth. But in the original language-Greek, the comma is after today. In scriptures like this, we need to apply the principle of "Sola Scriptura," which means, the Bible and Bible alone. In other words, check with other scriptures to see what they teach on the same subject before drawing up your conclusion. By the way, do you know that many of us always try to force the Bible to say what it doesn't say. We apply the principle of eigesis-reading into the passage, instead of exegesis-reading out of the the passage. My approach has always been to be careful not to share that which is not in the Bible. Furthermore, I am equally careful not to believe that which is not in the Bible. How about you? Pr Birai www.themaranathasdachurch.org If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From grnyongesa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 08:07:11 2009 From: grnyongesa at yahoo.com (George Nyongesa) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Fw: central Rift Bunge la Mwananchi: Press Release Coverage Message-ID: <336096.23540.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> FYI --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Joseph Omondi wrote: From: Joseph Omondi Subject: Press Release Coverage To: grnyongesa at yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:21 PM Dear George, I'd like to inform you that Bungela Mwananchi central Rift? press conference dubbed "Operation Okoa Kenya" was covered by Nairobi Star and Kenya Times newspapers on 7th April 2009 both on page 8.? Grass root people here in the region are catching on the demand fro fresh polls. We plan to hold small meetings in differnt villages to solidify the push so that we have who understand the need fro better leadership. 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URL: From adams at realtynetworkinc.com Wed Apr 8 10:35:02 2009 From: adams at realtynetworkinc.com (adams ondara) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart In-Reply-To: <801280280904030107n17810c25yeb3f377d7022813@mail.gmail.com> References: <835242.76607.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <801280280904030107n17810c25yeb3f377d7022813@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101c9b857$34e7c5c0$9eb75140$@com> I recommend this to all ladies, dats true. -----Original Message----- From: jambo-bounces at publiceyesite.org [mailto:jambo-bounces at publiceyesite.org] On Behalf Of Carol Mukami Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:08 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart Please see below from the internet, it may help you get over it. MISTAKE TO AVOID #1: STAYING IN TOUCH WITH YOUR EX. I hear from women all the time who do this, and I almost don't blame them, really. Your guy tells you it's over, or you get into a fight, or he says that he just can't see himself in a long-term relationship with you. For all intents and purposes, you know that he's broken up with you and the relationship is over. At least you feel that way for a day or two. But then something happens. He texts you. Or calls. Or emails. At first, he's just being "friendly" and asking if you're "ok." Maybe you get together with him for coffee and talk about how your friendship is too important to just throw away. How you want each other in your life in SOME WAY. He may even tell you things like that he still "loves you" or thinks you're special, or that he "cares." Sure, he thinks you're a great woman and he'd love to have you in his life in SOME WAY in order to boost his ego and lessen his OWN discomfort about the break-up. So it goes. Pretty soon, he's calling you all the time, and you're calling him. You know you should probably not stay in contact, but you almost can't help yourself from responding to his texts or answering the phone when you know it's him. And you get your HOPES UP that all that contact means he's getting closer to wanting you back. That there's a chance you can have things back to the way they used to be. Right? WRONG. Staying connected with a man who doesn't want a committed relationship with you (when you do) only PROLONGS your pain. Each time he reminds you that he's not ready, or hasn't changed his mind, is just you getting your heart broken again...and again...and again. STOP IT! This isn't getting you closer to moving on and actually making the space and time in your life to find a man who TRULY loves you and wants to have a real relationship with you. It just keeps you dangerously STUCK in a place where your self-esteem and confidence actually wither each time you talk, text, sleep with or daydream about your ex-boyfriend. And you won't believe how long you can actually stay in that place - always hoping, but never really getting what you want. So cut all ties, if at all possible. MISTAKE TO AVOID #2: THINKING YOU'RE A FAILURE AT LOVE OR SOMEHOW UN-LOVABLE How many times have you wondered if the reason you can't find a good man who wants to have a real, devoted and honest relationship with you is because they're something wrong with YOU? You wonder if you're just a FAILURE at love, or if maybe you're not attractive enough or if maybe you're undesirable. It's just not true! Break-ups are simply a part of your life's journey. It's a way for you to learn what you need to learn about WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU NEED in order to be happy. Show me a woman who's never broken up with a man in her life and I'll show you a miserable pushover or a weirdo hermit. Ok, I'm sure it's possible...maybe the Queen of England or some woman in an arranged marriage never broke up with a man in her life, but that doesn't mean that she's had an amazing and full LOVE LIFE. What do you think? Feeling like you're unlovable or a failure is a disservice to YOURSELF. It's creating patterns of thinking that make you even less confident and even MORE needy in the future. It's better to feel gratitude and even relief that you were shown a way of being in a relationship that just doesn't work for you. You'll know what kind of situation or man to watch out for next time. You'll know what you need to SAY and DO when you get into a relationship with a new man so this doesn't happen again. You'll learn to be a wiser, stronger woman who knows her boundaries and who knows what she will or won't tolerate. Now, without any painful or bad experiences in your love life, how would you ever know what REAL LOVE with a good man is? Right. You wouldn't. Moving on. MISTAKE TO AVOID #3: TRYING TO FAST-TRACK YOUR GRIEF OR STAYING STUCK TOO LONG Ok, tell me if you've ever done one of these three things after a break-up: 1. Get on an online dating site literally the SAME DAY your man breaks up with you and start the process of a brand new relationship as quickly as possible 2. Tell yourself you're never dating again, or you're not dating until you can somehow "fix yourself" and the things you think are wrong with you 3. Decide you don't have time for heartbreak and bad relationships anymore and you throw yourself into your work, family or friends and avoid dating altogether ??? If any of those sound familiar, it probably means that you're doing everything you can to AVOID feeling what you're feeling after a break-up. You're either trying to find a man quickly, in order to feel desired again...and therefore come off as "needy, desperate or clingy" when you date... Or, you're avoiding men altogether so you're not reminded of the man you really wanted and can no longer have. Therefore, you give off a vibe that says "stay away" or "I'm not interested." This ping-ponging between extremes actually PREVENTS you from meeting a man who can actually be the one guy who CAN be good for you and turn it all around for you. But hey, you may not care about that. You may feel like it's OK if you don't date or find Mr. Right for a long, long time. It's your choice. And you should be OK with that. But if you're NOT OK with being alone and single and feeling STUCK, then do yourself a favor and learn how to use the pain of your break-up to create a BETTER situation for yourself. On 4/2/09, Linet ojiambo wrote: > > > Talk about it - to all your friends who care to listen, Pray about it - God > heals even the most painful wounds, Laugh about it - there is always humour > even in the most distressful situation and finally, look for the positives > in this and internalize them - everything in life has a pro and con. > FORGIVE. Forgiveness is Key, it opens up a well of blessings which you would > have blocked with grudges. Dont forget to cry, it helps to clear your heart > and mind. > Ive been there done that. Now I can talk about bila feeling any pain. I have > forgiven the perpetrator and am happy, truly happy. Always look for your > happiness in the LORD, and you will find it. > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, william benson wrote: > >> From: william benson >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Healing a broken heart >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 1:12 AM >> pse repair your heart by >> praying hard but also look at the size of the glass you we >> serving him with.maybe ni ndogo mpaka anaenda kutafuta >> ingine kwa neighbour >> >> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, brenda wanjiku >> wrote: >> >> From: brenda wanjiku >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Healing a broken heart >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:28 AM >> >> How do cure a broken and hurting >> heart? >> How do you deal with it. Ever been devastated, how did >> you go about it? >> To my brothers, Kwani isnt possible to quest your >> thirst from one well!!!!!!!!! >> >> Regards >> Brenda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From prcanb at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 10:10:00 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] What happens when Jesus returns? Message-ID: <370456.44126.qm@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The sure word of God is very clear on what happens when Jesus returns! I will cite several examples: Mathew 7:21-23- Some who thought that their names were there will be denied entry.Why? Because they went about teaching and doing their own stuff. It's just like a student preparing for the final test based on his own materials and not what the teacher told him or her to study. Revelation 1:7 Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. Acts 1:9-11 He will come back the same way He was seen going up by His disciples. Isaiah 25:9 Those who have remained faithful will be happy to see and welcome Him. Revelation 6:15-17 The wicked ones will run away from him and hide in the rocks for they will not stand before His presence! What a sad day that will be! God have mercy please! I pray daily that I should not be among this group! 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 The death in Christ will resurrect first and join the living righteous to meet their Lord in the air and go to their everlasting home to be with their Lord for ever. Revelation 20:4-6 The wicked death will rise, see him coming and then return into their graves where they will remain until after 1,000 years. After 1,000 years, they will resurrect, face judgment and then destroyed. Mathew 25: Many will be surprised to learn that judgment will partly be based on how we treated God's children while on earth. You and I can sit hear and argue. Some might even go to an extend of calling this heresy and reject it altogether. But that will by no means change what the Bible teaches. The good news, though, is that each one of us has an access to the sure word of God. The decision on what to believe and to reject is very much personal. Blessings. Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From revgeorgeoo at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 10:09:00 2009 From: revgeorgeoo at yahoo.com (ndebele okoth) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] The resignation of Ms Karua and her cronies is a mere Mt Kenya Mafia political decoy, targeting Kenya PM Raila Odinga Message-ID: <770535.57974.qm@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The move of Kenya Constitution Minister Ms Martha Karua and her NARK party to quit the Coalition government is sophisticated political decoy employed by the both Kenya Military and Police intelligence agents, under the close advice of hired foreign agents, with main aim and agenda to provoke a section of ODM ministers to resign in order to pave way for a smooth succession /transition of embattled Mt Kenya Mafia vision to retain power after Kibaki?s term ends. ? KENYA PM RAILA THE MAIN TARGET: ? The loyal troops will be call in to restore peace in case of rioting after the resignation of PM Raila Odinga and his team from the coalition. ? Kenya will again have the flooding of blood before meaningful peace is restored ? SAITOTI, KALONZO, UHURU AND RUTO FACTOR: ? In fact the resignation of Ms Karua, is tentative risk taken on behalf of Saitoti, Kalonzo, Uhuru and Ruto who are set to form the next coalition, all are meant for political espionage purposes. ? Ms Karua and NARK was selected through a foreign intelligence strategists agent emplyed by the wealthiest and elites Mt Kenya Mafia immediately Coalition Government was formed, with a promised that she will be rewarded a post of PM, if the ploy succeeds. ODM INSIDER IN THE GAME TOO: ? Mr Ruto to have slot of Deputy PM if he managed to retain the Kalenjins in the government, the Kalanjins/Kikuyus alliance to take over power till the next election is call 2012. ? The Luhya factors is playing major role with Ababu to be appointed a minister, the luos will be isolated and victimised by the new powers in play. ? Let the ODM be warn not to make rational decision to quit the government, even if the quit, the Kenya corrupt will still rule whatsoever. ? Again I repeat ?Ms Karua and the cronies resignation is a decoy bent to push out the ODM to enable NARK to form an official new coalition government with PNU, however, Ms Karua must step up her security, if in anycase the strategy fails her life maybe on line. The bottom line is that some dubious foreign companies partnering with these Mt Kenya elites are working to block a new constitution in Kenya by supporting the corrupt regimes in Africa, and therefore the continual of serial and immune as assassinations? in Kenya shall not eased until a new constitution is install --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Message-ID: <507263.55673.qm@web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> @Josiah, ? I feel u brother.....and now Nyong`o is busy singing bado mapambano on TV while his constituents die of cholera..its nolonger about idelogy but a case of complete mental breakdown on the part of some of leaders especially the so called second liberation bunch of criminals and outright conmen. ? onyatto. --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Lee Makwiny wrote: From: Lee Makwiny Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DEC 2007 Elections......Reality Check! To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 5:18 PM True, We dont have a government. And dont listen to Krigler. He is part of the game. His mission was simple. Say all parties rigged election. Period. ? Omera. We are tired. We want the person we gave the mandate to lead us. ? ? On 4/7/09, josiah ogalo wrote: YPS_Ke, Now the Krigler report condemned the manner in which the December 2007 elections were conducted were conducted and the outcome thereof. Now members of this forum go about saying that someone's victory was stolen when in real sense both sides were privy to irregularities committed by the same ECK....talk of double speak! Honestly all the politicians ought NOT to be in office if the very same ECK they condemned went home, this is the same body that handed them the victory as MPS, President......how rightly you condemn a body that prnounced you a winner? I believe honest members of this forum will agree that both ODM and PNU were involved in rigging at some level. If we don't acknowledge this simple fact guys, then we have use trying to talk on transparency and condemning anyone! Let us love the truth and agree that to a large and big extent, we Kenyans have also contributed largely to the rot in our Nation and govertment! We vote along ethnic lines and not on principles, we support political bigotry at the expense of real issues.....A fact not all Kikuyus are eating 3 meals in a day because we have a Kikuyu president, luos are still faced with greater challenges despite Raila being a Prime Minister......Kenyans at large are faced with tough and tight living conditions...regardless of tribe! Our leaders are wrangling about very unimportant issues......when the local mwananchi is faced with extinction and survival! I don't give a damn whether Raila is consulted before new districts are created or whether he is senior in the pecking order or what.....Let him show responsibility by starting to lead the way to other legislators by paying taxe on his hefty allowances......I will may be listen to his call to criticize Kibaki.....who to this very day, I wonder why he is in tha damn seat! My take...guys be honest with each other and debate repectably! 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URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 20:04:53 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Its All Out War Message-ID: <954553.25821.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? ? Folks, ? It is wait and see............ ? Yes, it is true Kibaki is undermining and maligning PM Raila using PNU and Agents to?intimidate?PM Raila.....The Whole World is keenly Watching?with a lot of interest.?? ? To Mr. Kalonzo, you are a cry baby, you are completely useless and guilty of your involvement and?deeds..........fitina fitina niyanini????? Wewe kwenye mbio za election ulishika mkia.....Wewe mwenyewe kwenye agreement pia kidole chako cha signature hakuna.........? Umepata ulicho pata kwa sabanu ya mapendekezo ya corruption iliyo dhihirika kati yako na Kibaki, maana yake, waizi wawili wakipendana ni hatari kwa jamaa.? Wewe mwenyewe kwa ukweli kabisa huna chako Kenya.?Umedandia tu...?Unamadhambi chungu nzima mashtaka yakungojea...........Mbona mwamuonea PM Raila............... Mbona PM Raila akisema ukweli mwamushambuli?? Kwa kweli wahenga walisema, ukweli ina machungu.? Kwani PM Raila jeee amedanganya?? Si ni ukweli tu amesema inawafanya mnasokotana.? ? Nauliza, hilo jukwa wakati Kibaki ana Rally, jeee yeye pia hua?na red carpet na choo?? Na jeee yeye pia PC hukuweko?? Kama yeye Kibaki?jukwa lake hua na choo na red carpet, kwanini asipewe PM Raila pia mtandio, kwani agano si?ni kua na 50/50 share kati ya Kibaki na Raila??Jee, Kalonzo VP yeye pia?ana share kwa agreement?? Mbona yeye wakati ana Rally?huandaliwa choo na red carpet.?Kwani yeye?ana cheo gani kushinda Raila?? Ndiposa ywa payuka payuka ati ohhh Kofi Annan?did nothing to Kenyans, oh we do not recognize KofiAnnan intervention.?Why are you people too selfish? ?Kwa kweli kabisa, nyinyi mnao pinga?PM akinungunika, yaonekana wazi kwamba?ninyi pia mna sababu zenu?kwa kumuonea Raila.? Raila is not petty in this situation, he?justified publicly the kind of treatment he is receiving from Kibaki's and PNU strategy for intimidation to derrail the Coalitions sustainability. ? Kanena kwamba, hakupewa heshima vilivyo na PC alipotembelea Mombasa, It is true.....?kajengewa?jukwa la wasiwasi lisilo na choo na pia bila red carpet, it is true.....?Kwani, walitaka ajisaidie wapi akiwa na haja ndogo?? Kama si kudharauliwa, jeeee, nini basi?? Yapili, hata PC alitafuta sababu?ya kutokuweko wakati PM Raila anatembelea sehemu hizo, yaonekana alipewa fitina asihudhuria mkao wa Raila ya Rally na pia ili asimkaribishe PM Raila ki official, ionekani PM Raila ni juakali.? PM alitaka tu watu wajuwe anavyofanyiwa....... Jamani,,,,,,, ni uchochezi........? Tume yaona basi mtajitetea vipi?? Mwatafuta manenoooooo twayaelewa vishindooooo vishindo vyenuu....... ?you have a long way to mature Mr. Kalonzo.......you?Kalonzo need a reality check........common sense dictates that PM Raila, according to Coalition Agreement Accord,?must be accorded 50/50 share of government control nothing less. ?Hiii yote ni kuonyesha madharau na uchochezi haliya ufisadi........... ? Yes, we saw PM Raila?struggle in many ways to demand his fair share but was confronted with stiff cut throat?restrain from PNU who?power brokers surrounding Kibaki. We witnessed serious struggle to distribute the same Ministrerial positions between PNU and ODM members.? Remember, ODM have more elected members?against PNU by half.? In normal circumstance how can PNU?acquire more?powerful?Ministries compaired to ODM.? If PM Raila for the sake of Kenyan peace at heart, he could have stood his ground and staged confrontational challenge, but he swallowed painful pride and gave in.? People, this?does not imply weakness.? Please, please, please!!!!!!!wacheni uchochezi,,,,,,,,?let us be?practical and be?objective if we are looking for better future for?Kenya and want to nurture peace and healing from?painful memory of the past, we dont need uchochezi kama ya hapa chini................Kwa hivyo mimi nasema, toboa Raila toboa, ?natena fichua siri tujue ukweli ya mambo.................Kwani, watu ni nywele kila mtu anazake..........Yote yawezekana kwa imani, tuna imani natuta simama na imani, Mungu jalala Kipenzi, atatujalia......... ? Yote haya pikla pikla ni mbinu na sababu tu ya kumsukuma PM Raila to quit,? Ngooooo, he will not quit.? We all say,? PM Raila stay put..............Do what you gotta do and work with the people to demand for true change Kenyans are looking for.?? Wapeni hawa wachochezi?vidonge vyao, wakipenda wasipopenda ni shauri yao.............Gari lamoshi laenda mbiyo.........kuleni mkijua mishipa zitawazama koooni.............. ? ? Thanks, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? ? ? Watch this..........? National Kenya News It?s all out war Updated on: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 Story by: Edwin Mutai and Meeme Joshua The Party of National Unity (PNU) functionaries have launched a scathing attack against Prime Minister Raila Odinga for criticising President Mwai Kibaki?s leadership style and warned him to watch his tongue. Consequently, Kibaki?s PNU has hatched an elaborate plot to discredit Prime Minister Raila and his Orange Democratic Movement (ODM). Later in the afternoon, President Kibaki jetted back into the country and held a thirty-minute meeting with his PNU lieutenants before being driven to State House, Nairobi. ?The President neither commented on the wrangles in the coalition nor the resignation of Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha Karua and assistant minister for Medical Services Danson Mungatana. Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka chaired a PNU Parliamentary Group meeting at Kenyatta International Conference Centre (KICC) yesterday where they planned national rallies to counter what they termed as ?a civilian coup? being plotted by ODM. The meeting which came a day after Gichugu MP Martha Karua resigned as Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha brought together 54 MPs from the PNU wing of government who unanimously agreed on a week-long agenda to hit out at the PM and his party. ?A document circulated to the MPs who attended the meeting convened by government Chief Whip George Thuo reveals how the MPs will renew attacks on the Prime Minister, including pursuing a vote of no confidence against him in parliament. As a sign of things to come in the next few days, Ministers George Saitoti (Internal Security), Chirau Mwakwere (Transport) and Uhuru Kenyatta (Finance) hit out at the PM over his recent attacks on President Kibaki over the creation of new districts. They warned the PM against insulting the President in public adding that PNU will not condone such actions aimed at demeaning and undermining Kibaki?s leadership. ??We ask the PM to show respect to critical institutions such as that of the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Since he has begun insults, he should be ready to be insulted,? charged Mwakwere. Mwakwere caused laughter when he said Raila was ?obsessed with petty and parochial issues,? referring to Monday?s incident in Mombasa when he complained of lack of a red carpet and toilet facility when he went to officiate a government function. The document discussed by the PNU PG titled ?General Analysis on ODM?s plans? declared war against the Orange party saying: ?this week should be viewed as a week of fighting. Healing and reconciliation with ODM can take place next week.? In the eight-point document, the PNU coalition wants to counter ODM plans which they say include national rallies meant to hoodwink Kenyans that there was a leadership crisis. ?They (ODM) may call for mass action or demand removal of certain top government officials or walk out of the coalition. They will insult President Kibaki and link him to corruption,? reads part of the unsigned document. The document says ODM is perpetuating a crisis so as to create another ground for renegotiation of the National Accord and acquisition of executive power from PNU. It details how the rival coalition partner is scheming to put pressure on Kibaki by creating an artificial leadership crisis to push the President to resign. According to PNU, ODM wants to weaken Kibaki?s administration to justify the need to ?ouster him from power through a civilian coup.? The explosive document claims the Orange party is planning to accuse PNU in its nationwide rallies of corruption, post-election violence, blocking reforms and other woes facing the country such as famine and unemployment. ?If it was President Kibaki who was facilitating poisonous maize to be sold to Kenyans, the PM will be calling for President Kibaki?s resignation and arrest. The PNU coalition needs to take the corruption war to ODM without fear. The evidence is there. Media have documents and are waiting for PNU coalition to attack and they will expose the PM,? the one page document debated by the 54 MPs reads in part. ?Addressing the press after the two-hour closed door meeting, Vice President Musyoka accused the PM of disrespecting the President. ?We all need to mind our language. We stand in solidarity with the President and it is incumbent for the PM to respect the President,? he said. He added that there was need to protect the institution of the Presidency, saying lashing out at such important institutions was an affront to democracy. He said the PNU coalition was committed to reforms, devolved government and addressing numerous challenges facing Kenyans among them raging famine, economic recession and unemployment. ??To call for respect for the President is not being sycophantic. It is improper for a Prime Minister to abuse the President. It reminds me of a TV programme that used to be called Mind Your Language,? he said. He called on the PM to stop engaging on side shows and instead work towards giving Kenyans the much needed reforms. Kalonzo announced the PNU coalition will begin nationwide rallies to compliment the recent President Kibaki?s tours where he ?legally? created new districts. ?His sentiments were echoed by Prof Saitoti citing a private members motion seeking to convert all constituencies to districts in order to improve efficiency in service delivery. ?I am surprised by the use of bad language by the PM on the creation of new districts claiming he was not consulted. People have requested for the districts including the Prime Minister himself,? he said. On his part, Uhuru challenged the PM to stop the fixation that he won the 2007 presidential elections and instead champion reforms that are envisaged in the National Accord and Reconciliation Act. Uhuru maintained President Kibaki won election ?legally? and fairly and cautioned the PM to put that debate to rest saying it may impact negatively on the ongoing national healing and reconciliation. The Finance Minister said if there were any grievances that need to be addressed, they should be done through the right channels. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Tue Apr 7 08:31:05 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] -: Ruto on Martha Karua's resignation Message-ID: I could not have put it in a better way..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tiwvFH6_Zw &feature=channel_page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigavala at aol.com Tue Apr 7 14:23:54 2009 From: bigavala at aol.com (bigavala at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:23:54 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Mungatana An'gatuka serikalini. Who are next? Message-ID: <8CB85C524D84FCD-CB0-AAE@webmail-dd03.sysops.aol.com> Now we can tell those who are principled and those who are power greedy. Karua has done it because she was overlooked. Mungatana followed because Karua is his boss. Now ,was Raila given a fair share in the 50/50 power sharing? If we have heard them complain can they be real and tell as with action. Does anybody smell?a looming problem? While the coalition served its purpose it might have outlived its usefulness and if not disbanded it will naturally cave in as witnessed by events of Karua and Mungatana. Mungatana quits government Updated 5 hr(s) 9 min(s) ago Related Stories MPs seeking to censure others should arrive in the House clean Raila tells off Church over call for elections ODM demands renegotiation of National Accord, backs Alston report Raila tells off cleric for criticising Government By David Ochami Medical Services Assistant minister Danson Mungatana has resigned from the Cabinet. Announcing his resignation on Tuesday afternoon, Mungatana accused Kibaki administration of impeding reforms and fostering corruption. He becomes the second high-ranking government official to quit the grand coalition government in less than 24 hours. On Monday afternoon, Gichugu MP Martha Karua quit the position of Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister. Both resignations occurred while President Kibaki was out of the country attending head of states conference. The simmering intra-party differences within PNU add to the already glaring feuds between it and its grand coalition=2 0partner, ODM, which is led by Prime Minister Raila Odinga. ODM is accusing its partner PNU of short-changing it. But the Garsen MP said his decision to step down was informed by President Kibaki?s handling of the Grand Coalition Government and reform agenda. He also added that Karua?s resignation on Monday made his stay at the cabinet untenable. Karua is the party chairperson while Mungatana serves as the secretary general. Mungatana?who, together with Karua, strenuously, defended Kibaki?s controversial re-election in December 2007 told the President "the time of the big man?s syndrome is gone". Referring to the Head of State?s recent unilateral appointments to public offices, Mungatana said his party, which has majority of MPs in Kibaki?s PNU, has been sidelined. Changes At exactly 1.30pm Mungatana said: "I would like to thank President Kibaki?for having appointed me to serve as Assistant minister for Medical Services. However, the development of Monday where the chair of Narc-Kenya resigned her position as Justice minister, (makes) it difficult for me as Secretary to serve in the same government she has left?" The Narc-Kenya top decision-making organ, NEC defended Karua?s resignation saying she left because she could no longer hold together with a corrupt and anti-reform clique. Speaking after tendering his resignation on Tuesday, Mungatana urged other Narc-Kenya MPs to consider their continued stay in government. Saying they are free to make personal d ecisions, the party secretary general added that Narc-Kenya officials in government and other "reformists in and outside Parliament need to be part and parcel of what the people of Kenya want". The latest development means that Nark Kenya has practically moved out of Kibaki-led PNU. Last year when PNU was urging its coalition parties to dissolve and join it, Narc Kenya defied the orders and went ahead to hold elections, which saw Karua elected chairperson while Mungatana became secretary general. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 12:15:06 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite Message-ID: <264932.61941.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Kibaki and Mt. Mafia Cohort and Cartels are very very very disparate. ? Threat like this one cannot be tolerated. ? Kofi Annan and the United Nations with world leaders must not let this kind of situation as in Kenya to go on.? Something must be done and done extremely fast without wasting more time.? We have seen events of times and warnings of worse situation going to the extreme with worse casualties that need to?be stopped immediately.? Kibaki's group will not bulge, they do not learn, they are unwilling to cooperate, they are instigators, they are sturbborn and stiff necked, they have fixed minds and are uncooperative, they dont want change, they do not respect the signed peace accord which provided for the Coalition Government existance and have intent to continually frustrated?PM Raila in the 50/50 signed sharing of the Government so he should quit the Coalition Agreement.? They prefer using iron fist?and scuttled?Civil Society to have their way while?silencing good people of Kenya who are demanding for change which is?their right to living a honorable life. ? Kenya is a hub of African survival.? We will not let go situation like those of Rwanda genocide to?take toll order?in Kenya or even let finalization of cases to take long at the Hague as it has been seen in Rwanda, Congo, Uganda, Sudan and conflicts such?like is seen in Uganda, because it has destroyed element of hope?that connects?genuine livelihood as is purported by God for mankind.? These are the reasons why World leaders together with US President Obama needs to step in at this juncture.? We will have no rest until and unless they put aside all other issues to jointly consolidate efforts to safeguard and prioritize situation?in Kenya bringing United Nations Missions together to discuss?in a concerted effort to finding resolution in Kenya.? ? Kenya?being the known hub of?African cannot be left behind in a structural new world order of development partnership and networking?from economic world crisis reorganization.? I attach news?notes for reference hereunder of civil war destruction in Rwanda, Congo Uganda and Southern Sudan...........? ? I appeal therefore, that we call upon Kofi Annan and other eminent leaders to include Kenyan Party Leaders, Civil Societies, Individual Consultants?and other Human Rights representatives with some Legal professionals to a special meeting?in Washington DC as soon as is necessary?to stragegize way forward for Kenya.?? ? For healing to take place in Kenya, culprits of those who pre-planned genocide (facts are available) and who triggered conflicts by theaving of election in Kibaki's camp with those who in the same camp have become continually unremorseful and stubborn and who in refusal to resolving peace accord structure #4 in providing the much needed change desired by Kenyans?are commiting plunder of National Assets and by?causing serious socio/economic crimes against humanity,?be arraigned to Hague faster than previously planned, so to give Kenya a breathing space and a chance to heal.? ? This is the only way it will serve as a measure for?people of such greed influence to tore the line and never again?treat human beings without respect like animals without value.? Human beings rich or poor need to be valued, respected with dignity and virtue.? There must be therefore a demonstrated committment and?responsibilities in association between leadership management of public properties and assets in the government in a transparent and in accountability manner on behalf of electorates, since elected leaders are the custodians of public properties and interest.? Under discipline and order when restored, we are?able to create structural environment for sustainable investments to benefit all Citizens and?is able to creat jobs with good social environment full of hope for the future. Security, Law and Order will be a requirement respected and provided to all. ? By copy of this email, I forward heart felt promt request to US President Obama to intervene and allow?Foreign US Secretary Hillary Clinton to pursue coordination of this request in a speedy manner so to arrest down trend of failing conditions and a repeat of situation like those of Rwanda, Congo, Uganda and endless conflicts of Southern Sudan, which have destroyed fabric of livelihood in those parts of Africa. ? I hope to hear from aforesaid above and will make follow-up for the same. ? Sincerely, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? News My life is in danger, claims Muite ? Former Kabete MP Paul Muite in a pensive mood as his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara addresses the press on Wednesday. The former MP said his life was in danger. Photo/HEZRON NJOROGE ? By?JOHN NGIRACHUPosted?Wednesday, April 8?2009?at?14:42 In Summary Muite says he has written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life. Former Kabete MP Paul Muite has said his life is in danger adding that a police squad has instructions to kill him. He said the instructions said to have been given to the dreaded Kwekwe squad to kill him might stem from recent statements he made over the composition of the President?s family and the 2005 raid on the Standard Group offices. "It is possible that the last straw might well have come from the latest spat with His Excellency the President over the criminal raid on KTN and the Standard and with his then minister for Internal Security John Michuki," said Mr Muite at a press conference at the Stanley Hotel. Mr Muite also attributed the death threat to recent strong statements he made about the government?s role in extrajudicial killings at the funerals of Oscar King?ara and Paul Oulu, two human rights activists killed in Nairobi last month. He has now written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life and asked him to open investigations into extrajudicial killings in Kenya. Mr Muite, who is also a senior counsel, said he had on Sunday received 'specific information from credible sources? that members of the Kwekwe squad had been given instructions to kill him. The police have consistently denied the existence of the squad that was formed to deal with the outlawed Mungiki sect but Mr Muite said it is still operational and has 14 members, whose names he has. He has not reported the information to the police and said 'it would be an insult? to do so and feared that the police could find out who his informers are. ?It is pointless to report to the police. They are the suspects who should be involved. To report to them will only give them the opportunity to probe where the leak might have occurred so they can deal with the traitor,? he said. The President?s family is yet to sue him despite making a threat to do so on March 16. Mr Michuki has also written to Mr Muite to demand an apology but the lawyer said he had written back and said Mr Michuki can proceed to court. On March 3, President Kibaki called a press conference at State House to clarify that he has only one wife. ?I have gotten in this foul mood after listening to some statements that were made... I want to state that anyone who is bent on that course will see me in court or wherever he will see me. There is no other way,? said the president. Mr Muite said the president?s last statement amounted to a coded threat and said it could have led to the instructions to the police. He was accompanied by his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara, human rights activist Ndung?u Wainaina, Sam Mohochi of the Independent Medico-Legal Unit and members of the Bunge la Mwananchi, a lobby group. Mr Imanyara said he has information from senior police officers, among them a senior superintendent, whose lives have been threatened for refusing to join death squads said to be still operational. He said President Kibaki should explain why senior officers who had been implicated in killings are still working while some have had their tenures renewed. ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch This....... ? Rwanda's ghosts refuse to be buried Fifteen years after the start of the Rwandan genocide, the country is still battling with its demons, author Gerard Prunier writes for BBC Focus on Africa magazine. Machetes were used to slaughter many thousands of people The ghosts still wander in the hills above the Great Lakes, both in Rwanda itself and in the neighbouring Kivu provinces of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Like most ghosts, they are very much alive. They are the survivors of a horror they will never manage to forget - those the Rwandans call "bapfuye buhagazi" or "the walking dead". These are the girls who had abortions after being raped by the interahamwe (the Hutu militia which carried out the killings), the widows, the mothers who saw their children slaughtered before their eyes, the children who grew up after seeing their parents die, the killers haunted by remorse and the killers who feel no remorse at all. The ghosts are also the bystanders who pretended there was nothing they could do, the innocents later unjustly accused of murder, the guilty perpetrators who fear discovery and those who are known and who are blackmailed, the Hutu refugees who never came home and who still live in DR Congo, the Tutsi refugees from the Congo who fled the massacres there and who still linger in Rwandan camps, the madmen and the broken women. In many ways, the perpetrators of the genocide have succeeded. They have managed to encase the whole country in a gigantic airless bubble where everybody pretends that life goes on but where, in many ways, it actually stopped on 7 April 1994. RWANDA'S 1994 GENOCIDE 6 April: Rwandan Hutu President Habyarimana killed when plane shot down April-July: An estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus killed July: Tutsi-led rebel movement RPF captures Rwanda's capital Kigali July: Two million Hutus flee to Zaire, now DR Congo Rwanda's 100 days of genocide The perpetrators have never apologised. In fact, no truth and reconciliation commission based on the South African model has been offered to them, where the real perpetrators are actually present and can be cross-examined. The substitute is the largely artificial structure of the gacaca courts - set up by the Rwandan government based on a system of community justice. Here the perpetrators and innocents are mixed together. The denunciators themselves are often guilty and those who attend seem more interested in staying on the good side of the present regime than on actually delving into the dark labyrinths of the past. The perpetrators have also imposed their ethnic logic on the new regime - described by some as a dictatorship - where any mention of the word "Tutsi" or "Hutu" is strictly forbidden by law. This means that any lucid examination of the relationship between Tutsi and Hutu before, during and after the genocide is now impossible. It is like discussing an infectious disease without being allowed to use the words "germ" or "contagion". Rwanda is now locked into an ideological straight-jacket providing a relentless and official interpretation of history from which all shades of meaning have been sanitised. Belated atonement Which brings us to the second lot of ghosts - those who live far away from the Great Lakes in the Western world. Guilt has kept the West fixated on the genocide: ? Guilt of the Belgian colonisers who were vaguely suspected of having contributed to this mess through their old colonial policies ? Guilt of the French government which had supported some of the worst excesses of the Hutu regime beyond the normal limits of political alliance ? Guilt of the Americans who had refused to use their capacity for military intervention when it was called for ? Finally guilt of the international community when the United Nations compounded its initial blindness by displaying a massive case of multilateral cowardice. In response, and much like in the case of the Holocaust in Europe, there has been a pronounced move towards belated atonement in the West. The result has been predictable. Governments from London to Washington have rallied to the new regime of President Paul Kagame without looking too closely at its behaviour. A backlash of this is a rancid wave of revisionist literature - casting doubts on the scale of the genocide - that has begun to wash ashore, particularly in France and French-speaking Africa. Pursuer of truth The tragedy of this situation has been perfectly embodied in the life of the late Alison Des Forges, a campaigner who died in February in a plane crash in the United States. Alison Des Forges raised awkward questions for Rwanda's regime Des Forges was a specialist in the history of Rwanda whose mission to the country with Eric Gillet of the International Federation for Human Rights in 1992 had drawn attention to the Bugesera massacres. These killings were a dress rehearsal for the horror to follow in 1994. Later she proved to be one of the most relentless pursuers of truth about the genocide, eventually producing Leave None to Tell the Story - an exhaustive compendium on the massacres published by Human Rights Watch. At the time she was criticised by some vocal elements for being a Tutsi stooge, particularly when she testified at the UN war crimes tribunal in Arusha. But she later began to look more closely at the record of the new government. During the course of this she discovered that the 1994 Gersony Report - which the UN had initially commissioned to reassure Rwandan refugees that Mr Kagame's new regime was innocuous - had in fact been telling the truth when it spoke of 30,000 Hutu deaths attributable to the "good guys" in the immediate aftermath of the genocide. This led her to explore the shrinking political space in Rwanda, the choking of human rights and the increasingly authoritarian bent of the now exclusively Tutsi regime. She talked to the government's new opponents (some of them moderate Tutsis) and chronicled the massive violations of human rights that were taking place in the name of political normalisation. She was denounced by the new regime as a "genocide sympathiser" and accused of prejudice and factual manipulation. Shortly before her death she had become persona non grata in Kigali. One film about Rwanda shot shortly after the genocide is called The Dead are Alive. Such is the power of what happened there that nobody can ignore or exploit the genocide unchallenged. This the Rwanda survivors know and a number of observers like Des Forges knew. The ghosts of Rwanda refuse to be buried. Gerard Prunier is the author of From Genocide to Continental War: The 'Congolese' Conflict and the Crisis of Contemporary Africa ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6454293.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/in_pictures_seeking_shelter/html/1.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7685235.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4320858.stm ? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/africa/6181988.stm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 13:51:11 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] PNU Strategy for ODM to pull out of Coalition Government Message-ID: <54155.71462.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Corruption in Kenya is erroding all commnon sense efforts?to reform in Kenya.? We must not therefore let PNU by all means to scuttle public core demands?to?remove root cause of corruption?that blocks?change to take effect in Kenyan. ? Watch this..... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EItIoubCNx0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZxUGK0DUXg ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgcEOnqOSFE ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSG-KyHWnN0 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoAmNo89dAs ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNGlJS3Y94c ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr58Yj_FUr8 ? ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 09:28:45 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Image Message-ID: <513353.45207.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am concerned that the Rt Hon Prime Minister is not getting the correct advice. Things are getting elephant in Kenya, and sadly, he makes a joke out of what he does and says. The Prime Minister must concentrate on matters that touch on the heart of the country. He must look at the full implementation of the National Accord to the benefit of all Kenyans. It is sad when the PM complains about toilets and carpets at a time when Kenya is being faced by inept leadership from the CEO. I bet this is the time the PM must stand tall and show that he is different. After all, most Kenyans who believe in peace want the National Accord to be fully implemented. There is no way Kibaki and Kalonzo with the support of 1and a half a province can run rough shod on all of us Kenyans from 6 and a half provinces. Again, there is no way Kibaki can take all the key institutions and pack with his cronies at the expense all kenyans. These are things Kenyans would be happy if the PM addressed. Toilets and carpets are none issues. The issues are that Kibaki has taken Kenya to the dogs. He has systematically taken over all the money matters; Central Bank, Treasury, Kenya Revenue Authority at the expense of all Kenya. He has taken over all security matters; Police, GSU, AP, Army, Air Force, Navy, NSIS, CID, and packed the same with his own tribesmen. And he has given Migingo away! He has taken over the Judiciary; Chief Justice; Court of Appeal when the loyal Nyamu has now been posted in preparations for 2012; State Law Office, Kenya Anti- Corruption Commission and packed the same with his own people in preparation for 2012. Kenya is crying for leadership and this is the time that we would have expected some difference from the Prime Minister. But if he can only complain about toilets, things that give him his personal comfort only, then we have a long way to go. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 09:13:11 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] UGANDA HAS SEND MORE SOLDIERS TO THE DISPUTED MIGINGO ISLAND DESPITE OF THE REPORTED LUSAKA WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN KIBAKI AND MUSEVENI. Message-ID: <523843.82009.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> UGANDA HAS SEND MORE SOLDIERS TO THE DISPUTED MIGINGO ISLAND DESPITE OF THE REPORTED LUSAKA WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN KIBAKI AND MUSEVENI. News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo Despite the widely reported warmness with which President of Kenya and Uganda met in the Zambia capital where they discuss wide range of issues of cordial diplomacy, bilateral and economic relation between the two countries more Ugandan soldiers landed on the disputed Migingo fish Island in Lake Victoria on Tuseday afternoon. The soldiers arrived on in two boats ?One carrying the soldiers and other one ferried food and military supplies.? The Kenyan fishermen reported that what they were seeing could only amount to a new round of foreign occupation of the disputed island Ugandans are said to have transporting food and other essential suppliers from Bugiri district, which is about ten hours water sailing distant in speed boats. This happened after Kenya traders operating on the Island and the surrounding beaches declined to sell to them any food stuff in an attempt to drive them a way. Two weeks ago, Uganda boat ferrying fuel and other supplies to the island capsized and sunk spilling into the lake water close to 5o barrels of fuel and oil. The incident immediately sparked fears that fish and other marine lives within the Migingo environs might be wiped out as the result of the spilled oil contaminating the nearby waters. Museveni and Kibaki on Tuesday held a close door meeting in the Zambian Capital Lusaka and were reported by all major International news agencies to have struck an agreement that the two countries adhere to the joint agreement over the disputed Island. They were further reported to have agreed that the dispute over the fishing Island must not overshadow the god and cordial relation that is currently existing between the two countries. The two Presidents were in Lusaka were they attended a regional Comesa summit with other heads of state and government from the member countries.. However report on the ground say that Uganda has sent more troops and equipment to patrol the one acre rocky island in dispute. The arrival of fresh Ugandan troops in two boats, one carrying men and the other carrying arms and ammunition caused a lot of panicking among the Kenyan fishermen, who had expected to complete a total withdrawal of all the forces from the Isand by last weekend. A spokesman of the fishermen Mr.Juma Ombori who is the vice chairman of the Migingo Beach Management Committee said that the new arrival caused panic on the troubled island with fishermen expressing fear that diplomacy over the resolution of the row had failed. At the same time a team of surveyors had arrived in Migingo and its environs and started mopping out the borders of the two countries in the Lake Victoria. Uganda has failed to comply with an agreement reached in two separate meetings in Kenya and Migingo for they remove both their flags and trops from the island. Although Migingo meeting late last month agreed that Kenya should also send police officers to the island. This has yet to be done due to what is widely believesd could have been the final touches of mapping out the island. It has also been reported that once out of 14 Kenyan fishermen who were arrested at the weekend at Bumbe and Busijo in Busia district have taken been to Bugiri and charged in Uganda courts with the offence of using illegal fishing gears Government official said seven of the 8 were released after the information of the Government which pointed out the Kenyan side of Lake Victoria. Meanwhile Kenya?s first ever National fisheries policy could see the country get more than 10 billion from the marine fish annually by the year 2014. According to current statistics, marine fish handling stands at 7,000 tones a year but this could redouble and raise to 200,000 tones value at Ksh. 10 billion annually if the National Oceans and Fisheries Policy is implemented. The new policy guideline was launched early this year in Mombasa by the Prime Minister Raila Odinga who said such pragmatic policy has been lacking ever since independence in 1963 but if implemented to the letter it would create wealth and employment opportunities. ?we would begin to look at fisheries resources as popular vehicle to wealthy creation of jobs?, the Prime Minister said The implementation of the policy would need Ksh. 4.5 billion each year starting in the year 2009/2010 financial year for the next three years, he said and this would be used to finance infrastructure upgrade and structuring to operationise four bodies on fisheries management. The fisheries would focus on quality assurance and marketing. The PM announced that the Kenya government would invest in a fish port with adequate infrastructure to handle up to 500 fishing vessels per day. ?In this regard, the government has embarked on plans to construct a fish port. Once completed the port will enhance the exploitation of Kenya?s exclusive economic zone,?said Mr. Odinga The Fisheries Minister Dr. Paul Otuoma accompanied the PM and promised he would fast track the National Oceans and Fisheries Bill to operationalise the policy approved last December. The Minister said the policy would make the fisheries industry a vibrant, promote conservation and generate employment and maximize revenue from fisheries . The country, however, he said should invest in equipment to protect fisheries,reseache and fishermen in the India Ocean. Lake Victoria and Lake Trukana who face constant harassment fro external sources. Kenya fishermen, said the Minister require protection from external aggression,? he Ends Leooderaomolo at yahoo.com said. From sebyyke at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 20:11:28 2009 From: sebyyke at yahoo.com (Sebastian Onyango) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] THE MAFIA ARE IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP NOT KALONZO Message-ID: <232489.59032.qm@web63303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Peter, ? The mafia were represented by one of their own at the Airport yesterday atleast I saw him just to confirm to myself that its the mafia who are incharge whether Kibaki is in or out of Kenya and I for sure was satisfied about it becuase MPs and Ministers attended the meeting with him and the prezo at the airport. Kalonzo will soon realise the folly of everything when the chicken will come home to roost as it did for Karua last friday. It may not be tommorrow or next week or next month or year but it sure shall come to pass. Ask one Moody, One Kombo, One Mukhisa, One Kibwana, One Kalembe?et al., ? However we must not loose hope for hope is the only sentiment (the holy book calls it a gift)?that keeps us struggling with life's many demands list of all a corrupt, inept, sterile, bankrupt and bastardized leadership.?For where there is a will, there must be a way. I am sure you know about tis even in our own private lives!!! ? Kenyans need to study the situation with open minds. One is using the current leadership but applying pressure through organised petitions to reform minded MPs, parties and particularly on ODM to use parliament as a launching pad for an all drawn out war against this mafia. Poeple right from the village must embark on calculated civil disobedience akin to the one Moi was subjected to in which every weekend witnessed?one form of mass action or another and the economy could therefore not perform and so they had no money to steal. In brief the governement was disfunctional!!! ? Expenditures must be scrutinised by parliament and the civil society, Police Act changed to make officers liable to civil prosecution on misuse of firearms on unarmed civilians, Power of AG to controll prosecution must be changed to allow civilians same to stem impunity; Parliament must demand disbandent of Administration Police?unit; A?national police oversight board appointed by parlaiment and a constituency/Division based police oversight board elected by locals?must be introduced to controll personalised law enforcements and stop the misuse of firearms for political and civil causes,?New military procurements should be blocked by ODM and other reform minded parties?in parliament; recruitment of?all manner of people into the struggle including members of the armed forces; explaining to our Kikuyu brothers the difference between tribal eating and mafia-cum-homegaurds eating/rule; the dangers posed by these uneducated, senile and?semi-literate ruling mafias to our nation state etc need to be underscored to all and sundry. In brief progressive minds must embark on a massive mobiliation of like-mended individuals to block these manouvers by the Kibakis and Saitotis and Uhurus and Muhohos et al. ? Last but not least Kenyans must begin to identify the real threat to our national intergration which is the tribal based philosophy of divide and rule?by the ruling elites/current political class. Tribal politics was and remains a divide and rule ploy that the masses have fallen for through the generations.?How many Luos are beneficiaries of this tribal rule despite?a Luo having held the VP and Prime minister positions respectively.. I am sure just a couple of Kalenjins benefitted from? Moi's rule otheriwse they should all be millionaires. What about Kikuyus with Kenyatta having ruled for 15 years and now Kibaki? Are they now all okay becuase they are rulling? If that were the case there would be no mass murders (police killings)?taking place in central and nairobi in the name of mungiki! In fact we would be having street children only from the other tribes but we know how far this is from reality!! ? Kenyans must realise that there are only two genuine tribes in Kenya: The schooled and unschooled workers and their underemployed and unemployed compatriots, on whose back the corrupt continue to drive to their never ending cocophony of riches, on the one hand and the opportunistic, corrupt, nepotistic and?tribalistic imbeciles to whom we have surrendered the instruments of power, which instrument they continue to use to lord it over us while impoverishing the masses without any mercy, guilt or decency.? ? Kenyans must also realise that no country in the world ever built and negotiated a working covenant of how they are to be governed?during peace time. American had civil war that ushered in their real independence constitution; The French went through a revolution; Germans had their own war between the east and the west?and lately?Kenya had?its own but it was miscarried by hurried negotiations and a quick fix despite our opposition and I don't need to belabour what transpired becuase of the brief war.?Are these examples?not enough to?inspire us to be ready to champion for a revolution. ? "A generation must bear the cost of the rebirth of a new Kenya and we have to choose whether it will be our generation or not!! It will not be easy but it can be done!!!!" ? Finally, progressive minds must begin to search for a workable formula through which it can translate its ideas into tangible outcomes for the benefit of Kenyans. I just don't know how this can be done other than the thoughts Ihave shared above, but it has to be done or we must forever keep our peace and shut up. What a pity and what agony this brings to us and the children of our children. ? Sebastian --- On Mon, 4/6/09, PETERS KN wrote: From: PETERS KN Subject: Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite.org, editor at majimbokenya.com, editorial at eastandard.net, africa-oped at yahoogroups.com, "youngprofessionals" , progressiveminds at yahoogroups.com, ProgressiveMinds at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:57 PM Good analysis Barack and Sebastian, ? I normally wonder ever if Kibaki is REALLY in charge of the country, let alone when he is away on foreign 'sell-Kenya- to the-highest- bidder' trips (especially ever since the accident in 2002). Is he???? ? My?other query is what did Agwambo, other politicians of good repute and the general populace think about what Kibaki would deliver after 'winning' the elections in a funny/disputed manner??? ? Sebastian... ..your 4th paragraph is now what we live in this dear Republic..... a leadership, nay, rulership that cares less about our welfare as Kenyans. ? I'm getting chills if I believe that your 5th paragraph will come to pass......that Dec07 and Jan08 was a rehearsal??? I tend to believe in this because?all that is happening now as you have described was summarised by the cordoning of KICC & the CBD?in mid-Dec.07.. ......... ......... .......... ......... ......... I am just wondering when the cordoning will start this time. ? The big question is "Will we be ready as ProgressiveMinds? " ? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Sebastian Onyango wrote: From: Sebastian Onyango Subject: Re: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite .org, editor at majimbokenya .com, editorial at eastandar d.net, africa-oped@ yahoogroups. com, "youngprofessionals " , progressiveminds@ yahoogroups. com, ProgressiveMinds@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:52 PM Barack, ? I agree with your sentiments almost in total!! There is no coalition government and as things stand you only need to know that according to the ruling mafia, Raila is already out! The question they are groping with is just how to do away with him totally? ? There are two scenarios! Ruto is likely to be offered the PM role should Raila attempt to pull out and as we all know, he will accept it as deputy leader of ODM becuase arrangements have been and are being made to soothe him and crwon him as head of Kalenjin leadership with fake goodies to make?him dump mainstream ODM for cooperation with PNU. The release of Kibor is just to prepare the way although we know that he should have been released long time ago. ? The other scenario is where Raila decides to stay put untill 2012 as PM as he has stated but has no say in government becuase all the instruments of power are going to be withdrawn given that ODM is already lameduck, thanks to the neophytes who entered parliament the other day. In this scenario Kibaki is going to crawl back to full presidential power and ignore the coalition law in total. Then he will start firing and hiring at will to appease the group I am talking about so that they can cause maximum damage to ODM. The appointment of judges was just to test the waters! Just watch what is going to happen.That is why I agree with you that Agwambo has boxed himself into a tight corner. ? The only sad thing is that this government does not stand for the interest of Kenyans including our Kikuyu brothers save for the children of homegaurds who have taken over from their fathers and will inevitably hand over power to their own children to the exclusion of the the rest of kenyans, including the true?children of?freedom fighters?who have nothing to show for the labour of their forefathers except being reffered to as poor, mungiki, touts etc. ? As for 2012, Raila and company must forget! APs and the provincial administration are already being prepared for rigging of the 2012 election! Just look at the procurement votes for these two departments of goevernment to understand what awaits those dreaming of 2012 and how this mafias operate! As for the military you just need to know what is happening with promotions there! The massacre that will take place in 2012 should kenyans attempt an uprising will dwarf any that has ever happened. ? That is why I submit that waiting for 2012 is not the answer! If Kenyans forced Moi to repael section 2A and introduce multiparty without a single MP in parliament supporting them, Kenyans can change everything with even a lameduck PM provided he is willing to take the gamble and provide leadership! After all in politics you must always take a risk! ? But come to think of it! If you can cheat death then you can also cheat your enemy atleast more than once! This is the puzzle that must be broken!! Otherwise Kenyans should forget ever removing these mafias, who feed on the blood of their own children, from power. ? Sebastian ? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, barack abonyo wrote: From: barack abonyo Subject: [ProgressiveMinds] WHO IS IN CHARGE WHEN KIBAKI IS ON A FOREIGN TRIP To: "jaluo jaluo" , jambo at publiceyesite .org, editor at majimbokenya .com, editorial at eastandar d.net, africa-oped@ yahoogroups. com, "youngprofessionals " , progressiveminds@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:54 PM It is not a long time ago when many questioned the powersharing aspect?in the coalition. Kibaki did not hide his intentions right from the begininning. Immediately after the coalition agreement was signed,?the public especially those who belonged to the opposition?questioned?if the ministerial positions were to be disbursed equally based on acknowledged powers and priority.? From the very beginning it was obvious that Kibaki had no intentions of sharing power with Raila. However, it was also obvious that the prime minister Raila Odinga was totally trusting and naive hence was not ready to fight or udge for the same. A blind man could see that the distribution was very unequal. ? As far as Kenya is concerned, the most powerful ministries are defence/national security, finance, energy, justice and constitutional affairs. As you can see below, all these positions went to PNU not to mention that only one of those positions was given to a non GEMA. George Saitoti? Provincial Administration and National security Kiraitu Murungi- Energy Uhuru Kenyatta- Finance Martha Karua- Justice and Constitutional affairs Moses Watengula- Foreing Affairs ? While many were not convinced that ODM?was given?a good deal, the captain took the pain to state that everything was ok and power sharing was a done deal. Indeed the PM sacrificed his popularity in the Rift Valley over this because many still thought he bargained for himslef rather the masses. No one was happy within ODM and they spoke to the deaf ears of the PM. ? My concern is this. Why did it take Raila and those around him so long to see this? Were they this blind? Whenever the president left the country was Raila the one incharge??The president has left the country so many times and during these times, the prime minister should have been the person in charge. The quetsion is was he???No he was not but he still perservered. The president is out of the country right now Mr. PM, are you incharge of the country. If you are not then this baby is not yours. ? The fact of the matter is that Kibaki has made sure that?prime minister becomes a? toothless dog. While he showered Raila with goodies and previlages?here and there he made him useless. Raila woke up too late. He realised that even the little he had was being withdrawn slowly by slowly untill finally he could not even have a toilet behind the dais in Mombasa.. ? My problem with this issue is that this is not the first time Kibaki did this to Odinga. This begs the question as to who is smarter or who is stupid. Like they say, fool me once but twice shame on you. Raila has been fooled twice in a row. Why? Here is my answer. It is in Raila's character which I believe it is time for him to?do something about?it. Raila does not listen to advise. It is his way and his way is always what is in personal interest. As someone once said, Raila is so fixed into the belief that he must become the absolute leader of Kenya to an extent that he sometimes sacrifices the very fundamental pathway, people, advice and?ideas that can secure him the position. It is impossible to operate like this in the current Kenya. This may be his last chance. ? Raila has not learned from his past mistakes. Now he is saying he will continue with the coalition. Mr. Prime minister, there is no coalition. Start working on your exit strategy. If you dont, you will soon wake up to the amazement that somebody else in your party has been appointed the prime minister and your security details is being withdrawn. Do not tell me that the coalition codes will be followed. There are no laws to be obeyed in Kenya Mr. PM. Martha Karus just resigned. You do not know anything about this governement and hence you should not pretend to be a part of it.. The writting is on the wall. Dr. Barack Abonyo Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! 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Kofi Annan and the United Nations with world leaders must not let this kind of situation as in Kenya to go on.? Something must be done and done extremely fast without wasting more time.? We have seen events of times and warnings of worse situation going to the extreme with worse casualties that need to?be stopped immediately.? Kibaki's group will not bulge, they do not learn, they are unwilling to cooperate, they are instigators, they are sturbborn and stiff necked, they have fixed minds and are uncooperative, they dont want change, they do not respect the signed peace accord which provided for the Coalition Government existance and have intent to continually frustrate?PM Raila in the 50/50 signed sharing of the Government so he should quit the Coalition Agreement.? They prefer using iron fist?and scuttled?Civil Society to have their way while?silencing good people of Kenya who are demanding for change which is?their right to living a honorable life. ? Kenya is a hub of African survival.? We will not let go situation like those of Rwanda genocide to?take toll order?in Kenya or even let finalization of cases to take long at the Hague as it has been seen in Rwanda, Congo, Uganda, Sudan and conflicts such?like is seen in Uganda, because it has destroyed element of hope?that connects?genuine livelihood as is purported by God for mankind.? These are the reasons why World leaders together with US President Obama needs to step in at this juncture.? We will have no rest until and unless they put aside all other issues to jointly consolidate efforts to safeguard and prioritize situation?in Kenya bringing United Nations Missions together to discuss?in a concerted effort to finding resolution in Kenya.? ? Kenya?being the known hub of?African cannot be left behind in a structural new world order of development partnership and networking?from economic world crisis reorganization.? I attach news?notes for reference hereunder of civil war destruction in Rwanda, Congo Uganda and Southern Sudan...........? ? I appeal therefore, that we call upon Kofi Annan and other eminent leaders to include Kenyan Party Leaders, Civil Societies, Individual Consultants?and other Human Rights representatives with some Legal professionals to a special meeting?in Washington DC as soon as is necessary?to stragegize way forward for Kenya.?? ? For healing to take place in Kenya, culprits of those who pre-planned genocide (facts are available) and who triggered conflicts by theaving of election in Kibaki's camp with those who in the same camp have become continually unremorseful and stubborn and who in refusal to resolving peace accord structure #4 in providing the much needed change desired by Kenyans?are commiting plunder of National Assets and by?causing serious socio/economic crimes against humanity,?be arraigned to Hague faster than previously planned, so to give Kenya a breathing space and a chance to heal.? ? This is the only way it will serve as a measure for?people of such greed influence to tore the line and never again?treat human beings without respect like animals without value.? Human beings rich or poor need to be valued, respected with dignity and virtue.? There must be therefore a demonstrated committment and?responsibilities in association between leadership management of public properties and assets in the government in a transparent and in accountability manner on behalf of electorates, since elected leaders are the custodians of public properties and interest.? Under discipline and order when restored, we are?able to create structural environment for sustainable investments to benefit all Citizens and?is able to creat jobs with good social environment full of hope for the future. Security, Law and Order will be a requirement respected and provided to all. ? By copy of this email, I forward heart felt promt request to US President Obama to intervene and allow?Foreign US Secretary Hillary Clinton to pursue coordination of this request in a speedy manner so to arrest down trend of failing conditions and a repeat of situation like those of Rwanda, Congo, Uganda and endless conflicts of Southern Sudan, which have destroyed fabric of livelihood in those parts of Africa. ? I hope to hear from aforesaid above and will make follow-up for the same. ? Sincerely, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? News My life is in danger, claims Muite ? Former Kabete MP Paul Muite in a pensive mood as his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara addresses the press on Wednesday. The former MP said his life was in danger. Photo/HEZRON NJOROGE ? By?JOHN NGIRACHUPosted?Wednesday, April 8?2009?at?14:42 In Summary Muite says he has written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life. Former Kabete MP Paul Muite has said his life is in danger adding that a police squad has instructions to kill him. He said the instructions said to have been given to the dreaded Kwekwe squad to kill him might stem from recent statements he made over the composition of the President?s family and the 2005 raid on the Standard Group offices. "It is possible that the last straw might well have come from the latest spat with His Excellency the President over the criminal raid on KTN and the Standard and with his then minister for Internal Security John Michuki," said Mr Muite at a press conference at the Stanley Hotel. Mr Muite also attributed the death threat to recent strong statements he made about the government?s role in extrajudicial killings at the funerals of Oscar King?ara and Paul Oulu, two human rights activists killed in Nairobi last month. He has now written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life and asked him to open investigations into extrajudicial killings in Kenya. Mr Muite, who is also a senior counsel, said he had on Sunday received 'specific information from credible sources? that members of the Kwekwe squad had been given instructions to kill him. The police have consistently denied the existence of the squad that was formed to deal with the outlawed Mungiki sect but Mr Muite said it is still operational and has 14 members, whose names he has. He has not reported the information to the police and said 'it would be an insult? to do so and feared that the police could find out who his informers are. ?It is pointless to report to the police. They are the suspects who should be involved. To report to them will only give them the opportunity to probe where the leak might have occurred so they can deal with the traitor,? he said. The President?s family is yet to sue him despite making a threat to do so on March 16. Mr Michuki has also written to Mr Muite to demand an apology but the lawyer said he had written back and said Mr Michuki can proceed to court. On March 3, President Kibaki called a press conference at State House to clarify that he has only one wife. ?I have gotten in this foul mood after listening to some statements that were made... I want to state that anyone who is bent on that course will see me in court or wherever he will see me. There is no other way,? said the president. Mr Muite said the president?s last statement amounted to a coded threat and said it could have led to the instructions to the police. He was accompanied by his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara, human rights activist Ndung?u Wainaina, Sam Mohochi of the Independent Medico-Legal Unit and members of the Bunge la Mwananchi, a lobby group. Mr Imanyara said he has information from senior police officers, among them a senior superintendent, whose lives have been threatened for refusing to join death squads said to be still operational. He said President Kibaki should explain why senior officers who had been implicated in killings are still working while some have had their tenures renewed. ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? Watch This....... ? Rwanda's ghosts refuse to be buried Fifteen years after the start of the Rwandan genocide, the country is still battling with its demons, author Gerard Prunier writes for BBC Focus on Africa magazine. Machetes were used to slaughter many thousands of people The ghosts still wander in the hills above the Great Lakes, both in Rwanda itself and in the neighbouring Kivu provinces of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Like most ghosts, they are very much alive. They are the survivors of a horror they will never manage to forget - those the Rwandans call "bapfuye buhagazi" or "the walking dead". These are the girls who had abortions after being raped by the interahamwe (the Hutu militia which carried out the killings), the widows, the mothers who saw their children slaughtered before their eyes, the children who grew up after seeing their parents die, the killers haunted by remorse and the killers who feel no remorse at all. The ghosts are also the bystanders who pretended there was nothing they could do, the innocents later unjustly accused of murder, the guilty perpetrators who fear discovery and those who are known and who are blackmailed, the Hutu refugees who never came home and who still live in DR Congo, the Tutsi refugees from the Congo who fled the massacres there and who still linger in Rwandan camps, the madmen and the broken women. In many ways, the perpetrators of the genocide have succeeded. They have managed to encase the whole country in a gigantic airless bubble where everybody pretends that life goes on but where, in many ways, it actually stopped on 7 April 1994. RWANDA'S 1994 GENOCIDE 6 April: Rwandan Hutu President Habyarimana killed when plane shot down April-July: An estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus killed July: Tutsi-led rebel movement RPF captures Rwanda's capital Kigali July: Two million Hutus flee to Zaire, now DR Congo Rwanda's 100 days of genocide The perpetrators have never apologised. In fact, no truth and reconciliation commission based on the South African model has been offered to them, where the real perpetrators are actually present and can be cross-examined. The substitute is the largely artificial structure of the gacaca courts - set up by the Rwandan government based on a system of community justice. Here the perpetrators and innocents are mixed together. The denunciators themselves are often guilty and those who attend seem more interested in staying on the good side of the present regime than on actually delving into the dark labyrinths of the past. The perpetrators have also imposed their ethnic logic on the new regime - described by some as a dictatorship - where any mention of the word "Tutsi" or "Hutu" is strictly forbidden by law. This means that any lucid examination of the relationship between Tutsi and Hutu before, during and after the genocide is now impossible. It is like discussing an infectious disease without being allowed to use the words "germ" or "contagion". Rwanda is now locked into an ideological straight-jacket providing a relentless and official interpretation of history from which all shades of meaning have been sanitised. Belated atonement Which brings us to the second lot of ghosts - those who live far away from the Great Lakes in the Western world. Guilt has kept the West fixated on the genocide: ? Guilt of the Belgian colonisers who were vaguely suspected of having contributed to this mess through their old colonial policies ? Guilt of the French government which had supported some of the worst excesses of the Hutu regime beyond the normal limits of political alliance ? Guilt of the Americans who had refused to use their capacity for military intervention when it was called for ? Finally guilt of the international community when the United Nations compounded its initial blindness by displaying a massive case of multilateral cowardice. In response, and much like in the case of the Holocaust in Europe, there has been a pronounced move towards belated atonement in the West. The result has been predictable. Governments from London to Washington have rallied to the new regime of President Paul Kagame without looking too closely at its behaviour. A backlash of this is a rancid wave of revisionist literature - casting doubts on the scale of the genocide - that has begun to wash ashore, particularly in France and French-speaking Africa. Pursuer of truth The tragedy of this situation has been perfectly embodied in the life of the late Alison Des Forges, a campaigner who died in February in a plane crash in the United States. Alison Des Forges raised awkward questions for Rwanda's regime Des Forges was a specialist in the history of Rwanda whose mission to the country with Eric Gillet of the International Federation for Human Rights in 1992 had drawn attention to the Bugesera massacres. These killings were a dress rehearsal for the horror to follow in 1994. Later she proved to be one of the most relentless pursuers of truth about the genocide, eventually producing Leave None to Tell the Story - an exhaustive compendium on the massacres published by Human Rights Watch. At the time she was criticised by some vocal elements for being a Tutsi stooge, particularly when she testified at the UN war crimes tribunal in Arusha. But she later began to look more closely at the record of the new government. During the course of this she discovered that the 1994 Gersony Report - which the UN had initially commissioned to reassure Rwandan refugees that Mr Kagame's new regime was innocuous - had in fact been telling the truth when it spoke of 30,000 Hutu deaths attributable to the "good guys" in the immediate aftermath of the genocide. This led her to explore the shrinking political space in Rwanda, the choking of human rights and the increasingly authoritarian bent of the now exclusively Tutsi regime. She talked to the government's new opponents (some of them moderate Tutsis) and chronicled the massive violations of human rights that were taking place in the name of political normalisation. She was denounced by the new regime as a "genocide sympathiser" and accused of prejudice and factual manipulation. Shortly before her death she had become persona non grata in Kigali. One film about Rwanda shot shortly after the genocide is called The Dead are Alive. Such is the power of what happened there that nobody can ignore or exploit the genocide unchallenged. This the Rwanda survivors know and a number of observers like Des Forges knew. The ghosts of Rwanda refuse to be buried. Gerard Prunier is the author of From Genocide to Continental War: The 'Congolese' Conflict and the Crisis of Contemporary Africa ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6454293.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/in_pictures_seeking_shelter/html/1.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7685235.stm ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4320858.stm ? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/africa/6181988.stm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 15:15:54 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (jbatec at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Protocol issues that won't go away Message-ID: <52116.40070.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Folks, ? 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Message-ID: Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps tribalism (*persons bound together by language...and customs*) is a generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(*and the other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8*). Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% players of french speaking. Fergie,(*the individual record holder of gum chewing*) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in Kenya by saying ooh this leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' Just wondering......... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Some of those asking such questions know very well the consequences of involving themselves or doing such things! The question, "What's wrong with drinking alcohol/beer," gives an impression that there is nothing wrong in doing so. What are some of the reasons why people drink alcohol/beer? Here are some of the reasons: -Some use the story of Jesus turning water into wine as found in the book of John 2:1-11 as a leeway! What they fail to understand is that such wine was not fermented and therefore would not affect any faculty of the brain! -Some use 1 Timothy 5:23,"Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses." Perhaps the question we should ask here is, "How many of those who drink alcohol do so because of sickness? -As a means of entertainment? -To scape from the daily frustrations! What are the reasons why the good Lord need us to leave alcohol/beer alone? -3 John verse 2, Our Lord wants us to be in good health. -Isaiah 55:5, Our God does not want us to spend money buying that which is not food. -1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19, Paul tells us that we are God's temple and therefore must not defile His temple. -Proverbs 30:29-35 gives us a list of things that go wrong with the drinking. Proverb 31:4 reads, "It is not for Kings, O Lemuel-not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer!" -Galatians 5:19-Those who drink will not inherit the kingdom of God. The drinking of alcohol/beer has done the following damage: -It has ruined many families as either husband or wife has lost the job and sold almost everything due to excessive drinking. -Many have lost their lives due to the reckless behavior of one drunkard. -Many students have been expelled from colleges and caused untold headache to their parents due to drinking. -Many have lost good jobs due to this behavior of drinking. And with all these, it's hard to understand why anyone should open his or her mouth and allow alcohol/beer to go through it. If you know anyone who is drinking, please plead with them to leave it alone! Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From henry.chira at apainsurance.org Thu Apr 9 01:01:20 2009 From: henry.chira at apainsurance.org (henry chira) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:01:20 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Easter wishes Message-ID: --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good point ED. We need to look at tribalism more positively. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////// "Being rich is having money; being wealthy is having time." - Stephen Swid, executive (b. 1941) _____ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ed moses Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:10 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps tribalism (persons bound together by language...and customs) is a generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(and the other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8). Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% players of french speaking. Fergie,(the individual record holder of gum chewing) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in Kenya by saying ooh this leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' Just wondering......... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I felt impressed to read the following three passages: Mathew 5:19 "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teachers others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Mathew 18:6-7 "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come." James 3:1 "Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." It occurred to me that we must not only do what the Apostle Paul urges us to do, "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling," but also be careful lest we become a stumbling block to someone. In all that we do, we must see into it that we don't cause anyone to sin! What does this mean? Here is how I understand it: -We must make sure that what we teach others in based on the sure word of God. If you are not sure, I plead with you to search first! Do not do it for anything else other than wanting to see others Saved! Do not oppose that which you do not quite understand! -Let us not be a bad influence to others by what we see/watch, eat, drink, wear, say/talk, and write. -We must be careful lest we send mixed signals by the places we hang around and the friends we walk with! -If we have declared ourselves His followers/disciples then we must not buy for anyone or promote in anyway such things like cigarettes and alcoholic beverages of any kind. We can not mix heavenly stuff with the common things. -We must avoid being in the lukewarm condition. We must choose either the world or God. We can't have it both ways. Read Revelation 3:14-16 and Mathew 6:24. -We must not lead others to sin by either our presence or absence! But can we be able to do all these by ourselves? No; and that is why the man of Galilee taught, "But without me, you can do nothing," (John15:5.) The good news, though, is that, like Daniel,(Daniel 1:8,) you and I can purpose in our hearts to do the right thing! Indeed, I am willing to do that and even more! What about you? Blessings. Pr Birai www.themaranathasdachurch.org If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From asheenbooksclub at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 02:01:17 2009 From: asheenbooksclub at gmail.com (NAIROBI KENYA) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:01:17 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] HAPPY EASTER HOLIDAY Message-ID: Hallo Friends, Asheen Books Club wishes you a very *Happy Easter** *holiday. *Asheen Books Club* offers you an opportunity to read a great book over this Easter period at *10 % discount* on membership fee. This offer runs from 9th April 2009 to 13th of April 2009 at 1200hours. You may also buy your friend/child/husband/wife/enemy (all) a book gift at 5% discount. 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Is it true that the government has issued a quit notice to those peasants around the area known as Kalalani so as it can put up the new district headquarters of Busia and an airstrip to boot? I also hear that the village headman went around telling the locals that if they don't accept to sell off the land -and go wherever nobody cares to know - they will evicted by force? Anybody with information? Where the heck is that retiree MP of Butula, his fawning praise singers and the so-called Marachi leaders and their sidekicks to answer? Mr Onyura, Mr Joseph Oyula, Dr Ogeng'o and?your sidekicks speak up... ? hi all, "Anyone who stops learning is old. Whether at 20 or 80. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. the greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young!!!!" Henry Ford Rgds Josephine kamanthe --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com Thu Apr 9 05:18:22 2009 From: Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com (Anthony Wangondu) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:18:22 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? In-Reply-To: <783145.53398.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <783145.53398.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB0725877F87FF631@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Tribalism, nationalism, old boys' network whatever you want to call it - what the key protest is about unfairness and negative practices.....my only problem with forum members is negative tribalism when they spew vitriol especially on the kikuyus due to the ills of the so called Mt Kenya Mafia. An example - I personally love scenic Kitale, I enjoy Swahili well spoken as in the coast, I love the dignity and personal pride associated with the Luo and all the various soccer skills we get from all over Kenya. I travel all the time and the welcome, hospitality and humaneness I get from villages as diverse as Gatanga, Migori, Chemahoho and Kwale is beautiful and humbling. This is positive tribalism, nationalism, whatever you want to call it. The negative type, which we have been taught by our politicians, where we brand and then hate communities based on simplistic prejudices is what we protest so strongly about . Let's take the lead as Young Professionals and promote positivity and bin the negative political tribalism as eschewed by our so called politicians From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of juliachumba2002 at yahoo.com Sent: 09 April 2009 10:10 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? --- On Thu, 4/9/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:10 AM Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps tribalism (persons bound together by language...and customs) is a generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(and the other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8). Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% players of french speaking. Fergie,(the individual record holder of gum chewing) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in Kenya by saying ooh this leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' Just wondering......... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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He is justifying tribalism in Kenya by bringing in the players in the English Soccer League. He needs to bear the following points in mind: ? ???? i.? Spain and France are two countries and the players he isrefering to are not one tribe - in the case of?France the players are a mixture of Europeans and Africans; ? ???? ii. The Clubs are private entities whose?owners?are driven by profits as opposed to a nation where what matters is the global (national) good of all citizens who are the owners of the country and its assets/resources; ? ???? iii.? The fact that a club manager is partisan by fielding people from his country ( which is wrong) does not make it right for?others to do the same - we cannot justify a wrong?with?another wrong; ? ???? iv. To imply that one can only trust his own tribe is a fallacy and such a practice will mean that Kenyans will always fight during elections because politicians will convince their tribe that the president must come from their tribe so that they can reap the goodies.? ? Dr. George Wainaina, PhD. Chairman, ONE KENYA ONE NATION ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --- On Wed, 4/8/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:10 PM Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps tribalism (persons bound together by language...and customs)?is a generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(and the other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8). Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% players of french speaking. Fergie,(the individual record holder?of gum chewing) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in Kenya by saying ooh this?leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' ? Just wondering......... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <321733.71917.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OUR POLITICAL CLASS MUST AVOID THE USE OF UNCIVIL LANGUAGE AGAINST EACH OTHER AND LEARNT TO BE TOLERANT. Commentary By Leo Odera Omolo It is always healthy at times for our leaders to disagree on certain matters of principles, and on issues affecting our society, but it is imperative that they must all the time display the high degree of political magnanimity by avoiding the use of uncivil language against each other. What has emerged ever since the Kilaguni Lodge fiasco, is the increasingly alarming use of uncivil language, vitriol?s and mudslinging from both camps of our political divide. When I say both camps, I meant PNU and ODM as the antagonists and paratagonists at the same time. It was sad indeed that both sides admitted having traveled to Kilaguni Lodge for their weekend retreat, while armed with the two different set of agenda, though they are all serving in one grand coalition government that most Kenyans perceived to be a government of national unity, though in the real sense, it is a transitional one. It would have been only good for the sake of good governance and mutual understanding if the two principals in the coalition had met prior to boarding the mad train to Kilaguni Lodge and ironed out their differences before washing their dirty lenient in the public domains. By saying the two principals, I mean President Kibaki and the Prime Minister Raila Odinga forget the joy-riders like the VICE president Klobnzo Musyoka, Minister Mutula Kilonzo, Minister Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta and Minister Ali Chirau Mwakwere. Kibaki and Raila should have agreed in principles as who should be taken aboard. This is because whose names I have mentioned above had come from different political parties, which were beaten hands down at the 2007 polls, but only sneaked into the cabinet through the back door and as such their sycophantic outbursts on issues affecting the coalition government should be treated with the contempt they deserve. I was made to understand that it was the PNU side, which had invited these joy-riders to the Kilaguni Lodge retreat. If that is the case, then the PNU stand blamed for having invited ineligible outsiders to such a crucial meeting. PNU team erroneously invited gate-crushers to the meeting. Again, chest-thumping and sycophantic outbursts by these opportunists such as press conferences addressed by these opportunists only helped to fuel disagreement, which I am afraid to say, could easily land our beloved motherland to another round of distasteful political chaos, similar to post-election violence of 2007. Again chest-thumping and unrealistic disparaging remarks by discredited politicians who lost in the 2007 polls but found their ways into the cabinet by default should be discouraged by the two principals in the coalition government. I have detected that both PNU and ODM are openly displaying some amount of political mediocrity and immaturity., particularly when the ODM spokesmen went out of tune by expressing their displeasure with frequent use of the word ?My Government? by President Mwai Kibaki, Surely, who is disputing the fact that President Kibaki is the de facto head of state and supreme commander of all the armed forces of Kenya? To be more specific and clear on this point. Kibaki is the President under the power sharing arrangement of the coalition therefore there is nothing wrong for hyim to refer the government as his. ODM luminaries must stop being so petty.. I am also irked by the use of crude language by the likes of Uhuru Kenyatta, and Chirau Ali Mwakwere such as Wakitaka waende etc.loosely meaning the ODM cabinet members should quit the government if they were not satisfied with its policy. To go where? And yet the ODM has the majority of close to 100 MPs in the current 10th Paliament. Whereas these bunch of political demagogues represented only patches of the electorate. They must be told in a clear-cut sort of language that PNU with 45 MPs is the principal partner of the ODM and as such must be treated equally with PNU. These joy riders are the one who have been so vocal due to their malicious intentions hoping to break the back of the camel. They would be very much wish to see ODM members walking out of the government s90 that this could pave the way for them to walk in, after they had failed to do so via the polls. The must learn how to use gentlemen?s language, which is acceptable to all. The Prime Minbister Raila Odinga also stand being faulted for using bad and undiplomatic vocabulary when he referred the government as ?Primitive Government? whereas he serving in the same government in a plum position of premiership. This is another uncivil language, which must be avoided at all cost. What all Kenyans is peace and tranquility, meaningful political stability so that the nation could heal from the debris cause by post-election violence of January-March 2008. Peace must be restored at all costs so that members of our business community could make a quick recovery from the massive loses they incurred following the disputed presidential polls of 2007. Our [political class must learn the perfect art tolerance and forgiveness. They must tolerate each other?s opinion and thrives to create harmony among Kenyans. The must stop dreaming and spending times strategizing on the year 2012 general election at the expense of development and other pressing problems affecting Kenyan They must serve Kenyans diligently with stamina and determination and only start the campaign for the next elections at the most appropriate time.. These leaders should take a note that not all the times is election time. Kibaki and Raila must cultivate good working relationship which is devoid of antagonistic attitudes. The two need to display genuine and serious trust among themselves as well as learn how to keep the government secret, and to dismiss joy-riders and malicious power brokers. There is plenty of room for these two principals to woprk towards the creation of conditions conducive to attract more investment and thereby creating more jobs for the youth of this country. Dirty politics of opportunism and ?fitinas? must come to an immediate end if at all Kenyans are genuinely looking for the way forward...Our country is bad shape and cannot afford to call a snap elections now as recently demanded by religious leaders, some of those who are known to have turned their churches tribal outfit and parochial platforms for tribal congregations.. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com About the Author, Leo Odera Omolo is a veteran Kenyan journalists on semi-retirement, but occasionally operating as a freelance writer in Western Kenyas, Tanzania and Uganda. He can be reached on phones number 0722 486181 or 0734 509215 day and night or via his postal address. P.O. BOX 833, KISUMU KENYA. From jbatec at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 22:38:41 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Fw: Getting Ready for An All-Inclusive Kenyan Meeting with President Obama In August Message-ID: <752048.73695.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Please circulate and spread the word to all Kenyans Abroad living in USA to get themselves ready for an all inclusive?homely and relaxed United Get-Together meeting with President Obama at the White House sometimes in August 2009, date and time will be confirmed later.? ? Any burning issues, consultations?or questions concerning preparation for the?comming meeting?can be?directed to Judy Miriga (email - jbatec at yahoo.com).? ? All are welcome.? Please confirm your availability and attendance by email. ? Happy Easter and God Bless you all. ? Thanks ? ? 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On 4/8/09, Fred Onyach wrote: > > Where did you get these nonsences from i thot propergander like this was > for the government now you!!! we need to more sencible than these. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM, michael mwenda wrote: > >> this is total nonsense . >> >> Kenyans want something better than this allegation you are putting forth. >> Imagine if everyone thought like you? >> We will be so suspicious of each other in that we cant live as brothers >> and sisters of the >> country called Kenya. >> I may not blame you so much or people with minds like yours, >> and you may never appreciate your own country until you step your foot out >> of it. >> >> Bonding of kenyans starts with me and you.Lets all preach peace for the >> sake of this country. >> Avoid at any time of your statements mention tribes,that way we will be >> transformed YPs and thus this will stem to all out there. >> >> Who needs these top politicians (all of them are beneficiaries of tribal >> affliations). >> Lets think and act like YPs with a future,lets not peg our entire future >> into past. >> >> Always remember the principle of a happy life is not the same as the art >> of a happy life >> lets strive to make kenya a Happy nation. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:37 AM, wrote: >> >>> Just thought I should give this email a more enticing subject... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* ndebele okoth [mailto:revgeorgeoo at yahoo.com] >>> *Sent:* 07 April 2009 17:09 >>> *To:* Wana Biddi; young Proffessj >>> *Cc:* Luo Luo; African Press in Norway; East African; ramogi luo >>> *Subject:* [YP_Ke] The resignation of Ms Karua and her cronies is a mere >>> Mt Kenya Mafia political decoy, targeting Kenya PM Raila Odinga >>> >>> The move of Kenya Constitution Minister Ms Martha Karua and her NARK >>> party to quit the Coalition government is sophisticated political decoy >>> employed by the both Kenya Military and Police intelligence agents, under >>> the close advice of hired foreign agents, with main aim and agenda to >>> provoke a section of ODM ministers to resign in order to pave way for a >>> smooth succession /transition of embattled Mt Kenya Mafia vision to retain >>> power after Kibaki?s term ends. >>> >>> KENYA PM RAILA THE MAIN TARGET: >>> >>> The loyal troops will be call in to restore peace in case of rioting >>> after the resignation of PM Raila Odinga and his team from the coalition. >>> >>> Kenya will again have the flooding of blood before meaningful peace is >>> restored >>> >>> SAITOTI, KALONZO, UHURU AND RUTO FACTOR: >>> >>> In fact the resignation of Ms Karua, is tentative risk taken on behalf of >>> Saitoti, Kalonzo, Uhuru and Ruto who are set to form the next coalition, all >>> are meant for political espionage purposes. >>> >>> Ms Karua and NARK was selected through a foreign intelligence strategists >>> agent emplyed by the wealthiest and elites Mt Kenya Mafia immediately >>> Coalition Government was formed, with a promised that she will be rewarded a >>> post of PM, if the ploy succeeds. >>> ODM INSIDER IN THE GAME TOO: >>> >>> Mr Ruto to have slot of Deputy PM if he managed to retain the Kalenjins >>> in the government, the Kalanjins/Kikuyus alliance to take over power till >>> the next election is call 2012. >>> >>> The Luhya factors is playing major role with Ababu to be appointed a >>> minister, the luos will be isolated and victimised by the new powers in >>> play. >>> >>> Let the ODM be warn not to make rational decision to quit the government, >>> even if the quit, the Kenya corrupt will still rule whatsoever. >>> >>> Again I repeat ?Ms Karua and the cronies resignation is a decoy bent to >>> push out the ODM to enable NARK to form an official new coalition government >>> with PNU, however, Ms Karua must step up her security, if in anycase the >>> strategy fails her life maybe on line. >>> The bottom line is that some dubious foreign companies partnering with >>> these Mt Kenya elites are working to block a new constitution in Kenya by >>> supporting the corrupt regimes in Africa, and therefore the continual of >>> serial and immune as assassinations in Kenya shall not eased until a new >>> constitution is install >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *********************************************************************************** >>> Join the debate on the London Summit at www.londonsummit.gov.uk >>> >>> Visit http://www.fco.gov.uk for British foreign policy news and travel >>> advice and http://blogs.fco.gov.uk to read our blogs. >>> >>> Please note that all messages sent and received by members of the Foreign >>> & Commonwealth Office and its missions overseas may be automatically logged, >>> monitored and/or recorded in accordance with the Telecommunications (Lawful >>> Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations 2000. 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He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us...that it is the small things that big things are made of. I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm also wondering (..*from this email to the PM's ear*), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From alice.kirambi at cpda.or.ke Thu Apr 9 06:55:59 2009 From: alice.kirambi at cpda.or.ke (alice.kirambi at cpda.or.ke) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:55:59 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: KCDN Girls receive a boost In-Reply-To: <403954.40523.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <403954.40523.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090409135559.18055yik1fuhb1ao@webmail.swiftkenya.com> Dear Wanabidi, Sometimes back i had communicated in regards to incoming mails, I will very much appreciate if you could send mails to me via my other e-mail address:pollykirambi at yahoo.com. This is due to many messages being received from bidii colleagues that i also get through my yahoo addess. Please help me by using the yahoo address. Thanks for all the updates am receiving and will be getting in touch on various issues you have been dealing with. ASANTE SANA. Regards, Alice Kirambi(alice.kirambi at cpda.or.ke)- Am the same person in the name of pollykirambi at yahoo.com. Quoting odhiambo okecth : > Yesterday, 8th March 2009, we were able to give some 35 girls who > are of age sanitary towels at KCDN. > > > > The > towels were bought courtesy......http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com > > > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > > CEO KCDN Nairobi. > > Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557 > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <937463.85405.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <937463.85405.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A23821C3B194565950BBE8C5A190F06@youra9279112e3> YPs - Came a cross this interesting read. A bit long but interesting. Your take will be appreciated. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////// "We Are Not Gay- Raila", screamed the newspapers on Monday. That headline referred to the considered, wise and inspiring words of our dear Prime Minister and ODM party leader, also MP for Langata, Raila Odinga. On first sight, I was totally awed. How had that taboo subject, homosexuality and gay rights, etc, found its way so emphatically and so authoritatively into the national discourse, bearing no less than the able foreword of Raila Odinga? This is going to be truly interesting, what with the well known 'African' position, 'biblical' teaching, 'moral' agenda, 'progressive' ideology and other, multifarious perspectives, I thought. Upon reading the papers, however, I realised that our homosexual and lesbian brothers and sisters will have to wait a little longer for their agenda to afford a bold, frank and public discussion of their lifestyle, ideology, genetic destiny and so forth. It did turn out, however, that Raila was referring to the infamous Kilaguni retreat where PNU and ODM went with, according to generous analysts and observers, different agenda, but actually, according to me, no agenda. Up to this point in time, I do not know who in PNU might have made an untoward and unwelcome pass at our dear Prime Minister to elicit such protestation of sexuality.I trust very much that neither the president, Noah Wekesa, Mutula Kilonzo, Kalonzo Musyoka and Uhuru Kenyatta may be guilty of leering most lewdly at the people's president. I am aware that one of the VP's aides is facing charges which generally allude to bad manners in that direction, but I should hope that that is neither here nor there. In short, after a bit of reflection, I found no cause to imagine that any undesirable solicitations of a homosexual bent might have taken place at Kilaguni, causing our dear leader, Raila Odinga to storm out in a huff. Indeed, the drama and the haste of his walkout might have been justified by such a traumatising incident. Nevertheless, Raila found it most germane to declare, "Sisi tulikuja hapa kufanya bonding? Ati bonding! Ati tupendane! Tukasema mambo ya mapenzi, sisi sio mashoga." That was the oeuvre to Raila's virtuoso rendering of 'The Malodorous Requiem: Ode To Bad Manners'. At Mombasa soon thereafter, Raila accused Kibaki of disrespecting him. He called the president jua kali. He said, "Kupeana wilaya siku hizi ni kama mashuzi ya punda". Raila also took umbrage at the absence of key government officials at a function he had graced, and complained that there was no red carpet at the function, the dais was half done, there was no toilet at the back of the dais, yet he is the Prime Minister. All in all, the PM declared the districts created by the president as illegal, null and void. The president, according to him, behaved like a rogue, and had taken the law into his own hands. Finally, he averred, "Let him know that I represent more people in this country than he does because he stole the2007 elections and therefore, thieves must respect the owners of the wealth." Good Lord. When that was done, the PM later called on the ministers of his party to fire all parastatal CEOs in the ministries under them and replace them with ODM loyalists. There are many things that can be said about the PM's performance lately. I cannot enumerate all of them.It would be easy to offer glib observations about the kettle calling the pot black, etc, etc. However, I am aware that all of us know all that already, and even what I am saying now. First of all, there is such a thing as good taste. To claim to be the PM of Kenya, or whichever unfortunate country, and keep talking in terms of 'mashoga', mashuzi ya punda', 'jua kali', and so forth in reference to any other citizen of that country is perverse. To do so in reference to a president, head of state, commander in chief and member of parliament, whether out of justifiable anger, frustration or disenchantment is more than doubly perverse; it is pathetically psychopathic. Secondly, Raila ought to know that by the operation of simple construction, Mwai Kibaki is his nominal boss. Raila cannot fire Kibaki, but Kibaki can indeed fire Raila. Kindly read these terse words out of the National Accord. 6. The coalition shall stand dissolved if - (a) the Tenth Parliament is dissolved; (b) the coalition parties agree in writing; or (c) one coalition partner withdraws from the coalition by a resolution of the highest decision-making organ of that party in writing. Also note that the PM's functions are THREE:- to coordinate and supervise to delegate to any of the deputies, and to perform any other duties ASSIGNED TO HIM BY THE PRESIDENT. Did you see? How much further aggravation do you think Chirau Mwakwere, Noah Wekesa, George Saitoti, George Nyamweya, George Thuo, the whole kit and caboodle of PNU, require to resolve to terminate the coalition? The only thing which was holding them back from making that move is the threat of violence IN THE RIFT VALLEY. However, a corollary of being used and dumped is that the people of Rift Valley have realised that it takes many people to incite you and encourage you to rampage, but only you will be arrested, will hire a lawyer, raise bail, die and bury. On top of that, there are no rewards for the whole ghoulish business. So the Rift Valley leaders are immersed deeply into 'Operation Karibu Nyumbani', healing their land. The long and short of it is that the break up of the coalition will be greeted with a deafening silence, and a few sighs of, "Thank God, that was overdue." I kid thee not. All it takes is a resolution. So what happens if the coalition is terminated? Kibaki is a creature of the constitution proper. He is not in any way affected by the National Accord, and has refused to be subject to it. He operates very much as though the ODM ministries, save a couple, are surplus to requirement. He serves by virtue of having been declared the winner of the 2007 election and attendant constitutional stipulations. On the other hand, the PM is very much a creature of the National Accord, being accomodated in the constitution by dint of special purpose provisions of very limited duration. In the fullness of time, the office will expire, and normal constitutional order of things shall resume. Before then, nothing stops PNU from terminating the coalition, with the result that the provisions constituting the PM's office shall lapse, or shall result in a complete new order of things, e.g. Ababu Namwamba as PM. In short, Raila Odinga is very, very sackable at Kibaki's instance. That makes Kibaki Raila's boss.The implication is that in terms of constitutional entrenchment, the PM has nothing on the VP. The latter office, not its occupant, does not depend solely on special purpose legislative instruments (whether or not entrenched), temporal political dynamics and the imperative of a coaliton arrangement. Obviously, therefore, ODM, and Raila are in government on great and painful sufferance. Once it is clear who is boss, and I urge all Kenyans to snap out of denial and face the facts, it becomes easier to understand who should defer to whom, and what relative status each of the 'two principals' occupy ijn their 'working relationship'. I employ the apostrophe to enunciate a paradox: there is one 'principal' only, and between him and the PM, there is neither a relationship of any sort, working or not (working here is a duality in implication). If that is the case, then Raila has been directly insolent, defiant, restive, insubordinate, a malcontent and an agent of instability. There are functions Kibaki discharges by virtue of being the commander- in- chief of the armed forces. The constitution is clear regarding who becomes the commander-in-chief. In the same vein, there are privileges Kibaki enjoys on account of being the head of state. It would be blatantly illegal for Kibaki to cede a bit of that power to Raila, and would render both of them liable to the direst of consequences, both legal and constitutional. That much ought to be clear to Raila. Kibaki's silence in that context is actually an act of maximum respect for Raila, for he would insult him most awfully by simply pointing out constitutional constraints and limits to power sharing, implying that Raila is overreaching himself out of ignorance. Against that background, I move to digress with glee. On appointment, government officials are issued with a book prepared by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs entitled 'Manual of State Protocol'. It carefully delineates the precisely calibrated pecking order and attendant obligations and privileges of all notable officials relative to the head of state. Additionally, it prescribes appropriate conduct and forms of address, insisting that decorum and courtesy are the grease that make power relations operate flawlessly and optimally. Protocol is the ultimate handmaiden of state power. As head of state, protocol is naturally structured to ensure maximum homage and deference to Kibaki. From his presence and office cascades power through defined offices and channels. The introduction of the PM's office presents a most interesting dilemma: where does he fit in the whole construct? According to the PM, he shares power equally with the president. 50:50. So, he implies that the protocol ought to defer to him equally as a second 'centre of power' with the president. That argument is fallacious and mischievous. What Kibaki shared with Raila is the 'government' aspect of political power constitutionally vested upon him. He did not, however, share the commander-in-chief, nor the head of state power function. In other words, theoretically, Raila is one-half head of government only. Theoretically because in his absence, he cannot delegate his power in toto. Because of the two deputy prime ministers, not both beholden nor answerable to him, the PM's power presents a most anomalous fungibility. Aside from that, the president's other functions, head of state and commander in chief, tend to create a gravitational pull by their very weight, which sucks away the PM's 50%. And that is before you consider the provisos and myriad qualifications, equivocations and dilutions built into the National Accord that make the 50:50 power sharing illusory, and all claims thereto, disingenuous and mishievous. Thus, Raila's claim to be Kalonzo's superior is totally fallacious. For Kalonzo, as the president's principal's deputy, may not be a 50% partner in power, but he deputises the president in ALL his functions, and stands to succeed him to all intents and purposes, should the constitutional necessity arise. So, whereas Raila's political power is kinetic-illusory, Kalonzo's is potential-actual. Go figure. Were Raila to accept this reality and act with appropriate delicacy and discretion, he would find himself able to create an impression of formidable power. Power, after all, is mostly show, perception, symbols and observances. Strategic management and deft alliances would do the trick quite nicely indeed. A president, vice president, minister, PS's visit is usually preceded by a circular to relevant offices for purposes of assembling all necessary protocol. When in Raila's unique position, he would, for purposes of maintaining a viable impression of power, necessarily adopt and even usurp protocols strictly not meant for his office. They are not all due to him as a matter of right. Thus, he cannot saunter comfortably, sans official notice to Coast and expect the PC and all functionaries in a neat line, stifling in the sun, all officious and obsequious, waiting for, and upon him. Raila's protocol conundrum with respect to Kalonzo was therefore symptomatic af a bigger discordance, mostly arising from the constitutionally anomalous character of his office. It has very little, if anything at all, to do with disrespect from the president, Muthaura, the PC and so forth. Red carpet, in international state protocol is exclusive for heads of state, their representatives and plenipotentiaries. As earlier said, the National Accord clearly circumscribes the PM's power. The question of a toilet at the back of the dais is, strictly, above my salary scale. With the foregoing in mind, and having regard to the esteem with which Kenyans hold Raila Odinga, it is most embarassing and revolting for him to descend to such crudity and vulgarity while talking about the president. To call him a thief, a rogue, to talk about 'mashoga' and 'mashuzi ya punda' in reference to the president is abysmally frightful. For him, as the prime minister, as a party leader, a member of parliament, a husband, a father, a father in law, a grandfather, a son of a most illustrious freedom fighter, and a leader of hundreds of thousands of people, such language and conduct is inexcusable. It also gravely and gratuitously insults all those people to whom he represents the aforesaid attributes. I think that however exalted one's political, economic and other position, no one is exempt from the requirements of good manners and respect that bind the rest of us . That includes Raila Amolo Odinga. I may have lost all the respect I ever had for him, but I will not call him names. And, frankly, we have big, intractable problems as a country. So pressed are we that it would be most kind of our political leaders to keep some of their more personal, private angsts and discontent out of our clotheslines. That tends to frighten the livestock. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////// "Being rich is having money; being wealthy is having time." - Stephen Swid, executive (b. 1941) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I wonder, who apart from Muite himself can actually corroborate this claim? I really pray I never get retrenched because I am sure I will start seeing Elephants dancing in my kitchen....and tell the watchman!!! On 4/8/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: > > > Folks, > > Kibaki and Mt. Mafia Cohort and Cartels are very very very disparate. > > Threat like this one cannot be tolerated. > > Kofi Annan and the United Nations with world leaders must not let this kind > of situation as in Kenya to go on. Something must be done and done > extremely fast without wasting more time. We have seen events of times and > warnings of worse situation going to the extreme with worse casualties that > need to be stopped immediately. Kibaki's group will not bulge, they do not > learn, they are unwilling to cooperate, they are instigators, they are > sturbborn and stiff necked, they have fixed minds and are uncooperative, > they dont want change, they do not respect the signed peace accord which > provided for the Coalition Government existance and have intent to > continually frustrated PM Raila in the 50/50 signed sharing of the > Government so he should quit the Coalition Agreement. They prefer using > iron fist and scuttled Civil Society to have their way while silencing good > people of Kenya who are demanding for change which is their right to living > a honorable life. > > Kenya is a hub of African survival. We will not let go situation like > those of Rwanda genocide to take toll order in Kenya or even let > finalization of cases to take long at the Hague as it has been seen in > Rwanda, Congo, Uganda, Sudan and conflicts such like is seen in Uganda, > because it has destroyed element of hope that connects genuine livelihood as > is purported by God for mankind. These are the reasons why World leaders > together with US President Obama needs to step in at this juncture. We will > have no rest until and unless they put aside all other issues to jointly > consolidate efforts to safeguard and prioritize situation in Kenya bringing > United Nations Missions together to discuss in a concerted effort to finding > resolution in Kenya. > > Kenya being the known hub of African cannot be left behind in a structural > new world order of development partnership and networking from economic > world crisis reorganization. I attach news notes for reference hereunder of > civil war destruction in Rwanda, Congo Uganda and Southern Sudan........... > > I appeal therefore, that we call upon Kofi Annan and other eminent leaders > to include Kenyan Party Leaders, Civil Societies, Individual Consultants and > other Human Rights representatives with some Legal professionals to a > special meeting in Washington DC as soon as is necessary to stragegize way > forward for Kenya. > > For healing to take place in Kenya, culprits of those who pre-planned > genocide (facts are available) and who triggered conflicts by theaving of > election in Kibaki's camp with those who in the same camp have become > continually unremorseful and stubborn and who in refusal to resolving peace > accord structure #4 in providing the much needed change desired by > Kenyans are commiting plunder of National Assets and by causing serious > socio/economic crimes against humanity, be arraigned to Hague faster than > previously planned, so to give Kenya a breathing space and a chance to > heal. > > This is the only way it will serve as a measure for people of such greed > influence to tore the line and never again treat human beings without > respect like animals without value. Human beings rich or poor need to be > valued, respected with dignity and virtue. There must be therefore a > demonstrated committment and responsibilities in association between > leadership management of public properties and assets in the government in a > transparent and in accountability manner on behalf of electorates, since > elected leaders are the custodians of public properties and interest. Under > discipline and order when restored, we are able to create structural > environment for sustainable investments to benefit all Citizens and is able > to creat jobs with good social environment full of hope for the future. > Security, Law and Order will be a requirement respected and provided to all. > > By copy of this email, I forward heart felt promt request to US President > Obama to intervene and allow Foreign US Secretary Hillary Clinton to pursue > coordination of this request in a speedy manner so to arrest down trend of > failing conditions and a repeat of situation like those of Rwanda, Congo, > Uganda and endless conflicts of Southern Sudan, which have destroyed fabric > of livelihood in those parts of Africa. > > I hope to hear from aforesaid above and will make follow-up for the same. > > Sincerely, > > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > News My life is in danger, claims Muite > > Former Kabete MP Paul Muite in a pensive mood as his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara > addresses the press on Wednesday. The former MP said his life was in danger. > Photo/HEZRON NJOROGE By JOHN NGIRACHUPosted Wednesday, April > 8 2009 at 14:42 > > In Summary > > > - Muite says he has written to International Criminal Court prosecutor > Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life. > > Former Kabete MP Paul Muite has said his life is in danger adding that a > police squad has instructions to kill him. > > He said the instructions said to have been given to the *dreaded Kwekwe > squad to kill him* might stem from recent statements he made over the > composition of the President?s family and the 2005 raid on the Standard > Group offices. > > "It is possible that the last straw might well have come from the latest > spat with His Excellency the President over the criminal raid on KTN and the > Standard and with his then minister for Internal Security John Michuki," > said Mr Muite at a press conference at the Stanley Hotel. > > Mr Muite also attributed the death threat to recent strong statements he > made about the government?s role in extrajudicial killings at the funerals > of Oscar King?ara and Paul Oulu, two human rights activists killed in > Nairobi last month. > > He has now written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis > Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life and asked him to open > investigations into extrajudicial killings in Kenya. > > Mr Muite, who is also a senior counsel, said he had on Sunday received > 'specific information from credible sources? that members of the Kwekwe > squad had been given instructions to kill him. > > The police have consistently denied the existence of the squad that was > formed to deal with the outlawed Mungiki sect but Mr Muite said it is still > operational and has 14 members, whose names he has. > > He has not reported the information to the police and said 'it would be an > insult? to do so and feared that the police could find out who his informers > are. > > ?It is pointless to report to the police. They are the suspects who should > be involved. To report to them will only give them the opportunity to probe > where the leak might have occurred so they can deal with the traitor,? he > said. > > The President?s family is yet to sue him despite making a threat to do so > on March 16. Mr Michuki has also written to Mr Muite to demand an apology > but the lawyer said he had written back and said Mr Michuki can proceed to > court. > > On March 3, President Kibaki called a press conference at State House to > clarify that he has only one wife. > > ?I have gotten in this foul mood after listening to some statements that > were made... I want to state that anyone who is bent on that course will see > me in court or wherever he will see me. There is no other way,? said the > president. > > Mr Muite said the president?s last statement amounted to a coded threat and > said it could have led to the instructions to the police. > > He was accompanied by his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara, human rights activist > Ndung?u Wainaina, Sam Mohochi of the Independent Medico-Legal Unit and > members of the Bunge la Mwananchi, a lobby group. > > Mr Imanyara said he has information from senior police officers, among them > a senior superintendent, whose lives have been threatened for refusing to > join death squads said to be still operational. > > He said President Kibaki should explain why senior officers who had been > implicated in killings are still working while some have had their tenures > renewed. > > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > Watch This....... > > Rwanda's ghosts refuse to be buried > *Fifteen years after the start of the Rwandan genocide, the country is > still battling with its demons, author Gerard Prunier writes for BBC Focus > on Africa magazine.* > [image: Machetes from the Rwandan genocide] Machetes were used to > slaughter many thousands of people > The ghosts still wander in the hills above the Great Lakes, both in Rwanda > itself and in the neighbouring Kivu provinces of the Democratic Republic of > Congo. > Like most ghosts, they are very much alive. > They are the survivors of a horror they will never manage to forget - those > the Rwandans call "bapfuye buhagazi" or "the walking dead". > These are the girls who had abortions after being raped by the interahamwe > (the Hutu militia which carried out the killings), the widows, the mothers > who saw their children slaughtered before their eyes, the children who grew > up after seeing their parents die, the killers haunted by remorse and the > killers who feel no remorse at all. > The ghosts are also the bystanders who pretended there was nothing they > could do, the innocents later unjustly accused of murder, the guilty > perpetrators who fear discovery and those who are known and who are > blackmailed, the Hutu refugees who never came home and who still live in DR > Congo, the Tutsi refugees from the Congo who fled the massacres there and > who still linger in Rwandan camps, the madmen and the broken women. > In many ways, the perpetrators of the genocide have succeeded. > They have managed to encase the whole country in a gigantic airless bubble > where everybody pretends that life goes on but where, in many ways, it > actually stopped on 7 April 1994. > RWANDA'S 1994 GENOCIDE > [image: Skulls from the Rwandan genocide] > > > 6 April: Rwandan Hutu President Habyarimana killed when plane shot down > April-July: An estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus killed > July: Tutsi-led rebel movement RPF captures Rwanda's capital Kigali > July: Two million Hutus flee to Zaire, now DR Congo > > > Rwanda's 100 days of genocide > The perpetrators have never apologised. In fact, no truth and > reconciliation commission based on the South African model has been offered > to them, where the real perpetrators are actually present and can be > cross-examined. > The substitute is the largely artificial structure of the gacaca courts - > set up by the Rwandan government based on a system of community justice. > Here the perpetrators and innocents are mixed together. > The denunciators themselves are often guilty and those who attend seem more > interested in staying on the good side of the present regime than on > actually delving into the dark labyrinths of the past. > The perpetrators have also imposed their ethnic logic on the new regime - > described by some as a dictatorship - where any mention of the word "Tutsi" > or "Hutu" is strictly forbidden by law. > This means that any lucid examination of the relationship between Tutsi and > Hutu before, during and after the genocide is now impossible. > It is like discussing an infectious disease without being allowed to use > the words "germ" or "contagion". > Rwanda is now locked into an ideological straight-jacket providing a > relentless and official interpretation of history from which all shades of > meaning have been sanitised. > *Belated atonement* > Which brings us to the second lot of ghosts - those who live far away from > the Great Lakes in the Western world. > Guilt has kept the West fixated on the genocide: > ? Guilt of the Belgian colonisers who were vaguely suspected of having > contributed to this mess through their old colonial policies > ? Guilt of the French government which had supported some of the worst > excesses of the Hutu regime beyond the normal limits of political alliance > ? Guilt of the Americans who had refused to use their capacity for military > intervention when it was called for > ? Finally guilt of the international community when the United Nations > compounded its initial blindness by displaying a massive case of > multilateral cowardice. > In response, and much like in the case of the Holocaust in Europe, there > has been a pronounced move towards belated atonement in the West. > The result has been predictable. Governments from London to Washington have > rallied to the new regime of President Paul Kagame without looking too > closely at its behaviour. > A backlash of this is a rancid wave of revisionist literature - casting > doubts on the scale of the genocide - that has begun to wash ashore, > particularly in France and French-speaking Africa. > *Pursuer of truth* > The tragedy of this situation has been perfectly embodied in the life of > the late Alison Des Forges, a campaigner who died in February in a plane > crash in the United States. > [image: Aison Des Forges in 2005] Alison Des Forges raised awkward > questions for Rwanda's regime > Des Forges was a specialist in the history of Rwanda whose mission to the > country with Eric Gillet of the International Federation for Human Rights in > 1992 had drawn attention to the Bugesera massacres. These killings were a > dress rehearsal for the horror to follow in 1994. > Later she proved to be one of the most relentless pursuers of truth about > the genocide, eventually producing Leave None to Tell the Story - an > exhaustive compendium on the massacres published by Human Rights Watch. > At the time she was criticised by some vocal elements for being a Tutsi > stooge, particularly when she testified at the UN war crimes tribunal in > Arusha. > But she later began to look more closely at the record of the new > government. > During the course of this she discovered that the 1994 Gersony Report - > which the UN had initially commissioned to reassure Rwandan refugees that Mr > Kagame's new regime was innocuous - had in fact been telling the truth when > it spoke of 30,000 Hutu deaths attributable to the "good guys" in the > immediate aftermath of the genocide. > This led her to explore the shrinking political space in Rwanda, the > choking of human rights and the increasingly authoritarian bent of the now > exclusively Tutsi regime. > She talked to the government's new opponents (some of them moderate Tutsis) > and chronicled the massive violations of human rights that were taking place > in the name of political normalisation. > She was denounced by the new regime as a "genocide sympathiser" and accused > of prejudice and factual manipulation. Shortly before her death she had > become persona non grata in Kigali. > One film about Rwanda shot shortly after the genocide is called The Dead > are Alive. Such is the power of what happened there that nobody can ignore > or exploit the genocide unchallenged. > This the Rwanda survivors know and a number of observers like Des Forges > knew. > The ghosts of Rwanda refuse to be buried. > *Gerard Prunier is the author of From Genocide to Continental War: The > 'Congolese' Conflict and the Crisis of Contemporary Africa* > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6454293.stm > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/in_pictures_seeking_shelter/html/1.stm > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7685235.stm > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4320858.stm > > < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/africa/6181988.stm > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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I assign you number 3, left full back, in defense of Kenya. We still have a team to make; 1] The Goal Keeper; 2] Right full back; 3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo 4] Central defender; 5] Stopper; 6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch 7] Right winger; 8] Central Midfielder; 9] Striker; James Nduko 10] Distributor; 11] Left winger; Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators. They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Wed, 4/8/09, James Ololo Mamboleo wrote: From: James Ololo Mamboleo Subject: [Mwananchi] Kenya... My country, tears of thee. To: "Kenyans" Cc: "Mwananchi" Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:30 PM Dear friends and foes, I am sorry for my long absence, I have been occupied in running the daily running of both my office and home, many times not at the best terms and conditions especially with the current global crisis. I am terribly sorry for my long absence. During this period, I learned through a member of the group, that a great friend of Kenya, Lady Patricia Anderson lost her love, soulmate and husband Andy. My great sympathy.? If during my absence, any of you, friend or foe, suffered the loss of someone through force of God or simply through?disagreement , accept my sympathy.If you went through hard economic times due to the crisis, please look at the bright side of life, we're in this together. A friend's friend jumped off one of his 12 and 15 storey buildings in Addis Ababa because of foreclosure. But today, I felt that I must break the silence and tell you that we must move to fight injustice together. The country I love most, Kenya, is again at the brink of another?uncertaintie s. Our faith in this?cradle?of life is yet again put to test by a government we did NOT elect. This time, I ask for your prayers because my as a human being, I sincerely believe that my stability is stability?bound to your stability and Kenya looks more likely to go to war, this time, with weapons. The country deserves new leadership. Kenya did not vote for the current president. This is a new revelation that you will soon see in the news because even those who helped steal the elections are now?disgruntled with Kibaki's regime that is hell bent to keep colonial methods of administration. It is however, my sincere hope that Kenyans can now collectively identify the common enemy and therefore never again unnecessarily turn on one another with panga's (machettes). I may not answer all your mails back but your reactions are most welcome. - Capt. James Ololo?++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ NEW!!! 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Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 17:57:18 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] No way around baptism! Message-ID: <723424.14897.qm@web38706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nicodemus tried everything else-chose the night hour, hid his motive and asked the wrong questions-but in the end,he was surprised to know that the one he had gone to see, not only knew him very well, but also knew his innermost struggle and desire. Doesn't He know each one of us? In their conversation, Jesus, told him,"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." (John 3:3.) Why baptism? Paul wrote, "What shall we say, then? Shall we goon sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin;how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin." (Romans 6:1-6.) What else does the Bible tell us about baptism? Mathew 3:13-17 Jesus was baptized in river Jordan by John the baptist, not so much because He was sinner but so as to show us the right mode of baptism-by immersion. Acts 8:36-40 The deacon Philip, baptized the Ethiopian eunuch by immersion. Acts 16:29-34 The jailer and his family were baptized by Paul and Silas. What was Christ's command before His departure? Mark 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mathew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. Going by the above portions of Scriptures, one can say that baptism is the way that our God devised whereby we can be connected to Him. Once we have been convicted of our evil doings, we can repent or turn around and be baptized! No sin is too big to be forgiven! How important is baptism? Since we have no idea how long we will be around, it's important that we take care of this. For those of us who have already been baptized, let us live faithfully to out baptismal vows. For those who have not, the decision is yours! Blessings. Pr Birai www.themaranathasdachurch.org If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From janet at africanexecutive.com Thu Apr 9 06:35:48 2009 From: janet at africanexecutive.com (janet at africanexecutive.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:35:48 +0300 (EAT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: The Kenyan Reality Check - By Karani Josses Edwin's In-Reply-To: <991123400904090235g4647ed68s71797fc3cb59123c@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400904090235g4647ed68s71797fc3cb59123c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1538.212.49.74.159.1239273348.squirrel@www.africanexecutive.com> Wow,that is a Kenyan reality check indeed. Hello YPs, > > For those of you who love FB, here is one useful piece a friend posted on > FaceBook. I take no credit for it. > > *http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=68729227890 > * > Reproduced Here..unedited: > > KENYAN REALITY CHECK > > folks let us not forget to soon.... > > 1. it is right over 1 year since we wanted to tear each other apart > because > our so called leaders stole, were robbed of election victory. We lost many > lives and not one day have we heard a special anniversary memoriam being > held for the people who lost their lives. 1 year later our 'leaders' are > still grappling to hold on to whatever little power they have (left). > > 2. It is an insult to our intelligence and a dishonour to our fallen > countrymen when we see on television our prime minister complaining about > the absence of a PC or half a ceremonial carpet when millions of our > brothers are sleeping hungry. It is an insult to our suffering to have a > president call a press conference and use state resources to admonish > former > members of parliament about utterances towards the first family. It would > be > prudent for someone to tell the president he is out of touch with not only > the common mwananchi but also REALITY...... > > 3. We are told by the prime minister that kenya has not had scandals as > big > as goldenberg and anglo-leasing but what he does not tell us is that since > the grand collusion was agreed upon, we have never seen suffering brought > upon by corruption on such a scale...... Because Devani and Kiraitu and > God > knows who else have been interdicted in the Triton saga Kenya had pump > prices going past 102.00ksh which is basically more or less one whole euro > to the litre of petrol. Kenya resembled Zimbabwe with queues so long and > availability nil. Because Ruto and his maize munching buddies effectively > raided the National Cereals and Produce Board. Maize prices sky rocketed > and > millions of kenyans could not afford the one most common meal they have in > their diet. Mr Prime Minister is that not a big scandal or do you mean > internationally it is not a big scandal but locally the people can go to > hell, or starve to death then go to hell. When Kimunya sold the Grand > Regency at a price so insignificant that it was equated as being low > enough > not even capable of buying thierry henry off his contract from barcelona > if > a team made a bid, who was fooling who? We know there are many other > scandals that have been silently pushed below the carpet and those that > our > press men are being bribed to keep quiet. We knew there was something > fishy > with Otieno Kajwang and his free passports for all, Why would Taiwo Atieno > struggle for so long to get a kenyan passport and he wants to play for the > team he loves. We know about the traffic cops who own multi-million > matatus > (ROUTE 58) that break every law in the book everyday and no one bats an > eyelid. We find it laughable that the Kenya Anti-corruption (KACA) has > been > unable to take even one major player in corruption to court over any crime > even an unpaid parking ticket. KACA then has the audacity to put on > television adverts on how to give kenyans tips on fighting corruption, > what > a shame. > > 4. The total age of all our top civil servants and ministers as well as > the > president and PM minister is 11,580years, i guessed but i am sure i am not > far from the truth. We have a civil service that has never changed > leadership and offices that still use typewriters, old english telephones > and ministry drivers who are almost the same age as my cucu, She is > 60years > old by the way. The minimum age to retire in Kenya is 60 years now and not > 55 years. The youth of this country are not included in any future govt > plans. > > 5.Speaking about the youth, 55% of registered voters are youth. 80% of > unemployed kenyans are youth. That does not make sense. the only statistic > at the moment that favour the youth is that they have the lowest rate of > HIV > prevalence with married folks (NOT YOUTH) are spreading the virus like > wildfire. > > 6. Majority of kenyan youth above the age of 22 do not have an ambition, > chance to succeed and are generally pessimistic about everything. As a > matter of fact these youth do not even have girlfriends until late in > their > 20's and marry well past their 30's. > > 7. Kenya has the largest number of single mothers between the ages of > 18-28 > in Africa unless the nigerians beat us because of their population size. I > know eastlands has the largest number of single mothers in nairobi, no > doubt > about that. > > 8. Kenyan politicans are not the brightest people in the world and if you > see them together in a large bunch the y appear to look like a pack of > hyenas ready to devour some innocent kenyans tax. > > 9. We feel proudest when we talk our mother tongue because there is > nothing > proud about Kenya we can share together. The rugby team is for the well > off > supporters (How many eastlanders go to the safari sevens?), the football > team is made up of same old same old guys (innovation and creativity is > not > allowed at all thanks to KFF, NEw KFF, FKL, KPL or whoever owns the game) > Cricket is forgotten ( that guy with the canadian wife/girlfriend who was > taking bribes from the indians made sure of that) Athletics is tribal > (according to most kenyans who cannot even run to save their lives) > > 10. There is a man who stands every thursday and lies continuously to the > kenyan people about almost everything.... MV FAINA is a kenyan ship with > kenyan arms.... He is the Government spokesman and he would do us greater > service if he stuck to daydreaming of being oliver stone. > > 11. Martha Karua is no snow white but she does have more cahonas than the > trash talking Ruto who happens to be her biggest NAY SAYER right now and > most people we know. > > MORE IS COMING........SPEAK THE TRUTH ASHAME THE ESTABLISHMENT...... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on > society." > -- Mark Twain > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Thu Apr 9 10:52:41 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Rubbish, Michuki says of Muite claims Message-ID: http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Local/Rubbish,-Michuki-says-of-Muite-claims- 4015.html Rubbish, Michuki says of Muite claims BY CATHERINE KARONG'O Update 1 minutes ago NAIROBI, Kenya, Apr 9- Cabinet Minister John Michuki has dismissed assassination claims by former Kabete Member of Parliament Paul Muite as a political gimmick. Mr Michuki said on Thursday that the former legislator was just exaggerating to get political sympathy. "To add value to what, what value?" the Minister posed. "I get amazed with allegations that people make. The guilty are always afraid; they are always looking over their shoulders and they look harassed like a photograph I saw this morning," he said in reference to Mr Muite. On Wednesday, Mr Muite claimed that the feared 'Kwekwe' squad - a crack police unit - had been instructed to kill him. He said this could have been as a result of recent statements he made connecting the First Family to the 2005 Standard Group raid. The raid had been ordered by Michuki, who was in charge of Internal Security at the time. But on Thursday, Mr Michuki added that the government or its agencies were under no obligation to explain the raid, saying it was conducted in 'national interest'. "So why don't you put the matter to a stop because no government that respects itself will ever tell you why. All they know is that they averted something that was not to the interest of the nation," he said. The Minister accused the former legislator of pushing the issue of the raid "as if it was a family business." "Doesn't he have any other agenda or has he become the major shareholder of Standard?" he questioned. "I can't see any rational reason why he should be so passionate about an issue concerning a newspaper which is very rich and can handle it. So what is it that motivates him?" Mr Michuki said he had instructed his lawyers to enjoin these fresh allegations with the previous similar allegations that touch on his credibility for due justice. "May I categorically state that it is within public domain that the former MP has been undergoing a political crisis and I am not part and parcel of his problems and he should learn to carry his own cross and stop seeking cheap publicity and unwarranted favours from foreigners," he said. Kenya clergy demand elections, again BY BERNARD MOMANYI Update 10 minutes ago NAIROBI, Kenya, Apr 9 - The National Council of Churches of Kenya (NCCK) on Thursday renewed calls for fresh elections, following the continued wrangles of the country's top leadership. NCCK's General Secretary Canon Peter Karanja said President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga have failed to institute reforms and deserve to be replaced alongside all the MPs. "They need to put in place a proper electoral system to be able to undertake the electoral process. Once they do that, we will need to hold elections and replace the country's leadership," Canon Karanja said. At a press conference with other church leaders in Limuru, the clergy said the two principal coalition partners had failed to show true leadership qualities and instead resorted to wrangling. "This shows that they do not have the interests of the people at heart. They have further failed to put in place the required reforms," he added. He added: "Some of our leaders have lately resorted to the use of foul language in public, they are not doing what is supposed to be done as they pledged during the elections and that is why we feel that there time is up." The church leaders were referring to the latest attacks launched by Mr Odinga on his Coalition partner President Mwai Kibaki whose leadership style he described as 'primitive'. "With the heightening political bickering, we challenge Kenyans not to be divided by political leaders once again," he said. They said issues raised by the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) on the power sharing deal were very serious and deserved to be discussed urgently. "If they are saying the National Accord be re-negotiated, PNU should not ignore that issue; they should all go to the table and resolve the issue. Kenyans do not want to continue seeing our leaders bickering every other time," he said. Regarding the recent resignations of Gichugu Member of Parliament Martha Karua from the Justice Ministry and Garsen MP Danson Mungatana from the Medical Services Ministry as an Assistant Minister, the church leaders said 'these are just side shows'. "We view the resignations as mere side shows, our leaders are deviating from performing their duties at the interest of the 2012 campaigns," he said. From jamhuri at jamhuriwear.com Thu Apr 9 11:40:33 2009 From: jamhuri at jamhuriwear.com (Jamhuri Wear) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Obama's Favourite Band Performing live at NEW AFRICA LIVE NYC this SATURDAY: Extra Golden, Meta, and Nikyatu Jusu!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b95d2860904090840w33fc2e31w23e70211ed333a37@mail.gmail.com> NOT TO BE MISSED! This Saturday, April 11th, New Africa Live returns to the fabulous (Le) Poisson Rouge in the West Village, NYC. Headlining the evening will be the fearless Nairobi-based Benga rock outfit Extra Golden . Fresh off the heels of the African Soul Rebels Tour opening for Baaba Maal and Oliver Mtukudzi all over the UK, you do not want to miss this rare opportunity to hear the band live! The night will also feature an acoustic performance from the lead singer of the fantastic New York City-based Senegalese reggae band Meta and the Cornerstones and the brilliant short film "African Booty Scratcher" (10 min.) by Sierra Leonean filmmaker Nikyatu Jusu . Doors open at 7pm. We highly recommend advance tickets for only $15 at www.lprnyc.com. Admission is $20 at the door. (Le) Poisson Rouge is located at 158 Bleecker Street in New York City. New Africa Live produces multidisciplinary events that celebrate contemporary African artists who push the boundaries of African expression. 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We see this example in the Bible when we look at Abraham and Isaac, and also in the parable of the talents. Many times, God asks some people to do different things in life. For some, its a call into an area of ministry. For others, its to go on a short term assignment, etc. For some, it is to give something for his use. The question here is: What is God asking of you today? Secondly, what is it that you can give to God? 2. The praises were to Christ, not the colt- When God uses us, lets not take the glory to ourselves. The colt carried the King of kings and the Lord of Lords, Because of whom it carried, it got the privileged of having palms lined on its way for it to step on. Because of what God is doing in us and through us, for the reason that Christ is in us, people may give praises to us. If this happens, let us watch out lest we be overtaken by pride. The question here is: Is the glory coming to you or to Christ? 3. When Christ looked at Jerusalem, he wept over it.?He prophesied of what would happen to Jerusalem and surely,?about 40 years after, it did happen. The reason he gave was that Jerusalem did not recognize the time of God's coming to it.?It missed it. Many are the times that God speaks to us, yet we fail to recognize his voice and direction. It may be God is telling you to move to some place else, or to another office, or in another area of life or ministry. The question here is: Are you sensitive to God's timing? Where is God leading you too? As we celebrate Easter, let us reflect on those three questions. God bless you. Alex --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Job 1:9 Job's wife was used by the devil to tempt Job to curse God and die. Thank God for Job stood firm! Luke 4:5-8 The devil tempted Jesus after fasting for 40 days and nights. Jesus rebuked the devil! Mathew 16:23 Jesus rebuked Peter for trying to be the devil's advocate. John 16: 2 "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God." Acts 9:1-6 The apostle Paul persecuted the early church thinking that he was doing God favor, until the Lord met him on his way to Damascus for the same mission and transformed him! How about our time? It's sad that the devil is no respecter of any person, regardless of age, gender, education, tribe, and religious affiliation! How so? -Out there, are ministers of the Gospel, who have been used by the devil to fight the spreading of the good news. -There are some church members who have used their influence to mislead others -There are spouses, parents, children, in laws, and and friends who have allowed to be used to mislead those that they claim to love! You and I need to take a few minutes and ask this very touching soul searching question, Am I on the Lord's side or the devil's side? Indeed, it will be a very sad thing to be found on the devil's side! The good news, though, is that there is still time for you and I to change course! But the big question is, Am I willing? Are you? Just a thought! Pr Birai www.themaranathasdachurch.org If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! From dochwangi at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:31:58 2009 From: dochwangi at yahoo.com (David ochwangi) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? Message-ID: <734785.43846.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very well stated Moses! Admirable; the PM, the president and anybody else in leadership for that matter, must earn respect and when they don't through their actions, let's say so; don't sweep things under the rug and hope they figure it out; these fellows are just as human as we are and fraught with mistakes and natural frailties, they need to be corrected. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:48 AM ? Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us...that it is the small things that big things are made of. ? I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm? also wondering (..from this email to the PM's ear), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like?we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression [a] and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [b] 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life [d] and be satisfied [e] ; by his knowledge [f] my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. -- Daniel Nyutu Strategy Analyst Strategic Leadership Center International Horton Court, P.O. Box 3124-00100 Nairobi, Kenya. Tel: 3872252/ 3877637/ 2067622 Email: dnyutu at gmail.com Cell: 0728-200075 "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein (Attributed) US (German born) Physicist (1879-1955) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From j_lwali at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 07:30:56 2009 From: j_lwali at yahoo.com (Justo Lwali) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? In-Reply-To: <734785.43846.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <734785.43846.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <171334.47146.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ah, you people! You know the PM has gotten to where he is by speaking out! While the president has gotten to where he is by ... sitting on the fence while other guys fight it out. Two, and very important: people have been running all over town beating 'carpet' and 'befitting toilet' to pulp. That the PM is only concerned with things that make him look big but they conveniently ignore the other big issues he raised: 1. Guys have been told to disregard, disrespect, and ignore the PM (even PNU big three didn't say anything about that?) 2. That we can't go on having districts created at whim (Kalonzo, tongue in you-know-who's butt declared it is 'devolution' 3. That PNU - Kibaki -?is not consulting (even Narc-K has complained as much, but the PNU fellas went for 'we can't politicise the civil service...) 4. That all is not well (You saw Karua quit, Nick Wanjohi kicked outta State House, 71-year old Muhoho back at KAA etc) All I am saying is: Kibaki is messing up things then running to hide behind 'drought, recession ....' ? ________________________________ From: David ochwangi To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31:58 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? Very well stated Moses! Admirable; the PM, the president and anybody else in leadership for that matter, must earn respect and when they don't through their actions, let's say so; don't sweep things under the rug and hope they figure it out; these fellows are just as human as we are and fraught with mistakes and natural frailties, they need to be corrected. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:48 AM Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us...that it is the small things that big things are made of. ? I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm? also wondering (..from this email to the PM's ear), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like?we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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By Reporter Residents of Nyando constituency and ODM party followers has told off their Member of Parliament Fred Outa over his alleged ban on two ODM MPs; Lands Minister James Orengo and Education Assistant Minister Prof ayiecho Olweny from the area as he believes that the duo had a hand in failure by Raila Odinga to appoint him as an Asst Minister band his current political woes within the constituency. In a move seen by many political pundits as a major political set back to the already besieged legislature who has lost support in his constituency the residents and party followers said that what Outa said were his personal views and should be perceived to the voice of Nyando constituents. ?Whom does he talk o behalf of? he is hardly in the constituency and the few times he comes he is heavily escorted by the police and he usually calls us poor people and beggars? said the statement which was signed and read by Calleb Diang?a women representative Philgona Odera??and youth leader Joash Otieno. They were reacting to Ou ta?s recent utterances in which he ?banned? Orengo and Ayiecho from ever stepping within the constituency accusing the duo of being behind his political woe within the constituency and failure by Prime Minister Raila Odinga to have appointed him as an Assistant Minister. ?We are really surprised by his short sightedness, how does somebody aspire to be an asst minister and not a full minister and he starts creating a fuss over yet he knows why he is no longer wanted in the constituency? the wondered. They added that the MPs major undoing is his open arrogance to his constituents and his exploitation and forceful monopoly of rice farming within the area in which he uses unorthodox means to achieve. They also said that last year?s arrest of the area?s provincial administrators has made him an enemy of many within the constituency, ?even you have you seen an MP arresting Chiefs and heir assistant and physically coming to the area with police officers to do that is that a leader or somebody who has some political disorders? the asked. They also distanced themselves from a statement Outa made in Emuhaya constituency during a funds drive in which he said that he was going to mobilize youths to block Kisumu ?Awasi road to set on fire Uganda bound cargo trucks if President Museveni was not going to withdraw his soldiers in Migingo Island. ?The government should know that, our youths are not prepared to do that, besides which youths d oes he talk about who are ready to listen to him? These are the same youths he calls lazy abuts and idlers all he time they seek his attention for help? the youth leader said. The also added that the issue of Migingo did not warrant any of his comments as the issue is far way beyond him and he should restrict himself to the problems facing his constituents like uplifting of educational standards, perennial flooding within the area and creation of jobs for the idle youths. ?rather than parroting about Migingo ,why can?t he address the issue of rice farming which he has really messed within the constituency leading to many quitting the farming, the President is aware of Migingo issue and the area also has an MP ,why does he poke his nose there?? they wondered Outa is presently a besieged man who is faced with deep financial crisis as is evidenced by the numerous financial institutions with Kisumu and Nairobi, the said debts he accrued during his election days, some quarters say that the MP is usually playing hide and seek with some of the banks he owes money as he is said to be too broke to service some of his debts. So bad are his financial status that he shifted from the three star hotels he used to sleep in within Kisumu to a dingy hotel in down town hotel as he avoids his numerous debtors. Former area MPs,Otieno Karan,Paul Otita and Eric Nyamunga has only served the constituency for one time and seems Outa is on his way out given his current=2 0dwindled political fortune. Ben Odotte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjmwangi at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 12:45:00 2009 From: kjmwangi at gmail.com (Kuria-Mwangi) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] [africa-oped] Kenyans Meeting with President Obama In August In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543d04890904100945i2ccd456al9f3661d5d1b7bdd8@mail.gmail.com> Odhis, Give Judy my name. I have started to save for a suit for the big day. 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URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 16:18:25 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Is there hope for Kenya? Message-ID: <843629.49399.qm@web38706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a wonderful priviledge of living at Kisii, Kericho, Machakos, Eldoret/Kapsabet, Kisumu, Nakuru, Thika,Kakamega, and Nairobi. Then, I did not witness or experience some of the things I now read in some forums and the Kenyan daily papers! I enjoyed listening to different dialects and made an effort to learn some. I made and have friends and school mates from most tribes in Kenya. As I was growing up, I desired so much to settle either in Nakuru or Kitale, someday! Although I have been in the States since 1987,(except for the years 1997-1999, when I served as a senior pastor at Nairobi Central SDA church,) I still cherish good memories of my motherland! But I am made to understand that Kenya is no longer the same; A lot has changed since then. What do I know of my motherland? -Kenya is truly a beautiful country, blessed with different rich resources. -Kenya has wonderful people; the most patient and peaceful people that I have ever known. -Kenyans are hard working people. So, what went wrong? This is what I think! -Kenya has been let down/ruined by some leaders who think more about themselves! The sense of right and wrong seem to have gone into dogs. There have been all kinds of scandals and misappropriation of funds. -Some leaders condemn others for the same things that they do. -There are so many who want to become the President by force or by using all kinds of evil methods. There is no clear system that allows for fair election and elimination of the candidates -Some of the leaders start fire and then retrieve to their comfort zones to watch the country burn -It has become almost impossible to trust any leader -Hard to find leaders who are principled or with a stand. Often times, I have been disappointed to see leaders change positions from time to time How about the common people? -Sadly, by beholding, we too, have become changed. -In some ways, we tend to think and see things like the politicians do. -We have allowed ourselves to be used by the same politicians who have let us down -We tend to support our own even when there is clear evidence of their wrong doing. -The men and women of the cloth have fallen under the same trap! There is every possibility that they too, have become color blind. -We have no respect or patience for one another. -We write articles that are likely to take the country back to 2007! So, what's the solution? -Prayer, prayer, prayer......................Why? That which we are not able to change, our God will. Furthermore, remember that God is able to change leaders without our help! -Let us learn to respect one another. -Let us be the change that we expect to see in others! Change begins with you and I! Just think of what will happen in Kenya if each one worked on changing his/her own attitude and way of doing stuff Like always, I will continue praying for Kenya. Pray that all will go well and that each one will live a life that is above the line of poverty. Will you join me in praying for Kenya? Just a thought! Pr Birai From memberservices at anacweb.org Fri Apr 10 19:19:27 2009 From: memberservices at anacweb.org (memberservices at anacweb.org) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] ANAC Calender of Events for APRIL 2009 Message-ID: <20090410161927.ad1f58ba49f852f53d44274d3e858974.f0ab898412.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moses.edmoses.ed at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 07:37:19 2009 From: moses.edmoses.ed at gmail.com (ed moses) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:37:19 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: The Kenyan Reality Check - By Karani Josses Edwin's In-Reply-To: <991123400904090235g4647ed68s71797fc3cb59123c@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400904090235g4647ed68s71797fc3cb59123c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *well observed by the author!....Inferences now,:* *1. Leaders should stop being 50-50 heroes forthwith. I mean, you are either a dalai lama or a Mugabe.No middle grounds! A reformer or part of the pack.No grey areas!In government or out of it.No fence sitting!Either fully alive to issues or completely dead.No convenient comas! Guilty as charged...led by Karua and Odinga* *2.Stop selective thinking. This is a scorned wife's thinking habit.You either remember all the sins committed or non at all depending on which one should fix you.So, talk about Anglo,talk about goldenberg,talk about maize & triton with similar venom.* *3.Kenyans, stop being timid. No change has ever come just by wishing it!Some force may be necessary* On 4/9/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Hello YPs, > > For those of you who love FB, here is one useful piece a friend posted on > FaceBook. I take no credit for it. > > *http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=68729227890 > * > Reproduced Here..unedited: > > KENYAN REALITY CHECK > > folks let us not forget to soon.... > > 1. it is right over 1 year since we wanted to tear each other apart because > our so called leaders stole, were robbed of election victory. We lost many > lives and not one day have we heard a special anniversary memoriam being > held for the people who lost their lives. 1 year later our 'leaders' are > still grappling to hold on to whatever little power they have (left). > > 2. It is an insult to our intelligence and a dishonour to our fallen > countrymen when we see on television our prime minister complaining about > the absence of a PC or half a ceremonial carpet when millions of our > brothers are sleeping hungry. It is an insult to our suffering to have a > president call a press conference and use state resources to admonish former > members of parliament about utterances towards the first family. It would be > prudent for someone to tell the president he is out of touch with not only > the common mwananchi but also REALITY...... > > 3. We are told by the prime minister that kenya has not had scandals as big > as goldenberg and anglo-leasing but what he does not tell us is that since > the grand collusion was agreed upon, we have never seen suffering brought > upon by corruption on such a scale...... Because Devani and Kiraitu and God > knows who else have been interdicted in the Triton saga Kenya had pump > prices going past 102.00ksh which is basically more or less one whole euro > to the litre of petrol. Kenya resembled Zimbabwe with queues so long and > availability nil. Because Ruto and his maize munching buddies effectively > raided the National Cereals and Produce Board. Maize prices sky rocketed and > millions of kenyans could not afford the one most common meal they have in > their diet. Mr Prime Minister is that not a big scandal or do you mean > internationally it is not a big scandal but locally the people can go to > hell, or starve to death then go to hell. When Kimunya sold the Grand > Regency at a price so insignificant that it was equated as being low enough > not even capable of buying thierry henry off his contract from barcelona if > a team made a bid, who was fooling who? We know there are many other > scandals that have been silently pushed below the carpet and those that our > press men are being bribed to keep quiet. We knew there was something fishy > with Otieno Kajwang and his free passports for all, Why would Taiwo Atieno > struggle for so long to get a kenyan passport and he wants to play for the > team he loves. We know about the traffic cops who own multi-million matatus > (ROUTE 58) that break every law in the book everyday and no one bats an > eyelid. We find it laughable that the Kenya Anti-corruption (KACA) has been > unable to take even one major player in corruption to court over any crime > even an unpaid parking ticket. KACA then has the audacity to put on > television adverts on how to give kenyans tips on fighting corruption, what > a shame. > > 4. The total age of all our top civil servants and ministers as well as the > president and PM minister is 11,580years, i guessed but i am sure i am not > far from the truth. We have a civil service that has never changed > leadership and offices that still use typewriters, old english telephones > and ministry drivers who are almost the same age as my cucu, She is 60years > old by the way. The minimum age to retire in Kenya is 60 years now and not > 55 years. The youth of this country are not included in any future govt > plans. > > 5.Speaking about the youth, 55% of registered voters are youth. 80% of > unemployed kenyans are youth. That does not make sense. the only statistic > at the moment that favour the youth is that they have the lowest rate of HIV > prevalence with married folks (NOT YOUTH) are spreading the virus like > wildfire. > > 6. Majority of kenyan youth above the age of 22 do not have an ambition, > chance to succeed and are generally pessimistic about everything. As a > matter of fact these youth do not even have girlfriends until late in their > 20's and marry well past their 30's. > > 7. Kenya has the largest number of single mothers between the ages of 18-28 > in Africa unless the nigerians beat us because of their population size. I > know eastlands has the largest number of single mothers in nairobi, no doubt > about that. > > 8. Kenyan politicans are not the brightest people in the world and if you > see them together in a large bunch the y appear to look like a pack of > hyenas ready to devour some innocent kenyans tax. > > 9. We feel proudest when we talk our mother tongue because there is nothing > proud about Kenya we can share together. The rugby team is for the well off > supporters (How many eastlanders go to the safari sevens?), the football > team is made up of same old same old guys (innovation and creativity is not > allowed at all thanks to KFF, NEw KFF, FKL, KPL or whoever owns the game) > Cricket is forgotten ( that guy with the canadian wife/girlfriend who was > taking bribes from the indians made sure of that) Athletics is tribal > (according to most kenyans who cannot even run to save their lives) > > 10. There is a man who stands every thursday and lies continuously to the > kenyan people about almost everything.... MV FAINA is a kenyan ship with > kenyan arms.... He is the Government spokesman and he would do us greater > service if he stuck to daydreaming of being oliver stone. > > 11. Martha Karua is no snow white but she does have more cahonas than the > trash talking Ruto who happens to be her biggest NAY SAYER right now and > most people we know. > > MORE IS COMING........SPEAK THE TRUTH ASHAME THE ESTABLISHMENT...... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on > society." > -- Mark Twain > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <991123400904090302m12d2a0f4x3e3b9f0b2919dc60@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400904090302m12d2a0f4x3e3b9f0b2919dc60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: *In response to Daktari, I opine as follows...* Dear All, I feel saddened by the comparison made by the contributor who signed off as "Just Wondering". He is justifying tribalism in Kenya by bringing in the players in the English Soccer League. He needs to bear the following points in mind:-*My thought was on tribalism as an aspect and not as it is Defined, Refered to and Practised here in Kenya by our politicians.* i. Spain and France are two countries and the players he isrefering to are not one tribe - in the case of France the players are a mixture of Europeans and Africans;*Pal,what is tribe?In my definition, I used language as the most unifying aspect of a tribe.Actually, it just might be the only real aspect of tribe because as we sit pretty in Urban cosmopolitan areas, you will find that it is only through language that a tribe is referred to. Otieno living in Langata is only luo because he speaks dholuo as far as he's concerned,not because he does some strange jigs at 2.00a.m on a full moon as a custom for budding young males.(i dont know whether they do that for sure,just chance hehe)* ii. The Clubs are private entities whose owners are driven by profits as opposed to a nation where what matters is the global (national) good of all citizens who are the owners of the country and its assets/resources; *well, true there. Perhaps what I can add here is, ceteris paribus- assuming that the 'global good' of all citizens is not infringed,question..would it be wrong still for a leader to surround himself with his 'own?'* iii. The fact that a club manager is partisan by fielding people from his country ( which is wrong) does not make it right for others to do the same - we cannot justify a wrong with another wrong; *Funny,...How is it wrong?Im tempted to think that you have already imagined something wrong as the product rather than the factor! * ** iv. To imply that one can only trust his own tribe is a fallacy and such a practice will mean that Kenyans will always fight during elections because politicians will convince their tribe that the president must come from their tribe so that they can reap the goodies. *Relax, my argument was a question pondering actions 'after the fact' not 'before the fact!' And who talked about goodies, Im just talking about work here! another imagination perhaps? why do we let ourselves do this all the time?lets just leave imaginations to comedians and cartoonists, not in politics and matters leadership because therein lies the dragon of propaganda.sawa daktari?* ** *....and lets think outside the box!!!* Dr. George Wainaina, PhD. Chairman, *ONE KENYA ONE NATION* On 4/9/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, ed moses wrote: > >> Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps >> tribalism (*persons bound together by language...and customs*) is a >> generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may >> come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a >> champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help >> but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his >> side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(*and the >> other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8*). >> Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% >> players of french speaking. Fergie,(*the individual record holder of gum >> chewing*) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British >> Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples >> could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed >> societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a >> realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in >> Kenya by saying ooh this leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla >> bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where >> you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc >> etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' >> >> Just wondering......... >> > > This tells us that tribalism isn't necessarily a bad thing, and for sure, > we need to accept that there is positive tribalism as well as negative. > When we talk about tribalism in Kenya (and major parts of Africa), we > always refer to the negative tribalism and that which is, sadly, associated > with leadership (our leaders, our despots). > Back to Kenya. From the little that I have read, there was no negative > tribalism in Kenya before independence. Didn't all Kenyans fight for > independence? Yes, they did. So when did the tribalism rain start beating > us? I'd like to think this started just before the parting of ways between > Kenyatta and Odinga and Bildad Kaggia. So in Kenya, Kenyatta is the founder > of negative tribalism. If tribalism ever counted, then we all know that > Jaramogi Oginga Odinga would have been the 1st President (no, I think Prime > Minister at that time) of Kenya. However, he was above that and instead > insisted that Kenyatta be released to lead Kenya. What a BIG mistake he > made! > > BTW, I only started hearing about "tribalism" with politicians. In school, > I was so happy to share with Kikuyu, Kambas, Luhya, etc, and apart from the > fact that they never spoke my native language, I never even noticed any > difference between me and them. I still don't. I was always so happy to > teach them my language while they also taught me theirs. I only "feel" the > ramifications of "tribalism" in it's application, especially the nepotism. > > Well, that is generations gone. We can correct these mistakes now, as we > are more enlightened, having seen what negative tribalism has done to us > since it was "born". > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on > society." > -- Mark Twain > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The deadline for applications was 9th, January 2009. Have a blessed Easter P Cathelet Josephat Khanani _____ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com on behalf of josiah ogalo Sent: Thu 09/04/2009 10:48 To: youngprofessionals_ke Subject: [YP_Ke] MAGADI SODA EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES...ANY ENGINEERS IN THE FORUM? YPS_Ke, Let's help one another with the many many opportunities we may know of..... 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Kenya and Uganda are locked in an ownership dispute on the small fishing island in Lake Victoria with both countries claiming it. Local leaders who met at a forum here on Wednesday took the dispute one step threatening to paralyze rail and road transport to Uganda by mobilizing residents to block the routes for ferrying of goods including fuel to Uganda if it does not withdraw its soldiers from the disputed island. During the post election violence last year, Uganda experienced a lot of hardship in getting its food through the vandalized roads and faced acute shortage of fuel to paralyzed road and railway transport in Kenya. Local leaders said they would hit back at Uganda?s excessive arrogance by denying access to road and water transport services. Uganda is a land locked country and relies on Kenya for oil transport and other import and export of goods. The country transports its products including coffee by rail to the Kenyan Indian Ocean port of Mombasa before exporting them. Addressing the Nyanza strategic recovery forum in Kisumu City on Wednesday, the leaders in the region threatened to call for mass action in protest against Uganda?s refusal to vacate Migingo island. They argued ?the residents of this region relied on the disputed island for fish and their patience was running out. Reports reaching here from Migingo island says Uganda sent more soldiers to the disputed Migingo island on the very day President Yoweri Museveni and President Mwai Kibaki reported to have agreed to have the soldier withdrawn.. On Wednesday the leaders led by the Forum Chairman Oloo Kochiel, called for a quick and lasting solution to the ownership of the disputed island. Others were Luo Council of elders Chairman ?Ker? Riaga Ogalo, Vice Chairman of the Inter-Faith Network Salim Ahmed, Arch Bishop Abakuk Abongo?, Mrs Betty Okero and Joshua Nyamori The leader told president Kibaki to declare who owns the Island ?we heard that Kibaki with Museveni in Burundi. He should now tell Kenyans what they discussed? Riaga Ogalo adding that the dispute is having regulative impact on the economy of the region bordering Uganda. They said failure by Ugandan to lower its flag as agreed a month ago at an earlier meeting in Kampala showed they were not committed to resolving the dispute. They said deployment of more Ugandan troops to the Island was an insult to Kenyan. President Kibaki should playing diplomacy with their Ugandan counterpart as hundreds of Kenyan fishermen continued suffering, said Riaga Ogalo. A recent series of meetings between cabinet Ministers from both countries failed to resolve the row and at one time found into heckling boughs and shouting match. However, the existing old maps drawn by the former British colonial rulers indicated clearly that the Island is in Kenya, but a Ugandan flag is hoisted in the Island and its trough are on the patrol. Kenyan fishermen claim Ugandan authorities have imposed taxes before allowing them to fish around the island. End leooderaomolo at yahoo.com KISUMU PORT REVENUES HAS DROPPED AS RVR FAILS TO RENEW INSURANCE FOR MV. UHURU THE FERRY THAT SHUTTLES IN LAKE VICTORIA Business Report by Leo Odera Omolo The once vibrant and robust Kisumu Port that was once gateway to East Africa has recorded a big slump in the recent past following the withdrawal of service of the giant course ferry MV Uhuru. The vessel that has been on the dry dock since 2006 over what marine engineers termed as ?minor? mechanical and logistical problems used to take in Kshs. 17 million per month on the peak of its services. Inherited from the Kenya Railway Corporation, in 2001 by the ailing Rift Valley Railways MV Uhuru is now rusting away at the dry dock and has become a home for rodents and other marine life. Its absence from Western of Lake Victoria has given room for smaller privately owned Gorge vessels that have been unable to meet the high demand for transporters between the three East African countries of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. Cargo transport experts say Kisumu Port was a strategic gateway to the rest of East and Central African regions and needed a larger vessel like Uhuru. The port cuttered a major set back in 2005 when two Uganda cargo ferries MV Kawa and MV Kabalega collided in the Lake, resulting into a push-up of the cargo in Kisumu and Mwanza ports. MV Kabaleza sank with a load of which its way of transporting from Mwanza while MV Kawa was extensively damaged during the down accident near Sese Island in the Ugandan side of Lake Victoria. With the absence of the two Ugandan ferries, MV Uhuru dominated the whole business making close to Kshs. 2.5 million averages between Kisumu, Mwanza and Portt Bell (Luzira) Marine transport experts say MV Uhuru continued stay in the dry dock was hurting business at Kisumu Port. MV Uhuru is the biggest Cargo carrier in Lake Victoria. It can carry up to 1000 tones of cargo in one trip. Engineers say MV Uhuru believe is not in bad shape, attributing the problem to bad management. The closure of the section of the Kisumu-Nakuru railway line after the 2007 post-election violence also led to a slump in the business at Kisumu Port, which is also securing some ports of Northern Tanzania. A senior marine engineer at the port revealed that could not sail on the water because the Insurance had already expired and it has not been renewed. As a result Kenya was losing close to Kshs. 10 million every month when the gap generated after ferrying goods to neighboring Uganda and Tanzania. One trip from Kisumu port to Uganda Port Bell port and back which takes about three days earned the country close to Kshs. 2 million. ?While in Uganda we could be hired to transport goods to other to destination and generate more money.? Ends Leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 10 18:40:40 2009 From: steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk (steve ogeda) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:40:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption Message-ID: <62873.9955.qm@web27202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ed Moses, ? Its a free society.Air your views.The culture of pointing fingers is what has got our country into this mess.No one takes responsibilty and we are all afraid to admit when wrong.If one has an less infromed opinion and we offer insight then the whole society becomes a better place.Just contribute your two cents worth and let people be.Note that we don't all have to be in agreement but if?we pick something positive it makes reading your mail worthwhile. ? THOUGHT:GREAT LEADERS HAVE ADVISORS BUT DOES THAT MAKE THEM SIMPLETONS? ? --- On Thu, 9/4/09, david muriuki wrote: From: david muriuki Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 7:09 PM FOR HOW LONG KIBAKI,ODINGA,KENYATTA........WOOOOTE WAENDE HOME.AMUENI AND STOPE THIS CHEAP POLITICS.ATI WAKATI WETU SASA.WE NA NANI? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:18 AM Ei guys, with people like Lee Makwiny, Martin Njalale, Elihah Wehoba, Steve Ogeda and Jackson Kibuchi, really I wonder, 1.who needs tribal chiefs? 2.who needs mungiki? 3.Who needs trigger happy policemen? 4.who needs the ragtags we have in parliament? ? we have them all here!!!!!! ? again, 1.who cares about being YOUNG? 2. Heck, who needs to be a PROFESSIONAL? As someone surely once said, things arent always as they seem.aint that soo true!! ? ? On 4/6/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jackson Kibuchi wrote: Dear Elihah, You cant instill fear on kikuyus, in any case we never started the fight in January, but we can defend ourselves, if fighting starts, everybody suffers apart from those living abroad. I am not a politician and I hate politics, but I hate people insulting my tribe as if everybody is a politician. Best Regards Jackson This "diarrhe? verbal" is now getting too much. Perhaps there is a way the moderator can kill this subject, or the contributors, even? ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. ?Naked people have little or no influence on society." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mark Twain --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From luo31 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 11 04:10:05 2009 From: luo31 at hotmail.com (barack abonyo) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:10:05 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [africa-oped] Uhuru Kenyatta In-Reply-To: <641193.28776.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <641193.28776.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you are a luo or kalenjin then expect to be burnt alive the day Uhuru become president of kenya,. The statement is an exaggeration but it is very close to the trueth. Uhuru is a tribalist through and through. For him the gikuyu is a tribe from god. Be carefull about him. BARACK To: africa-oped at yahoogroups.com; opinion at bbc.co.uk; haveyoursay at bbc.co.uk; ccr-kenya at yahoogroups.com; jambo at publiceyesite.org; kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com; letters at eastandard.net; madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com; mailbox at nation.co.ke; news at ktnkenya.com; next_kenya at yahoogroups.com; publiceyet at aol.com; youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com CC: africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com; editor at nation.co.ke; editors at newsweek.com; jaluo at jaluo.com; kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; mulembe at yahoogroups.com; mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; net-kenya at yahoogroups.com; panafricanistforum at yahoogroups.com; ugandacom at yahoogroups.com From: kamaujnjuguna at yahoo.com Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:02:16 -0700 Subject: [africa-oped] Uhuru Kenyatta Comrades, Do you understand Uhuru Kenyatta? Honestly, can this boy lead Kenya? What with that hatred he habours against the Luo? Can Uhuru unite Kenyans? Let us all love Kenya and seek permanent peace. 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URL: From oyookraft at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 06:36:20 2009 From: oyookraft at yahoo.com (nicholas oyoo) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] A government that is removed by civilians, is actually stronger than it's military. Message-ID: <563598.69695.qm@web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For things that do not affect him directly (but touch on Kenyans) the PM remains mute or follows it with a feeble statement here and there. But the show he put on in Mombasa about the PC Choo and Carpet, Shows where his priorities lie and certainly the priorities of these elite. If it was for the people issues, Martha would not have stayed 1 year as a minister. But it has to be me, myself and I. and we are to cheer that??? Am done cheering... Is Raila hands really tied? Was he really forced into a marriage? I don't think so. In Jan 2008 I was one of the people who said Raila had the choice of moving into the Opposition benches. He had the numbers. As Mutahi Ngunyi described it he was like Moses walking into the Pharaohs courts and the pharaoh convinces him to share power 50 -50 and he decides to share power. So where would the Exodus story be in this circumstances? That was exactly what happened to our exodus story. ? In June 2007, I asked Raila to use the keys legends have used to midwife the renewal of the nation. He should have moved out of the then ODM Kenya, formed a new party, put in the processes of ensuring that only clean fellas will get its ticket, he may have lost the 2007 elections but today, we would be looking his side for inspiration. Many young people could have benefited from the tough rules and youth would have supported him. The only reason Raila had to join the coalition was because of his shadows, the Rutos, Mudavadis and all. It is not too late for him. He can even resign PM, Minister, MP and ODM and move to start again in a house where reform is the first alphabet. ? He has that unique opportunity that he seems unable to see. I know, such action will look drastic, but such are what legends are made of. He can ask the 'sycophants' who follow him out that they are not to assume that because 'they have stood by him in the tough times' that they will benefit as the rules and regulations will be followed to the letter and anyone who cant get past the bar will not be considered. If he took such action we can help him build the new ship and the new Kenya. It may be hard to make inroads, but nothing comes easy. I know they will dismiss him as the quitter and quitters don?t win and all those nice words like the guy who has to move from party to party. But they also say that the wise change their minds and fools don?t. Raila?s biggest problem in not so many words is association with the bad and ugly of this nation. Slowly their bad manners are getting him smeared and he seems to be enjoying it. But the only reason this (elite) minority denied him the opportunity to serve was because he played Golf with them and they enjoyed the game together as we watched in the sidelines. ? He needed to bring in Kenyans (real Kenyans in a new arrangement for leadership) and stop being a slave to this people. Now is the best time to do that. He can call their bluff but he must remember to make the move as AN INDIVIDUAL as all the elite is so rotten. A surprise announcement resigning from all these institutions including ODM would do. He really has nothing to loose an all to win. Africa need the next Mandela, Raila has that opportunity to chase the old mans glory. And it is never the easy decision to take. But I bet he can do it, don?t you think so...Otherwise when I see him in the company of the likes of Henry Kosgey, I feel betrayed. But no worries we cannot look at just one person. He remains where he is he is then he is in opposition of Kenyans looking for reforms. He can serve from 2012 to 2017 and pass the button. Am so convinced it is only person (In the current) who can reprint the political arena in this manner is non other than Raila. But if he chooses to stay put we will not stop in our quest to change Kenya and he will face the tsunami due to his associations when it comes to pass. ? Nicholas Oyoo Ochieng --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Joram Ragem wrote: From: Joram Ragem Subject: A government that is removed by civilians, is actually stronger than it's military. To: "jaluo jaluo" , "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:57 PM Dear Kenyans, ? We?saw with?our own eyes as?chaos and meyhem visited?our country?after the last flawed general elections. All of us were tired, fed up and scared of what more?harm further gridlock would cause.?Indeed, even Raila?could not tolerate the sight of the death he witnessed at the mortuaries and all about.?He compromised,?and as any outsmarted politician?would do, he settled for something he did not seek in the first place. Indeed, Raila might have been contended with the role of PM even if his authority was 20 vis a vis Kibaki's 70 out of 100, provided there was genuine progress towards reforms. Why is this true? I am certain Raila and almost everyone believes that he will?contest?again for?Kenya's highest office, while?Kibaki has term limits. Kibaki however, had no intention whatsoever, not only?to share power, but to institute meaningful?reforms. Why? Because power corrupts absolutely. ? And so here we are again. Raila has realized he has been outsmarted, again. But alas, a?lot has changed since 2007, yet nothing?has changed fundamentally or permanently. Wanjiku if poorer, hungrier, more worried about today, not just tomorrow and less secure for herself and her children. ? Kenyans, we?have talked?in circles and it appears?events are being repeated because we let it, and then we say?history is reappering or repeating. There is a very?big vaccum?that is left behind?when there is yearning, disappointment, hunger, or betrayal, and those yearning, disappointed, hungry or betrayed fill?this void or sifuri?based on our capacity. Those who cause this to happen inherently believe they were made to execute this role. But what the oppressed are unable to see or realize?is the biggest sin of commission: That the oppressed can actually rise beyond their capacity and not only fill the vaccum or sifuri, but occupy the space around it as well. ? I say,?a government that is removed by civilians, is actually stronger than it's military. How??Is this because the civilian is the weakest link in a nation??Je ni nini siri ya sifuri? Ni bwana O. 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During those days, we > used to have a lot of fishing activities in this area, the youth used to > operate boat rides, the families used to come and enjoy the scenic view of the Lake . During those days, the Lake > used to provide many people with economic activities. This meant that > incidences of crime were low and food was readily available to the families. > Now, the Lake is clogged. The > people cannot fish, the families cannot take a boat ride, the boat operators > have been chased out of the water, and incidences of crime and prostitution are > on the increase because the people who were so engaged in gainful economic > activities, have nothing but crime and prostitution to turn to. At the end of > the day, they must put bread on the family table, whatever it takes. And the area MPs are silent! > The Lake provides the President of the Independent* Republic of Kenya an opportunity to show his people > leadership. Even if the President has avoided some parts of Nyanza as the > plague, just like he has avoided the issue of Migingo > Islands that Ugandans have effectively > taken, the people around the Lake are still > Kenyans. And they need the support of their government to remove these things > from the Lake . > Here is where Kazi Kwa Vijana should come in. The people > around the Lake would not mind being so employed to manually harvest this thing > from the Lake and use it as fertilizer in their > farms. Here is where the government must show commitment into service delivery. > A people who have been dispossessed of their Lake > by the water hyacinth can only turn to their government for solace and > intervention. Kisumu sits on the Lake yet it > has no clean drinking water! And the President is not bothered. It is like > these people are not Kenyans. And the area MPs are silent! > It is instructive to note that President Kibaki, despite > being Raila Odinga?s partner in government, has refused to visit the whole of > Nyanza. He has been to Kisii 6 times in 6 years. In that period of time, he has > avoided the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo. And it speaks volumes. During > those visits, he has increased the number of Districts in that region to 13 > vis-?-vis 11 constituencies. In that time, he has created a total of 209 > Districts in Kenya > vis-?-vis 210 constituencies. > I do not know whether this is economical, but the > consolation is that our President is a graduate of Economics from Makerere University , even if his economics were > pre-colonial economics. > It is also instructive to note that Kenya Breweries pulled > out of Kisumu, Kicomi collapsed, Sugar Industries are collapsing, Ahero Rice Irrigation > is dead, Kisumu has no piped water, no industries are in Kisumu ? save for the Molasses that is associated with > the Odinga family, and now, the Lake is dying.. And we have a President who > refuses to visit this part of Kenya . > It is like he is not the President of the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo.And the area MPs are silent! > As this is happening, the President?s visit to Kisii, Western Province > and to Rift Valley Province > is sending clear signals to the Luo that the President is on an open vendetta > against them. Migingo > Island is invaded by > Museveni and the president is silent. Could it be true that Museveni sent in > troops to help Kibaki in early 2007? > Or why does the President seem to hate the Luo with such > open passion? > Recently some 4 Kenyans went to Bulla Hawa in the part of > Somali that has no government. They were quickly arrested by some rag-tag > militia for trespassing. It took the intervention of the provincial > administration to negotiate their release. In Kenya , Museveni invades and our > police fold arms and run away. The Army which is to protect our territorial > space is behaving as if they do not exist. They wish they were invisible. Does > it strike you that a rag-tag army can defend their territorial space such > swiftly, while a country that has not failed fails to protect her people? > Does it strike anybody that the president created 24 > Districts early this year, 15 of which are in Central Province ? > Does it strike anybody that the President is busy creating Districts across Kenya except in > the Nyanza of the Luo people? Does it strike you that Kisii District now has > more Districts than it has constituencies? What is this madness with creation > of Districts? > A toad does not jump in broad day light. There must be a > reason Kibaki is creating new districts, and it has all to do with Raila Odinga > and the Presidency in 2012. Kibaki is on a mission to ensure Raila does not get to be President of Kenya . And > for that matter, nobody else apart from one of his own. > What is the President?s game plan against the Luo? Is the > Prime Minister seeing all this? Does the president view the Luo as Kenyans as > well? I am asking these questions with a very clear mind. Kenyans are on a > mission to share, heal and reconcile with each other. The President is not showing any signs that he wants to reconcile with > the Luo. It is like he wants to suffocate the Luo out of existence. > His action and thought process can be seen in the eyes of > Uhuru Kenyatta, in how George Thuo talks, in how Simon Mbugua talks, and in the > honesty of John Michuki. If I read the signs clearly, then we are wasting our > times trying to reconcile the country. The President seems to have a set mind > against the Luo of Kenya, and this is chilling. > The moves by the President are the kind of things that do > not help in national healing and reconciliation. It is my humble opinion that > the President of a country must not show such open disdain against his subjects > the way Kibaki is showing to the Luo of Nyanza. It is my humble opinion that > the President must be at the forefront in creating harmony, national healing > and reconciliation. It is further my humble opinion that the President must not > play games that are aimed at alienating the Luo from their immediate > neighbours, the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjin. > It is hence not surprising that Kicomi closed down, Kenya > Breweries closed down, the sugar industries are struggling, Ahero Irrigation > Scheme is dead, the lake is clogged and Migingo Island > is gone, and the President is not concerned. To him, the Luo deserve all that. > He is not bothered, yet, this is also part of Kenya . > I am annoyed with the president for fomenting hatred instead > of creating unity. It is like he is setting the Kisii, the Luhya and the > Kalenjins against the Luo. Just like he has set Kenyans against the Kikuyu. More so, he is doing nothing to unite the Kikuyu and > the Luo. It is only Raila who is struggling to preach peace even in Central Province . And the Prime Minister seems > not to be seeing this. It reminds me of > early 2007 when the police were sent to kill the Luo in Kisumu, Kibera and in > Mathare. It was a killing that was premeditated and pre-planned. Instead of the > President leading us in a healing process, he is playing games with our psyche. > This is not acceptable. He is then positioning Uhuru, the man who planned the naivasha massacre, to succeed him. This must be madness> > The President must love the whole country. And he must be > fair to the whole country. > If I were the President of the Independent > Republic of Kenya , I would not wait to be urged > into action. I would engage the people in a daily process of harvesting the > water hyacinth manually immediately from Lake Victoria . > If I were the President of the Independent > Republic of Kenya , I would urge Kenya Breweries > to immediately go back to Kisumu. > If I were the President of Independent Republic of Kenya , > I would order the Army to move and secure all the Kenyan boarders with > immediate effect. The lack of interest over the issue of Migingo > Island from the Commander-in-Chief of > the Armed Forces of the Republic > of Kenya speaks volume by > itself. I would even borrow a leaf from what the Somali war load did when some > Kenyans strayed into his territory; he had them arrested very swiftly. No > negotiations. No begging missions. > Or it is a thank you token to Yoweri Museveni. Happy Easter. > ? Kamau J Njuguna ? > *Independent is highlighted because it is what we are > supposed to be. Reality shows we are not. 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The Moderators reserves the right to reject or let through any message > BidiiAfrika is an Open Forum of close to 24,000 members. > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From akumuj at aol.com Sat Apr 11 09:20:17 2009 From: akumuj at aol.com (akumuj at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:20:17 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Joram's First Undercover Assignment Pays Off. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB88BF64250BFC-EF4-13CC@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> You are so so right. Her resignation is analogous to Kibaki's resignation in the 90s. At that time the clamor was multipartism. Today it is reforms. Just as Moi knew of and may be orchestrated Kibaki's resignation to meddle FORD's chances, Kibaki this time is in league with Martha's?to steal some thunder out of the coming chorus for reforms. Time will tell. John Akumu -----Original Message----- From: Joram Ragem To: An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange. ; jaluo jaluo Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 2:29 pm Subject: [Jambo] Joram's First Undercover Assignment Pays Off. People, ? Politics is a dirty game, it is said. It is dirtier when you are undercover. It is neither fun nor sad, just string-pulling, mud-slinging and bait-throwing?business. You can never tell for sure whether you'll catch a?Red Herring, Kamongo, Odhadho, Mbuta, Nyamami, Obambo, Omena or?Ngege. You could also reel home nothing.?And so, ever since the stolen election, Project Karua was initiated.?Many would not have?imagined this outcome had they known?of the plan before inception.?I am glad to report that it has paid off. What we do not know is whether Iron Lady ,Martha Karua will indeed get the Cheif Executive position she is hell bent on. Here we may have woken up?the giant and?it is possible that we?will lose control of her. ? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaI3xQVE-A4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enation%2Eco%2Eke%2F&feature=player_embedded ? God's speed Martha. ? It is important however to brace for skirmishes, NO, calamity what with the constitutional crisis posed by the prevailing circumstances in Kenya at this time. -- Vladmir Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamintlministries2001 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 11:22:22 2009 From: williamintlministries2001 at yahoo.com (williamintlministries2001 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [kenya-can] Reforms and Reformers In-Reply-To: <689051.2119.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <689051.2119.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <641451296-1239463318-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2075376333-@bxe1109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I agree with Odhiambo. For how long are our elected leaders entertain themselves onbehalf of the poor citizens? They disagree on most of the policies that can make Kenya better, like reforms but they unanimously agree on increasing their salaries. If Karau or anybody else cares for Kenya, let begin by taking a pay cut, pay taxes and stand against Kenyans being used a pawns in a chess game. This is the time when a true leader should concentrate in saving lives and not campaigning for any position. Kenya need selfless leaders. NB: The Prime Minister is Senior than a VP. We don't need to setup any commission to decide that. Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoy? sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le r?seau de Bell. -----Original Message----- From: odhiambo okecth Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:49:16 To: africa-oped; ; ; ; ccr; Citizen; ; An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange.; Guardian; jaluo; ; ; kol; KTN; ugandacom; Cc: ; ; ; ; ; People Foundation; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; White House U.S.A.; citizens against violence; VOA; VOU; youthagenda Subject: [kenya-can] Reforms and Reformers Reforms and Reformers???????????????????????????????????????? 10th April 2009 I watched Martha Karua on NTV and then Mutahi Ngunyi on Capital Talk at K24 yesterday night and I was left with many questions. Kenyans are being taken for a ride by these people and the journalists that ask them questions. ? Earlier in the day, I saw Martha Karua with a team that call themselves civil leaders in an hotel, supposedly talking about Kenya and the Kenyan problem. ? First, what is this obsession with having workshops in the hotels? ? At the hotels, it is always the same people meeting. They talk to themselves about what they all know, and what some of us know. And to this extent, what value do they add to the reform process in the country? ? They are hardly covered by the media. If they are covered, they are given less than a minute of news time. When I am watching news with friends and they appear on TV, the question that people ask is; on whose behalf do these people talk? ? I bet it is time the donor community realized that these people who talk in the hotels are in very serious business. They represent nobody and they talk for nobody. They are in it for themselves. They are part of the problem Kenyans must deal with. ? As soon as we elect them to parliament, they promptly forget the reform agenda. They only come back to the reform process once they have been sacked, or once they fall out of favour. But so long as things are working their way, they will talk no reform. And that is why they must make all the noise in the hotels where they have the usual audience. Remember one Kibutha Kibwana? ? At NTV, I would have wanted to hear Kathleen Openda ask Karua her role in President Kibaki appointing an Electoral Team all by himself in the run up to the last electoral fiasco, in the process ignoring the IPPG deal. That was not forthcoming. I would have wanted Kathleen to put Karua to task; tell her that she is a reformer of no shade, just like Ruto said. Ask her how logical it can be to declare a man with 43 MPs as the presidential winner while one with 112 MPs is declared the looser. ? I would have wanted to hear from Karua how logical it is to declare a man with one and a half province a winner against one with six clear provinces to himself. I would have also wanted to hear how logical it is for two men with the support of only two provinces ganging up to forcefully take over power against one person with the support of six provinces.? The law wants the winner to have the support of at least 5 provinces. Kibaki had only Central and half of Eastern province. Kalonzo had less than half of a province while Raila who was declared the loser had six clear provinces. Karau owes us an explanation. ? I would have wanted Kathleen to come heavy on Karua?s reform credentials. How come she yaps reforms only after falling out of favour with non reformers? Her reform credentials are questionable, just like those of Mwai Kibaki, Kalonzo Musyoka, Mutula Kilonzo and Kibutha Kibwana. ? Lastly, for Mutahi Ngunyi to suggest that Kibaki can appoint George Saitoti as the next Prime Minister is superfluous. He must be in very deep slumber for the National Accord that we have is so clear on who becomes the Prime Minister. It is not the President to appoint. ? The law says that the Prime Minister shall be the leader of the largest political party in parliament. As it is, Raila Odinga is that leader. He has close to 112 MPs in parliament. The nearest challenger is Mwai Kibaki with 43 MPs in Parliament, followed by Kalonzo Musyoka with 16 MPs, Uhuru Kenyatta with 14 MPs, and then other fringe parties. Kalonzo and Kibaki have a combined force of 59 MPs in Parliament, still a far cry from what Raila and ODM have. You know, these are the facts. ? People like Mutahi are the people who are misadvising Kibaki on the Coalition government. If he becomes candid with Kibaki over these issues, he will do Kenya a good favour. But pretending to talk about real issue in public and in columns does not make sense to me when you talk different in private. ? So, can Mutahi tell us under what authority Kibaki can even contemplate appointing Saitoti as the Prime Minister? Mutahi could be a good political commentator, but he must consign himself to reality. He must not be an agent provocateur for the current system. If he does like he is doing, he becomes a rabid dog for hire in the view of many of us who advocate truth as the guiding lines in leadership. In his political brief to the president, he needs to be as factual. He must not serve us with water, while he takes wine in the company of the President. ? Secondly, why must Kibaki only consider Saitoti in the mind of Mutahi? Are there no other Kenyans worthy of consideration? This is a typical myopic thinking. It serves to advance tribal considerations at the expense of the country. It does not advance the national peace and reconciliation that Kenya so badly wants. ? Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigavala at aol.com Sat Apr 11 11:26:24 2009 From: bigavala at aol.com (bigavala at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB88D1024DCFAE-7CC-23C2@WEBMAIL-MB01.sysops.aol.com> Sorry Mr Bosire or whoever you are. Propagating tribalism in this century is the worst thing that one should think about. It is not only primitive but also selfish. I can not believe that a person like you coming from a very small tribe can think of putting yourself on fire. If you are isolated somewhere and think you have numbers do not sacrifice your people for personal gain. Whoever supports you is a zombie in today's world. If tribalism was to be looked at them some powerful people in the world would not be holding the presidency. Look at the USA. Peru and compare with tribalism in your country. A soccer team is not a country of over forty two tribes . Watch out what you write and edit your work. Barasa -----Original Message----- From: Bosire Bogonko To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 3:19 am Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? Good point ED. We need to look at tribalism more positively. ? ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Being rich is having money; being wealthy is having time." - Stephen Swid, executive (b. 1941) From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ed moses Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:10 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Tribalism!!! A Way of Leadership Perhaps????? ? Listen ladies and gentlemen, I am beginning to think that perhaps tribalism (persons bound together by language...and customs)?is a generally acceptable way of leadership.what makes me think so? maybe I may come up with more examples thatn this but yesterday as I was watching a champions league soccer match between Liverpool and Chelsea, I couldnt help but notice that liverpool's leadership (a spanish coach, Benitez) had on his side a whopping 7 spanish players in an English team!!!!!!!!!!(and the other guy Lucas, I just aint sure where he's from so it could well be 8). Wenger, the french Arsenal coach has a tradition of having well above 50% players of french speaking. Fergie,(the individual record holder?of gum chewing) is scottish and he too will always lean towards the British Aisles and have characters from wales,england etc. and the list of examples could be endless. Making me wonder then,if it can happen in developed societies like england for e.g., then perhaps tribalism is actually a realistic way of leadership!! we shouldnt then wholly castigate it here in Kenya by saying ooh this?leader has appointed 'his people' in Key areas bla bla bla. Afterall, you ask yourself, in crucial aspect of leadership where you are charged with protecting a people's wealth, dreams, aspirations, etc etc, would you just surround yourself with people you 'cant trust?' ? Just wondering......... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 12:20:59 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Fw: Raila claims sabotage in coalition Message-ID: <873818.95280.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, This sounds more to the right angle and PM Raila here?is demanding what is?rightly his according to agreement signed? -? ?(give credit where it is due).???? Kibaki with those around him must adhere to the Coalition agreement pact of equal share in the Coalition Government.? Some people, because of malicious,?are taking issues to?taint PM Raila to seem like a simpleton, yet he is just stating a fact.? They do this because they want to get away with cheating so easy.? At this point, and because I stand for equality, unity and peace -?I will stand for the truth for reconcilliation and peace and so, I will point directly on that which is wrong in plain language stating facts, like I have done previousely, why Kibaki and PNU are wrong.? The PNU folks and their supporters behave as if the rest of the world?with other thinking beings lost their reasoning?power and have no common sense except they think they are too shrewedly twisted?to get away with every crook and also that they are too smart to keep pushing people to the edge.? People get tired at some point?from constant bully.??In Kenya, people have reached dead end. When it gets to this point, it gets nasty.... ? ? What is bringing bad blood, hate and disunity?must be scuttled and diminished before it turns to cancer.? To those who are holding gun on one side supporting evils of?Kibaki and PNU?meanness,?are doing Kenya a lot of deservice, when?in actual fact, the world?can see with clear eyes that Kibaki and foes are selfish, insensitive and boisterous? to the plights of Kenya. These are some of issues when not tackled fairly would cause serious repercusions,?revolt and can push everyone to the extreme?in order to?settle scores?by way of physical confrontation?or a fight.? It looks like Kibaki and PNU are keen on a fight and they will not settle at all costs for peaceful resolution.? Those who feel Kibaki with PNU fellows are on the right path are all wrong and are instigators.? What Kibaki and team?are doing is hard stance standoff so they can have their way.? They are the ones pushing ODM team to the edge.? We will not let this happen.? PNU and Kibaki MUST be forced to cede by all means.? If PM Raila and ODM allows?themselves to be walked on as weaklings, they cannot protect interests of their electorates and therefore, have no business to be leaders. ?They have learned their lessons and must stand on the path of rightousness in order to gain peoples confidence.? We will through Civil Networking, remove those bend?on cultivating?disunity and hate amongst Kenyans.?? ? If the Agreement Pact?was equal share 50/50, it must be seen both in paper and in practice to be so. Anything less means something is seriously wrong and the Coalition Government is Null and Void so each and every individual must stand up to be counted. ? This time round, let the whole world without wasting time, along with the civil society confront Kibaki directly without mincing words.?Kibaki and Team are the problem here.? Kibaki and PNU are?too greedy?embrace reform,? they will not come to terms at whatever cost or ignit their?senses to reality unless they are given a jump-start and?unless force is administered on them. That is the only way to wake them up.? They have completely buried their head on sand and left their bottom up in the air. ?To continue pleading with them, is like playing instrumental melodious musical guitar to a goat.? ? Kenya is a beautiful Country with Wonderful majority people who painstakingly and with?patient?coexisted peacefully amongst the?42 tribes. Although in the past,?the dictatorship influence of Government control ruled by threats and manipulation, we struggled with casualties in ugly fights every election time with expection?that, through perseverance we will?achieve justified democratic rule of governance.? This time round, we?are fully committed,?that?in order?to acquire unity and peace and restore order we so cherish, and because we care so much for each other as Kenyans so much so that?we cannot?let Kenya fall apart, we will not let go this bullhead thievery behaviour without measure of punishement to those incorrigible thug-like-leaders.? We must stamp out corruption and graft.? We must expose and take head on, all evils?against Kenyans without fear, now?and in the future.? We will?make noise and confront?anything that seem to cause disunity?as well as those?that which is capable to disrupt peace amongst peace loving Kenyans so we can clean the house of leadership from bad elements.? We want to restore the beauty and glamour?of Kenya as a people (wether in Kenya or Abroad), the Kenya we use to enjoy,?the Kenya we want.? We must go to all lengths to improve socio/economic and?beauty of Kenya we all Want.?We must consequently, shape the Political Landscape of Kenya. ?We have been known as a hub for peace in our social coexistance and for what we demonstrated over the years.? We will not let anybody take it away from us, because, God?will continue to be?on our side.? Amen..... ? Thank you, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? ? ? Watch this.............. ? ? Raila claims sabotage in coalition Updated 19 hr(s) 40 min(s) ago Related Stories Cabinet divided one year after signing deal You have failed us, Kibaki, Raila told No one will die of hunger, says Kibaki Waki: MPs push for ?third? option Raila tells off cleric for criticising Government Bill: What went wrong for the Big Guns? By Oscar Obonyo Prime Minister Raila Odinga is livid and the object of his annoyance is President Kibaki whom he accuses of betraying him after signing a power sharing accord 13 months ago. He captured his disappointment with the President in a one-liner: "You have let down the people of this great nation". According to the PM, the situation is worse than most Kenyans can imagine. Prodded by The Standard on Saturday to disclose more, Raila declined stating, "Soon, everything will come to the open." The PM also spoke about the cat-and-mouse games he has been subjected to in the coalition, the decisions that have been made behind his back, and the ridicule he has suffered as his partner in the coalition openly contradicted him. Raila stuck to the tone that saw him this week dismiss the way the Government was being run as ?primitive? and jua kali (unsophisticated) style. Raila spoke to The Standard on Saturday a week after his open falling out with Kibaki at the Kilaguni Serena Safari Lodge, Tsavo. This was where talks of a sub-committee of the Cabinet led by the two principals, collapsed. The two leaders who have not met since flew back empty handed. Likewise, the Grand Coalition Cabinet, which has split along party lines by raging debate on how much executive power President Kibaki let go to Raila, has not met. The leaders have been pursuing their own separate diaries ? away from each other ? even as Kenya?s latest political predicament is sucked into the international radar. Speaking a few days before his first anniversary as the second Prime Minister, Raila regretted that while the President and his Party of National Unity stalwarts were bent on frustrating him and his Orange Democratic Movement?s brigade, the move was hurting the public. Damage control strategy He spoke of deliberate ploy to cripple his ?supervisory? and ?co-ordination? of operation of Government ministries. He this was hindering the coalition from delivering on its promises to wananchi. "These are the issues I wanted to raise in Kilaguni, but the meeting failed to take off. It was then agreed that we embark on damage control strategy, which included, in part, President Kibaki and myself reading a statement jointly to assure Kenyans all was well. I rejected the move, because all is not well," Raila said, emphatically. His latest criticism of Kibaki come barely a day after the President called for restraint and tolerance among politicians in his Easter message. Ever since the Kilaguni talks fell apart, the PM has dropped his traditional disposition since he took office that he had no problem with Kibaki, he was sharing power on a 50-50 ratio, the coalition will hold until 2012, and this is not time for divisive politics. The PM alleged a systematic and well-choreographed strategy to isolate him from Government?s key operations. Pointing at recent visits of Heads of Stateof Iran, Burundi and Turkey, the PM said he was kept in the dark and was never invited for inter-governmental meetings with the visiting presidents. In all instances, he said, he got the information when the leaders had arrived and his office hurriedly organised for "courtesy calls". "Even if I am not needed in the meetings, can?t they ask me to second my staff to at least take notes of the proceedings? How do they keep me out and at the same time expect me to effectively co-ordinate the functions of Government?" he asked. But it is the handling of the murders of Oscar Foundation officials, Oscar Kinga?ra and John Oulu that irked PM most. The two human rights activists were gunned down near the University of Nairobi, triggering protests from students and the civil society. In letter dated March 9, addressed to Internal Security Minister George Saitoti, the PM directed Government immediately engages America?s Federal Bureau Investigation to unravel the mysterious murders. To the PM?s dismay, however, he got a call from US Ambassador Michael Ranneberger informing him that the Kenyan Government had declined offer of FBI help. War against graft A letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated the Government was not interested in help, as it had adequate capacity to handle the cases. "The minister not only snubbed my letter, but instead communicated to his Foreign Affairs colleague, who in turn wrote to the US Embassy. And you can imagine, all these funny games were going on behind my back!" reacts the PM. On war against graft, the PM says he personally recommended suspensions of former Kenya Pipeline Corporation Managing Director George Okungu, following the Triton oil scandal and Achieng? Ong?ong?a of Kenya Tourism Board, for alleged impropriety. However, his words fell on deaf ears when it came to the Kenya Airports Authority Managing Director George Muhoho. Instead, Muhoho, 71, who is linked to the controversial, multi-billion-shilling project by Qatari investors on Jomo Kenyatta International Airport land, was awarded an extended contract. "Have I not exhibited my resolve to deal with graft, irrespective of one?s tribe or political affiliation? So why did everything halt when I touched on Muhoho?" he posed. Muhoho is a former minister, and uncle of Finance Minister Uhuru Kenya. Regarding the raging debate over his salary, the PM said he received a letter of appointment from the President spelling out his salary, job description, and duties. He describes the President?s gesture as "derogatory and disrespectful". "He gave me an appointment letter, same as those handed out to ministers. How can one partner purport to employeethe other and even spell out his roles, which are ? by the way ? in the public domain as they are enshrined in the constitution?" the PM went on. Noting that salaries of senior Government officials, including the President?s, are too high and need "to be slashed considerably". Raila explained his was not a campaign for pay. "This issue is not about the amount but rather the principle. As a partner in the coalition, I will not accept to be remunerated at par with a deputy of my partner. That is demeaning and abusive to members of my side of the coalition," he stated. However, the PM could not be drawn into discussing the Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka?s apparent role in aiding or frustrating the operations of the coalition. "That is the President?s problem. I cannot discuss him because he is the president?s guest in this arrangement," said the PM. Raila also said some ministers from PNU were not co-operating with him. While they initially showed interest in working with him, he claims they "create all sorts of excuses to stay away from my meetings or functions". Presidential functions The PM maintains this is not true about ODM-allied ministers, during presidential functions. But the startling observation on this, revolves around the PM and his deputies. In the same manner the VP welcomes the President at the airport on arrival from a foreign trip or at public functions is the same way Raila anticipates his deputies to relate with him. However, Musalia Mudavadi does, but not Uhuru. "Uhuru and some of his colleagues in PNU have refused to accept the reality that ODM is in Government. That is why he can afford to be contemptuous of his boss (PM)," observes Raila. ? User comments(1) 1. On Friday April 10, 2009, 19:20 PM , John of Anaheim CA, United States wrote: ? If this article is true, then all I can say is that the war has nothing to do with me and other Kenyans but RAW POWER. Some things are even annoying such as who welcomes who at the airport and who should earn what salary. Are these the leaders we expect to lead us to industrialization and development? We are in for a rude shock. ? ? ? Journalist receives death threats ? Updated 21 hr(s) 6 min(s) ago Related Stories Muite threat claim a media stunt, police say Ringera accuses MPs of fuelling graft, laziness Sackings start this week ? PM Students? protests marked by destruction and looting Police killings: Envoy wants Wako, Ali sacked UN official to probe claims of police killings By Standard Reporter The Standard Group management has written to the Police Commissioner over threats to its reporter who declined a bribe and exposed the story of the death of a schoolgirl in Gilgil. Mr Paul Wanyagah, the Group Managing Director, has urged Police Commissioner Hussein Ali to ensure the safety of the reporter Alex Kiprotich. Kiprotich, last month, turned down a bribe to dissuade him from filing the story on the death of a pupil at Gilgil Hill Academy. In a letter dated April 9, which is copied to the Group?s deputy Chairman and Strategy Advisor Paul Melly and other media houses, Wanyagah requests the police boss to investigate the matter. Intimidating messages "The Standard Group would like to bring to your office?s attention that Alex has been receiving several messages intimidating and even threatening his life. "It is our belief that some of these threats are likely to be emanating from criminal elements believed to have links with the police," the letter reads in part. It adds: "As our reporter is now living in fear for his life and not even sure whether to report the same or not to the police, we would be most appreciative if your office urgently attended to this concern and further, to request for an urgent investigation into the matter. We seek a guarantee and assurance of Alex?s safety." On March 15, The Standard on Sunday carried the story of a cry for justice by distraught parents of the girl who died aged 12 in mysterious circumstances last July. Mr Joseph Koech and his wife Rose of Nakuru have for the last eight months sought to know what caused the death of their daughter, Linda Chepkorir at the institution. The proprietor of Gilgil Hills Academy Isaac Kamunya Waithaka was on March 17, charged with trying to corruptly influence the journalist from publishing the article on the death of the pupil. Waithaka, who was arrested by Kacc officers, has denied three counts of corruption and economic crimes. The case is before a Nakuru court. ? Obama says he is watching Kenya keenly ? Updated 20 hr(s) 14 min(s) ago Related Stories Clergy step up pressure on Coalition ?Kibaki calls ministers for urgent talks Bill: What went wrong for the Big Guns? By James Ratemo US President Barack Obama has raised the profile of calls on President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to resolve the political impasse. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, also said he was concerned with the status of corruption and wrangling in the Government. US envoy Michael Ranneberger(right) and German counterpart Walter Lindner at a press conference , on Friday. Photo: Boniface Okendo/ Standard."US has a strong interest in the political stability of Kenya?Kenya is too important to fail. It is not me saying this, this is shared by the highest level of my Government," said America?s ambassador to Kenya, Michael Rannerberger, who delivered the message. Outgoing German Ambassador Walter Lindner called for toning down of emotions among politicians, saying the European Union was also concerned about Kenya?s unstable coalition. "Leaders should tone down their language to avoid premature polarisation. Current reactions and counter reactions will be like a snowball that can ignite a campaign mode," warned the envoy. The diplomats dismissed early elections as an alternative and said the campaign mode already engulfing the country was unnecessary. "Elections will be the worst alternative to embrace. I appeal to the political class to tone down (their) language, stop an early campaign, roll up sleeves and go back to work," said Lindner. "If you start election campaign mode nothing moves. We are three-and-half-years to elections but already politicians have started. All leaders should address reform issues," he added. Ranneberger said political bickering had distracted the country from the reform agenda, a scenario not taken lightly by Washington. "If the country cannot move ahead, Kenya?s democracy will be at stake. Both sides (ODM and PNU) share equal responsibility of the problems in the grand coalition?Secretary of state, Hillary Clinton is closely following what is happening in Kenya," he added. "Having an election prematurely is recipe to turn the country into chaos. This is not the time to talk about elections?very soon I will be seeing both the PM and President to relay the concern Washington has for the Kenyan situation," he said. The two envoys jointly addressed journalists at German ambassador?s residence, barely a week after the falling out between President Kibaki and Raila during the aborted talks of a sub-committee of the Cabinet at Serena Safari Lodge, Kilaguni. The two had led their Cabinet members for the retreat that never was. It was aimed at silencing dissent in Cabinet and sorting out the problems facing the coalition. ?Primitive? and ?Jua kali? The meeting aborted after both the President?s Party of National Unity and Raila?s Orange Democratic Movement could not agree on the agenda. Raila?s side wanted implementation of national accord be revisited , including the 50-50 per cent power sharing deal, because his team felt it was being taken for granted, while Kibaki?s side argued this was a bridge the country crossed long ago. Days later, Raila accused Kibaki of letting junior officers humiliate him by contradicting him in public. He then dismissed Kibaki?s mode of governance as ?primitive? and Jua kali (archaic) style. The coalition was in the next week jolted by the resignation from the Cabinet by one of Kibaki?s hitherto staunchest allies ? Justice Minister Martha Karua ? who has vowed her name will be on the presidential ballot papers in 2012 General Election. Speaking for the first time since the resignation of Karua, President Kibaki on Thursday called on politicians to mind their language and redirect their energies to reforms and development. The National Council of Churches of Kenya and the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims have publicly called for fresh elections if the coalition fails to pull together. However, following the disbandment of the discredited Electoral Commission, and the onset of Interim Independent Electoral Commission, whose chair is yet to be approved by Parliament , the country may not go to polls soon because there would be no presiding body. Lindner, whose country is also led by a fractious but relatively more efficient grand coalition, pleaded with Kenyans not to rush for another election, arguing it was normal for a coalition to shake. He added it there is no problem Kibaki and Raila cannot solve if they have the will. "In Germany we have a coalition government committee burning the midnight oil to iron out issues. If they fail they bring it to leaders. I do not see anything unsolvable. The politicians only need will to solve," he advised. A recent survey in Germany by The Standard revealed despite the country going to elections in September, no public campaigns have started ,unlike in Kenya already doing it when the exercise is still far away. Call to mend relationship In Germany, campaigns start three months to the election. This gives leaders ample time to focus on development agenda. On Karua, Lindner said such a scenario was normal in a coalition but called for a competent replacement. "Of course nobody is irreplaceable. This is not outside democracy. She was good. We worked together. I would rather she continued. In the replacement we need an equally reform-oriented person," he said. Ranneberger added: "We need honest and constructive debate on issues in contention. They (Kibaki and Raila) have done it before. They can do it again. They started with an excellent relationship, they need to recapture that spirit." ? --- On Thu, 4/9/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Fw: Re: Vs: My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite To: "Judy Miriga" Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:34 AM --- On Thu, 4/9/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Re: Vs: My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite To: "Paul Nyandoto" , "jaluo" , "Rt Hon Raila Odinga" Cc: ombare at abo.fi, wojwang at alcatel-lucent.com, Dhiamby at aol.com, P.OKOTH at cgiar.org, otoche at gmail.com, patrickobiero at gmail.com, "dickens odhiambo" , otienoskaper at googlemail.com, owahil at hetnet.nl, okelpat at hotmail.com, omondigyoung at hotmail.com, tonyobila at hotmail.com, voduor at hotmail.com, okoko.g at ke.celtel.com, pa at kisumurural.org, hellen.ooko at missioneco.org, owino.opondo at nation.co.ke, bokoth at nationalbank.co.ke, ookolloh at post.harvard.edu, samokello at sahelpublishing.net, ongwen at sodnet.or.ke, otienoyogo at swiftkisumu.com, okwach at todays.co.ke, "Patrick Ochieng" , okelloo at un.org, oluochb at un.org, opiyo2 at un.org, otienoj at un.org, onyango at welho.com, dailynewsarusha at yahoo.co.uk, "Fredrick Odhiambo" , vongore at yahoo.co.uk, williamodr at yahoo.co.uk, Julius Okelo juliusokelo at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:28 AM Friends, Country men, To be a player, you must put your eye on the ball. Let us put our eye on the ball and fix this thing once and for all. The time is now and yes, we can do it. If we put our eyes off the ball, we will miss our targets and we will be unable to score, for we shall have left the tempo of the game. What I am saying is this; we must demand the full implementation of the National Accord that made Raila and Kibaki share this government at 50/50. FULLSTOP. Raila made the initial mistake of closing the doors after going in the house, in the process leaving all his lieutenants outside. That is history now. He has learnt his lessons. He MUST now move in with all his lieutenants into 50/50 arrangement with PNU. The world is behind him; 1] Koffi Annan recently pointed fingers at Kibaki as the problem; 2] President Obama pointed fingers at Kibaki as the problem; 3] Raila fell out with Kibaki at Kilanguni because Kibaki is the problem; 4] Martha Karua walked out on Kibaki because Kibaki is the problem; 5] Danson Mungatana walked out on Kibaki because Kibaki is the problem; 6] And all Kenyans now know that Kibaki has been the problem all along. Let us not talk about so many things. Let us focus on the full implementation of the National Accord. We are not in this government by invitation. We MUST take what was given to us by Kenyans in the last General Elections. To this end, Raila must demand the following; a] 50% of the Parmanent Secretaries; b] 50% of the Provincial Commissioners c] 50% of the District Commissioners and Division Officers d] 50% of Ambassadorial postings e] 50% of MDs at State Corporations He must also demand fair share and distribution of all command postings in the military and the police. The cuurent scenario where all commanders and officers are coming from one village must be halted and remedial postings made with his approval as well. Then, Kenya will be peaceful. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Paul Nyandoto wrote: From: Paul Nyandoto Subject: Vs: My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite To: ombare at abo.fi, wojwang at alcatel-lucent.com, Dhiamby at aol.com, P.OKOTH at cgiar.org, otoche at gmail.com, patrickobiero at gmail.com, "dickens odhiambo" , otienoskaper at googlemail.com, owahil at hetnet.nl, okelpat at hotmail.com, omondigyoung at hotmail.com, tonyobila at hotmail.com, voduor at hotmail.com, okoko.g at ke.celtel.com, pa at kisumurural.org, hellen.ooko at missioneco.org, owino.opondo at nation.co.ke, bokoth at nationalbank.co.ke, ookolloh at post.harvard.edu, samokello at sahelpublishing.net, ongwen at sodnet.or.ke, otienoyogo at swiftkisumu.com, okwach at todays.co.ke, "Patrick Ochieng" , okelloo at un.org, oluochb at un.org, opiyo2 at un.org, otienoj at un.org, onyango at welho.com, dailynewsarusha at yahoo.co.uk, "Fredrick Odhiambo" , vongore at yahoo.co.uk, williamodr at yahoo.co.uk, Julius Okelo juliusokelo at yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 11:02 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Guys, What I know in life is this: If you fail to teach someone who could benefit from the lesson, you waste a person. If you attempt to teach someone who cannot benefit from the lesson, you waste your time. A wise person wastes neither people nor time. Among the two characters I have described above where do you put this present Kenyan president, called KIBAKI?. I think Kenyans are wasting a lot of time with this Kibaki, so my next question is this: do Kenyans really know that time is very precious and an important factor in life?. Guys: we do have time factor here,? is it of a concern?,? or Kenyans do not care anymore about how much time is being wasted with this Kibaki type of leader?. I wish Kenya was a European country, things would have been changed longtime ago. But Kenya is a country where almost everybody including the middle class wants sit down and let someone else do it for us or for me type of characters, then the rest come and enjoy. Mass changes and demonstrations which have made Europe what it is today are not there in Kenya even when people are dying from corruption, hunger, diseases etc. If? Kenyans keep on living this PASSIVE type of life? Kibaki`s madness will? continue, I think even after 2012 election Kenyans will be still live? like today crying about so and so giving jobs to retarded friends or only? relatives, creating more districts, MPs not paying taxes, stealing Kenyan money, selling land to arabs etc. Kibaki will go in 2012 may be,? BUT will be replaced by another same Kibaki type. Do not forget that Moi went but KIbaki is back and even worse than Moi. So in 2012 Kenyans might just change the president`s name but not change what people need. In short, KENYA IS A COUNTRY WHICH CAN BENEFIT NOW FROM MASS DEMONSTRATION AND MASS ACTION. Just forget about these present politicians for a moment, the clever politicians will join the demonstration, the stupid ones will not until UN takes over. These politicians are living in a symbiosis life with each other. Some can not live without others, they are interdependent.? It is a more complex situation on both sides even in PNU or ODM. So think for yourself what is good for Kenya. Neither ODM nor PNU is made of saints. Paul Nyandoto >>> 04/08/09 6:06? >>> Folks, Kibaki and Mt. Mafia Cohort and Cartels are very very very disparate. Threat like this one cannot be tolerated. Kofi Annan and the United Nations with world leaders must not let this kind of situation as in Kenya to go on.? Something must be done and done extremely fast without wasting more time.? We have seen events of times and warnings of worse situation going to the extreme with worse casualties that need to be stopped immediately.? Kibaki's group will not bulge, they do not learn, they are unwilling to cooperate, they are instigators, they are sturbborn and stiff necked, they have fixed minds and are uncooperative, they dont want change, they do not respect the signed peace accord which provided for the Coalition Government existance and have intent to continually frustrate PM Raila in the 50/50 signed sharing of the Government so he should quit the Coalition Agreement.? They prefer using iron fist and scuttled Civil Society to have their way while silencing good people of Kenya who are demanding for change which is their right to living a honorable life. Kenya is a hub of African survival.? We will not let go situation like those of Rwanda genocide to take toll order in Kenya or even let finalization of cases to take long at the Hague as it has been seen in Rwanda, Congo, Uganda, Sudan and conflicts such like is seen in Uganda, because it has destroyed element of hope that connects genuine livelihood as is purported by God for mankind.? These are the reasons why World leaders together with US President Obama needs to step in at this juncture.? We will have no rest until and unless they put aside all other issues to jointly con solidate efforts to safeguard and prioritize situation in Kenya bringing United Nations Missions together to discuss in a concerted effort to finding resolution in Kenya. Kenya being the known hub of African cannot be left behind in a structural new world order of development partnership and networking from economic world crisis reorganization.? I attach news notes for reference hereunder of civil war destruction in Rwanda, Congo Uganda and Southern Sudan........... I appeal therefore, that we call upon Kofi Annan and other eminent leaders to include Kenyan Party Leaders, Civil Societies, Individual Consultants and other Human Rights representatives with some Legal professionals to a special meeting in Washington DC as soon as is necessary to stragegize way forward for Kenya.??? For healing to take place in Kenya, culprits of those who pre-planned genocide (facts are available) and who triggered conflicts by theaving of election in Kibaki's camp with those who in the same camp have become continually unremorseful and stubborn and who in refusal to resolving peace accord structure #4 in providing the much needed change desired by Kenyans are commiting plunder of National Assets and by causing serious socio/economic crimes against humanity, be arraigned to Hague faster than previously planned, so to give Kenya a breathing space and a chance to heal.? This is the only way it will serve as a measure for people of such greed influence to tore the line and never again treat human beings without respect like animals without value.? Human beings rich or poor need to be valued, respected with dignity and virtue.? There must be therefore a demonstrated committment and responsibilities in association between leadership management of public properties and assets in the government in a transparent and in accountability manner on behalf of electorates, since elected leaders are the custodians of public properties and interest.? Under discipline and order when restored, we are able to create structural environment for sustainable investments to benefit all Citizens and is able to creat jobs with good social environment full of hope for the future. Security, Law and Order will be a requirement respected and provided to all. By copy of this email, I forward heart felt promt request to US President Obama to intervene and allow Foreign US Secretary Hillary Clinton to pursue coordination of this request in a speedy manner so to arrest down trend of failing conditions and a repeat of situation like those of Rwanda, Congo, Uganda and endless conflicts of Southern Sudan, which have destroyed fabric of livelihood in those parts of Africa. I hope to hear from aforesaid above and will make follow-up for the same. Sincerely, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com News My life is in danger, claims Muite Former Kabete MP Paul Muite in a pensive mood as his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara addresses the press on Wednesday. The former MP said his life was in danger. Photo/HEZRON NJOROGE??? By JOHN NGIRACHUPosted Wednesday, April 8 2009 at 14:42 In Summary Muite says he has written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life. Former Kabete MP Paul Muite has said his life is in danger adding that a police squad has instructions to kill him. He said the instructions said to have been given to the dreaded Kwekwe squad to kill him might stem from recent statements he made over the composition of the President?s family and the 2005 raid on the Standard Group offices. "It is possible that the last straw might well have come from the latest spat with His Excellency the President over the criminal raid on KTN and the Standard and with his then minister for Internal Security John Michuki," said Mr Muite at a press conference at the Stanley Hotel. Mr Muite also attributed the death th reat to recent strong statements he made about the government?s role in extrajudicial killings at the funerals of Oscar King?ara and Paul Oulu, two human rights activists killed in Nairobi last month. He has now written to International Criminal Court prosecutor Louis Moreno-Ocampo over the threat on his life and asked him to open investigations into extrajudicial killings in Kenya. Mr Muite, who is also a senior counsel, said he had on Sunday received 'specific information from credible sources? that members of the Kwekwe squad had been given instructions to kill him. The police have consistently denied the existence of the squad that was formed to deal with the outlawed Mungiki sect but Mr Muite said it is still operational and has 14 members, whose names he has. He has not reported the information to the police and said 'it would be an insult? to do so and feared that the police could find out who his informers are. ?It is pointless to report to the police. They are the suspects who should be involved. To report to them will only give them the opportunity to probe where the leak might have occurred so they can deal with the traitor,? he said. The President?s family is yet to sue him despite making a threat to do so on March 16. Mr Michuki has also written to Mr Muite to demand an apology but the lawyer said he had written back and said Mr Michuki can proceed to court. On March 3, President Kibaki called a press conference at State House to clarify that he has only one wife. ?I have gotten in this foul mood after listening to some statements that were made... I want to state that anyone who is bent on that course will see me in court or wherever he will see me. There is no other way,? said the president. Mr Muite said the president?s last statement amounted to a coded threat and said it could have led to the instructions to the police. He was accompanied by his lawyer Gitobu Imanyara, human rights activist Ndung?u Wainaina, Sam Mohochi of the Independent Medico-Legal Unit and members of the Bunge la Mwananchi, a lobby group. Mr Imanyara said he has information from senior police officers, among them a senior superintendent, whose lives have been threatened for refusing to join death squads said to be still operational. He said President Kibaki should explain why senior officers who had been implicated in killings are still working while some have had their tenures renewed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 13:13:50 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers In-Reply-To: <833525.93900.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423963.31432.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Waweru, ? As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform agenda.? There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be overlooked and which canned be used at the next election because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.? ? The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim Government?to do the same before the next election.? This is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. ? Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take place.? Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and is not following the rule.? There is common observation that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving out of the rail.? This is where the problem lies and we must start from where the problem is. ? Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is locked in?the coalition government - both must respect the 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from there. ?Now who of the two do we take to task.? Who is not behaving well for us to move to the next?step?? We are stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that they?are completely defeated, they we?move to plan B which is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the mission which have defeated them. ? So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it is our duty to face him?directly and squarely to make this coalition work. ? How about that?? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru wrote: From: nimmos waweru Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM @Judy Miriga Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in this coalition government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain power at expense of poor Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver hell.Raila is selfish hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's power,to a point such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM counter parts .When he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet meaning for a while and forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only intrested to seek for himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone who is intrested with Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki is supposed to sack and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can he do that when Wako is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in the same government he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be overhaulled..Ruto,for maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti should be in jail for goldenburg scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing scandal...Ndungu land commission should be implemented as to return all stolen government land to people.... As we speak the international world want to assists and return all stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the question is where is the government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we have the witness arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya government in prosecution but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila pinpoint those issues instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he should understand that that is where his full popularity will come from among all Kenyans if he is willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be supported by all Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the Kenyans unite and realise they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the voting power to throw this people out of gorvenment in future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry hyenas,Kenyans politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development of the country. --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > ? > Folks, > ? > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could > have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > coalition government by those who stole election at gun > point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya > Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with cartels took > complete control of Government machinery.? In truth Raila > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a > float,?although they faults here and there, the storm?at > sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they steer > awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace and > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM compared > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the > Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for > your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the > signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like chameleons?? > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are > feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we will > not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change > without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. > ? > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya > Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... > ? > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together > with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling a > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > ? > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given > Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in > and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a second > chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could have > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? But > now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? Raila ana > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ > ? > What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone > through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? > ? > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and > businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of who > joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and finish > President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing the > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it and stop > pretending.? You are haters........ You all need reform > from within.........REPENT your sins.................stop > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs here and > there trying to be saints........you can sing like Angels, > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya will > pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? But > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history for?generation > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri........Mungu > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > ? > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki > is the King..........you like it or not........we will not > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way > it gets him nuts........ > ? > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven......... > ? > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? > ? > Thanks, > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > With people like you,? Replicating the events of the last > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other > on tribal bases. > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about?our > brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both > academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you > and me interpret National and political issue in order to > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and > me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution..... > am so sorry. > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > wrote: > > From: martin njalale > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. > Lets look at who has done or said what. > ? > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > of?????????????????????????? u > from central keep quite. > ? > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > ? > ? > Airport....................Same > ? > ? > Tribal Bonding..........same > ? > ? > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the same > scenario if it was populated > by???????????????????????????? > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be > there > ? > ? > I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never had a > lot of support but unless the central click change their > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > history will repeat itself. > ? > So stop cheating ur self > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > wrote: > > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > To: "young" > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes > even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > created through the strong support of the International > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good > governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa'ngs in > his team. > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The > international community should now apply the same measure of > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give > Kenya a new Constitution... > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real > fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya > will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in which > prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to > the Arab world. > > > > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joragem at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 22:57:40 2009 From: joragem at gmail.com (Joram Ragem) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:57:40 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] A government that is removed by civilians, is actually stronger than it's military. Message-ID: Dear Kenyans, We saw with our own eyes as chaos and meyhem visited our country after the last flawed general elections. All of us were tired, fed up and scared of what more harm further gridlock would cause. Indeed, even Raila could not tolerate the sight of the death he witnessed at the mortuaries and all about. He compromised, and as any outsmarted politician would do, he settled for something he did not seek in the first place. Indeed, Raila might have been contended with the role of PM even if his authority was 20 vis a vis Kibaki's 70 out of 100, provided there was genuine progress towards reforms. Why is this true? I am certain Raila and almost everyone believes that he will contest again for Kenya's highest office, while Kibaki has term limits. Kibaki however, had no intention whatsoever, not only to share power, but to institute meaningful reforms. Why? Because power corrupts absolutely. And so here we are again. Raila has realized he has been outsmarted, again. But alas, a lot has changed since 2007, yet nothing has changed fundamentally or permanently. Wanjiku if poorer, hungrier, more worried about today, not just tomorrow and less secure for herself and her children. Kenyans, we have talked in circles and it appears events are being repeated because we let it, and then we say history is reappering or repeating. There is a very big vaccum that is left behind when there is yearning, disappointment, hunger, or betrayal, and those yearning, disappointed, hungry or betrayed fill this void or *sifuri* based on our capacity. Those who cause this to happen inherently believe they were made to execute this role. But what the oppressed are unable to see or realize is the biggest sin of commission: That the oppressed can actually rise beyond their capacity and not only fill the vaccum or *sifuri,* but occupy the space around it as well. I say, a government that is removed by civilians, is actually stronger than it's military. How? Is this because the civilian is the weakest link in a nation? *Je ni nini siri ya sifuri? Ni bwana O.* We are ready to follow you wherever you lead us. Just ask us. -- Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi Sat Apr 11 12:26:22 2009 From: paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi (Paul Nyandoto) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:26:22 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Lake Victoria and the President of Kenya In-Reply-To: <243576.43623.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <243576.43623.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E0EEDE0200004F0001C95C@mail.phks.fi> Hei Kamua et. all Kamau, thanks for reminding us of the great lake and one of the world largest fresh water lake which is just being wasted and will soon turn into a bushland. But my question is this: HAVE LUO Nyanza MPs or ministers or politicians invited president Kibaki to luo Nyanza and he Kibaki have refused to go?. If so then tell us when was this?. Though Kibaki is the president of the whole republic and he seems to have a calender of touring the country, why haven`t Francis Mutharua or Mutua made him a calender to visist luo Nyanza?. If the calender does not include luo Nyanza why are luo nyanza politicians silent on this?. Rhetoric and blaming games of politicians have been a game in Kenyan politics for 46 years and it seems that a lot of luo Nyanza politicians do gain from it alot at the expenses of their subjects. I have seen luo Nyanza sinking down immediately after the death of Tom Mboya and even when Moi became the president luo Nyanza never rose to its potential and now luo Nyanza is pathetic in almost all parameters. I do cry for the luo elites, it seems we are sleeping and it is better we luos admit this and call Obama to help us uplift luo Nyanza again to its previous glory. Paul Nyandoto >>> otina kennedy odhiambo 04/11/09 11:53 >>> Kamau, I like the courage with which you wrote this article. I am still crying and will react to it in details latter. K --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: Lake Victoria and the President of Kenya To: "dick aduonga" , "africa-oped" , africa.journal at reuters.com, africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, afrocentrikworld at yahoogroups.com, akipkemboi at eastandard.net, annah_sidigu at yahoo.com, "bbc" , "BBC" , "bidii" , bob_arunga at yahoo.com, "ccr" , "cnn" , editor at nation.co.ke, editors at newsweek.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , grono007 at yahoo.com, "Hon Ababu Namwamba" , "David Ndolo" , "Dave Ndolo" , "David ochwangi" , "Elly Omondi Odhiambo" , "bobby okoth" , "Catherine Omondi" , "apostle petros" , "Robert Alai" , "Tavia Nyongo" , "symo ochola" , "sam Odera" , "sam odera" , "Raila Odinga" , "Raila Odinga" , "Raila Odinga" , "Rose Oloo" , "Sebastian Onyango" , paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi, publiceyet at aol.com, "Send an Instant Message TINA SALEH" , samokello at sahelpublishing.net, sellineoketch at yahoo.com, "Philister Sidigu" , "White House U.S.A." , "ugandacom" , "youthagenda" Cc: "jaluo" , jop3upc at aol.com, "Jairus K'Onyiego" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, "ketta" , "kol" , letters at eastandard.net, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, mailbox at nation.co.ke, "Judy Miriga" , mugi1_2000 at yahoo.com, "mulembe" , "mwananchi" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, news at ktnkenya.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Kamau J Njuguna" , "Paul Nyandoto" , "Hon Prof Anyang' Nyong'o" , "martin o" , "Oketch Odhiambo" , ojwangf at yahoo.com, "othieno_n" , "panafricanist" , "Lameck Siage" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 4:29 AM The bush that I saw in some photos on the net recently used to be Lake Victoria once upon a time. During those days, we used to have a lot of fishing activities in this area, the youth used to operate boat rides, the families used to come and enjoy the scenic view of the Lake . During those days, the Lake used to provide many people with economic activities. This meant that incidences of crime were low and food was readily available to the families. Now, the Lake is clogged. The people cannot fish, the families cannot take a boat ride, the boat operators have been chased out of the water, and incidences of crime and prostitution are on the increase because the people who were so engaged in gainful economic activities, have nothing but crime and prostitution to turn to. At the end of the day, they must put bread on the family table, whatever it takes. And the area MPs are silent! The Lake provides the President of the Independent* Republic of Kenya an opportunity to show his people leadership. Even if the President has avoided some parts of Nyanza as the plague, just like he has avoided the issue of Migingo Islands that Ugandans have effectively taken, the people around the Lake are still Kenyans. And they need the support of their government to remove these things from the Lake . Here is where Kazi Kwa Vijana should come in. The people around the Lake would not mind being so employed to manually harvest this thing from the Lake and use it as fertilizer in their farms. Here is where the government must show commitment into service delivery. A people who have been dispossessed of their Lake by the water hyacinth can only turn to their government for solace and intervention. Kisumu sits on the Lake yet it has no clean drinking water! And the President is not bothered. It is like these people are not Kenyans. And the area MPs are silent! It is instructive to note that President Kibaki, despite being Raila Odinga?s partner in government, has refused to visit the whole of Nyanza. He has been to Kisii 6 times in 6 years. In that period of time, he has avoided the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo. And it speaks volumes. During those visits, he has increased the number of Districts in that region to 13 vis-?-vis 11 constituencies. In that time, he has created a total of 209 Districts in Kenya vis-?-vis 210 constituencies. I do not know whether this is economical, but the consolation is that our President is a graduate of Economics from Makerere University , even if his economics were pre-colonial economics. It is also instructive to note that Kenya Breweries pulled out of Kisumu, Kicomi collapsed, Sugar Industries are collapsing, Ahero Rice Irrigation is dead, Kisumu has no piped water, no industries are in Kisumu save for the Molasses that is associated with the Odinga family, and now, the Lake is dying.. And we have a President who refuses to visit this part of Kenya . It is like he is not the President of the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo.And the area MPs are silent! As this is happening, the President?s visit to Kisii, Western Province and to Rift Valley Province is sending clear signals to the Luo that the President is on an open vendetta against them. Migingo Island is invaded by Museveni and the president is silent. Could it be true that Museveni sent in troops to help Kibaki in early 2007? Or why does the President seem to hate the Luo with such open passion? Recently some 4 Kenyans went to Bulla Hawa in the part of Somali that has no government. They were quickly arrested by some rag-tag militia for trespassing. It took the intervention of the provincial administration to negotiate their release. In Kenya , Museveni invades and our police fold arms and run away. The Army which is to protect our territorial space is behaving as if they do not exist. They wish they were invisible. Does it strike you that a rag-tag army can defend their territorial space such swiftly, while a country that has not failed fails to protect her people? Does it strike anybody that the president created 24 Districts early this year, 15 of which are in Central Province ? Does it strike anybody that the President is busy creating Districts across Kenya except in the Nyanza of the Luo people? Does it strike you that Kisii District now has more Districts than it has constituencies? What is this madness with creation of Districts? A toad does not jump in broad day light. There must be a reason Kibaki is creating new districts, and it has all to do with Raila Odinga and the Presidency in 2012. Kibaki is on a mission to ensure Raila does not get to be President of Kenya . And for that matter, nobody else apart from one of his own. What is the President?s game plan against the Luo? Is the Prime Minister seeing all this? Does the president view the Luo as Kenyans as well? I am asking these questions with a very clear mind. Kenyans are on a mission to share, heal and reconcile with each other. The President is not showing any signs that he wants to reconcile with the Luo. It is like he wants to suffocate the Luo out of existence. His action and thought process can be seen in the eyes of Uhuru Kenyatta, in how George Thuo talks, in how Simon Mbugua talks, and in the honesty of John Michuki. If I read the signs clearly, then we are wasting our times trying to reconcile the country. The President seems to have a set mind against the Luo of Kenya, and this is chilling. The moves by the President are the kind of things that do not help in national healing and reconciliation. It is my humble opinion that the President of a country must not show such open disdain against his subjects the way Kibaki is showing to the Luo of Nyanza. It is my humble opinion that the President must be at the forefront in creating harmony, national healing and reconciliation. It is further my humble opinion that the President must not play games that are aimed at alienating the Luo from their immediate neighbours, the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjin. It is hence not surprising that Kicomi closed down, Kenya Breweries closed down, the sugar industries are struggling, Ahero Irrigation Scheme is dead, the lake is clogged and Migingo Island is gone, and the President is not concerned. To him, the Luo deserve all that. He is not bothered, yet, this is also part of Kenya . I am annoyed with the president for fomenting hatred instead of creating unity. It is like he is setting the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjins against the Luo. Just like he has set Kenyans against the Kikuyu. More so, he is doing nothing to unite the Kikuyu and the Luo. It is only Raila who is struggling to preach peace even in Central Province . And the Prime Minister seems not to be seeing this. It reminds me of early 2007 when the police were sent to kill the Luo in Kisumu, Kibera and in Mathare. It was a killing that was premeditated and pre-planned. Instead of the President leading us in a healing process, he is playing games with our psyche. This is not acceptable. He is then positioning Uhuru, the man who planned the naivasha massacre, to succeed him. This must be madness> The President must love the whole country. And he must be fair to the whole country. If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya , I would not wait to be urged into action. I would engage the people in a daily process of harvesting the water hyacinth manually immediately from Lake Victoria . If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya , I would urge Kenya Breweries to immediately go back to Kisumu. If I were the President of Independent Republic of Kenya , I would order the Army to move and secure all the Kenyan boarders with immediate effect. The lack of interest over the issue of Migingo Island from the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kenya speaks volume by itself. I would ev en borrow a leaf from what the Somali war load did when some Kenyans strayed into his territory; he had them arrested very swiftly. No negotiations. No begging missions. Or it is a thank you token to Yoweri Museveni. Happy Easter. Kamau J Njuguna *Independent is highlighted because it is what we are supposed to be. Reality shows we are not. The Somali war load proved me right. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ YOU ARE IN BIDII AFRIKA GROUP To Advertise HERE, Send Ksh 1,000 to 0726 034 530 through Mpesa. No advert will be published without payment. Reach over 24,000 direct users / members. 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Honestly, can this boy lead Kenya? What with that hatred he habours against the Luo? Can Uhuru unite Kenyans? Let us all love Kenya and seek permanent peace. Let all Kenyans unite behind Raila Odinga. He won the last elections and we all owe him one. Kamau J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kamaujnjuguna at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 04:37:02 2009 From: kamaujnjuguna at yahoo.com (Kamau J Njuguna) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Lake Victoria and the President of Kenya Message-ID: <448440.5935.qm@web110007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The bush that I saw in some photos on the net recently used to be Lake Victoria once upon a time. During those days, we used to have a lot of fishing activities in this area, the youth used to operate boat rides, the families used to come and enjoy the scenic view of the Lake. During those days, the Lake used to provide many people with economic activities. This meant that incidences of crime were low and food was readily available to the families. Now, the Lake is clogged. The people cannot fish, the families cannot take a boat ride, the boat operators have been chased out of the water, and incidences of crime and prostitution are on the increase because the people who were so engaged in gainful economic activities, have nothing but crime and prostitution to turn to. At the end of the day, they must put bread on the family table, whatever it takes. And the area MPs are silent! The Lake provides the President of the Independent* Republic of Kenya an opportunity to show his people leadership. Even if the President has avoided some parts of Nyanza as the plague, just like he has avoided the issue of Migingo Islands that Ugandans have effectively taken, the people around the Lake are still Kenyans. And they need the support of their government to remove these things from the Lake. Here is where Kazi Kwa Vijana should come in. The people around the Lake would not mind being so employed to manually harvest this thing from the Lake and use it as fertilizer in their farms. Here is where the government must show commitment into service delivery. A people who have been dispossessed of their Lake by the water hyacinth can only turn to their government for solace and intervention. Kisumu sits on the Lake yet it has no clean drinking water! And the President is not bothered. It is like these people are not Kenyans. And the area MPs are silent! It is instructive to note that President Kibaki, despite being Raila Odinga?s partner in government, has refused to visit the whole of Nyanza. He has been to Kisii 6 times in 6 years. In that period of time, he has avoided the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo. And it speaks volumes. During those visits, he has increased the number of Districts in that region to 13 vis-?-vis 11 constituencies. In that time, he has created a total of 209 Districts in Kenya vis-?-vis 210 constituencies. I do not know whether this is economical, but the consolation is that our President is a graduate of Economics from Makerere University, even if his economics were pre-colonial economics. It is also instructive to note that Kenya Breweries pulled out of Kisumu, Kicomi collapsed, Sugar Industries are collapsing, Ahero Rice Irrigation is dead, Kisumu has no piped water, no industries are in Kisumu ?save for the Molasses that is associated with the Odinga family, and now, the Lake is dying. And we have a President who refuses to visit this part of Kenya. It is like he is not the President of the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo.And the area MPs are silent! As this is happening, the President?s visit to Kisii, Western Province and to Rift Valley Province is sending clear signals to the Luo that the President is on an open vendetta against them. Migingo Island is invaded by Museveni and the president is silent. Could it be true that Museveni sent in troops to help Kibaki in early 2007? Or why does the President seem to hate the Luo with such open passion? Recently some 4 Kenyans went to Bulla Hawa in the part of Somali that has no government. They were quickly arrested by some rag-tag militia for trespassing. It took the intervention of the provincial administration to negotiate their release. In Kenya, Museveni invades and our police fold arms and run away. The Army which is to protect our territorial space is behaving as if they do not exist. They wish they were invisible. Does it strike you that a rag-tag army can defend their territorial space such swiftly, while a country that has not failed fails to protect her people? Does it strike anybody that the president created 24 Districts early this year, 15 of which are in Central Province? Does it strike anybody that the President is busy creating Districts across Kenya except in the Nyanza of the Luo people? Does it strike you that Kisii District now has more Districts than it has constituencies? What is this madness with creation of Districts? A toad does not jump in broad day light. There must be a reason Kibaki is creating new districts, and it has all to do with Raila Odinga and the Presidency in 2012. Kibaki is on a mission to ensure Raila does not get to be President of Kenya. And for that matter, nobody else apart from one of his own. What is the President?s game plan against the Luo? Is the Prime Minister seeing all this? Does the president view the Luo as Kenyans as well? I am asking these questions with a very clear mind. Kenyans are on a mission to share, heal and reconcile with each other. The President is not showing any signs that he wants to reconcile with the Luo. It is like he wants to suffocate the Luo out of existence. His action and thought process can be seen in the eyes of Uhuru Kenyatta, in how George Thuo talks, in how Simon Mbugua talks, and in the honesty of John Michuki. If I read the signs clearly, then we are wasting our times trying to reconcile the country. The President seems to have a set mind against the Luo of Kenya, and this is chilling. The moves by the President are the kind of things that do not help in national healing and reconciliation. It is my humble opinion that the President of a country must not show such open disdain against his subjects the way Kibaki is showing to the Luo of Nyanza. It is my humble opinion that the President must be at the forefront in creating harmony, national healing and reconciliation. It is further my humble opinion that the President must not play games that are aimed at alienating the Luo from their immediate neighbours, the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjin. It is hence not surprising that Kicomi closed down, Kenya Breweries closed down, the sugar industries are struggling, Ahero Irrigation Scheme is dead, the lake is clogged and Migingo Island is gone, and the President is not concerned. To him, the Luo deserve all that. He is not bothered, yet, this is also part of Kenya. I am annoyed with the president for fomenting hatred instead of creating unity. It is like he is setting the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjins against the Luo. Just like he has set Kenyans against the Kikuyu. More so, he is doing nothing to unite the Kikuyu and the Luo. It is only Raila who is struggling to preach peace even in Central Province. And the Prime Minister seems not to be seeing this. It reminds me of early 2007 when the police were sent to kill the Luo in Kisumu, Kibera and in Mathare. It was a killing that was premeditated and pre-planned. Instead of the President leading us in a healing process, he is playing games with our psyche. This is not acceptable. He is then positioning Uhuru, the man who planned the naivasha massacre, to succeed him. This must be madness> The President must love the whole country. And he must be fair to the whole country. If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya, I would not wait to be urged into action. I would engage the people in a daily process of harvesting the water hyacinth manually immediately from Lake Victoria. If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya, I would urge Kenya Breweries to immediately go back to Kisumu. If I were the President of Independent Republic of Kenya, I would order the Army to move and secure all the Kenyan boarders with immediate effect. The lack of interest over the issue of Migingo Island from the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kenya speaks volume by itself. I would even borrow a leaf from what the Somali war load did when some Kenyans strayed into his territory; he had them arrested very swiftly. No negotiations. No begging missions. Or it is a thank you token to Yoweri Museveni. Happy Easter. ?Kamau J Njuguna? *Independent is highlighted because it is what we are supposed to be. Reality shows we are not. The Somali war load proved me right. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 05:22:36 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kenya Club Lake Victoria and the President of Kenya Message-ID: <901515.91961.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> These are the pictures. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: Kenya Club Lake Victoria and the President of Kenya To: "jaluo" , jop3upc at aol.com, "Jairus K'Onyiego" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, "ketta" , "kol" , letters at eastandard.net, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, mailbox at nation.co.ke, "Judy Miriga" , mugi1_2000 at yahoo.com, "mulembe" , "mwananchi" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, news at ktnkenya.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Kamau J Njuguna" , "Paul Nyandoto" , "Hon Prof Anyang' Nyong'o" , "martin o" , "Oketch Odhiambo" , ojwangf at yahoo.com, "othieno_n" , "panafricanist" , "Lameck Siage" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:38 AM The bush that I saw in some photos on the net recently used to be Lake Victoria once upon a time. During those days, we used to have a lot of fishing activities in this area, the youth used to operate boat rides, the families used to come and enjoy the scenic view of the Lake. During those days, the Lake used to provide many people with economic activities. This meant that incidences of crime were low and food was readily available to the families. Now, the Lake is clogged. The people cannot fish, the families cannot take a boat ride, the boat operators have been chased out of the water, and incidences of crime and prostitution are on the increase because the people who were so engaged in gainful economic activities, have nothing but crime and prostitution to turn to. At the end of the day, they must put bread on the family table, whatever it takes. And the area MPs are silent! The Lake provides the President of the Independent* Republic of Kenya an opportunity to show his people leadership. Even if the President has avoided some parts of Nyanza as the plague, just like he has avoided the issue of Migingo Islands that Ugandans have effectively taken, the people around the Lake are still Kenyans. And they need the support of their government to remove these things from the Lake. Here is where Kazi Kwa Vijana should come in. The people around the Lake would not mind being so employed to manually harvest this thing from the Lake and use it as fertilizer in their farms. Here is where the government must show commitment into service delivery. A people who have been dispossessed of their Lake by the water hyacinth can only turn to their government for solace and intervention. Kisumu sits on the Lake yet it has no clean drinking water! And the President is not bothered. It is like these people are not Kenyans. And the area MPs are silent! It is instructive to note that President Kibaki, despite being Raila Odinga?s partner in government, has refused to visit the whole of Nyanza. He has been to Kisii 6 times in 6 years. In that period of time, he has avoided the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo. And it speaks volumes. During those visits, he has increased the number of Districts in that region to 13 vis-?-vis 11 constituencies. In that time, he has created a total of 209 Districts in Kenya vis-?-vis 210 constituencies. I do not know whether this is economical, but the consolation is that our President is a graduate of Economics from Makerere University, even if his economics were pre-colonial economics. It is also instructive to note that Kenya Breweries pulled out of Kisumu, Kicomi collapsed, Sugar Industries are collapsing, Ahero Rice Irrigation is dead, Kisumu has no piped water, no industries are in Kisumu ?save for the Molasses that is associated with the Odinga family, and now, the Lake is dying. And we have a President who refuses to visit this part of Kenya. It is like he is not the President of the part of Nyanza inhabited by the Luo.And the area MPs are silent! As this is happening, the President?s visit to Kisii, Western Province and to Rift Valley Province is sending clear signals to the Luo that the President is on an open vendetta against them. Migingo Island is invaded by Museveni and the president is silent. Could it be true that Museveni sent in troops to help Kibaki in early 2007? Or why does the President seem to hate the Luo with such open passion? Recently some 4 Kenyans went to Bulla Hawa in the part of Somali that has no government. They were quickly arrested by some rag-tag militia for trespassing. It took the intervention of the provincial administration to negotiate their release. In Kenya, Museveni invades and our police fold arms and run away. The Army which is to protect our territorial space is behaving as if they do not exist. They wish they were invisible. Does it strike you that a rag-tag army can defend their territorial space such swiftly, while a country that has not failed fails to protect her people? Does it strike anybody that the president created 24 Districts early this year, 15 of which are in Central Province? Does it strike anybody that the President is busy creating Districts across Kenya except in the Nyanza of the Luo people? Does it strike you that Kisii District now has more Districts than it has constituencies? What is this madness with creation of Districts? A toad does not jump in broad day light. There must be a reason Kibaki is creating new districts, and it has all to do with Raila Odinga and the Presidency in 2012. Kibaki is on a mission to ensure Raila does not get to be President of Kenya. And for that matter, nobody else apart from one of his own. What is the President?s game plan against the Luo? Is the Prime Minister seeing all this? Does the president view the Luo as Kenyans as well? I am asking these questions with a very clear mind. Kenyans are on a mission to share, heal and reconcile with each other. The President is not showing any signs that he wants to reconcile with the Luo. It is like he wants to suffocate the Luo out of existence. His action and thought process can be seen in the eyes of Uhuru Kenyatta, in how George Thuo talks, in how Simon Mbugua talks, and in the honesty of John Michuki. If I read the signs clearly, then we are wasting our times trying to reconcile the country. The President seems to have a set mind against the Luo of Kenya, and this is chilling. The moves by the President are the kind of things that do not help in national healing and reconciliation. It is my humble opinion that the President of a country must not show such open disdain against his subjects the way Kibaki is showing to the Luo of Nyanza. It is my humble opinion that the President must be at the forefront in creating harmony, national healing and reconciliation. It is further my humble opinion that the President must not play games that are aimed at alienating the Luo from their immediate neighbours, the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjin. It is hence not surprising that Kicomi closed down, Kenya Breweries closed down, the sugar industries are struggling, Ahero Irrigation Scheme is dead, the lake is clogged and Migingo Island is gone, and the President is not concerned. To him, the Luo deserve all that. He is not bothered, yet, this is also part of Kenya. I am annoyed with the president for fomenting hatred instead of creating unity. It is like he is setting the Kisii, the Luhya and the Kalenjins against the Luo. Just like he has set Kenyans against the Kikuyu. More so, he is doing nothing to unite the Kikuyu and the Luo. It is only Raila who is struggling to preach peace even in Central Province. And the Prime Minister seems not to be seeing this. It reminds me of early 2007 when the police were sent to kill the Luo in Kisumu, Kibera and in Mathare. It was a killing that was premeditated and pre-planned. Instead of the President leading us in a healing process, he is playing games with our psyche. This is not acceptable. He is then positioning Uhuru, the man who planned the naivasha massacre, to succeed him. This must be madness> The President must love the whole country. And he must be fair to the whole country. If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya, I would not wait to be urged into action. I would engage the people in a daily process of harvesting the water hyacinth manually immediately from Lake Victoria. If I were the President of the Independent Republic of Kenya, I would urge Kenya Breweries to immediately go back to Kisumu. If I were the President of Independent Republic of Kenya, I would order the Army to move and secure all the Kenyan boarders with immediate effect. The lack of interest over the issue of Migingo Island from the Commander-in- Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kenya speaks volume by itself. I would even borrow a leaf from what the Somali war load did when some Kenyans strayed into his territory; he had them arrested very swiftly. No negotiations. No begging missions. Or it is a thank you token to Yoweri Museveni. Happy Easter. ?Kamau J Njuguna? *Independent is highlighted because it is what we are supposed to be. Reality shows we are not. The Somali war load proved me right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Members | Calendar Post message: kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com Subscribe:? kenyaclub-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe:? kenyaclub-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com List owner:? kenyaclub-owner at yahoogroups.com Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Earlier in the day, I saw Martha Karua with a team that call themselves civil leaders in an hotel, supposedly talking about Kenya and the Kenyan problem. ? First, what is this obsession with having workshops in the hotels? ? At the hotels, it is always the same people meeting. They talk to themselves about what they all know, and what some of us know. And to this extent, what value do they add to the reform process in the country? ? They are hardly covered by the media. If they are covered, they are given less than a minute of news time. When I am watching news with friends and they appear on TV, the question that people ask is; on whose behalf do these people talk? ? I bet it is time the donor community realized that these people who talk in the hotels are in very serious business. They represent nobody and they talk for nobody. They are in it for themselves. They are part of the problem Kenyans must deal with. ? As soon as we elect them to parliament, they promptly forget the reform agenda. They only come back to the reform process once they have been sacked, or once they fall out of favour. But so long as things are working their way, they will talk no reform. And that is why they must make all the noise in the hotels where they have the usual audience. Remember one Kibutha Kibwana? ? At NTV, I would have wanted to hear Kathleen Openda ask Karua her role in President Kibaki appointing an Electoral Team all by himself in the run up to the last electoral fiasco, in the process ignoring the IPPG deal. That was not forthcoming. I would have wanted Kathleen to put Karua to task; tell her that she is a reformer of no shade, just like Ruto said. Ask her how logical it can be to declare a man with 43 MPs as the presidential winner while one with 112 MPs is declared the looser. ? I would have wanted to hear from Karua how logical it is to declare a man with one and a half province a winner against one with six clear provinces to himself. I would have also wanted to hear how logical it is for two men with the support of only two provinces ganging up to forcefully take over power against one person with the support of six provinces.? The law wants the winner to have the support of at least 5 provinces. Kibaki had only Central and half of Eastern province. Kalonzo had less than half of a province while Raila who was declared the loser had six clear provinces. Karau owes us an explanation. ? I would have wanted Kathleen to come heavy on Karua?s reform credentials. How come she yaps reforms only after falling out of favour with non reformers? Her reform credentials are questionable, just like those of Mwai Kibaki, Kalonzo Musyoka, Mutula Kilonzo and Kibutha Kibwana. ? Lastly, for Mutahi Ngunyi to suggest that Kibaki can appoint George Saitoti as the next Prime Minister is superfluous. He must be in very deep slumber for the National Accord that we have is so clear on who becomes the Prime Minister. It is not the President to appoint. ? The law says that the Prime Minister shall be the leader of the largest political party in parliament. As it is, Raila Odinga is that leader. He has close to 112 MPs in parliament. The nearest challenger is Mwai Kibaki with 43 MPs in Parliament, followed by Kalonzo Musyoka with 16 MPs, Uhuru Kenyatta with 14 MPs, and then other fringe parties. Kalonzo and Kibaki have a combined force of 59 MPs in Parliament, still a far cry from what Raila and ODM have. You know, these are the facts. ? People like Mutahi are the people who are misadvising Kibaki on the Coalition government. If he becomes candid with Kibaki over these issues, he will do Kenya a good favour. But pretending to talk about real issue in public and in columns does not make sense to me when you talk different in private. ? So, can Mutahi tell us under what authority Kibaki can even contemplate appointing Saitoti as the Prime Minister? Mutahi could be a good political commentator, but he must consign himself to reality. He must not be an agent provocateur for the current system. If he does like he is doing, he becomes a rabid dog for hire in the view of many of us who advocate truth as the guiding lines in leadership. In his political brief to the president, he needs to be as factual. He must not serve us with water, while he takes wine in the company of the President. ? Secondly, why must Kibaki only consider Saitoti in the mind of Mutahi? Are there no other Kenyans worthy of consideration? This is a typical myopic thinking. It serves to advance tribal considerations at the expense of the country. It does not advance the national peace and reconciliation that Kenya so badly wants. ? Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 05:25:42 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS Message-ID: <988259.45134.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brother, You have seen this thing very clearly. Constitution has become a milch cow and all and sundry must talk about the constitution to ensure that they remain relevant. Even non reformers like Martha Karua have been embraced by some hotel loving NGOs to talk about the way forward when it is clear that Martha was the single force behind the civilian coup of 30th December 2007. in defense of Kenya, I assign you number 10. You must score the goals and help Kenya remain peaceful as we plot how to remove all the non reformers from power through electoral means. That is it. Make sure you defend the Kenyan goal; 1] The Goal Keeper; 2] Right full back; 3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo 4] Central defender; 5] Stopper; Kuria-Mwangi 6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch 7] Right winger; 8] Central Midfielder; 9] Striker; James Nduko 10] Distributor; Fwamba NC Fwamba 11] Left winger; Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators. They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, crispus fwamba wrote: From: crispus fwamba Subject: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS To: kptj-communications at fahamu.org, bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com, "ProgressiveMinds" Cc: kenva at yahoogroups.com, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "WESTERN PROFESSIONALS" , "Young Kenyans" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:11 AM IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW OUR ONLY REMEDY The constitutional review has been a song sang since early 90s by majority of Kenyans under the leadership of a number of civil society organizations like the National Constitutional Executive Council. Activities of such organizations helped us attain an awareness level to most of Kenyans on the importance of reforms through constitutional review. However it?s unfortunate that it?s almost two decades since the introduction of multipartyism whose campaign was spearheaded by a number of the current people in government. The constitutional review process has instead become a serious impediment to any reforms in this country because Kenyans have been made to believe that real change can only come through a constitutional review. this has also given opportunity to those who are anti reforms to have a clear picture of what would stand on their way in maintain the status quo.therefore the anti reform forces who are beneficiaries of corruption which includes irregular land allocations to use all their energies and positions of power to ensure there are no reforms that might interfere with their comfort. It?s also notable that most of those who agitated for change while in opposition changed their language immediately they got opportunities to serve in government. It?s a known fact too that a number of non governmental organizations exist on the sole reason of pursuing constitutional changes in the country and the general feeling is that they will be rendered insignificant once the we have a new constitution. Given these circumstances, Kenyans need to redefine a new way of implementing reforms or rather having a new constitution without involving the usual stakeholders who have been squabbling over the way to the reforms. If we still believe that reforms can only be achieved through constitutional review then we need to have different players other than politicians or those with vested interests. It has been a daunting task for Kenyans who even went on to believe that by voting in pro reform leaders into parliament, it was going to be easier to have a people driven constitution which was eventually a proven futility citing examples of Prof Kivutha Kibwana?s days in parliament and the current presence of the likes of Mutava Musyimi and others. It?s therefore evident that all Kenyans in positions of leadership are obstacles to constitutional change in Kenya. This is the same cause of our inability to attain this long fought potential historic achievement in 2005 when we went to the referendum because of tension and vested interest s by leaders from different sectors of political and civil society leadership. In the same vain was the national accord that was signed by the President and the Prime Minister in order to halt clashes that resulted fro a disputed presidential election. For the same reasons of the process driven by a political class, the Serena talks went into disarray immediately the agenda on power sharing was cleared. Agenda four which had a lot to do with the reforms is now being treated as a minor issue by the same political class that agreed on power sharing. It?s for this reason that I believe that our political class will never address issues on agenda four. This is the reason as to why some people have decided to agitate for piecemeal reforms which have still been rendered useless because of legal arguments based on current constitutional references. It is therefore imperative that we have a radical approach on the process or else we will never have a new constitution in this country and that means we will never be able to address reforms in this country whose implementation is based on constitutional interpretation. When NARC government took reigns of power from Moi, Kenyans were very optimistic and Kibaki who those days seemed to still care about his reputation as the hope for change, created a number of commissions which included the Ndung?u commission on land that produced the report which can now only be termed as having been a public relations exercise. It has since been a nightmare to implement because there is no mandatory constitutional obligation for its implementation. So it can authoritatively be argued that in a way the constitutional review process has in itself been an obstacle to reforms in this country. The same forces that have been ensuring that we don?t get a new constitution are still very influential in the country. Therefore if we divorced the constitution from the political class, it may be easier for us to achieve change or altertnatively, Kenyans have a duty to think of another way of achieving change other than the constitution. It?s mind boggling conscientiousness to every progressive force in this country. Changing the process or the method is the only right direction we must take to achieve change. FWAMBA NC FWAMBA BOX 41046, Nairobi 0736170218 http://kenyayoungvo tersalliance. blogspot. com http://fwambancfwam ba.wordpress. com http://fwambancfwam ba.blogspot. com __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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URL: From nmmos1960 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 17:22:35 2009 From: nmmos1960 at yahoo.com (nimmos waweru) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers In-Reply-To: <423963.31432.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <802180.34762.qm@web56907.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, > ? > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda.? There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.? > ? > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government?to do the same before the next election.? This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. > ? > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place.? Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule.? There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail.? This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. > ? > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in?the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there. ?Now who of the two do we take to task.? Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next?step?? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they?are completely defeated, they we?move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. > ? > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him?directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. > ? > How about that?? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg > scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in > future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To: Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > > ? > > Folks, > > ? > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery.? In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float,?although they faults here and there, the > storm?at > > sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for > > your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like > chameleons?? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change > > without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. > > ? > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... > > ? > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > > ? > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in > > and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? > But > > now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ > > ? > > What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? > > ? > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending.? You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for?generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > > ? > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts........ > > ? > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > > ? > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? > > ? > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you,? Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about?our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > > ? > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of?????????????????????????? > u > > from central keep quite. > > ? > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > > ? > > ? > > Airport....................Same > > ? > > ? > > Tribal Bonding..........same > > ? > > ? > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by???????????????????????????? > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > > ? > > ? > > I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > > ? > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From kelvinonkundi at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 02:18:04 2009 From: kelvinonkundi at yahoo.com (Kelvin Onkundi) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [Jambo} be blessed. Message-ID: <76810.41146.qm@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?This is the noamber you will call mum +19086623564 i trust that God is on your side always pray for me pr kefa onkundi. --- On Wed, 3/25/09, masakamomadi at aol.com wrote: From: masakamomadi at aol.com Subject: [Jambo] Fwd: MUNGU NIHURUMIE To: Jambo at publiceyesite.org, KACA at yahoogroups.com, TAUS at yahoogroups.com, sadael at verizon.net Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 4:52 AM -----Original _filtered #yiv584758145 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv584758145 {font-family:Cambria;panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b p.MsoNormal, #yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b li.MsoNormal, #yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}#yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b a:link, #yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b a:visited, #yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv584758145 {margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}#yiv584758145 #AOLMsgPart_3_ecc7502e-010c-496e-9d43-922f731f632b div.Section1 {} Mpeendwa, ? 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URL: From paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi Sun Apr 12 02:06:54 2009 From: paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi (Paul Nyandoto) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:06:54 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers In-Reply-To: <175929.39356.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <175929.39356.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E1AF2E0200004F0001C984@mail.phks.fi> Judy & Waweru et al. I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind. The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings, Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?. I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very friendly,smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans. What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment. So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?. Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is too late. Best regards Paul Nyandoto >>> Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33 >>> Nimmos Waweru I agree with you. Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want. We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day. We are the ones who are stupid. We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny. We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho. These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi. Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with? What will we tell our children? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. Umoja ni nguvu..... Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, > > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda. There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict. > > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government to do the same before the next election. This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. > > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place. Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule. There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail. This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. > > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there. Now who of the two do we take to task. Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next step? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. > > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. > > How about that? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg > scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in > future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To: Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > > > > Folks, > > > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery. In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float, although they faults here and there, the > storm at > > sea did not let them float in calmness as they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for > > your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement? Why do you guys act like > chameleons? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change > > without force. Your selfishness is deep skin. > > > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort. We know it...... > > > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > > > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in > > and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. > But > > now on this one I choose to disagree with you. > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much........ > > > > What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us. > > > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally. And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending. You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come. > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > > > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts...... . > > > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > > > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you, Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > > > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of > u > > from central keep quite. > > > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > > > > > > Airport....................Same > > > > > > Tribal Bonding..........same > > > > > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > > > > > > I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > > > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From nailantei at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 06:41:12 2009 From: nailantei at hotmail.com (Debbie M) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:41:12 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] Happy Easter to you In-Reply-To: <187702.42295.qm@web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <187702.42295.qm@web35502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Christmas is glorious Of its Holy gift we sing Of a manger and baby Our blessed newborn king Thanksgiving is so grand Our thanks to God we give For His unending bounty Gracing each day we live Valentines Day is romantic A day we are filled with love Love from spouse and family Love from the Great One above But there is one holiday That rises above them all Rewarding each one of us Whether strong, meek or small Of all of God's gifts Easter shows us our fate Forgiven we will rise And pass through Heaven's gate This Easter remember The sacrifice of a Son And through His resurrection Eternal life we have won This Easter I pray That the love of God Is resurrected Reborn, renewed Inside your heart God Bless You! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Problems facing President Kibaki/ Prime Minister Raila are not of their making. This was a mistake made right from the onset of the formation of the so called grand coalition. Where in the world did we have too equal centers of power? Please note the contention is not the coalition or the institutions: It?s only the word Equal. Two steeling wheels, with two drivers in one motor vehicle? I do not care whether these two drivers will be Obama and Annan, or Kibaki and Raila... You can not climb a tree from the top. The two institutions, Prime Minister and presidency, should have been formed under the orbits of a constitutionally elected government and not the other way round...? An unconstitutional government can not pretend to form constitutional institutions... ?What we needed soon after the Serena Accord is a new constitution and Immediate Election under the watchful eye of the United Nations... ?Today Kenya is like the house of barbell. Raila and his ODM side of government are pulling on one side while Kibaki and PNU are pulling on the other. ?We can not pretend that things are Going on well for five years, the damage kibaki and Raila are doing will be irreparable. They are pulling the very fabrics that hold Kenya together in to tiny shreds. The world dictated to them to come together, the world can dictate to the two to give Kenya a new constitution. ?This will resolve the current institutional confusion. If we keep the office of the president, he will be operating within the constitutional frame work. The Prime minister two will know his boundaries. Ministers and civil servants will then be royal to the institutions of governance, not to the readers of their appointing parties. ?Kenya will then become what it should have been, a country heading straight to the vision 2030. And more.? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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Box 64, New York, N.Y., 10025 (212) 481-7745 Please visit also visit www.blackstarnews.com From: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com To: matthieuwy12 at juno.com Subject: False Narrative: The Rwanda Genocide Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:28:01 -0400 http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=5553 False Narrative: The Rwanda Genocide By Keith Harmon Snow April 10th, 2009 [Global: Exposing Western Players In African Genocide] Editor?s Introduction: Ordinarily, we don't write introductions to articles or essays published in The Black Star News but the following column by Keith Harmon Snow warrants it. Snow has been at the forefront, as has this newspaper, in exposing Western duplicity in Africa and how U.S. and U.K. corporate and government interests have caused the deaths of millions of Africans; all for the love of money. In the end, the African actors, the bit players really, are the ones who are blamed; wars of blood money and profits are referred to euphemistically by major newspapers, including The New York Times as "tribal wars," so that Americans can nod their heads and continue on with their lives without bothering to ask any further questions. After all, "tribal wars" are endemic to Africa; they always happen. Africans just wake up one day, grab machetes and start chopping off their neighbors' heads to satisfy "blood lust;" a term actually once used by Time magazine to explain what the magazine contended was the reason for the Rwanda massacres of 1994. Meanwhile, no one writes about the Western companies that somehow just always happen to be around digging the gold and the diamonds and ferrying off the timber and the young Congolese girls, even as the chopping off of heads and limbs occur. But Keith Harmon Snow, whose long report follows, is not with the program. He is the anti-New York Times kind of reporter; and the anti-New Yorker magazine; and, anti-BBC and anti-Washington Post kind of journalist. In fact, he is beyond being a mere journalist. He is the type of forthright individual that corporate media would refer to as "radical," in order to impugn his reputation, without having to challenge him on a single fact. He salvages a little respectability for the profession of journalism, which has been corrupted by corporate media. He is a crusader with a mission; his goal is to expose United States' and Britain's roles in the genocide in Uganda and in the Congo; with characters like Rwanda's president Paul Kagame and Uganda's Yoweri K. Museveni and Sudan's Omar Hassan al-Bashir all playing the bit roles. Snow writes long; he cannot help it because he feels the pain of the Congolese and the Ugandans and he wants someone somewhere --here in the United States and Britain-- to pay a price. He might be accused of being overly passionate; one has to be, when one feels the kind of indignation that Snow feels. When it is a matter of genocide no article can be too long. Readers that bear with Snow and read all his words will learn information not found in the corporate media. Corporate media are often accomplices to crimes against humanity. Sometimes in a most perverted manner. Take The New York Times' resident Sudanese genocide expert, Nicholas Kristoff. If Kristoff really cares about the suffering of Africans, and not just about winning a Pulitzer Prize as he did for his Sudanese crusade, don't you think he would lend his big pen to expose with equal passion the suffering of Congolese and Ugandan civilians; or might that lead to the indictment of Kagame and Museveni, "friends" of United States interests? Why would a humanitarian be selective in fighting against genocide unless there was a hidden agenda? Thank the creator for the Internet. In the past, the world was held hostage to the tyranny of selective coverage and cover-ups by newspapers such as The New York Times and writers like Kristoff. He is a hero to Africans in his own mind. The Internet era has broken the monopoly of disinformation and misinformation once enjoyed by elite media. Many years ago, George Orwell had warned against the dangers of propaganda, or what he called "New Speak." We hear New Speak every day; where everything is turned upside down, killers are praised, while innocents are marched off to shallow graves in the forests. New Speak celebrates murderers as heroes and denounces victims. Although successive generations have always declared "never again;" and "not on our watch," as surely as the sun rises, humanity never fails and genocide always occurs. New Speak always exonerates the killers. New Speak is public relations disinformation; black becomes white; red is yellow; and bad is good. Take Uganda's Yoweri Museveni as an example; he is a master New Speaker. He has single-handedly, with the assistance of U.K. and U.S. financing and military hardware, caused the deaths of more than eight million Africans --half a million or more in Uganda; one million in Rwanda; seven million in Congo. Yet, at least up until the time President George W. Bush left office, he was treated like some respected elder statesman of politics in the West. He is such a smooth New Speaker that he attends the funerals of people whom he has reportedly eliminated in Uganda. He is such a smooth operator that he even secured an audience with President Bush in the White House in 2007 even though The Wall Street Journal had already reported on June 8, 2006, that he is being investigated by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes committed by his troops and militia in Congo between 1998-2003 and conceivably, like Liberia's former president Charles Taylor, and like Sudan's president al-Bashir, he too may be indicted by the ICC. While President Bush could ignore the inconvenient truth and entertain Museveni in the White House, praising him for fighting HIV/Aids, even as he used his other hand to eliminate millions of Africans, it is difficult to imagine how President Barack Obama, a constitutional law professor, could ignore the smell of blood emanating from the Ugandan. Then again, on this earth, anything is possible. Rwanda's Kagame is another master New Speaker. Earlier this week, he presided over memorial ceremonies for the victims of the 1994 massacres. Kagame indulges in this macabre exercise each year even though he was instrumental in the very genocide which he now "mourns": he commanded the invasion of Rwanda from Uganda in 1990 and a French court has concluded that he ordered the missile downing of the presidential plane carrying Presidents Juvenal Habyarimana of Rwanda and Cyprien Ntayamira of Burundi, sparking the 100 days of mass murders. Western media had also prepared the global community for the eventual demonization and criminalization of all Hutus --even the ones who never participated in the mass murders of 1994-- with a racist campaign against them in major magazines such as The New York Times magazine and The New Yorker, both with circulation in the millions. One of the first media volleys against the Hutus was an article by Alex Shoumatoff, published on June 20, 1992 in The New Yorker, where he described people he had observed while travelling in Burundi, which has the same ethnic combustibility between the majority Hutus and minority Hutus; at that time Burundi?s army and government were controlled by the Tutsi minority. "There were three obvious Tutsis," Shoumatoff wrote, of the people he saw in a taxi cab, "Tall, slender with high foreheads, prominent cheekbones, and narrow features." He added: "They were a different physical type from the five passengers who were short and stocky and had the flat noses and thick lips typical of Hutus." Almost three months later, an even more insidious article by Shoumatoff, "Rwanda's Aristocratic Guerrillas," was published on December 13, 1992, in The New York Times magazine. By this time, the invasion of Rwanda was in its second year and the RPF had already committed numerous massacres against Hutu civilians, as a lexis-nexus search of news reports will reveal. These crimes were glossed over or ignored in Shoumatoff's article and all contemporary and subsequent accounts in major newspapers such as the Times. Moreover, Shoumatoff was married to a Tutsi woman who was the first cousin of the RPF's spokesperson and he was met at Entebbe airport in Uganda by RPF officials who guided him to the zones they controlled. So, The New York Times knowingly participated in the demonization campaign against the Hutus, who make up 85% of the population in both Rwanda and Burundi. "In the late 19th Century," Shoumatoff, acting as an unofficial propagandist for the invading army wrote in The New York Times magazine, describing Tutsis, "early ethnologists were fascinated by these 'languidly haughty' pastoral aristocrats whose high foreheads, aquiline noses and thin lips seemed more Caucasian than Negroid, and they classified them as 'false negroes.' In a popular theory of the day, the Tutsis were thought to be highly civilized people, the race of fallen Europeans, whose existence in Central Africa had been rumored for centuries." Shoumatoff added, of the Tutsis: "They are not a race or a tribe, as often described, but a population, a stratum, a mystical, warrior-priest elite, like the Druids in Celtic society." As for the Hutus, they were far from resembling warrior priests: as Shoumatoff revealed, they were "short, stocky local Bantu agriculturalists." [To read more critique of Western media demonization of Africans, please see "The Hearts Of Darkness, How White Writers Created The Racist Image of Africa," (Black Star Books, 2005)] Yes, henious crimes against humanity and war crimes occurred in Rwanda, not only in 1994, but right from the time of the Uganda-sponsored invasion in 1990. Yet, the account here shows, many people would rather pretend that the atrocities started in 1994. Many of the people who participated in the crimes have been caught and tried; those prosecuted so far have been only Hutus. The story can never be complete when others involved in the same crime are exonerated through New Speak--some are outside Rwanda, including Museveni, for sponsoring the invasion and reportedly for supplying the missile used to down Habyarimana's jet; others, indicted and unindicted criminals now govern Rwanda. But ours is a mere introduction. Let Keith Harmon Snow tell the sordid story. False Narrative: Whitewashing Rwanda Genocide By Keith Harmon Snow On 12 February 2009, Alison Des Forges, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch (HRW) for more than 20 years, was killed when Continental Airlines Flight 3407 crashed on route to Buffalo, New York. Des Forges was widely cited as a staunch critic of the Rwandan military government controlled by Paul Kagame and the victors of the war in Rwanda, 1990-1994. In the ongoing life-and-death struggle to reveal the truth about war crimes and genocide in Central Africa, competing factions on all sides have posthumously embraced Alison Des Forges as an activist challenging power and a purveyor of truth and justice against all odds. Meanwhile, in March, 2009, based on false accusations of genocide issued by the Kagame regime?and given the close relations between Rwanda and the Barack Obama Administration?s former Clintonite officials?the U.S. Department of Homeland Security began the process of revisiting all immigration cases of Rwandan asylum seekers and criminalizing innocent refugees. "In May of 1994, a few weeks into the killings of Tutsis in Rwanda," reported Amy Goodman, posthumously, on Democracy Now, Alison Des Forges "was among the first voices calling for the killings to be declared a genocide." Added Goodman: "She later became very critical of the Tutsi-led Rwandan government headed by Paul Kagame and its role in the mass killings in both Rwanda and neighboring Congo after 1994. Last year, she was barred from entering Rwanda." To say that Des Forges was "amongst the first voices calling for the killings to be declared genocide" in 1994 is an Orwellian ruse. The genocide label applied by Alison Des Forges and certain human rights bodies in May of 1994 was misdirected, used to accuse and criminalize only the majority Hutu people and the remnants of the decapitated Habyarimana government; much as the genocide and war crimes accusations have been selectively applied against President Omar al-Bashir in Sudan. The Clinton Administration refused to apply the genocide label: to do so might have compromised an ongoing U.S.-backed covert operation: the invasion of Rwanda by the Pentagon?s proxy force, the Rwandan Patriotic Front/Army (RPF/A). According to U.S. intelligence insider Wayne Madsen, Des Forges? criticisms of the U.S.-brokered pact between Rwanda's President Paul Kagame and the Democratic Republic of Congo's President Joseph Kabila in December 2008 "earned her some powerful enemies ranging from the murderous Kagame, who will not think twice about sending his agents to silence critics abroad, and international interests who want nothing to prevent them from looting the DRC?s vast mineral and energy resources." "With U.S. military forces of the U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) now backing a joint Ugandan-DRC offensive in the northeastern DRC to wipe out the Lord?s Resistance Army," wrote Madsen on 16 February 2009, "with hundreds of civilian casualties in the DRC and Uganda, and a secret pact worked out between Kabila and Kagame to permit Rwandan troops to occupy the eastern DRC, the target of both operations is securing the vast territory that is rich in commodities that the United States, Britain and Israel?all allies of Uganda and Rwanda?want badly. Those commodities are gold, diamonds, columbium-tantalite (coltan), platinum and natural gas." Massive oil reserves are also at stake, with major concessions bifurcated by the international border. Ongoing petroleum sector investment (exploration and exploitation) in the region involves numerous western extraction companies?many being so-called petroleum "minors" likely fronting for larger corporations?including Hardman Resources, Heritage Oil and Gas, H Oil & Minerals, PetroSA, Tullow Oil, Vangold Resources, ContourGlobal Group, Tower Resources, Reservoir Capital Group, and Nexant (a Bechtel Corporation subsidiary). Billed as a "tireless champion" and "leading light in African human rights," there is much more to this story than the western propaganda system has revealed: Alison Des Forges and Human Rights Watch (HRW) provided intelligence to the U.S. government at the time of the 1994 crises, and they have continued in this role to the present. Des Forges also supported the show trials at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR), institutionalizing victor?s justice and shielding the Kagame regime. Alison Des Forges came across to many people as a wonderful human being with great compassion and impeccable integrity. Indeed, this was my impression upon meeting her as well. She is said to have helped people who were being persecuted?no matter that they were Hutus or Tutsis?by the Rwandan regime that has for more than 19 years operated with impunity behind the misplaced and misappropriated moral currency of victimhood. In the recent past, Alison Des Forges spoke?to some limited degree?against the war crimes of the Kagame regime. In life she did not speak about the deeper realities of "genocide in Rwanda", and she had plenty of chances. In fact, she is the primary purveyor of the inversion of truth that covered up the deeper U.S. role in the Rwanda "genocide", and she spent the past 10 years of her life explaining away the inconsistencies, covering up the facts, revising her own story when necessary, and manipulating public opinion about war crimes in the Great Lakes of Africa?in service to the U.S. government and powerful corporations involved in the plunder and depopulation of the region. "Alison des Forges is a liar," Cameroonian journalist Charles Onana told me, in Paris, France, several years ago. Onana is the author of numerous expos?s on war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity in Central Africa, and he is the author of the book "The Secrets of the Rwandan Genocide, Investigations on the Mysteries of a President," published in French in 2001. Kagame, Rwanda?s one-party president "elected" through rigged elections, sued Charles Onana for defamation in a French court in 2002; Kagame lost the original trial and the appeal. Kagame was the commander of the Rwandan Patriotic Front/Army (RPF/A) and a leading agent?with Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni and their U.S., U.K., Belgian and Israeli backers?behind the massive bloodshed and ongoing terrorism in Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Congo, Sudan and Somalia. In his book, Onana accused Kagame of being the principle instigator of the missile attack of April 6, 1994 that brought down the plane carrying Rwanda's President Juvenal Habyarimana and Burundi's Cyprien Ntaryamira. Unlike the U.N.'s ongoing high-profile investigation of the murder of Lebanon's former prime minister Rafik Hariri, no major power has pushed for a similar probe into the murder of the two African presidents. Des Forges own death in a plane crash garnered major coverage. "Leading light in African Human Rights killed in Buffalo Crash," reported the Pentagon?s mouthpiece, CNN. "Human Rights Watch, which is based in New York, said she was ?best known for her award-winning account of the genocide, Leave None to Tell the Story.? She was truly wonderful, the epitome of the human rights activist?principled, dispassionate, committed to the truth and to using that truth to protect ordinary people." Alison Des Forges first worked as a HRW agent in Rwanda in 1992; in 1993 she helped produce a major international document highly biased against the Rwandan Government and protective of the RPF/A invaders: "Report of the International Commission of Investigation on Human Rights Violations in Rwanda since October 1, 1990." In late 1992, the International Federation of Human Rights, Human Rights Watch, the Inter-African Union for Human Rights and the Rights of Peoples, and the International Center for the Rights of the Individual and the Development of Democracy created the International Commission of Investigation on Human Rights Violations in Rwanda since October 1, 1990. With 10 members from eight countries, the commission reported its findings in March 1993: Des Forges was co chairperson, one of the three principal writers, and translator of the French to English version. The report noted that "hundreds of thousands" of Rwandans were made homeless and forced to flee, prior to January 1993, but these casualties of the RPF/A invasion were not attributed to international crimes of peace against a sovereign government committed by an invading army?the RPF/A guerrillas covertly backed by the U.S., Britain, Belgium and Israel?but instead merely to "war". In other words, the initial act of aggression, the RPA/F invasion, was institutionally protected and the war crimes that set the stage for the conflagrations in Rwanda and Congo went unpunished. Later in 1993, Rwandans Ferdinan d Nanimana and Joseph Mushyandi, representing four Rwandan organizations under the Rwanda Associations for the Defense of Human Rights, challenged the DesForges commission in their 26-page document, "A Commentary on the Report of the International Commission's Inquiry on the Violation of Human Rights in Rwanda since October 1990." "How can an international commission be taken seriously when its members spent only two weeks extracting verbal and written evidence on human rights violations for a period of two years?" the authors wrote. They also pointed out that the commission spent less than two hours in areas controlled by the RPF/A rebels and that they could not visit all the 11 prefectures in the country because of demonstrations that blocked the roads. "Can there be any objective and credible conclusions in their report?" Ferdinand Nanimana was later sentenced to life imprisonment for genocide. Many members of the Rwandan human rights organizations he worked with prior to April 1994 were subsequently killed. The rights and due process of Rwandan Hutus are systematically violated due to victor?s justice secured by the U.S., Europe, Israel and the proxy states Uganda, Tanzania and Rwanda. Bernard Ntuyahaga, a Major of the former Rwandan army (ex-FAR) accused of killing 10 Belgian soldiers and Prime Minister Agathe Uwilingiyimana, surrendered to the ICTR to avoid extradition to Rwanda; he was tried in Belgium and sentenced to 20 years in prison on July 4, 2007. Like other researchers who have endlessly perpetuated the disinformation, Des Forges made no attempts to correct the record. In 1992, human rights researchers Rakiya Omaar and Alex de Waal established the London-based NGO African Rights. In August 1995, African Rights published Rwanda: Death, Despair and Defiance, another pivotal "human rights" report that manufactured the "genocide" fabrications, set the stage for victor?s justice at the ICTR, and began the process of dehumanizing millions of Hutu people and protecting the true terrorists. In 1995, Omaar and de Waal recycled the disinformation in the left-leaning Covert Action Quarterly under the title "U.S. Complicity by Silence: Genocide in Rwanda." Since 2003, Alex de Waal has been one of the primary disinformation conduits on Darfur, Sudan. "An intensive back and forth activity between this so-called British human rights organization, African Rights, and the intelligence services of the [Kagame] President?s office and the Rwandan military, has been observed," wrote Paul Rusesabagina, whose heroics was immortalized in the film Hotel Rwanda. "Her investigators are very close to the [RPF/A] military intelligence apparatus, and the modus operandi of both appears to be similar." Alison Des Forges years-long "investigations" into the bloodshed of 1994 resulted in the fat treatise on genocide in Rwanda, "Leave None to Tell the Story," a book co-researched and co-written by Timothy Longman, now Associate Professor of Africana Studies and Political Science at Vassar College. Longman and Des Forges produced numerous documents?based on field investigations in Congo (then Zaire), Rwanda and Burundi, from 1995 to 2008?touted as independent and unbiased human rights documents, all skewed by hidden interests. According to a recent PBS Frontline eulogy, less than two weeks into the killing in April 1994 Des Forges met with officials in the U.S. State Department and National Security Council (NSC) and lobbied for their help. "We were not asking for U.S. troops," Frontline quotes her saying, "it was clear to us that there was no way that the U.S. was going to commit troops to Rwanda." But the U.S. military was heavily backing the RPF/A tactically and strategically already. Key to the operation were "former" Special Operations Forces (Ronco Company) providing military equipment and ferrying RPA troops from Uganda to Rwanda; the Pentagon's logistical and communications support; Defense Intelligence Agency and CIA operatives. Canadian General Romeo Dallaire, commander of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Rwanda (UNAMIR), was also collaborating with the RPF/A, serving the Pentagon interest. Genocide in Rwanda became a massive psychological operation directed against media consumers using ghastly images?produced by RPA-embedded photographers like James Nachtwey and Gilles Peres?to infer that all cadavers were Tutsi victims of an orchestrated Hutu genocide; meanwhile the text was racist disinformation produced by Joshua Hammer. Newsweek, June 20, 1994. ICTR defense attorney Christopher Black reports that reliable sources confirm that US Special forces were with the RPF all the way through the war. "My client testified in June that U.S. Hercules [C-130 military aircraft] were seen dropping troops in support of the RPF?" Further, on 9 April 1994, three days after the so-called "mysterious plane crash" where Burundi's President Cyprien Ntaryamira and President Habyarimana were assassinated, some 330 U.S. marines landed at Bujumbura's airport in Burundi, ostensibly to "rescue Americans" in Rwanda. More centrally however, Uganda?with U.S. trained forces and U.S. supplied weaponry?launched its war against Rwanda as a proxy force for the United States of America on October 1, 1990. The result was a coup d??tat: we won. The 2003 Frontline interview with Alison Des Forges exemplifies her continuing role in whitewashing U.S. involvement in war crimes and genocide in Central Africa. "Kagame received his military education under the Pentagon's Joint Combined Exchange Training (JCET) at the Command and General Staff College of Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, beginning in 1990," wrote John E. Peck of the Association of African Scholars (2002). "His sidekick, Lt. Col. Frank Rusagara, got his JCET schooling at the U.S. Naval Academy in Monterey, California. Both were dispatched to Rwanda in time to oversee the RPF's takeover in 1994. Far from being an innocent bystander, the Washington Post revealed on July 12, 1998 that the United States not only gave Kagame $75 million in military assistance, but also sent Green Berets to train Kagame's forces (as well as their Ugandan rebel allies) in low intensity conflict (LIC) tactics. Pentagon subcontractor Ronco, masquerading as a de-mining company, also smuggled more weapons to RPF fighters in flagrant violation of UN sanctions. All of this U.S. largesse was put to lethal effect in the ethnic bloodbath that is still going on." "This genocide resulted from the deliberate choice of a modern elite to foster hatred and fear to keep itself in power," Des Forges wrote, blaming "Hutu Power". However, her assertions about a "planned" Hutu genocide?"They seized control of the state and used its machinery and its authority to carry out the slaughter"?collapse under scrutiny. >From 1990 to 1994, the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), comprised most heavily of Ugandan soldiers led by Ugandan citizens like Paul Kagame, committed atrocity after atrocity as they forced their way to power in Kigali, always falsely accusing their enemies?the power-sharing government of then President Juvenal Habyarimana?of genocide. "Kagame assigned some people to work with Alison Des Forges," says Ugandan Human Rights activist Remigius Kintu, "and also to assist her in fabricating and distorting stories to suit Tutsi propaganda plans." According to the International Forum for Truth and Justice in the Great Lakes Region of Africa, whose discoveries resulted in the high courts of Spain issuing international indictments against 40 top RPF/A officials: "Between 1990 and 1994, the RPA waged a systematic, pre-planned, secretive but highly organized terrorist war aimed at eliminating the largest number of Rwandan people possible?bodies were hacked to pieces and incinerated en masse. >From 1994, once the RPA violently seized power, a terror regime was created, and developed, and a criminal structure parallel to the state was set up to pursue pre-determined kidnappings; torturing and raping of women and young girls; terrorist attacks (both directly and by simulating that the same had been perpetrated by the enemy); illegal detention of thousands of civilians; selective murdering; systematic elimination of corpses either by mass incineration or by throwing them into lakes and rivers; indiscriminate attacks against civilians based on pre-determined ethnic categories for the elimination of the predominant ethnic group; and also to carry out acts of war in Rwanda and Congo." Before former President Habyarimana?s assassination on 6 April 1994, Des Forges, and the organizations she worked with, blamed the whole war crimes show on President Habyarimana and his government, they dismissed the illegal invasion and atrocities of the RPF/A, and they began calling it genocide against the Tutsis as early as 1992. "In the Military II case Alison Des Forges admitted that she was funded by USAID when she was part of that so-called International Commission condemning the Rwandan Government [under Habyarimana] for human rights violations," reports Canadian Chris Black, a defense attorney at the ICTR, "and she admitted that she just took the word of the RPF and pro-RPF groups and that she did not deal with RPF atrocities, as she did not have the time." Chris Black notes that Des Forges presented reports to the ICTR in certain legal cases that were decidedly doctored from the original reports presented in previous cases against other accused Hutu genocidaires, and that it was necessary to cross-examine Des Forges "very forcefully" to get her to agree that changes had been made to the reports presented as evidence in the case being tried. "In her expert report in the 2006 Military II trial against General Ndindiliyimana," Chris Black adds, "she removed all the positive things she had said about him in her book and in her previous expert report in the [Colonel Th?oneste] Bagasora case. When asked by me why she deleted the positive view of him at his own trial, and why she tried to hide the fact that he saved a lot of Tutsis, among other things, she had no explanation. It was a cheap, low thing to do and I can tell you even the judges here at the ICTR were not too happy about it." On December 18, 2008, after the protracted ?Military I? trial, the judges at the International Criminal Tribunal on Rwanda ruled that there was no conspiracy to commit genocide by former Rwandan military leaders affiliated with the former Habyarimana government. It was war, and the actions?far from a calculated genocide?were found by ICTR judges to be "war-time conditions". "The media reports of the December 18 judgment [Military I] at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda focused primarily on the convictions of three of four former top military leaders, who were the supposed ?masterminds? of the Rwandan genocide," wrote ICTR defense lawyer Peter Erlinder. "But, as those who have followed the ICTR closely know, convictions of members of the former Rwandan government and military are scarcely newsworthy." Since the inception of the ICTR its decisions have been decisively biased?victor?s justice?in favor of protecting the Kagame regime and its backers. Thus it is no surprise that the former top military leaders of the Habyarimana government?Colonel Th?oneste Bagosora and Major Aloys Ntabakuze?were sentenced to life imprisonment for acts of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. "The real news was that all of the top Rwandan military officers, including the supposedly infamous Colonel Bagosora, were found not guilty of conspiracy or planning to commit genocide," writes Erlinder. "And General Gratien Kabiligi, a senior member of the general staff, was acquitted of all charges! The others were found guilty of specific acts committed by subordinates, in specific places, at specific times?not an overall conspiracy to kill civilians, much less Tutsi civilians." Now, after more than 15 years of massive western propaganda proclaiming an organized, systematic elimination of the Tutsi people by the Hutu leaders of the former Rwandan government, the official Rwanda genocide story has finally collapsed. In contradistinction to the establishment narrative accusing the "Hutu leadership" of an "organized" and "planned" genocide were the countless acts of genocide committed through a spontaneous uprising of the Hutu masses?people who had been brutalized, disenfranchised, uprooted and forced from homes; people who had witnessed massacres and rapes of family members; people who were themselves the victims of brutal atrocities. These were more than a million internally displaced Rwandan Hutus, people who had been terrorized by the Rwandan Patriotic Army from October 1990 to April 1994, as it butchered its way into Rwanda; and possibly a million Burundian refugees, Hutus who suffered massive reprisals in Burundi after the first civilian President, Melchior Ndadaye, a democratically elected Hutu, was assassinated by the Tutsi military in October 1993. There is evidence that the RPA/F pursued "pseudo-operations"?death squads committing atrocities disguised as government soldiers?and evidence that at least some of the infamous Interahamwe militias pursued their campaigns of terror in the pay of the Rwandan Patriotic Front/Army. "She concealed the fact that from 1990 the war caused an unprecedented economic poverty and that the one million internally displaced people tore the social fabric apart!" wrote Dr. Helmut Strizek, a former German official who had called for Des Forges? resignation from HRW. "And these people knew that Tutsi rebels caused their misery. They did not wait for ?instructions? in order to revenge, once no one was able to maintain public order after the April 6 assassination and resumption of hostilities by the RPF." "Alison Des Forges is no longer," writes Charles Onana. "Peace be with her soul! She nonetheless leaves behind her many victims of injustice, who she painstakingly accused, using false testimony, before the International Criminal Tribunal Court for Rwanda (ICTR)." Alison Des Forges provided expert testimony in 11 genocide trials before the ICTR, including the ?Military I? trials that condemned Col. Theoneste Bagosora and two others on December 18. Des Forges also testified in genocide trials in Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Canada. Charles Onana continues: "Among her victims there is Jean-Paul Akayesu, the first to be condemned to life imprisonment for genocide. This man, who Alison Des Forges had accused without any proof against him, was even defended by a Tutsi from the Patriotic Rwandan Army [RPA] who had been party to the fabrication of the ?incriminating? evidence against him in Rwanda. The Tribunal never listened to this witness, but they did listen to Alison Des Forges." "I have also discovered during the course of my investigations into the ICTR that, at the start of the trial in 1997, she introduced a forged fax that was purported to be written by General Dallaire in 1994. This fax, maintained Des Forges, concerned the 'planning of genocide?." New Yorker staff writer Philip Gourevitch spread the mythology of "The Genocide Fax" far and wide. Gourevitch?s first pro-RPF/A disinformation piece appeared in the New Yorker in December 1995; in May 1998 the New Yorker published Gourevitch?s "The Genocide Fax," a charade fed to him by Madeleine Albright?s undersecretary of state James Rubin. Gourevitch?s fictional book "We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families" was funded by the euphemistically named U.S. Institute for Peace and written in league with the Kagame regime. It is certainly possible that Alison Des Forges was unaware of the original fabrication, but she and Human Rights Watch never changed their tune, and they never denounced the fabrication. Charles Onana continues: "It was on the basis of this false document that she called for the condemnation of Jean-Paul Akaseyu. To lend credibility to this first trial process, the ICTR, with astonishing lightness and irresponsibility, condemned this man to life. The Tribunal had no proof. The judicial dossier is slapdash and skimpy, but that has no importance. This was Alison Des Forges first great victory." "She then decided to pursue a Rwandan refugee living in Canada: an ideal target," Onana adds, referring to Leon Mugesera. "He had the misfortune to be Hutu. For her, this man was a ?planner of genocide?. But where is the proof? Alison Des Forges has none, but she wants to see this man in prison. Having deciphered or seen through Alison Des Forge?s arguments, the Judge of the Canadian Federal Tribunal concluded witheringly and without pity: ?I note above all the relentlessness with which Mme Des Forges launched her diatribe against M. [Leon]Mugesera, and am astonished by the lack of care she has demonstrated in drawing up the report for the International Commission of Enquiry and in her Expert Assessment.?" "The Canadian judge did not hesitate to qualify Mme. Des Forges as partisan, demonstrating ?a prejudice or preconceived position against L?on Mugesera?. He concluded that she could not be considered an objective witness, adding that no correctly informed tribunal could take her allegations seriously. Nevertheless it was on the basis of the same arguments, and of the same fantasy report published in 1999, that she accused numerous Rwandans, all Hutu." "CONTINENTAL SHIFT," one of Philip Gourevitch?s pivotal disinformation essays that appeared in the New Yorker, outlined the "new brand of African leader" exemplified by Yoweri Museveni and Paul Kagame: it is a whitewash of U.S.-backed terrorism. "It was thus that she devoted the penultimate day of her examination, during the process against the military, to presenting Colonel Bagosora, Hutu, as the king pin in the genocide. The Tribunal in the long-running ?Military I? trial did not accept the ?planning of genocide? that Alison Des Forges never ceased to hammer on about by means of her pseudo-fax of 11 January 1994. She lied, lied and lied again. She tried a come-back or to recover her credibility by criticizing her ?hero? Paul Kagame, the organizer of the 6 April 1994 assassination of two presidents." "Alison Des Forges finally dared to speak of the crimes committed by the Tutsi rebels of the RPF/A: the great taboo. It was a bit late but it assuaged her conscience. For those who were condemned by the ICTR, deliberately and unjustly recorded by her, there will be no justice for them. Can Alison Des Forges still hear their suffering and their pain? She who has done them so much harm?along with their families? She who claimed to defend the Rights of Man has without doubt violated the rights of many Rwandans, who will undoubtedly never forget her. Their homage to Mme. Des Forges would have been different, very different, to what her many friends in the media have to say." Timothy Longman and Des Forges, the co-authors of the HRW treatise, "Leave None To Tell The Story," both worked with USAID, the U.S. State Department and the Pentagon. Des Forges was a member of the HRW board from 1988 and was "principal researcher" on Rwanda and Burundi, 1991-1994. In this period Des Forges also consulted for USAID, and collaborated with the State Department, Pentagon, and National Security Council. Simultaneously, Des Forges worked with, informed and influenced U.S. Congress-people, Permanent Representatives at the United Nations, the U.N. Under-Secretary General, and U.N. Special Rapporteur for Rwanda and Special Rapporteur for Summary and Arbitrary Executions. Des Forges also pumped the disinformation into the academic world through her high-level ties to human rights committees, African and Africana Studies departments and the elite African Studies Association. In the same period, Des Forges constantly influenced the U.S. media through special briefings to the editorial boards and reporters of the New York Times, Washington Post, National Public Radio, and Associated Press, and she was frequently presented as an "expert" on genocide in Rwanda for CNN, 60 Minutes, Nightline, All Things Considered, BBC, Radio France Internationale, and the Canadian Broadcasting Company. Such relations explain the mass media?s consistency in producing the monolithic disinformation about Rwanda that shielded the illegal U.S.-backed and covert RPF/A- Ugandan guerrilla insurgency. The blanket media coverage falsely situated the "Rwanda genocide" as it is now widely misunderstood: 100 days of genocide, 800,000 to 1.2 million Tutsis killed with machetes; the "highly disciplined" RPF/A stopping the genocide. Such is the disinformation that indoctrinated the English-speaking media consumers and created a mass psychological hysteria about Rwanda that persists to this day. Timothy Longman worked with Des Forges in Rwanda in 1994 and has worked regularly with both USAID and HRW on contracts in Congo, Burundi and Rwanda, throughout the late 1990?s and into the present; Longman worked in Rwanda on one USAID contract for Management Systems Incorporated, a firm whose clients include the Pentagon. Longman also worked as a consultant for HRW in the spring of 2000 conducting field research in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo and producing "a detailed report on human rights conditions in rebel-controlled areas." The Des Forges and Longman position vis-?-vis their whitewashing of the Tutsi-led RPF/A organized genocide in Rwanda certainly explains the sanitation of HRW reports, and it raises questions, for example, about how Human Rights Watch "researchers" navigate their "work" in rebel (read: Rwandan and Ugandan) controlled areas in DRC. It also raises questions about how, why and when HRW does or doesn?t expose the western operatives, non-government organizations and multinational corporations: a singular example is the Human Rights Watch report that mildly exposes the criminal operations of Anglo-Gold Ashanti?a company partnered with the George H.W. Bush connected Barrick Gold Corporation?in eastern DRC. HRW says nothing about Moto Gold, Mwana Africa, Banro Resources, Hardmann Oil, Tullow Oil, De Beers, H Oil & Minerals, OM Group, Metalurg, Kotecha, International Rescue Committee?and the many proxy armies, militias, gun-runners and other organized white collar war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Congo. The role of HRW as an intelligence conduit to the U.S. Government is incidentally confirmed by Samantha Power in her book "A Problem from Hell: America in the Age of Genocide"?a whitewash of U.S. and allied war crimes for which she was rewarded with a Pulitzer Prize. While Power?s "bystanders to genocide" thesis about Rwanda is a total inversion of the facts, she notes in passing that "Human Rights Watch supplied exemplary intelligence to the U.S. Government and lobbied in one-on-one meetings" in April and May 1994, and that Alison Des Forges and other HRW staff visited the White House on April 21, 1994. Samantha Power is currently a member of the National Security Council in the Obama Administration. The mass media was flooded with "Rwanda genocide" disinformation between April and July of 1994, and advertising that served up subliminal seduction and white supremacy often surrounded these "news" clips. Alison Des Forges continued to remain silent about Western corporate and military interests in the Great Lakes region to her death. A perfect example of this silence is the very unrevealing March 2008 interview by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum titled "Alison Des Forges: The Impact of Rwandan Genocide in Congo." Timothy Longman also produces significant pro-US propaganda about Sudan. Thus it is important to note that amongst the key USAID conduits for disinformation and covert operations in Sudan today is Roger Winter, one of the primary architects of the RPF/A guerrilla war, organized from Washington in 1989, that led to the loss of millions of lives in the Great Lakes of Africa since October 1990. Alison Des Forges, of course, never mentioned Roger Winter or his colleague in covert operations, Susan Rice, the Obama Administration?s Ambassador to the U.N. Of Roger Winter, Remigius Kintu, the Ugandan Human Rights activist says "he was the chief logistics boss for the RPF until their victory in 1994...." "Roger Winter was with the RPA on the front lines in Rwanda and he regularly briefed the Clinton Administration of the RPA?s military achievements," says Jean Marie Vianney Higiro, former Rwandan official. "Alison Des Forges contributed to the RPF/A takeover of Rwanda. I have no doubt about that? I met her three times, first in 1995, and in 2004 she encouraged me to testify at the ICTR. I said 'no way: I will only testify if RPF officials are arrested.' She insisted I should testify, she was confident that the RPF were going to be arrested. I think she did not realize that the U.S. government would never accept that. She was something of an opportunist." The zeal displayed by Alison Des Forges and Human Rights Watch in the pursuit of justice and human rights appears in sharp contradistinction to their absence of zeal in pursuing the architects of the criminal invasion of Rwanda on October 1, 1990, by Uganda, the double presidential assassinations of April 6, 1994, and all kinds of other murderous corporate conspiracies in Central Africa where foreign-financed wars are used as cover for illegal extraction of resources, particularly in the Congo. Ironically, as the world this week commemorated the 15th Anniversary of the terrible mass murders that followed the assassination of the presidents, Rwandan asylum seekers that are critics of the Kagame regime live under perpetual fear of being hunted down, branded as genocide perpetrators, ostracized, and persecuted by an illegitimate dictatorship. Forty of the regime's military officials have been indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide by two international courts. Kagame?s ruthless Directorate of Military Intelligence has dispatched agents to Europe to eliminate RPF opponents; some of these agents are operating under cover as bogus asylum-seekers in Europe and North America. As of January 20, 2009 the U.S. Department of Homeland Security began reopening all cases of Rwandan asylum seekers, and is criminalizing and threatening to deport legitimate refugees to Rwanda, actions that violate the 1951 United Nations High Commission for Refugees Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. For more reporting by Keith Harmon Snow please see www.allthingspass.com Please post your comments on the website or send them to milton at blackstarnews.com "Speaking Truth To Empower." Keith Harmon Snow is the 2009 Regent's Lecturer in Law & Society at the University of California Santa Barbara, recognized for over a decade of work, outside of academia, contesting official narratives on war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide while also working as a genocide investigator for the United Nations and other bodies. Milton Allimadi, Publisher/CEO The Black Star News Publishing Co. P.O. Box 64, New York, N.Y., 10025 (212) 481-7745 Please visit also visit www.blackstarnews.com From: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com To: matthieuwy12 at juno.com Subject: Congo War Criminals Try To Elude Justice Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:46:02 -0500 http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=122&a=5289 Milton Allimadi, Publisher/CEO The Black Star News Publishing Co. P.O. Box 64, New York, N.Y., 10025 (212) 481-7745 Please visit also visit www.blackstarnews.com From: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com To: matthieuwy12 at juno.com Subject: RE: Don't Legitimize Rwanda/Uganda Genocide in Congo Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:11:41 -0500 Keep me informed. Once there is a date I can help promote it. Where do you teach? Milton Allimadi, Publisher/CEO The Black Star News Publishing Co. P.O. Box 64, New York, N.Y., 10025 (212) 481-7745 Please visit also visit www.blackstarnews.com From: matthieuwy12 at juno.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:38:24 +0000 To: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com Subject: RE: Don't Legitimize Rwanda/Uganda Genocide in Congo Please note: message attached Hi Milton, I will work on your suggestions. I heard that Congolese community has planned to protest in New York and in DC this month. Thanks a lot. Matthieu. ____________________________________________________________ Want to work from home? Study to become a certified medical transcriptionist at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbu1Va8Ds2blraLz5DSHKAYHWeBnHOTAcWF4MgbvFf9ueU59O/ --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com To: matthieuwy12 at juno.com Subject: RE: Don't Legitimize Rwanda/Uganda Genocide in Congo Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:06:35 -0500 Greetings. I went to Journalism school at Columbia. I have a contact there and I'm trying to work on an auditorium there maybe for late Spring in order to host a Conference On Stopping Genocide in Africa.....definitely it would focus on Congo, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi and the Sudan. I will keep you posted. In the meantime, the Congolese community should organize a protest outside the United Nations and demand that the security council act on the recent UN report showing Rwanda's complicity in Congo genocide and demand for (a) indictment and arrests of Nkunda and Kagame and (b) arms embargo against Rwanda (c) sanctions against any corporation benefitting from Blood Minerals from Congo regards, Milton Milton Allimadi, Publisher/CEO The Black Star News Publishing Co. P.O. Box 64, New York, N.Y., 10025 (212) 481-7745 Please visit also visit www.blackstarnews.com > From: matthieuwy12 at juno.com > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:44:45 +0000 > To: miltonallimadi at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Don't Legitimize Rwanda/Uganda Genocide in Congo > > Hi Milton, > > I just receive the following link that shows the genocide going on in the Congo. How can we publish it even more? If you can, please, do. > > Matthieu. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > M. Yangambi, > > Je ne sais pas comment vous remercier pour cette reaction. Il le fallait > bien. > > Voici le message que j'envois a plusieurs organisations et eglises d'ici. Je > viens de creer cette page. > > http://www.congovision.com/congoholocaust1.html > > A holocaust is a holocaust. 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Why does he be-little our integrity?* On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, odhiambo okecth wrote: > I take great exception to todays issue of Madd Madd World in the Standard > Newspaper. > > The reference of Eastlandoz as the home of thugs is an abuse that we cannot > accept. That Eastlandoz who wanted to go to carnivore mugged people to > enable them go there is an affront on the integrity of us who stay in > Eastlands. > > I demand an apology from Madd. I do not mug to enable me access places like > Carnivore. I also know many people who stay in Eastlands who live honest > lives. > > This issue is abussive to us. > > Odhiambo T Oketch > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > -- '...a chapter a day keeps the devil away...' --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From jmunyi at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 12:40:43 2009 From: jmunyi at yahoo.com (Julie Munyi) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Anybody with a valid international passport to cantact me immediately In-Reply-To: <306874.99546.qm@web63008.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <211020.76018.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hallo David,my name is Julie,i work with the International Montessori School,(kindergarten teacher)and would like to be hook up with a job.pleas get back to me.and kindly lemmi know the requirements Thanking you in advance --- On Sat, 4/4/09, David Slaid wrote: > From: David Slaid > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Anybody with a valid international passport to cantact me immediately > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 1:31 AM > Hallo everybody, > > If you have a valid international passport and some work > experience in any field, kindly contact me directly to my > email address so that I hook you up with some jobs available > in Canada, USA and UK. This is real, you can as well call me > on 0720 607013. > > Have a lovely weekend. > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, karegwa muchiri > wrote: > > From: karegwa muchiri > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: WHY I LOVE SAFARICOM > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > #yiv20312417 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv20312417 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > Loaning credit is not any genius for Safaricom to brag > about . It happens all over Europe and United States. Infact > as you exit major airports and dont plan to use the sim card > again some foreigners? just loan themselves credu and then > catch flight leaving vodafon or Tim in debt..... > > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:47:13 +0300 > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: WHY I LOVE SAFARICOM > From: odhiambo at gmail.com > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Edward Mungai > wrote: > > I just cant believe there are people here who just cant see > the sheer ability of safaricom to value add! Value Added > services are?offered by a service provider to ALL, but > should be taken by THOSE who need them. Its like a massage > parlour...we dont always buy everything, now, do we? > > Ed, > > If I was working at Safaricom as part of their Product > Research & Development, I'd do it another way. > Rather than force a loan to someone in distress, I'd > simply allow them that call for free and tie it to 3minutes > under the same terms & conditions, i.e. allowed once per > week, safcom->safcom, etc. > > Perhaps that would make some weak souls vuka back to > suffericom, which I believe is the aim of the campaign. > ? > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > man is when he is a baby." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood > > > > > > check out the rest of the Windows Live?. > More than mail?Windows Live? goes way beyond your > inbox. > More than messages > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From okoth at kiplagat.com Sun Apr 12 11:27:42 2009 From: okoth at kiplagat.com (okoth at kiplagat.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:27:42 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] MIgingo row a shame In-Reply-To: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2007972361-1239550078-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-477911719-@bxe1115.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Whereas one cannot argue with the need for the integration of the whole of E. Africa into one strong market, there are some historical facts that we cannot walk away from or turn a blind eye to, unless we merely want to sound academic elites and no more. If we want to be real and bring practical solutions however, we'll have to accept that we live in countries whose political boundaries were created by the colonialists, and that these boundaries have now given us our identities and to a large extent, our value systems, our opportunities et cetera. You can therefore say you are a Kenyan, Ugandan or Tanzanian. Depending on the policies and leadership, a country then becomes progressive, poor, corrupt et cetera. The import of the above is that we are stuck with certain historical facts and can just see what best we make of them during our 'sorjourn' in life. But can we hope 2 make ambitious and novel ideas like the E African Common Markets work if we cannont respect the territorial rights of our neighbours, even if its over 'some small rocky island' in lake Victoria? Eduh you'll be forgiven for relegating the importance of Migingo to such insignificance, but believe u me, it is not. For one if (as is the fact from historical maps and long usage) the rocky island belongs to the Kenyan territory, then the erection of Ugandan flag thereon, the uninvited presence of Ugandan forces thereon , and the imposition of taxes by Ugandan authorities are a clear declaration of war by that country on Kenya! As a matter of fact, its worse, its an indication that Uganda has actually forcefully occupied and alienated to itself part of Kenya! It need not be an occupation stretching all the way to Naivasha (as Idi Amin once intended) in order for it to be significant! Secondly, I was born and grew up in Karungu Bay, and as a boy in the late 60s, we used to have brief stops at Migingo- then largely unoccupied- to roast fish and snack before taking the trip back to Sori at Karungu mainland. Very many people from Nyandiwa and Kagoro in Gwasi as well as Aneko and other beaches towards Muhuru used to do the same. There was never any dream that there would be visitors from as far as Uganda. Infact the advent of Ugandans on this rocky island came so recently when fishing of Nile Perch gained commercial significance and it was found that for some reason, that fish specie abound around that area. Even then, the Ugandans were so few that nobody paid them any serious attention. Yet like the proverbial camel, now they are ejecting the hosts, and subjecting the latter to taxation! Third, the island may just be some rocky patch to Eduh, but to the 4-500 Kenyan fishermen there, and the other un numbered others who call there daily and go, as well as the other Kenyan businessmen supplying groceries and other necessities, its their lifeline. Should we be less vigilant in protecting those people's rights merely because they are an insignificant percentage of the population? So long as they are citizens of this country, they are entitled to all rights which other citizens have. The larger East African Market will have no meaning to them if their plight is not looked into now and satisfactorily addressed. Fourth, the oath of office as by our Laws Prescribed enjoins the Chief Executive- the President- to protect the borders of this state, without giving a distinction that some may be 'rocky and tiny' or prime and massive. And this duty does not cease to be there because there is a broader agenda of the E African integration. Infact the latter is not a constitutional obligation, though a desirable economic initiative. One could go on 'ad infinitum', but I think the simple fact is that Uganda is currently in occupation of Kenyan territory and are displaying every intention of not leaving it soon. Big quetion is, what is Kenya doing about it? Our president had occassion to comment on the issue during his tour of the Western Province, and for good reason, Kenyans in that part of the country waited with baited breaths. At the end of it, every one was asking the other what exactly he had said. He went on about the friendship between the two countries, how the citizens of both countries had co-excisted for eternity past, and how we will continue- in other words, with respect to the burning issue, the president said a lot of nothing! The approach of our leader on this issue is very curious to say the least. The initial agreement reached when the Kenyan delegation went for discussions was that both sides were to remove their forces as the team of experts worked on determining the true position of the boundaries. This was merely a soft landing for Uganda as the boundaries were and are known to both sides. But then the Ugandans withdrew their Marine Police and replaced them with troops complete with ammunition and all! This happened even as Museveni, like Eduh, wondered how we could be arguing over a small rocky island when the bigger issue of E African market was being pursued! Our president? Nil by mouth! But we were excited with the news of the president meeting Museveni in Lusaka recently, and presumably discussing the matter following the 'impasse' during the second attempt by our ministers. The immediate development however was that the Ugandan troops on the 'rocky island' were increased! So I, like my MP for Nyatike Mr Edick Omondi Anyanga, now wonder what exactly our president discussed with Museveni on the issue! Either they failed to agree and Museveni decided to proceed with his own agenda, or, and God forbid, our president betrayed his oath of allegiance to the people of this country and its constitution! In the latter case, he agreed with the occupying force to continue in occupation, and this would explain his failure to even comment about the increase of the troops! In the former, we should have been seeing some preparation for any confrontation in defence of the territory and state of kenya, but none of that is going on! In either case, we are now at the mercy of a foreign bully! How safe are the other islands like Mageta or even Mfangano from Museveni who has now discovered the soft underbelly of our leadership? And will there come a time when our president will find a justification to stand up to protect the citizenry from external aggression? It was very easy to get our forces from the barracks during the internal post- election strife, is that the reason they get recruited and trained and equipped at great expense to the tax payer? Its also fresh in the minds of some of us caught by internal post- election strife that Ugandan forces gained access to the country and seriously harrassed the civilians along the lake region. Could there be a connection between the president's curious handling of the current situation with the post- election events? We are owed, not just protection by our government, but also an assurance that we are indeed equal citizens of this Republic entitled to all rights available to the other citizens. And no one can convince us that any larger regional treaties entered into with an expansionist like Museveni would work if he has no respect for other 'smaller' territorial rights. That kind of arrogance brought down the former E African Community, and would bring down any other effort at integration. Oriema Okoth. Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: Eduh Mpole Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:25:20 To: Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] MIgingo row a shame _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 13:35:26 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] A failure to read the writtings on the wall! Message-ID: <131692.24796.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This last week, I heard a story with a very sad ending; a story that clearly demonstrates what happens when we either fail or ignore to read the writings on the wall! It was a story of a church that was finally forced to disband due to few members and low giving that can not help run the church, leave alone paying the pastor! The church was founded in 1955, and since then has had a lot of members and numerous pastors. Ten years ago, the total membership was 380 strong members. Today, the attendance has dropped to 60! Wow! With no hope of increasing the membership, they decided to disband, as each member finds anew church to call home. As you can imagine, some, if not all the members are hurting! Speaking with some of the members, I would feel the hurt as they put the blame on the pastoral staff for failing to read signs on the wall. Like them, many are they, who fail to read the signs until its forever too late! I will cite some examples: -Many pastors, fail to read the mood of the parishioners, and or take some of them for granted. Before they are aware, the church is empty! -Many couples live on denial.Yes, they are so much aware of some things that need to be addressed but instead, they keep hoping that the situation will improve! They wake up one day, to find that one has reached a point of no return! -Some leaders take their citizens for granted. They come to appoint whereby they are almost sure that the citizens are so powerless to do anything! But if you have been following the news in some countries, a time comes that the people take to the streets, resolved never to give up until their demands are met! So, what lessons if any, have I learned? Here they are! -Learn to read the signs and the mood of the people. -Know when to change course and do the right things. -Know when its enough to give up on certain things. There are people who keep on making mistakes without ever learning anything. When everything/everyone around you begin either to attack you, distance themselves from you, or spend hours talking about you, then know that things are headed South! Reading signs, listening for advice, changing the course, and giving up before its forever too late, is much better that regretting later on! Indeed, I was touched by the disbanding of the church and learned many lessons that will assist me in doing the right thing! How about you? Do you ever learn from the signs on the wall? Just a thought! Pr Birai From skgichane at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 06:12:55 2009 From: skgichane at gmail.com (sospeter gichane) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:12:55 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d0f790a0904110312q636cc945m30d246bd11386ce@mail.gmail.com> I have seen the arguments here; my take is, accord Hon Raila his due respect! If Raila is the problem, then accord his office the respect due. I cant imagine him landing in a place with no place to relieve himself! If you lay a flag for him, then make sure its worth the office. no two way about it guys! Besides, why should the coast PC be in Nbi to see off the Prezzo yet he is not available to discuss provincial issues with the PM? On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM, ed moses wrote: > > Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the > trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs > his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the > accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday > watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered > something that my father used to tell us...that it is the small things that > big things are made of. > > I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about > toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on > the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? > Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm also wondering (..*from > this email to the PM's ear*), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM > earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his > desrespect?Like we would learn from the good book, I think he should now > learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work > even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen > many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont > need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, > the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him > fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona > aje? > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Bunge la Mwananchi Kisumu network leaders invites to their press conference on "fresh polls debate" tomorrow. I am writing to request you to send your reporters to? cover the ativity. See details below. Thank you for your support! ? George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi +254720451235?????? W: www.bungelamwananchi.org Facebook: Bunge la Mwananchi ? Bunge la Mwananchi is a?member of?NCSC ? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: jacob odipo Date: Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM Subject: To: grnnyongesa at yahoo.com Cc: mwananchibunge at gmail.com Hi george Kisumu bunge la mwananchi we are plannig to give press statement onmwananchi review of the coalition government and also declare our stand on fresh elections. Press statement? is scheduled for tomorrow 12th /4/09 at 10am kisumu sports ground upper hotel the contact person is joshua nyamori of cellphone0715127193 mail jnyamo2ooo at yahoo.com or betty okero will send you her mail and cellphone.The press statement is still being prpared? once through will send you to proof readit. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 08:48:53 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] JOURNALISTS ARE THE ENDANGERED LOTS IN KENYA AS THREATS AGAINST THEIR LIVES FROM BOTH POLICE AND POLITICIANS INTENSIFIED. Message-ID: <575972.16091.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> JOURNALISTS ARE THE ENDANGERED LOTS IN KENYA AS THREATS AGAINST THEIR LIVES FROM BOTH POLICE AND POLITICIANS INTENSIFIED. Report by Leo Odera Omolo JOURNALIST WORKING IN Kenya have of late come under serious threats on their lives following the killing last mo nth by a Kisii based correspondent. The killers of Mr. Francis Mokua Nyaruri have so far not yet booked despite an assurance by the police that they were vigorously investigating the grisly murder in a thicket nearly 40 kilometers away from his Nyamira rural home. Nyaruri decomposing headless body was discovered in the bush at Kodera Forest in Rahuonyo district close to one week after his family had reported that the scribe was missing. According to eye witnessed, among them the hunters {antelopes poachers} who tumbled on the body, the journalist appeared to have been killed elsewhere and his body transported to the forest. His head was severed off in an attempt to conceal his identity. A number of Kenyan newsmen have been beaten up and even tortured by the police. Their crimes, is only for exposing corruption practices within the society. Attack on the news en is on alarming increase. In some incidences their tormentors have gone a notch high to an extent of destroying their tools of works such as video camera and other equipment at will. And the latest incident of such well reported threats to the life a reporter is revealed in the letter written by one of the largest media houses to the Commissioner of Police. The newspaper group has written to the Government expressing concern over threats to the life of one of its reporters who was recently in the headlines for having declined to accept bribery money and exposed the story of the death of a school girl in the dormitory of a private school owned by a wealthy businessman. The management of Standard Group, the publishers of the oldest, and perhaps the best newspaper in this region, the STANDARD wrote to the Commissioner of police Maj. Gen. Hussein Ali urging him to ensure the safety of its reporter Mr. Alex Kiprotich who is based in Nakuru town about 100 kilometers from the Capitol, Nairobi. Kiprotich last month hit the headlines when he turned down a bribe of Ksh. 70,000/- to dissuade him from filling the story on the mysterious death of a pupil at Gilgil Hills Academy. The fears expressed by the Standard Group is not an isolated one from the blue. Only a month ago a dismembered body of Francis Mokua Nyoruri, a Kisii based prolific writer and a stringer with the Weekly Citizen Newspaper was discovered by hunter (antelope poachers) in a thicket at Kodera Forest in Rachuonyo District about 40 kilometers from his Nyamira District home. Mokua Nyoruri had earlier expressed fears for his life after receiving numerous death threats on his mobile phone following persistent report exposing massive corruption by the traffic police. He had also came to loggerhead with the local police boss following a report, which he had filed detailing corruption in police force in matter related to housing development scheme at the local police station. Nyaruri?s family members had pointed an accusing finger at the police bosses in Nyamira but to date nobody has ever been brought to book and charged with the heinous crime. The journalist head was severed of his body apparently an act by his killers to cover his identity. In a letter dated April 9, 2009, Mr. Paul Wanyagah, the Group Managing Director, which is also copied to the Group?s Deputy Chairman and strategy advisor Poul Melly and other media houses in Kenya, the Director requested the Police boss to investigate on the matter. The Standard Group would like to bring to your office?s attention that Alex Kiprotich has been receiving several messages intimidating and even threatening his life. ?It is our belief that some of these threats are likely to be emanating from criminal elements believed to have links with the police?, the letter read in part. It adds, ?as our reporter is now living in fear for his life and not even sure whether to report the same or not to the police, we would be most appreciative if your office urgently attended to this concern and further to request for an urgent investigation into the matter. ?We seek a guarantee and assurance of our reporter Alex Kiprotich?s safety. On March 15th the Standard Group carried the story of a cry for justice by distraught parents of the girl (12) who died under mysterious circumstances last July inside the School dormitory. Mr. Joseph Koech and his wife Rose have for the last eight months sought to know what caused the death of their daughter, Linda Chepkorir at the Institution. The proprietor of the Gilgil Hills Academy, Mr. Isack Kamunya Waithaka was on March 17th, 2009 charged in court with the offence of trying to corruptly influence the journalist with Ksh. 70,000/- to forbear him from publishing the article on the dath of the pupil. Waithaka who was arrested by the Kenya Anti Corruption Commissionsleuths in a well organized trap and caught red-handed while counting a huge bundles of currency note to entice the journalist. He has since denied three counts of corruption. The case is before the Nakuru Resident magistrate Court. Another complaint was filed this week by the former Kabete MP Paul Muite who revealed that his life was in danger after he had received information from informers that the crack General Service Unit (GSU) of the Kenya Ploice operating under the code name of Kwekwe Unit have been instructed to eliminate him. The former legislator, however, did not elaborate whether he knew those masterminding for his elimination. But his trouble is believed to have come about following his generalized accusation against the first family in connection with an incident three years in which the Offices of the Standard Newspapers and its sister KTN Television station were raided by hooded men who vandalized the equipment, destroyed thousands of copies of newspapers, took away computers and beat up the staff. Muite wrote to the Hague based International Court of Criminal Justice (ICCG) and has since refused to appear before the Kenya police to record a statement so that the matter could be investigated. Freelance reporters working in rural districts and urban towns have had their turn in arbitrary arrest, torture and senseless beatings in the hands of the police. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 11 14:10:12 2009 From: steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk (steve ogeda) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS Message-ID: <283855.27953.qm@web27204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> well said --- On Sat, 11/4/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS To: madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "kol" , "ccr" , "progressiveminds" , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: "mulembe" , mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, "mwananchi" Date: Saturday, 11 April, 2009, 12:25 PM Brother, You have seen this thing very clearly. Constitution has become a milch cow and all and sundry must talk about the constitution to ensure that they remain relevant. Even non reformers like Martha Karua have been embraced by some hotel loving NGOs to talk about the way forward when it is clear that Martha was the single force behind the civilian coup of 30th December 2007. in defense of Kenya, I assign you number 10. You must score the goals and help Kenya remain peaceful as we plot how to remove all the non reformers from power through electoral means. That is it. Make sure you defend the Kenyan goal; 1] The Goal Keeper; 2] Right full back; 3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo 4] Central defender; 5] Stopper; Kuria-Mwangi 6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch 7] Right winger; 8] Central Midfielder; 9] Striker; James Nduko 10] Distributor; Fwamba NC Fwamba 11] Left winger; Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators. They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, crispus fwamba wrote: From: crispus fwamba Subject: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS To: kptj-communications at fahamu.org, bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com, "ProgressiveMinds" Cc: kenva at yahoogroups.com, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "WESTERN PROFESSIONALS" , "Young Kenyans" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:11 AM IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW OUR ONLY REMEDY The constitutional review has been a song sang since early 90s by majority of Kenyans under the leadership of a number of civil society organizations like the National Constitutional Executive Council. Activities of such organizations helped us attain an awareness level to most of Kenyans on the importance of reforms through constitutional review. However it?s unfortunate that it?s almost two decades since the introduction of multipartyism whose campaign was spearheaded by a number of the current people in government. The constitutional review process has instead become a serious impediment to any reforms in this country because Kenyans have been made to believe that real change can only come through a constitutional review. this has also given opportunity to those who are anti reforms to have a clear picture of what would stand on their way in maintain the status quo.therefore the anti reform forces who are beneficiaries of corruption which includes irregular land allocations to use all their energies and positions of power to ensure there are no reforms that might interfere with their comfort. It?s also notable that most of those who agitated for change while in opposition changed their language immediately they got opportunities to serve in government. It?s a known fact too that a number of non governmental organizations exist on the sole reason of pursuing constitutional changes in the country and the general feeling is that they will be rendered insignificant once the we have a new constitution. Given these circumstances, Kenyans need to redefine a new way of implementing reforms or rather having a new constitution without involving the usual stakeholders who have been squabbling over the way to the reforms. If we still believe that reforms can only be achieved through constitutional review then we need to have different players other than politicians or those with vested interests. It has been a daunting task for Kenyans who even went on to believe that by voting in pro reform leaders into parliament, it was going to be easier to have a people driven constitution which was eventually a proven futility citing examples of Prof Kivutha Kibwana?s days in parliament and the current presence of the likes of Mutava Musyimi and others. It?s therefore evident that all Kenyans in positions of leadership are obstacles to constitutional change in Kenya. This is the same cause of our inability to attain this long fought potential historic achievement in 2005 when we went to the referendum because of tension and vested interest s by leaders from different sectors of political and civil society leadership. In the same vain was the national accord that was signed by the President and the Prime Minister in order to halt clashes that resulted fro a disputed presidential election. For the same reasons of the process driven by a political class, the Serena talks went into disarray immediately the agenda on power sharing was cleared. Agenda four which had a lot to do with the reforms is now being treated as a minor issue by the same political class that agreed on power sharing. It?s for this reason that I believe that our political class will never address issues on agenda four. This is the reason as to why some people have decided to agitate for piecemeal reforms which have still been rendered useless because of legal arguments based on current constitutional references. It is therefore imperative that we have a radical approach on the process or else we will never have a new constitution in this country and that means we will never be able to address reforms in this country whose implementation is based on constitutional interpretation. When NARC government took reigns of power from Moi, Kenyans were very optimistic and Kibaki who those days seemed to still care about his reputation as the hope for change, created a number of commissions which included the Ndung?u commission on land that produced the report which can now only be termed as having been a public relations exercise. It has since been a nightmare to implement because there is no mandatory constitutional obligation for its implementation. So it can authoritatively be argued that in a way the constitutional review process has in itself been an obstacle to reforms in this country. The same forces that have been ensuring that we don?t get a new constitution are still very influential in the country. Therefore if we divorced the constitution from the political class, it may be easier for us to achieve change or altertnatively, Kenyans have a duty to think of another way of achieving change other than the constitution. It?s mind boggling conscientiousness to every progressive force in this country. Changing the process or the method is the only right direction we must take to achieve change. FWAMBA NC FWAMBA BOX 41046, Nairobi 0736170218 http://kenyayoungvo tersalliance. blogspot. com http://fwambancfwam ba.wordpress. com http://fwambancfwam ba.blogspot. com __._,_.___ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Nimmos Waweru I agree with you.? Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want.? We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and ?fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day.? We are the ones who are?stupid.? We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again.?We are the ones to chart out our destiny.? We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho.? These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi.? Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with?? What will we tell our children?? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. ? Umoja ni nguvu..... ? ? Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same? government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top.? People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki? old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire.? Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM? parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look???..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military? land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians? also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling? in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, > ? > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda.? There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.? > ? > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government?to do the same before the next election.? This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. > ? > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place.? Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule.? There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail.? This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. > ? > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in?the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there. ?Now who of the two do we take to task.? Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next?step?? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they?are completely defeated, they we?move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. > ? > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him?directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. > ? > How about that?? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to? power? he? kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila? is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files? protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg >? scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money? bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the? Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in >? future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians? dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To:? Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > > ? > > Folks, > > ? > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point.?He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia?and?Cohorts with Cartels. ?Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery.? In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float,?although they faults here and there, the > storm?at > > sea?did not?let?them float in calmness as?they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him?and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks?humbled him on his knees to plead for > >? your favour at your mercy. ?Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like > chameleons?? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared. ?In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change > > without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. > > ? > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... > > ? > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans?at peace in?harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > > ? > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace?by giving in > > and?adjustments letting?Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership.? > But > > now?on this one I choose to disagree with you.? > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ > > ? > > What is?destroying the?majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa.?Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully. ?Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? > > ? > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers?Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending.? You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come.? > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for?generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > > ? > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts........ > > ? > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > > ? > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........? > > ? > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you,? Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about?our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited?from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > > ? > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of?????????????????????????? > u > > from central keep quite. > > ? > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > > ? > > ? > > Airport....................Same > > ? > > ? > > Tribal Bonding..........same > > ? > > ? > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by???????????????????????????? > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > > ? > > ? > > I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > > ? > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 20:49:49 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Getting Ready for An All-Inclusive Kenyans Meeting with President Obama In August Message-ID: <686908.86298.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? From: jbatec at yahoo.com Subject: Getting Ready for An All-Inclusive Kenyan Meeting with President Obama In August To: "dickens odhiambo" Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 9:10 PM Odhis et al, ? Please circulate and spread the word to all Kenyans Abroad living in USA to get themselves ready for an all inclusive?homely and relaxed United Get-Together meeting with President Obama at the White House sometimes in August 2009, date and time will be confirmed later.? ? Any burning issues, proposals, consultations?or questions concerning preparation or matters for consideration to be addressed by President Obama at?the?comming meeting?can be?directed to Judy Miriga (email - jbatec at yahoo.com) early in advance.? ? All are welcome.? Please confirm your availability and attendance by email. ? Happy Easter and God Bless you all. ? Thanks ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 11:28:15 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Message-ID: <866017.43775.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dr. Nyandoto et al, ? My point is clear and I seem to agree with Waweru.? Lets put our case straight point by point and see how it makes sense and lets compare notes then strategize way forward if that makes sense too.? Time is against us and Kenya is in tatters. ? 2007 election became Null and Void so Coalition Government was formed to chart out and streamline the Constitution reform bla bla bla bla ready for next election, while this is happening, both PNU and ODM share Government management 50/50 deal no matter who stole the election or who have more elected members in parliament.? Once constitution making is completed (the core of demand), election was to be called, which means, if both PNU and ODM are committed, then this could have easily taken only six months and election is called.? As far as I believe and know it, Kenyans have no government.? Where I blame both PNU and ODM, they both engaged into more serious corruption, killings, graft and stealing galore without repremanding or getting rid of their exposed corrupt members, instead they rewarded them handsomely and eleveted them to higher position. ? Now in the event that majority poor?Kenyans are heavily burdened feeling the brunt of their selfish leaders?with their?mean actions they continue to tactfully engage in squables wasting time with no reform, playing drama with Kenyans livelihood while at the same time, they are?busy campaiging for 2012 - they do not care for lives that are lost from their careless and selfish behaviour - this is criminology of the worse order. ? This is what we must agreed upon to do if all is well with you folks..............? Once agreed we must go with it to the kilt..................We must force Kofi Annan and Un Commission Team with the World Leaders to buy our proposals without wasting time, so to save Kenya and lives of poor Kenyans.........That.........a thief is a thief wether from ODM or PNU and all must not be re-elected...... yes that too?must be?agreed.........anyone who does not care for the lives of the people of Kenyans have no business to be in leadership.........................We must restore discipline, good life and order back to Kenyans...............when we all have the will, nothing can stand on our way.....yes, count me on this one.........Kenyan people (all tribes and cross-breed) are beautiful and we must commit ourselves to salvage Kenya, that I agree with you totally.....................I thank Waweru and I appreciate for his outstanding contributions and I hope to trust and believe in Waweru to bring on board other Kyuks who care for Kenya and are willing to debate and take effect on reform agenda and who think in like mind and?in line with our proposals - this is because Kenya?can only be whole and?complete with everyone on board?........... deliberating for Kenya and Kenyans, putting fixtures where fixing is needed.? We must agree to disagree and conclude putting right what needs to be put right for the sake of all Kenyans livelihood, survival and the future of Kenya in a transparent sober?deliberation and?that Kenya is for all Kenyans without exception.? That is what my mission for dialogue is all about.....I will stand for that to the end......? ? Consequently, we must :- ? 1) Give them ultimatum of two months to clean the house and sack and charge those implicated in corruption, investigate and?overhaul Police force - with Reform Agenda No. 4 put in place ? 2) Incase none of PNU and ODM take immediate action on those corrupt?goons in their camps, investigate police boss Mr. Ali, Muhoho from stealing Airport Institution land and facilities, recover Migingo Island and drive Uganda force out of Migingo, reposesses stolen Kenyan assets,?complete the?constitutionalizing of the reform agenda package, ?come next election be it 2012 or earlier, they will have demonstrated inability and ineffectiveness to provide?efficient?leadership qualities?which already?have caused?too much?pain and loss to majority poor Kenyans?with unneccessary deaths from careless and poor foresightedness of mismanagement skills, therefore, both Kibaki and Raila will then be automatically be disqualified as candidates come next election.? ? 3) Lives in Kenya are at stake and the spin of livelihood feeder (socio/economic business and investment) circulation and distribution stopped.? The poor are dying enmass daily for lack of food and basic needs, this is because government machinery is dysfunctional - so this too is criminal against the coalition government i.e. PNU and ODM - we are not going to take blame game when people are dying and Kenya is dangerously left exposed to enemies or to enemies of Kenya's allys. ? 4) Kenyans cannot go through so much pain and loss without time factor limitation put in effect to?leaders whose heads have gone bananas.? They have lost direction and are leading Kenya to total destruction.? This is because, we cannot put lives of Kenyans anymore on line?where two mad leaders have decided to destroy Kenyans?and?loot from Kenyans mercilessly just because they cannot do away with their corrupt members ? 5) An Interim Government must therefore be instituted immediately with the UN Commission including Kofi Annan with Eminent Leaders after two months lapses i.e. by June 2009, the company of UN Commission must take effect - this is?as a result of security risk which now prevails in Kenya along with looming external forces from diverse terrorists influences.? ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Judy & Waweru et al. I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on? one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind. The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings,? Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were? Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?. I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days???I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very? friendly,smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans.???What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment. So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if? Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?.? Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need? or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is? too late. Best regards Paul Nyandoto >>> Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33? >>> Nimmos Waweru I agree with you.? Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want.? We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and? fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day.? We are the ones who are stupid.? We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny.? We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho.? These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi.? Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with?? What will we tell our children?? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. Umoja ni nguvu..... Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same? government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top.? People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki? old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire.? Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM? parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look???..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military? land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling? in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, >? > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda.? There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.? >? > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government to do the same before the next election.? This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. >? > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place.? Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule.? There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail.? This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. >? > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there.? Now who of the two do we take to task.? Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next step?? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. >? > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. >? > How about that? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to? power? he? kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila? is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files? protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg >? scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money? bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the? Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in >? future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians? dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To:? Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > >? > > Folks, > >? > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels.? Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery.? In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float, although they faults here and there, the > storm at > > sea did not let them float in calmness as they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for > >? your favour at your mercy.? Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like > chameleons? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared.? In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change > > without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. > >? > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... > >? > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > >? > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in > > and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. > But > > now on this one I choose to disagree with you. > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ > >? > > What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully.? Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? > >? > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending.? You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come. > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > >? > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts...... . > >? > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > >? > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........ > >? > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you,? Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > >? > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > u > > from central keep quite. > >? > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > >? > >? > > Airport....................Same > >? > >? > > Tribal Bonding..........same > >? > >? > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > >? > >? > > I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > >? > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In his party are genocidal thugs like Ruto, Ntimama who have killed thousands based only on their tribe during the Moi and Kibaki era. What kind of leader is Raila.....? He will fail just like his dad. Lastly is the joker Musyoka. This bafoon has been in gvt for over 20 years and his constituency Mwingi is one of the worst hit by famine for years. His poor, illiterate voting base cannot even see how badly this man has let them down. ? The bottom line is Kenya has no leaders. We have a bunch of power hungy ego maniacs that will only make the nation worse. I fear for Kenya. Sorry, but I owe your friend Raila NOTHING, I owe Kibaki NOTHING and I owe Kalonzo NOTHING. My loyalty is to Kenya and its millions of poor, AIDS suffering and frustrated masses. ? Keep you tirbal politics to yourself...!! ? Dave --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: [panafricanistforum] Uhuru Kenyatta To: "africa-oped" , "bbc" , "BBC" , "ccr" , "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "kol" , letters at eastandard.net, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, mailbox at nation.co.ke, news at ktnkenya.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, publiceyet at aol.com, "youthagenda" Cc: africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, editor at nation.co.ke, editors at newsweek.com, "jaluo" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, "mulembe" , "mwananchi" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "panafricanist" , "ugandacom" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:02 AM Comrades, Do you understand Uhuru Kenyatta? Honestly, can this boy lead Kenya? What with that hatred he habours against the Luo? Can Uhuru unite Kenyans? Let us all love Kenya and seek permanent peace. Let all Kenyans unite behind Raila Odinga. He won the last elections and we all owe him one. 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Mailbox ************************************************************ Black on the Red Cover-Up By John Burl Smith One of many Americans, who were astounded by the Bush administration's response to the nation's financial crisis, William K. Black has written extensively about the governmental cover-up of the red ink drowning America's banking system. The election of Barack Obama was seen as a chance not only to address the historic problems of slave descendants and righting of the ship of State but also an opportunity to dam the red ink gushing from Wall Street. However, it is becoming increasing clear that Mr. Obama has jumped into the raging red torrent without a life line or jacket for the American people, simply to save his biggest financial contributors. Appearing on Bill Moyers Journals, Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the University of Missouri ? Kansas City (UMKC), Black provided a jolting analysis and assessment of the causes and culprits of the current economic crisis which has shaken confidence in the integrity of Obama's economic team and congressional oversight. According to Black, like the Bush administration, the Obama economic team, led by Timothy Geithner, is engaged in a massive cover-up of the fraud that was and still is rampant in the banking industry. Prof. Black revealed that had the "Prompt Corrective Action" (PCA) law been faithfully applied this crisis would have been avoided. Far too extensive to be adequately covered here, Black's interview makes clear, based on the PCA, that those in charge of fixing the bank crisis are either complicit in bank fraud, involved in the cover-up or extremely ignorant of a law that defines their job under the current circumstances. For instance, over the last few weeks, Congress and the White House argued over how to handle the "excessive bonuses," while the PCA states specifically how to handle the situation. The problem, according to Black is, "Timothy Geithner and other regulators have refused to follow the law as it pertain to mandatory provisions which ?require minimum and automatic supervisory action' and ?mandatory closure' of banks before they become insolvent. As head of the New York Fed and a colleague of then Secretary Paulson, Mr. Geithner and other top federal banking regulators were complicit by failing to comply with the PCA law." More astoundingly, during congressional hearings, not one Congressman asked Geithner or other regulators about their enforcement of PCA provisions of troubled banks. Moreover, Geithner is now offering a stress test for troubled banks, rather than enforcing the law already on the book. Here again the problem is integrity. Geithner's efforts seem designed to avoid exposing the cover-up and how he, as Chairman of the New York Fed, did not follow the PCA in regulating banks under his jurisdiction. The division between the US and the EU at the recent G-20 meeting at which President Obama wanted Europeans to follow his lead and throw money at their banks was a tip off. The US fought international regulation of banks to avoid opening up US bank books to foreigners' scrutiny and exposing the cover-up of US banks' insolvency. Congress passed the PCA law (1991) to correct problems exposed during the S&L debacle. They believed regulators bowed to political or industry pressure ("regulatory capture") and delayed placing failed banks into receivership, which greatly increased cost to taxpayers. Congress identified "supervisory delay in closing insolvent banks," as the problem and mandated "prompt corrective action." The PCA provisions of FDICIA created a structured system of supervisory responses. Once tangible equity capital dropped below two percent of total assets, bank would be forced into receivership within 90 days. The massive recapitalization of banks evaded enforcing PCA. "Prompt corrective action" by bank supervisors is aimed at minimizing expected losses to the deposit insurer and taxpayer by limiting supervisors' ability to engage in forbearance -- leaving the senior officers that caused bank failure in control. Economists and white-collar criminologists broadly agree that "forbearance" creates particularly severe risks to the taxpayers. It also prevents efforts to obtain an honest evaluation of assets and criminal referrals. So, promptly placing failed banks in receiverships reduce taxpayer costs and systemic risk. The PCA was also designed to reduce banks' incentive to engage in moral hazard. "Moral hazard" can lead to both "reactive" control fraud and wildly imprudent risks. Such potential problems were recognized and recommendations to policy makers in countries like Japan, Korea and Mexico were adopted. However in the US, resolution include: (1) the government assuming control of the failed bank, firing the senior managers and removing equity holders from any governance role, and (2) the government returning the bank's assets to private control through some combination of sale to a healthy bank or banks, new equity issue, or liquidation. Specifically, no bank may make a capital distribution (dividend or stock repurchase) if after the payment the bank would fall in any of the three undercapitalized categories. Such banks must submit a capital restoration plan for approval by the bank's supervisor. Significantly, undercapitalized banks face growth restrictions including no "bonuses and raises" to management. Critically, undercapitalized banks must be placed in receivership within 90 days. Black asks, "So, the fundamental question is why has the nation been forced to pay for this disastrous Paulson/Geithner policy of covering up these huge bank losses, while leaving CEOs and senior officers that caused the losses, often through fraud, in power? How many who voted for Mr. Obama believed he would continue Bush's failed financial regulatory policies?" There is a "consensus among economists and white-collar criminologists that failing banks should have been placed into receivership rather than being re-capitalized by government. Given the terrible cost to taxpayers due to ?forbearance' during the early years of the S&L debacle, Japan covering up its bank losses, and the great success of US re-regulating S&L industry," why has Mr. Obama adopted this failed red ink strategy? "Re-regulating the S&L industry was not simply an economic success; it restored integrity, honest accounting, prompt receiverships, and rooted out control frauds. This led to over 1000 felony convictions related to the S&L debacle ? the greatest criminal justice success in history against elite white-collar criminals." For anyone who desires to read the interview go to www.pbs.org/moyers/journal. Bit of History Charles Ponzi (1882 ? 1949) Born Carlo Pietro Giovanni Guglielmo Tebaldo Ponzi in Lugo, Italy on March 3, 1882, Charles Ponzi's family may have once been wealthy and perhaps part of the aristocracy, at least according to the tales told to him by his mother when he was a child. She charged him with restoring the family's name and fortune. Ponzi joined his father briefly as a postal worker, a job that ended with his acceptance to the University of Rome La Sapienza. Unfortunately, his circle of friends did not take the pursuit of education seriously. A follower, Ponzi joined his friends in treating the experience like a "four-year vacation" of "bars, caf?s, and the opera." Ponzi failed to acquire a degree. Hoping to make his fortune in America, where "the streets were paved with gold" or so he was told, Ponzi arrived aboard the S.S. Vancouver in Boston on November 15, 1903. Having gambled away most of his savings during the voyage, Ponzi arrived in the US with $2.50 in his pocket. Ponzi quickly learned English and spent the next few years doing odd jobs along the East Coast. After taking a job as a dishwasher in a restaurant, where he slept on the floor, Ponzi worked his way up to the position of waiter; he was fired for shortchanging the customers and theft. In 1907, Ponzi moved to Montreal, where he became an assistant teller in Banco Zarossi, a bank started by Luigi "Louis" Zarossi, who paid 6% interest on bank deposits - double the going rate. Ponzi rose to bank manager only to learn the bank had made bad real estate loans and that Zarossi was funding the interest payments by using money deposited in newly opened accounts. The bank failed and Zarossi fled to Mexico with a large portion of the bank's money. A penniless, Ponzi was later arrested for forgery and spent three years in a prison near Montreal. After his release in 1911, Ponzi returned to the US. Caught in a scheme to smuggle Italian illegal immigrants across the border, he spent two years in Atlanta Prison, where he became a translator for the warden. Upon his release from prison, Ponzi returned to Boston, where he met and married Maria Gnecco. Ponzi worked at a number of businesses, including his father-in-law's grocery, before hitting upon an idea to sell advertising in a business listing. Unable to sell the idea, his company failed. When he received an international reply coupon (IRC) in a letter from Spain inquiring about his catalog, Ponzi decided he could make money by buying these coupons in one country and selling them in another. Ponzi borrowed money to send to relatives in Italy, where postage was relatively cheap; he planned to redeem them in the US. This form of arbitrage, profiting by buying an asset at a lower price in one market and selling it in another was not illegal. However, when he tried to redeem the coupons in the US, he ran into an avalanche of red tape. Nonetheless, Ponzi sought investors for his scheme, promising them double their investment in 90 days. Ponzi started the "Securities Exchange Company," setting up shop on School Street. The business grew and Ponzi hired agents, paying them generous commissions for every dollar they brought in. By July 1920, Ponzi had made millions. People were mortgaging their homes and investing their life savings in his company. Ponzi lived luxuriously. His rapid rise naturally drew suspicion. After printing a favorable article on Ponzi's company on July 24, 1920, the Boston Post's acting publisher Richard Grozier and city editor Eddie Dunn were suspicious and assigned investigative reporters to check Ponzi out. He was also under investigation by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. By August 1920, Ponzi's house of cards had come crashing down. On August 12, Ponzi surrendered to federal authorities; he was charged with 86 counts of mail fraud to which he pleaded guilty to a single count and was sentenced to five years in federal prison. After serving three and a half years, Ponzi was indicted on 22 counts of larceny by the state of Massachusetts. Ponzi sued, claiming that as a federal prisoner he could not be tried by the state. The case, Ponzi v. Fessenden, made it all the way to the Supreme Court. In a 1921 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that plea bargains on federal charges have no standing regarding state charges. It also ruled that Ponzi was not facing double jeopardy because Massachusetts was charging him with larceny while the federal government charged him with mail fraud. In October 1922, he was tried on the first 10 larceny counts and was eventually sentenced to seven to nine years in prison as "a common and notorious thief." In 1925, Ponzi was released on bail while appealing his conviction; he went to Jacksonville, Florida and launched the Charpon Land Syndicate, selling swampland in Columbia County and promising investors 200 percent returns in 60 days. Indicted by a Duval County grand jury in February 1926, he was charged with violating Florida trust and securities laws. A jury found him guilty and the judge sentenced him to a year in the Florida State Prison. Ponzi appealed his conviction and was freed after posting a $1,500 bond. Ponzi traveled to Tampa where he shaved his head, grew a mustache, and tried to flee the country as a crewman on a merchant ship bound for Italy. He was caught in New Orleans and sent back to Massachusetts to serve seven more years in prison. Ponzi was released from prison in 1934 and ordered deported to Italy, where he jumped from scheme to scheme. Benito Mussolini gave him a job in the financial section of his government. However, he mismanaged things so badly that he was forced to flee to South America--but not before taking an undisclosed amount from the Italian treasury. Ponzi spent the last years of his life in poverty, working occasionally as a translator. His health suffered: A heart attack in 1941 left him considerably weakened. His eyesight began failing, and by 1948 he was almost completely blind. A brain hemorrhage paralyzed his right leg and arm. Ponzi died in a charity hospital in Rio de Janeiro on January 18, 1949. (Sources: http://forum.wgbh.org/lecture/ponzis-scheme-true-story-financial-legend and http://wikipedia.org) Venue for an Artist Running Backwards By Mumia Abu-Jamal Few sciences are more complex than economics, for despite the plethora of formulas claiming to define its workings, economics remains a bedeviling mystery that confuses and confounds the best minds time and time again. That's often because our economic ideas are formed not only by our experiences but by our beliefs, and as such, we defend our ideas based not on evidence, but on our theoretical constructs -- again, what we believe. We are free marketeers, or Keynesians; we follow the theories of Adam Smith, Henry George, David Ricardo or Karl Marx the way we follow our favorite basketball team, win or lose. Sometimes those theories blind us to the bigger game of life outside our doors. Much of the current economic crisis is the direct result of the economic theory of deregulation, made, not under George Bush alone, but in the waning days of the Clinton administration. For it was in 1999 that Clinton's treasury secretaries, first Robert Rubin, and later Larry Summers, advocated the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, a 1933 law which prohibited commercial banks and investment banks from functioning in the same house. The reason? None other than ole FDR. President Franklin D. Roosevelt explained as much in his famous "Fear Itself" inaugural speech of 1933, when the nation was reeling in the grips of the Great Depression. Roosevelt said,"...there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people's money..." In November 1999 President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, essentially repealing Glass-Steagall, by tearing down the brick wall between commercial and investment banks. The securities industries went on a tear, making millions, billions and then tens of billions on speculation with other people's money-- until the house of cards came crumbling down in November 2008. The speculation business didn't just become toxic. It was poison in the 1930's, and came back to life in the late '90's more poisonous than ever. By then, both political parties were parties of deregulation, for both were instruments of corporate power, and both were the authors of today's Great Recession, if not the Depression to come. News You Use Durban Review Petition An online petition drive seeks to address the absence of the US at the upcoming Durban Review Conference. Below are excerpts from the petition, which can be read in its entirety and signed at www.petitiononline.com/Durbanii/petition.html. If you agree and sign this petition, please copy and paste the URL for mass distribution. To the world citizens...US Refusal to Participate in Durban Review Conference: African Americans and People of Color Speak for Ourselves! The election of Barack Obama as US president was an important development in the direction of democracy. It represented an ideological blow against the hold of racism and white supremacy on national political elections. Many Blacks and People of Color worldwide have great hopes that his election among other things, represents a leadership willing to take a strong stand against racist US and global policies, systems and governments. The refusal of the Obama administration to participate in the Durban Review Conference on racism to be held in Geneva on April 20 to 24, 2009, without preconditions that restricts the conference from addressing the issue of Reparations and the racist and genocidal nature of Israel's oppression of Palestine, is truly a big disappointment. It not only departs from one of the important meanings of the Obama election - unifying a political majority in opposition to racism; it represents a total disregard for the collective agreement of the vast majority of the world on the issue of Reparations and is an act of complicity with violations of human rights as stated in the United Nation's Charter. While the United States and western governments boycott the Durban Review Conference, the impact of the international economic crisis continues to deepen the historic vestiges of centuries of racism, devastating poverty, and all forms of discrimination and injustice upon People of Color inside the US and throughout the world. It is a major cause of the ethnic cleansing which we have witnessed in parts of Africa, resulting in the deaths of millions. Little attention has been given to the fact that in the U.S. alone, it was Black and Latino communities who were the targets of the unjust and discriminatory subprime loan schemes of Wall St. and the financial markets. These loans preyed upon the legitimate aspirations of millions of Black and Latino families for adequate housing and home ownership. Various analyses of the housing market crisis indicate that Black and Latino communities are disproportionately impacted and will "lose between $164 billion and $213 billion" as a result of predatory lending, thrusting thousands into economic crisis, homelessness, poverty, devastation. We are witnessing the speed of the US government in granting trillions of dollars of the people's funds, to bail out the banks and corporations which are part of the historical chain perpetuating the oppression and violation of human rights against Africans, African descendants and Peoples of Color nations and communities. Yet the US refuses to address the demand for reparations by the victims of oppression, as an essential component of the equality and democracy it claims to champion inside the US and internationally. We have submitted petitions and made appeals to the US government to participate in this important conference, without success. Its participation in a preparatory meeting, gives a false impression that the US government is really committed to ending racism inside the US and around the globe. In the US's refusal to attend this conference, we see a continuation of the policies of the previous administrations, magnified by the Bush administration, of refusing to be accountable to democratic standards and decisions arrived at by the UN and other international bodies. We therefore call on the Durban Review Conference to recognize the voices of African American and People of Color delegations and coalitions from organizations and social movements throughout the US in this important deliberation, to arrive at a report that frames, mandates, informs, reviews and reinforces accountability to international conventions and standards on human rights. Hood Notes Foreclosure Fraud Millions have already lost their homes to foreclosure. According to the Hope Now Alliance, some 2.9 million people were 60 days or more past due on their mortgages as of January 30, 2009. An estimated six million households are expected to face foreclosure in the next several years. Add to this toxic financial mix are the foreclosure con artists that prey on homeowners desperately seeking to save their homes. Finally the regulators are issuing warnings and promising to clamp down on foreclosure fraud. In a joint announcement on Monday with the Justice Department, Federal Trade Commission, Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Illinois Attorney General, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner declared war on foreclosure scam artists. According to Geithner, "American homeowners have been through enough in the past few years. The last thing they need is to get scammed as they struggle to keep their homes. These predatory scams callously rob Americans of their savings and potentially their homes. We will shut down fraudulent companies more quickly than before. We will target companies that otherwise would have gone unnoticed under the radar." The Federal Trade Commission has sent warning letters to 71 companies it says were running suspicious advertisements and has filed five new civil cases to halt illegal loan modification scams. Attorney General Eric Holder says the FBI is investigating about 2100 mortgage fraud cases. Despite the beefed up efforts to prosecute foreclosure fraud, homeowners must be vigilant to avoid becoming victims. There are thousands of enterprises operating to bilk the unsuspecting. Be particularly leery of advertisements claiming to help consumers "Get out of debt, stop foreclosure now and payday loans in one hour." People, if it sounds too good to be truly it probably is! Disgruntled feels: Conflicted! Some folks are operating under the misconception that being black makes President Barack Obama beyond black scrutiny. We should bite our tongues and not criticize him, even when he does things we disagree with. Hogwash! As president, Mr. Obama is in charge and should receive the same degree of scrutiny and suspicion by blacks that we visited upon his predecessors. Mr. Obama is doing nothing special to help the black situation; he has earned no special consideration. Blacks should in no way be conflicted about this. Disgruntled says: The country has gone to hell in a hand basket. Fraud abounds from the west coast to Maine. Big and little crooks, scheming and scamming, are being arrested and charged with money crimes. Even federal prosecutors are bending the rules. In dismissing the corruption conviction of former Alaska Senator Ted Stevens (R), US District Judge Emmet Sullivan scolded the Justice Department lawyers for mishandling witnesses and withholding evidence. He appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the Justice Department lawyers. Note, this turn of events in no way exonerates Stevens, who could very well be guilty. It is just the prosecutors did not operate within the law to secure the overturned conviction. I would not be surprised if one or more members of the federal prosecution team was working behind the scenes for the candidate that won Steven's former Senate seat to join the other crooks in that august body of criminals. The system is broken; the foxes ar e in charge of the henhouse! Disgruntled wants to know: A massive fraud has been perpetrated against the American people and a significant portion of the rest of the world. The sheer scale and magnitude of this Ponzi scheme make what Bernard Madoff did pale in comparison. Former US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, his successor Timothy Geithner, the Federal Reserve and others in the Obama administration are colluding with the criminal financial sector to cover up the nature and scope of this fraud. Our Congress is either asleep or complicit. Question is, when will the American people awake and demand jail time for these criminals, rather than allow them to continue to sup at the trough of the US treasury? Mailbox: E-Mails, Faxes and Phone Calls Email www.ap.com ...Idaho man pleads guilty to major VA fraud case...A former Idaho sheriff's deputy who falsely claimed he was paraplegic has pleaded guilty in a $1.5 million disability fraud case that a US attorney said is the largest in Veterans Affairs Department history. James M. Sebero accepted an agreement with prosecutors and pleaded guilty Monday to charges of wire fraud and making a false statement. Sebero, a former Bonner County, Idaho, sheriff's marine deputy, agreed to forfeit personal assets and to pay $950,000 in restitution, and could face 20 years and a $250,000 fine when he is sentenced July 10. 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AG questions credit rating companies...Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal is questioning why up to $400 million in federal bailout money is going to the big three credit rating agencies that he says helped create the economic meltdown. Blumenthal on Monday said that he is investigating why a $1 trillion government bailout program designed to unfreeze credit markets steers money to Moody's Fitch and Standard & Poor's and shuts out their six smaller competitors. He said the companies may have violated antitrust laws, and he alleged they overrated toxic assets before the meltdown. Email www.msnbc.com ...SEC: Texas Ponzi scheme targeted Chinese-Americans...A Canadian man who dubbed himself the "Chinese Warren Buffett" faces federal charges of running a Ponzi scheme that targeted primarily Chinese-Americans and has left millions of dollars of unaccounted for, the Securities and Exchange Commission announced on Monday. A federal judge in Dallas last week granted the SEC's request for emergency relief for investors, freezing the assets of Weizhan Tang, 50, of Toronto, and several of his businesses, including Texas-based WinWin Capital Partners LP, and Bluejay Investment LLC. Tang raised between $50 and $75 million from about 200 investors for his Canada-based hedge fund, Oversea Chinese Fund Limited Partnership, and operated a Ponzi scheme with the hedge fund since at least 2006, according to the SEC. **************************************************** For comments, questions or to unsubscribe, email thedish at ga.net. ***************************************************** From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 11:28:15 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Message-ID: <866017.43775.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dr. Nyandoto et al, ? My point is clear and I seem to agree with Waweru.? Lets put our case straight point by point and see how it makes sense and lets compare notes then strategize way forward if that makes sense too.? Time is against us and Kenya is in tatters. ? 2007 election became Null and Void so Coalition Government was formed to chart out and streamline the Constitution reform bla bla bla bla ready for next election, while this is happening, both PNU and ODM share Government management 50/50 deal no matter who stole the election or who have more elected members in parliament.? Once constitution making is completed (the core of demand), election was to be called, which means, if both PNU and ODM are committed, then this could have easily taken only six months and election is called.? As far as I believe and know it, Kenyans have no government.? Where I blame both PNU and ODM, they both engaged into more serious corruption, killings, graft and stealing galore without repremanding or getting rid of their exposed corrupt members, instead they rewarded them handsomely and eleveted them to higher position. ? Now in the event that majority poor?Kenyans are heavily burdened feeling the brunt of their selfish leaders?with their?mean actions they continue to tactfully engage in squables wasting time with no reform, playing drama with Kenyans livelihood while at the same time, they are?busy campaiging for 2012 - they do not care for lives that are lost from their careless and selfish behaviour - this is criminology of the worse order. ? This is what we must agreed upon to do if all is well with you folks..............? Once agreed we must go with it to the kilt..................We must force Kofi Annan and Un Commission Team with the World Leaders to buy our proposals without wasting time, so to save Kenya and lives of poor Kenyans.........That.........a thief is a thief wether from ODM or PNU and all must not be re-elected...... yes that too?must be?agreed.........anyone who does not care for the lives of the people of Kenyans have no business to be in leadership.........................We must restore discipline, good life and order back to Kenyans...............when we all have the will, nothing can stand on our way.....yes, count me on this one.........Kenyan people (all tribes and cross-breed) are beautiful and we must commit ourselves to salvage Kenya, that I agree with you totally.....................I thank Waweru and I appreciate for his outstanding contributions and I hope to trust and believe in Waweru to bring on board other Kyuks who care for Kenya and are willing to debate and take effect on reform agenda and who think in like mind and?in line with our proposals - this is because Kenya?can only be whole and?complete with everyone on board?........... deliberating for Kenya and Kenyans, putting fixtures where fixing is needed.? We must agree to disagree and conclude putting right what needs to be put right for the sake of all Kenyans livelihood, survival and the future of Kenya in a transparent sober?deliberation and?that Kenya is for all Kenyans without exception.? That is what my mission for dialogue is all about.....I will stand for that to the end......? ? Consequently, we must :- ? 1) Give them ultimatum of two months to clean the house and sack and charge those implicated in corruption, investigate and?overhaul Police force - with Reform Agenda No. 4 put in place ? 2) Incase none of PNU and ODM take immediate action on those corrupt?goons in their camps, investigate police boss Mr. Ali, Muhoho from stealing Airport Institution land and facilities, recover Migingo Island and drive Uganda force out of Migingo, reposesses stolen Kenyan assets,?complete the?constitutionalizing of the reform agenda package, ?come next election be it 2012 or earlier, they will have demonstrated inability and ineffectiveness to provide?efficient?leadership qualities?which already?have caused?too much?pain and loss to majority poor Kenyans?with unneccessary deaths from careless and poor foresightedness of mismanagement skills, therefore, both Kibaki and Raila will then be automatically be disqualified as candidates come next election.? ? 3) Lives in Kenya are at stake and the spin of livelihood feeder (socio/economic business and investment) circulation and distribution stopped.? The poor are dying enmass daily for lack of food and basic needs, this is because government machinery is dysfunctional - so this too is criminal against the coalition government i.e. PNU and ODM - we are not going to take blame game when people are dying and Kenya is dangerously left exposed to enemies or to enemies of Kenya's allys. ? 4) Kenyans cannot go through so much pain and loss without time factor limitation put in effect to?leaders whose heads have gone bananas.? They have lost direction and are leading Kenya to total destruction.? This is because, we cannot put lives of Kenyans anymore on line?where two mad leaders have decided to destroy Kenyans?and?loot from Kenyans mercilessly just because they cannot do away with their corrupt members ? 5) An Interim Government must therefore be instituted immediately with the UN Commission including Kofi Annan with Eminent Leaders after two months lapses i.e. by June 2009, the company of UN Commission must take effect - this is?as a result of security risk which now prevails in Kenya along with looming external forces from diverse terrorists influences.? ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Judy & Waweru et al. I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on? one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind. The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings,? Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were? Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?. I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days???I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very? friendly,smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans.???What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment. So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if? Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?.? Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need? or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is? too late. Best regards Paul Nyandoto >>> Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33? >>> Nimmos Waweru I agree with you.? Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want.? We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and? fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day.? We are the ones who are stupid.? We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny.? We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho.? These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi.? Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with?? What will we tell our children?? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. Umoja ni nguvu..... Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same? government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top.? People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki? old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire.? Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM? parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look???..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military? land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling? in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, >? > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda.? There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.? >? > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government to do the same before the next election.? This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. >? > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place.? Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule.? There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail.? This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. >? > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there.? Now who of the two do we take to task.? Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next step?? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. >? > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. >? > How about that? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to? power? he? kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila? is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files? protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg >? scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money? bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the? Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in >? future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians? dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To:? Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > >? > > Folks, > >? > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels.? Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery.? In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float, although they faults here and there, the > storm at > > sea did not let them float in calmness as they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where.? Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for > >? your favour at your mercy.? Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement?? Why do you guys act like > chameleons? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared.? In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart.? We now know you cannot change > > without force.? Your selfishness is deep skin. > >? > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort.? We know it...... > >? > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > >? > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in > > and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance.? Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. > But > > now on this one I choose to disagree with you. > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai.? Lakini you guys are too much........ > >? > > What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully.? Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.? > >? > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally.? And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama.? It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending.? You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come. > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > >? > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts...... . > >? > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > >? > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........ > >? > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you,? Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding? that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > >? > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > u > > from central keep quite. > >? > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > >? > >? > > Airport....................Same > >? > >? > > Tribal Bonding..........same > >? > >? > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > >? > >? > > I come from Bungoma District? where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > >? > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list.? Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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You forgot agenda # four which is to address past misrules. Without addressing those, even new constitution will be just a document. But the questions and tensions will continue. But I see good spirit in your approach. David "FOR IN HIM WE LIVE, MOVE AND EXIST" ACTS 17:28: AND THERE IS SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE ; FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED" ACTS 4:12 --- On Sat, 4/11/09, john kamau wrote: From: john kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama/Annan To: "young" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 2:22 PM Time is up not only for Kenya, but for the United Nation and President Obama: to demonstrate leadership while dealing with the coalition Government issues in Kenya, before it?s too late. The Problems facing President Kibaki/ Prime Minister Raila are not of their making. This was a mistake made right from the onset of the formation of the so called grand coalition. Where in the world did we have too equal centers of power? Please note the contention is not the coalition or the institutions: It?s only the word Equal. Two steeling wheels, with two drivers in one motor vehicle? I do not care whether these two drivers will be Obama and Annan, or Kibaki and Raila... You can not climb a tree from the top. The two institutions, Prime Minister and presidency, should have been formed under the orbits of a constitutionally elected government and not the other way round...? An unconstitutional government can not pretend to form constitutional institutions... ?What we needed soon after the Serena Accord is a new constitution and Immediate Election under the watchful eye of the United Nations... ?Today Kenya is like the house of barbell. Raila and his ODM side of government are pulling on one side while Kibaki and PNU are pulling on the other. ?We can not pretend that things are Going on well for five years, the damage kibaki and Raila are doing will be irreparable. They are pulling the very fabrics that hold Kenya together in to tiny shreds. The world dictated to them to come together, the world can dictate to the two to give Kenya a new constitution. ?This will resolve the current institutional confusion. If we keep the office of the president, he will be operating within the constitutional frame work. The Prime minister two will know his boundaries. Ministers and civil servants will then be royal to the institutions of governance, not to the readers of their appointing parties. ?Kenya will then become what it should have been, a country heading straight to the vision 2030. And more.? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <946810.42380.qm@web24206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <946810.42380.qm@web24206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561753.16576.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Bw Karanja, You know that I know those guys in the camps were sent there by Kibaki! He could have stopped the so called clashes but he loved the presidency more! bla bla bla indeed! ________________________________ From: james karanja To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:24:57 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? bla bla bla Kenyans are dying of hunger while other are still in the camps and you still can join these goons (politicians) in their weird arguments --- On Fri, 10/4/09, Justo Lwali wrote: From: Justo Lwali Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 2:30 PM Ah, you people! You know the PM has gotten to where he is by speaking out! While the president has gotten to where he is by ... sitting on the fence while other guys fight it out. Two, and very important: people have been running all over town beating 'carpet' and 'befitting toilet' to pulp. That the PM is only concerned with things that make him look big but they conveniently ignore the other big issues he raised: 1. Guys have been told to disregard, disrespect, and ignore the PM (even PNU big three didn't say anything about that?) 2. That we can't go on having districts created at whim (Kalonzo, tongue in you-know-who's butt declared it is 'devolution' 3.. That PNU - Kibaki - is not consulting (even Narc-K has complained as much, but the PNU fellas went for 'we can't politicise the civil service....) 4. That all is not well (You saw Karua quit, Nick Wanjohi kicked outta State House, 71-year old Muhoho back at KAA etc) All I am saying is: Kibaki is messing up things then running to hide behind 'drought, recession ...' ________________________________ From: David ochwangi To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31:58 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? Very well stated Moses! Admirable; the PM, the president and anybody else in leadership for that matter, must earn respect and when they don't through their actions, let's say so; don't sweep things under the rug and hope they figure it out; these fellows are just as human as we are and fraught with mistakes and natural frailties, they need to be corrected. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:48 AM Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us....that it is the small things that big things are made of. I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm also wondering (..from this email to the PM's ear), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi Sun Apr 12 02:06:54 2009 From: paul.nyandoto at phsotey.fi (Paul Nyandoto) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:06:54 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers In-Reply-To: <175929.39356.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <175929.39356.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E1AF2E0200004F0001C984@mail.phks.fi> Judy & Waweru et al. I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind. The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings, Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?. I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very friendly,smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans. What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment. So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?. Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is too late. Best regards Paul Nyandoto >>> Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33 >>> Nimmos Waweru I agree with you. Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want. We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day. We are the ones who are stupid. We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny. We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho. These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi. Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with? What will we tell our children? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. Umoja ni nguvu..... Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, > > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda. There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict. > > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government to do the same before the next election. This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. > > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place. Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule. There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail. This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. > > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there. Now who of the two do we take to task. Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next step? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. > > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. > > How about that? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg > scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in > future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To: Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > > > > Folks, > > > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery. In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float, although they faults here and there, the > storm at > > sea did not let them float in calmness as they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for > > your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement? Why do you guys act like > chameleons? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change > > without force. Your selfishness is deep skin. > > > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort. We know it...... > > > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > > > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in > > and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. > But > > now on this one I choose to disagree with you. > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much........ > > > > What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us. > > > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally. And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending. You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come. > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > > > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts...... . > > > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > > > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you, Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > > > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of > u > > from central keep quite. > > > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > > > > > > Airport....................Same > > > > > > Tribal Bonding..........same > > > > > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > > > > > > I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > > > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. 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The Bible says, give Ceaser what is Ceasers and God what is God's.? This is what I am talking about.? ........it is healthy to give good comment. ? Thanks. Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com --- On Sat, 4/11/09, sospeter gichane wrote: From: sospeter gichane Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 6:12 AM I have seen the arguments here; my take is, accord Hon Raila his due respect! If Raila is the problem, then accord his office the respect due. I cant imagine him landing in a place with no place to relieve himself! If you lay a flag for him, then? make sure its worth the office. no two way about it guys! Besides, why should the coast PC be in Nbi to see off the Prezzo yet he is not available to discuss provincial issues with the PM? On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM, ed moses wrote: ? Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us...that it is the small things that big things are made of. ? I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm? also wondering (..from this email to the PM's ear), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like?we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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So George, we can count on Mr. Mutie's as D.C support. we have also invited members of rift valley law society, area MP and Councillors, communities, and other CSOs in the area So george,? you can imagine how powerful the forum will be! on logistics, george i will be coming to nairobi on wednesday. may be we can meet briefly to finalise on the day's program as we discuss on cost. in the meantime, i have developed a tentative program. kindly comment on it. Women Issues ? -?????????? Rights and leadership: Status of women in Kenya? -?????????? Women and Constitutional Reforms & Agenda 4 ? Decentralised funds -?????????? LATF/ LASDAP process: role of communities -?????????? Role of communities in CDF management ? Youth issues -?????????? youth and democratic leadership in Kenya : Challenges -?????????? Role of youth in Constitutional reforms in Kenya & Agenda 4 ? Governance -?????????? 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URL: From simba at shibli-kenya.com Mon Apr 13 08:43:21 2009 From: simba at shibli-kenya.com (simba at shibli-kenya.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop PointingFingers In-Reply-To: <49E1AF2E0200004F0001C984@mail.phks.fi> References: <175929.39356.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com><49E1AF2E0200004F0001C984@mail.phks.fi> Message-ID: <590424536-1239626812-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-931105067-@bxe1056.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Hello everyone, This issue of refering to Somali pirates purchasing the whole of Nairobi using money received from hostages is really misplaced. For your information most of land being developed in Nairobi and environs is being done by Kenyan Somalis. I'll advice those making wild allegations to get their facts right. Besides, even if money has been sourced from outside Kenya what is the big deal about it? I thought attracting foreign funds is an added advantage in these times when the country is deprived of much needed foreign currency. Remember our worst enemies are as suggested the Raila's and Kibaki's who are stealing our hard earned money. We should deal with goldenberg and anglo leasing thieves before we point fingures towards poor refugees who need our protection! Sent from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Nyandoto" Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:06:54 To: margret ayuko; ; ; ; CORRECTIONS; DYERANDBLAIR; ; ; ; ; david adhoch; ; ; ; ; Caroline Kabena; w w; ; Speranza Muchiri; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; winker; betty; ; ; evelyne kamire; ; ; ; Judy Miriga; julie wacuka; l n; ; ; Elizabeth Mumbe; ; ; Fred Osewe; ; ; ; ; ; jaber; violet atieno odinga; ; gitahi; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: [YP_Ke] Vs: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers Judy & Waweru et al. I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind. The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings, Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?. I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very friendly,smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans. What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment. So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?. Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is too late. Best regards Paul Nyandoto >>> Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33 >>> Nimmos Waweru I agree with you. Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want. We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day. We are the ones who are stupid. We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny. We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho. These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi. Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price.........What are we left with? What will we tell our children? I am very angry.....We and we alone have to fix our destiny. Umoja ni nguvu..... Judy Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM Judy As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first?? Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant...now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties.... Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 ...Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia...Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing.....Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people...we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU's or ODM's ....Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion...because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country.... International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose....To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president...Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya......We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop Pointing Fingers > To: ababu at chambersofjustice.org, nmmos1960 at yahoo.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, jambo at publiceyesite.org, oped at yahoogroups.com, "opedNYtimes" > Cc: hrwnyc at hrw.org, hrwdc at hrw.org, radio at c-span.org, journal at c-span.org, executive-editor at nytimes.com, managing-editor at nytimes.com, news-tips at nytimes.com, foreign at nytimes.com, national at nytimes.com, washington at nytimes.com, editorial at nytimes.com, letters at nytimes.com, editor at easternafricamagazine.com, editor at theexpress.com, editor at ktnkenya.co.ke, "editor" , "United Kingdom Government News in Africa" , "ibrahim aloo" , "tsmy3uv Julius" , "mail Africa News" , "VOA Africa" , "straight talk africa" , "Smartbiz Africa" , "BBC Publicity" , editor at nation.co.ke, editorial at estandard.net, "eastandard news paper" , "Newsweek" , editor at africanexecutive.com, news at capitalfm-ug.com, news at nationmedia.com, "africa News" , "benwhite Africa News" , "telegraph news paper" , jaluo at jaluo.com, edujeezy at yahoo.com, "majimbo kenya" , "London News" , "AmericanEmbassy" , simeonlesrima at yahoo.com, johnmunyes at yahoo.com, waziri at kenyaweb.com, kilemimwiria at africanonline.co.ke, soita-shitanda at yahoo.com, kilonzo at wananchi.com, noahwekesa at hotmail.com, bmugo at kenyaweb.com, Chrisokemo at yahoo.com, Ojode7 at hotmail.com, ckilonzo at crystalvaluers.com, mungatana at wanainchi.com, gndambuki at wananchi.com, info at williamrutto.com, scorpionwere at yahoo.com, Langoni at swiftmombasa.com, oburu_oginga at yahoo.com, ahassan at tradeandindustry.go.ke, jonyancha2002 at yahoo.com, andykenneth at hotmail.com, mwetangula at hotmail.com, nkaisserry at wananchi.com, esthermurugi at yahoo.com, kiharamwangimp at yahoo.com, pan at africaonline.co.ke, poghisio at wananchi.com, najib at mombasa.co.ke, Wakolib at yahoo.com, kipipiri at wananchi.com, dethuro at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM > Waweru, > > As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big > problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two > people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform > agenda. There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be > overlooked and which canned be used at the next election > because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict. > > The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two > could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim > Government to do the same before the next election. This > is why there was fear to go for a repeat election. > > Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take > place. Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and > is not following the rule. There is common observation > that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving > out of the rail. This is where the problem lies and we > must start from where the problem is. > > Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their > commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, > reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan > so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is > locked in the coalition government - both must respect the > 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from > there. Now who of the two do we take to task. Who is not > behaving well for us to move to the next step? We are > stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that > they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which > is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the > mission which have defeated them. > > So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it > is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this > coalition work. > > How about that? > > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru > wrote: > > From: nimmos waweru > Subject: Re: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > To: jbatec at yahoo.com, ababu at chambersofjustice.org > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM > > @Judy Miriga > Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in > this coalition > government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain > power at expense of poor > Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver > hell.Raila is selfish > hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister's > power,to a point > such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM > counter parts .When > he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet > meaning for a while and > forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only > intrested to seek for > himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone > who is intrested with > Kenya at heart...Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki > is supposed to sack > and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity...but how can > he do that when Wako > is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in > the same government > he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be > overhaulled..Ruto,for > maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now...Saitoti > should be in jail > for goldenburg > scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing > scandal...Ndungu > land commission should be implemented as to return all > stolen government land to > people.... As we speak the international world want to > assists and return all > stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the > question is where is the > government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we > have the witness > arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya > government in prosecution > but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila > pinpoint those issues > instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he > should understand that > that is where his full popularity will come from among all > Kenyans if he is > willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be > supported by all > Kenyans regardless the tribe differences...Unless the > Kenyans unite and realise > they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the > voting power to throw > this people out of gorvenment in > future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry > hyenas,Kenyans > politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development > of the country. > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: jbatec at yahoo.com > > Subject: [Jambo] Kibaki/Raila on Corruption - Stop > Pointing Fingers > > To: Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM > > > > Folks, > > > > When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila > could > > have done when he was denied his fair share of the > signed > > agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the > > coalition government by those who stole election at > gun > > point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, > all > > powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with > cartels took > > complete control of Government machinery. In truth > Raila > > and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the > boat a > > float, although they faults here and there, the > storm at > > sea did not let them float in calmness as they > steer > > awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace > and > > the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki > even > > after the glory for winning election was stolen from > > him and with the majority elected officials in ODM > compared > > to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You > the > > Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for > > your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo > Musyoka, > > Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against > the > > signed agreement? Why do you guys act like > chameleons? > > So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or > you are > > feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more.........BUT we > will > > not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change > > without force. Your selfishness is deep skin. > > > > To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in > your > > mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him > not > > to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being > dented > > by them, he was already spiritually and moraly > demoralized > > and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. > Kenya > > Mafia and Cohort. We know it...... > > > > The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work > together > > with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling > a > > spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu > > leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts > and > > Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples > from > > the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be. > > > > Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have > given > > Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in > > and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a > second > > chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could > have > > been given a chance, who knows, we could have said > truely, > > Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. > But > > now on this one I choose to disagree with you. > Raila ana > > madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo > > sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much........ > > > > What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is > GLUTTONNESS > > and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, > lakini > > kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima > > itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have > gone > > through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya > Mafia no > > Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape > > Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us. > > > > Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya > > (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia > connections and > > businesses internationally. And we know, majority of > who > > joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and > finish > > President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing > the > > wind...........however much you pretend, we know it > and stop > > pretending. You are haters........ You all need > reform > > from within.........REPENT your > sins.................stop > > pretending..............and stop jumping like frogs > here and > > there trying to be saints........you can sing like > Angels, > > but we dont care anymore unless you change.....Kenya > will > > pay all you looted from them in generation to come. > But > > Mungu si Athmani..........It will be history > for generation > > to come...........Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu > na > > Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au > tajiri........Mungu > > anatazama ROHO ya binadamu. > > > > We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or > not, > > whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of > > Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes > Airport to > > Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or > Kibaki > > is the King..........you like it or not........we will > not > > take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future > and > > livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans > and > > ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will > be > > included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be > clothed, > > except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, > the way > > it gets him nuts...... . > > > > Shame on you people.........although the word shame, > > glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even > > bother you, you need fresh anointing from > Heaven......... > > > > If you want a bitter truth, you get it........ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Help Kenya,, > > With people like you, Replicating the events of the > last > > election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau > just > > as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you > are not > > whatever ethnic community you come from.. > > Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have > escaped > > most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow > tribal > > antics which I have not intention of taking part in. > > It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who > has > > betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not > done as > > much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each > other > > on tribal bases. > > If you and me can do this, can go this far , how > about our > > brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both > > academic, and international exposure. They wait to > hear you > > and me interpret National and political issue in order > to > > form an opinion and act towards what ever direction > you and > > me guide them. and this appears to be our > contribution..... > > am so sorry. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale > > wrote: > > > > From: martin njalale > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more > if u > > were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but > wait a > > minute.All u people from the central part of kenya > will > > castigate anybody from other regions other than ur > own. > > Lets look at who has done or said what. > > > > The Judiciary.........Raila says it should be > > reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot > > of > u > > from central keep quite. > > > > Mau Forest ..........Same scenario > > > > > > Airport....................Same > > > > > > Tribal Bonding..........same > > > > > > Migingo....................Shutting up adds to the > same > > scenario if it was populated > > > by > > by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would > be > > there > > > > > > I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never > had a > > lot of support but unless the central click change > their > > attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective > rather > > than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy > what u > > are saying and the likes of Raila will draw > support.Think > > talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without > > fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau > > history will repeat itself. > > > > So stop cheating ur self > > > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption > > To: "young" > > > > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kibaki /Raila, on corruption. > > It is so disgusting to read in the international media > > about the run away corruption in our country. It > becomes > > even more disturbing when we look at the two > principals and > > especially Raila who?s prime Ministers position was > > created through the strong support of the > International > > community after he was viewed as a strong becon for > good > > governance. His double speak leadership is > crystallized by > > his appointment to the cabinet of the all time > greatest > > looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the > war > > lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the > Kanjwa'ngs in > > his team. > > While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely > Resign, I > > say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted > a > > side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents > of > > what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: > The > > international community should now apply the same > measure of > > pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did > to > > bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to > give > > Kenya a new Constitution... > > It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the > real > > fight against the endemic corruption and all other > vices > > that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and > Kenya > > will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in > which > > prime national assets are being sold at give away > prices to > > the Arab world. > > > > > > > > > > Judy Miriga > > Diaspora Spokesperson > > Executive Director > > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > > USA > > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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News Analysis by Leo Odera Omolo Report from Nyandiwa, Gwassi. Kenya n fishermen operating on the disputed Mining island panicked a great deal when a Ugandan Military helicopter flew several sorties hovering over the island several hours in an apparent reason to intimidate Kenyans fishermen. The chopper had caused panic among the fishermen, fish traders, and petty kiosk service stores and petty traders operating on the island. Many Kenyans particularly women fish merchants started fleeing the island thinking the full scale conventional aerialwar between the two countries was just about to begin. The conflict has reached a very dangerous stage. It now requires some kind of urgent mediation by a recognised body of imminent persons from the international community as local diplomacy seemed to have failed to resolve it. There are close to 1,000 residents on the tiny island with Kenyans being 80% of the sojourners. Fishermen fears was fueled by the fact that Uganda, which had previously kept only a handful marine police to patrol the island has now replaced the policemen with soldiers members of the Uganda Peoples Defense Force{UPDF}. The soldiers are under the command of an army brigadier J. Echoli who arrived on Friday and immediately took the control of the brigade. Immediately soon after the arrival of the brigadier Kenyan fishermen claim they had lost close to 20 tones of fish confiscated by Ugandan soldiers on Friday night. The soldiers also towed away seven boats over the alleged trespass and illegal fishing in Ugandan territorial waters. The following Saturday, there were more than 0 arrests. Some of the suspects were held briefly in military custody, but immediately released after paying bribe money. Others had their fish catches confiscated in the melee that gripped the island on Friday night. The confiscated fish was estimated by the fishermen to value about Ksh. 350,000. The Uganda air force chopper did several rounds of circling flights over the densely populated island before heading northeast towards the Bugiri District. The Chopper could be seen by the residents of the mainland beaches at Sori in Karungu Bay and Nyandiwa in Gwassi, which are the nearest spots close to the disputed island. The dispute over the ownership of the Migingo island has taken a new political dimension with the locals now alleging that the island has been handed over to the Ugandans at silver plate by President Mwai Kibaki as a gift to President Museveni for his role in supporting the Kenyan leader in 2007 following the hotly disputed Presidential election results which is widely believed to have been won by the Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga and which sparked off post election violence in Kenya. Museveni was the first and only African head of state to send Kibaki congratulatory message as a good gesture of confirming his [Kibaki}election victory. The Ugandan head of state immediately flew into Nairobi and made a futile attempt to reconcile Mr Kibaki and Mr. Odinga, but his mediation efforts hit the rock as the ODM party rejected it viewing him as a partisan and not very neutral. Nyatike MP Erick Omondi Anyanga in whose constituency Migingo is located kicked the debate on this school of thought, when he questioned the sincerity of President Mwai Kibaki and Museveni over the mater. ?We expected to see the exit of the Ugandan Security forces from Migingo after the two leaders meeting in Lusaka, Zambia,? he said, adding ? but we are shocked to see our neighbor tightening their grip on the island soon after the Lusaka talks. Anyango questioned the continued deployment of Ugandan soldiers on the island and yet surveyors have not completed their work of mapping Kenya-Uganda boundaries afresh. Meanwhile local observers and political pundits say the dispute is all about sovereignty, fishing rights, joint exploitation of a common natural resource the procrastination over marking boundaries and the role of the East African Community (EAC) in promoting regional integration. These spiced with a bit of Kenyan politics to create a volatile conflict situation that could have far-reaching ramifications. This is a tiny island measuring a mere acre of land full of rocks and located 18 km off Sori Bay in Karungu Division of the newly created Nyatike District, which was only last month sub divided from the old Migori District is one of the smallest of close to 86 islands bordering Lake Victoria. Lake Victoria is shared between the three original members of the East African Community ? Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. This tiny island can be described as both the heart of EAC and the basic binding physical feature that defines the region. Measuring 68,800 square kilometers lake the world?s second largest fresh water body after Lake Baikal in Siberia, provides a direct source of livelihood for an estimated 30 million people. And some 50,000 fishermen on the Lake make at least USD 12 million a year from exports of the Nile perch. Lake Victoria is also the source of River Nile which is the lifeline for millions of people in Egypt, Sudan and Uganda. Additionally, the Lake serves as an alternative trade route for Uganda, through the ports of Dar-Es-Salaam and Mwanza in Tanzania and the port of Kisumu in Kenya. Lake Victoria provides opportunity for regional co-corporation and management of common resources. However the growing mismanagement of the Lake has far-reaching consequences in terms of depletion of fisheries, threat to livelihoods through job loses, interferences in power supplies, food security and potential armed confrontation between the countries in the region. Lake Victoria is in fact a classic case of Gorrett Hardin?s tragedy of the commons overfishing has caused a 34% drop in the population of the much ** Nile perch. Besides unscrupulous fishing with wrong fishing gear that depletes fish stocks and other marine species, the Lake is a dump site for Industrial and urban effluent from the lakeside towns of Kisumu, Mwanza, Kampala and Jinja according to the Kenya Marine Fisheries Research Institute. The row over Migingo Island has also overshadowed a critical concern about the poor fisheries governance on Lake Victoria raised by a world Bank sponsored report entitled ?The Sunken Billion? the economics justification for fisheries reforms?. This report points out that the poor management of the Lake?s resources is causing revenue losses of nearly USD 44 million a year equivalent to 61% of USD 72 million in revenue obtained from Nile perch catches in three countries. If the Lake Victoria?s fisheries were well governed, they would not only restore fish stocks but also result in two and a half time more earnings ? of the order of USD 180 Million and improved livelihoods, exports, economic growth and fish food security. In essence, the row over the disputed Migingo is a scramble for the depleting Nile perch stocks. According to Kenya?s Fisheries Minister Dr. Paul Otuoma the boundary conflict is more about ?economics of livelihoods? for the more than 35 million people in the riparian communities from the Lake directly for their source of livelihood. Both Uganda and Tanzania have in the past arrested Kenyan fishermen for allegedly fishing in their waters. Kenya has only 6% of the Lake compared to Tanzania?s 45% However the marine studies show that fish breed on the Kenyan side of the Lake and swim over to Uganda and Tanzania waters after hatching. All the previous attempts to address the Migingo dispute so far have fallen short of being effective mainly because politicians are spear heading them. Maybe the mater could be resolved with the assistance of external experts from the International Community. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Mon Apr 13 13:25:13 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] 2012 EQUATION :- News districts: President acted against the law Message-ID: News districts: President acted against the law Published on By Juma kwayera Rapid creation of small and potentially under-resourced new districts still finds favour with the political elite. This is despite the criticism it has elicited as ill advised and an imminent drain on the exchequer. And as the Orange Democratic Movement and the Party of National Unity trade accusations over multiplicity of districts, the President is increasingly coming under the spotlight for allegedly breaching the Constitution, which experts say predicates the creation of new administrative units on an Act of Parliament. Citing the 1992 Districts and Provinces Act, lawyer Mugambi Imanyara says: "Legally, there are supposed to be seven provinces plus Nairobi Area and 28 districts plus Nairobi Area. However, the politics of the day has resulted in serial abrogation of the law since 1992." Imanyara's was a rebuttal to PNU's defence of the president's rush to create more districts without the participation of ODM. Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka had on Tuesday defended Kibaki, saying the creation of districts was necessitated by demand at the grassroots. Act of Parliament The same argument was advanced by Assistant Minister for Local Government Njeru Githae, who told The Standard on Sunday that a district can be created through gazettement unlike provinces, which require an Act of Parliament. A similar position was advanced by Environment Minister John Michuki - then as an Opposition backbencher - to oppose the creation of new districts by the Moi administration in the countdown to the General Election. Mugambi says Kibaki is playing political games with district boundaries in anticipation of a referendum on draft constitution, which provides it must receive the support of 65 per cent of all districts. "The districts can be used to kill or pass the law. The president is scheming to rig the outcome of the referendum through creation of districts where his successor enjoys massive following," says the lawyer. A commission of inquiry into the conduct of the 2007 General Election that was chaired by retired South African judge Johann Kriegler recommended the formation of an Independent Electoral Boundaries Review Commission to review constituency boundaries as part of the comprehensive electoral reforms to prevent a relapse into poll violence. Reached for comment Planning and Vision 2030 Minister Wycliffe Oparanya questioned the creation of new administrative units at a time the economy is in doldrums. Political mileage "Save for political mileage, I do not find them economically viable. The new administrative units bring with them new demands such as additional staffing, provision of accommodation and transport for the new fficers," the minister said. Oparanya said a proposal to align districts to electoral boundaries, has yet to receive the approval of the Cabinet sub-committee on finance and administration. "Everyone recognises the need to transform constituencies into the focus of development. The impact of Constituency Development Funds (CDF) has taught planners that devolution of funding to the constituency level yields results faster than when one has to go through the provincial administration. Money is pilfered in the long chain from Treasury or ministry headquarters to the grassroots," explained the minister. The thrust of the Bill, he added, was devolution of services and in the hope of replicating the impact the funds have had at the grassroots. The latest round of the row between the President and the Prime Minister are a pointer to the wider political plot and counter-plot with the Kibaki succession as the common denominator. That the size and number of new districts is a weighty political subject manifested last week when Prime Minister Raila Odinga blasted the President for making unilateral decisions over administrative boundaries, which in future will also be district borders that will determine allocation of national resources and employment in the civil service and security forces. For lack of a policy and criteria for allotment, says former Siakago MP Justin Muturi, the political review of administrative boundaries has made local communities acutely aware of their ethnic identities. Muturi, who is Kanu's secretary for legal affairs and a former magistrate, says the political approach being used to excise districts is likely to balkanise a country reeling under extreme ethnic hatred made worse by 2007 elections. Since Kibaki came to power, he has created an additional 130 new districts in six years, bringing the number to 209, although Assistant Minister for Internal Security Orwa Ojode, said two weeks ago that the partition was still on. "I do not subscribe to the argument they are intended to bring services closer to the people. In some cases, they are disincentives to people who are investing in real estate. There is every likelihood the President wants to covertly influence the outcome of the boundaries review commission," says Muturi. Multiplication of districts To some Kenyans, the multiplication of districts takes place at a time the economy is in recession and 11 million people grappling with famine. The clumsy manner the administrative units are being created has led to some constituencies being split into districts. Kuria constituency in Nyanza, represented by Dr Wilfred Machage, was split into Kuria North and Kuria South, while in Western Province Kimilili Constituency, represented by Dr Simiyu Eseli, is now made up of two districts. Imenti South constituency has also been split. A similar situation exists in Amagoro constituency, where two Teso districts were created by presidential decree. While the president's "gifts" have been welcomed as a strategy that would in the long run address perceived injustices such as recruitment in the military, police and civil service, Kibaki faces accusations of perpetuating the balkanisation of the country into ethnic and sub-ethnic blocs. The new names of the new districts are predictable ethnic - for instance Samia, Kuria, Tharaka, Nithi, among others. Eseli acknowledges the challenges posed by the mushrooming administrative areas in terms of budgetary limitations and human resource deployment. "The scramble for national resources makes it imperative we split administrative units with large populations. Kriegler recommendations "There is no reason why a constituency with nearly 0.5 million people should not be allocated more resources than a district with 50,000 people," says the Kimilili MP. The Kriegler commission recommended the IEBRC to delimit constituency boundaries to make elections more democratic and representative. The recommendations, part of Agenda IV of the National Dialogue and Reconciliation Talks, envisaged equal representation based on the region, gender, community, demographic trends and administrative boundaries. "In 2006 the ECK made an attempt at delimitation, based mostly on the subdivision of the largest constituencies, but Parliament refused to accept the increase in the number of seats. Although the Constitution empowers the ECK to do so, it shied away from redelimiting constituencies while maintaining the 210 limit," the Kriegler report says. The bungling of the polls by Electoral Commission of Kenya (ECK) necessitated a comprehensive review of the electoral units - both civic and parliamentary to minimise rigging. From brumbaughdamaris at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 16:06:34 2009 From: brumbaughdamaris at yahoo.com (Damaris Brumbaugh) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] What's wrong with drinking alcohol/beer? In-Reply-To: <890123.74385.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423136.46499.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com> GOOD ADVICE!! Damaris Brumbaugh --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Absalom Birai wrote: From: Absalom Birai Subject: Re: [Jambo] What's wrong with drinking alcohol/beer? To: "Public eye" , "mwanyagetinge" Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:28 PM Those who have dealt with children and young people, get frustrated or annoyed when they are asked or hear of the following: -Why not? -What's wrong with....? -Why can't I sleep over? -I don't care! -Leave me alone. -I know what Am doing! Some of those asking such questions know very well the consequences of involving themselves or doing such things! The question, "What's wrong with drinking alcohol/beer," gives an impression that there is nothing wrong in doing so. What are some of the reasons why people drink alcohol/beer? Here are some of the reasons: -Some use the story of Jesus turning water into wine as found in the book of John 2:1-11 as a leeway! What they fail to understand is that such wine was not fermented and therefore would not affect any faculty of the brain! -Some use 1 Timothy 5:23,"Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses." Perhaps the question we should ask here is, "How many of those who drink alcohol do so because of sickness? -As a means of entertainment? -To scape from the daily frustrations! What are the reasons why the good Lord need us to leave alcohol/beer alone? -3 John verse 2, Our Lord wants us to be in good health. -Isaiah 55:5, Our God does not want us to spend money buying that which is not food. -1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19, Paul tells us that we are God's temple and therefore must not defile His temple. -Proverbs 30:29-35 gives us a list of things that go wrong with the drinking. Proverb 31:4 reads, "It is not for Kings, O Lemuel-not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer!" -Galatians 5:19-Those who drink will not inherit the kingdom of God. The drinking of alcohol/beer has done the following damage: -It has ruined many families as either husband or wife has lost the job and sold almost everything due to excessive drinking. -Many have lost their lives due to the reckless behavior of one drunkard. -Many students have been expelled from colleges and caused untold headache to their parents due to drinking. -Many have lost good jobs due to this behavior of drinking. And with all these, it's hard to understand why anyone should open his or her mouth and allow alcohol/beer to go through it. If you know anyone who is drinking, please plead with them to leave it alone! Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai If the Bible says it, I will be humble enough to believe it without any question whatsoever! _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 11 14:10:24 2009 From: steveogeda at yahoo.co.uk (steve ogeda) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS Message-ID: <426984.25994.qm@web27205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> well said --- On Sat, 11/4/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS To: madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "kol" , "ccr" , "progressiveminds" , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: "mulembe" , mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, "mwananchi" Date: Saturday, 11 April, 2009, 12:25 PM Brother, You have seen this thing very clearly. Constitution has become a milch cow and all and sundry must talk about the constitution to ensure that they remain relevant. Even non reformers like Martha Karua have been embraced by some hotel loving NGOs to talk about the way forward when it is clear that Martha was the single force behind the civilian coup of 30th December 2007. in defense of Kenya, I assign you number 10. You must score the goals and help Kenya remain peaceful as we plot how to remove all the non reformers from power through electoral means. That is it. Make sure you defend the Kenyan goal; 1] The Goal Keeper; 2] Right full back; 3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo 4] Central defender; 5] Stopper; Kuria-Mwangi 6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch 7] Right winger; 8] Central Midfielder; 9] Striker; James Nduko 10] Distributor; Fwamba NC Fwamba 11] Left winger; Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators. They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, crispus fwamba wrote: From: crispus fwamba Subject: [madaraka-kenya] IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS To: kptj-communications at fahamu.org, bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com, "ProgressiveMinds" Cc: kenva at yahoogroups.com, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "WESTERN PROFESSIONALS" , "Young Kenyans" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:11 AM IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW OUR ONLY REMEDY The constitutional review has been a song sang since early 90s by majority of Kenyans under the leadership of a number of civil society organizations like the National Constitutional Executive Council. Activities of such organizations helped us attain an awareness level to most of Kenyans on the importance of reforms through constitutional review. However it?s unfortunate that it?s almost two decades since the introduction of multipartyism whose campaign was spearheaded by a number of the current people in government. The constitutional review process has instead become a serious impediment to any reforms in this country because Kenyans have been made to believe that real change can only come through a constitutional review. this has also given opportunity to those who are anti reforms to have a clear picture of what would stand on their way in maintain the status quo.therefore the anti reform forces who are beneficiaries of corruption which includes irregular land allocations to use all their energies and positions of power to ensure there are no reforms that might interfere with their comfort. It?s also notable that most of those who agitated for change while in opposition changed their language immediately they got opportunities to serve in government. It?s a known fact too that a number of non governmental organizations exist on the sole reason of pursuing constitutional changes in the country and the general feeling is that they will be rendered insignificant once the we have a new constitution. Given these circumstances, Kenyans need to redefine a new way of implementing reforms or rather having a new constitution without involving the usual stakeholders who have been squabbling over the way to the reforms. If we still believe that reforms can only be achieved through constitutional review then we need to have different players other than politicians or those with vested interests. It has been a daunting task for Kenyans who even went on to believe that by voting in pro reform leaders into parliament, it was going to be easier to have a people driven constitution which was eventually a proven futility citing examples of Prof Kivutha Kibwana?s days in parliament and the current presence of the likes of Mutava Musyimi and others. It?s therefore evident that all Kenyans in positions of leadership are obstacles to constitutional change in Kenya. This is the same cause of our inability to attain this long fought potential historic achievement in 2005 when we went to the referendum because of tension and vested interest s by leaders from different sectors of political and civil society leadership. In the same vain was the national accord that was signed by the President and the Prime Minister in order to halt clashes that resulted fro a disputed presidential election. For the same reasons of the process driven by a political class, the Serena talks went into disarray immediately the agenda on power sharing was cleared. Agenda four which had a lot to do with the reforms is now being treated as a minor issue by the same political class that agreed on power sharing. It?s for this reason that I believe that our political class will never address issues on agenda four. This is the reason as to why some people have decided to agitate for piecemeal reforms which have still been rendered useless because of legal arguments based on current constitutional references. It is therefore imperative that we have a radical approach on the process or else we will never have a new constitution in this country and that means we will never be able to address reforms in this country whose implementation is based on constitutional interpretation. When NARC government took reigns of power from Moi, Kenyans were very optimistic and Kibaki who those days seemed to still care about his reputation as the hope for change, created a number of commissions which included the Ndung?u commission on land that produced the report which can now only be termed as having been a public relations exercise. It has since been a nightmare to implement because there is no mandatory constitutional obligation for its implementation. So it can authoritatively be argued that in a way the constitutional review process has in itself been an obstacle to reforms in this country. The same forces that have been ensuring that we don?t get a new constitution are still very influential in the country. Therefore if we divorced the constitution from the political class, it may be easier for us to achieve change or altertnatively, Kenyans have a duty to think of another way of achieving change other than the constitution. It?s mind boggling conscientiousness to every progressive force in this country. Changing the process or the method is the only right direction we must take to achieve change. FWAMBA NC FWAMBA BOX 41046, Nairobi 0736170218 http://kenyayoungvo tersalliance. blogspot. com http://fwambancfwam ba.wordpress. com http://fwambancfwam ba.blogspot. com __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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URL: From adit.bond at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 05:05:22 2009 From: adit.bond at gmail.com (Aditya Bondyopadhyay) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:35:22 +0530 Subject: [Jambo] =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCIVobKEJBSURTIFJJR0hUUxskQiFbGyhCIEhJ?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?ViBUcmVhdG1lbnQ6IEVhcmx5IEFkbWluaXN0cmF0aW9uIE9mIEFudGly?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?ZXRyb3ZpcmFsIFRoZXJhcHkgQ2FuICBJbXByb3ZlIFN1cnZpdmFs?= Message-ID: <3a559e540904120205r4227db5bo8aa019e3bfc3a083@mail.gmail.com> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090409185417.htm Science News HIV Treatment: Early Administration Of Antiretroviral Therapy Can Improve Survival ScienceDaily (Apr. 11, 2009) ? The first antiretroviral treatments appeared in 1996. Since then, new and better drugs have been discovered that have almost turned AIDS into a chronic disease. Nevertheless, there is still room to improve the performance of the the therapeutic strategies used in clinical practice. This is shown by a study published in the online edition of *The Lancet,* suggesting that early administration of antiretroviral treatment reduces the rate of AIDS development and death in HIV-positive patients by 28%. This study analyzed information from more than 45,000 patients in Europe and North America and combined data from 15 international cohorts. One of these is the PISCIS Catalan and Balearic cohort, coordinated by Dr. Jordi Casabona of the Centre for Epidemiologic Studies of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and AIDS in Catalonia (CEEISCAT) - Catalan Institute of Oncology (ICO), and by Dr. Josep Mar?a Mir? of the Infectious Diseases Department of Hospital Cl?nic - IDIBAPS, University of Barcelona. Dr. Josep Mar?a Mir? is the only Spaniard in the international When to Start Consortium, which has taken part in writing and signing the article. Professor Jonathan Sterne of the University of Bristol (UK) is the first author. The best moment to instate antiretroviral treatment has been the subject of debate for some time. The immune system's CD4 cell count, which falls as HIV infection progresses, is one of the main tools for establishing a guideline cutoff point. Current clinical guides recommend waiting for the CD4 count to fall below 350 cells per milliliter (?L) in asymptomatic patients. Although it was suspected that initiating treatment earlier could improve outcome, this recommendation was maintained due to the side effects associated with the drugs, making correct administration of the treatment difficult. With new families of drugs available and new, less toxic combinations, it is now possible to consider instating treatment earlier without unduly affecting the patient's quality of life. The study published in The Lancet, in the framework of the Antiretroviral Therapy Cohort Collaboration, includes information from 15 international cohorts. Data were obtained from 21,247 patients who were followed up during the period prior to instatement of combined antiretroviral therapy and 24,444 patients who were followed up from the beginning of treatment. Waiting to administer the combined therapy until CD4 levels had fallen to between 251 and 350 cells/?L was associated with a 28% higher rate of development of AIDS and death than beginning treatment when levels were between 351 and 450 cells/?L. The adverse effects of delaying therapy were directly linked to the drop in the CD4 count. Waiting to treat until the CD4 count was below these levels was also associated with a higher mortality rate (13%), though the effect on mortality was smaller than the combined effect on developing AIDS and death. The conclusion of the study is that the lowest level for initiating antiretroviral therapy is 350 cells/?L. This will soon be indicated in the clinical guides and in clinical practice. The Gesida/National AIDS Plan guides are already being drawn up and will include the recommendation to initiated treatment before the CD4 count falls below 350 cell/?L. The new recommended figure will probably be between 350 and 500 cells/?L. The international clinical guides (both European and American), which will not be updated for some months, and the SMART clinical trial also suspected that antiretroviral therapy should begin before the CD4 count falls to 350 cells/?L. Furthermore, the journal *New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* published identical results this month, obtained by a North American study that also involved many cohorts (NA-ACCORD). The findings of these studies will be key to helping doctors throughout the world to decide on the best time to begin antiretroviral treatment. The Catalan and Balearic cohort PISCIS (Project for the Computerization and Clinical Epidemiological Monitoring of HIV Infection and AIDS) was created in 1998 and is currently monitoring more than 10,000 patients. Nine Catalan hospitals are taking part: Hospital Cl?nic, Barcelona; Hospital Universitari Germans Trias i Pujol; Hospital de Bellvitge; Corporaci? Parc Taul? de Sabadell; Hospital de Matar?; Hospital General de Vic; Hospital de Palam?s; Hospital General de l'Hospitalet; and Hospital Alt Pened?s de Vilafranca. A Balearic hospital, the Son Dureta hospital in Mallorca, is also taking part and the CEEISCAT is acting as the coordinating center. The PISCIS project, which is funded by the Department of Health and the FIPSE, has already provided important local responses to questions such as survival of infected patients, effectiveness of antiretroviral therapies and the best time to begin treatment. The study published in The Lancet confirms the findings that PISCIS had already published based on Catalan and Balearic data in the journal JAIDS (J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2008; 47(2):212-20), suggesting that the minimum CD4 count for beginning treatment is at the threshold of 350 cells/?L. The Department of Health aims to potentiate this project so that it covers the largest possible number of Catalan hospitals and serves not only for clinical-epidemiologic research but also for the planning and assessment of services relating to this disease and as a source of complementary information for monitoring important aspects such as delayed diagnosis, resistance and new mortality patterns in these patients. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To learn more about the AIDS Rights group, please visit www.aidsrights.net To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to aidsrights at googlegroups.com If you do wish to belong to AIDS Rights , you may subscribe by sending an email to aidsrights-subscribe at googlegroups.com If you do not wish to belong to AIDS Rights , you may unsubscribe by sending an email to aidsrights-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com ?AIDS RIGHTS :http://www.aidsrights.net ?China Youth AIDS Group :http://www.chinaaidsgroup.org ?AIDS WIKI :http://www.aidswiki.cn ?Devote my life to AIDS prevention and care work http://www.changkun.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betty.otieno at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 07:52:50 2009 From: betty.otieno at gmail.com (Betty Otieno) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:52:50 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Brookside Livestock Breeders Show Kenya June 2009 Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- *The Kenya Livestock Breeders have the greatest pleasure in announcing their 2009 Brookside Livestock Show to be held at Jamhuri Park, Nairobi on Wednesday 10th June, Thursday 11th & Friday 12th June 2009.* The show is the culmination of a combined effort of all Breed Societies in Kenya and represents the cream of the country's livestock. The show aims to promote Kenya's livestock industry world-wide, particularly within the COMESA group of countries. *Brookside Dairy Limited* has again agreed to be title sponsor. The *Agricultural Society of Kenya* has incorporated the show in their 2009 calendar of events. The Brookside Livestock Breeders Show & Sale has been held every two years since 1999. The objective is to promote the Kenyan Livestock Industry through exhibition of superior livestock (cattle, sheep, goats and camels) together with Livestock Health and Nutritional Products, modern Livestock farming technology and Seminars on topical issues relating to the Livestock Industry among other issues of National Interest. *BLBSS Facts*: - Kenya's premier Livestock Show & Sale featuring over 1,000 of the country's finest animals. - At the 2006 Show, over 15,000 visitors from all over Kenya attended and several foreign delegations. - Organized by a committee of all *Livestock Breed Societies* & *Brookside Dairy Limited*. - It is an opportunity for Kenya to showcase advancement in the genetic improvement of its National Herd. - It is an opportunity for breeders to expand the marketing of their Breeding Stock to other African countries. This includes the marketing of other livestock trade items such as *Veterinary Products*, Feeds, Genetics and Machinery among others. - It features international Livestock Judges who share their vast knowledge with local farmers. - It is an opportunity for both large & small scale Farmers to interact for educative purposes. A full range of classes representing Ayrshire, Holstein-Friesian, Guernsey and Jersey dairy breeds, Brown Swiss, Boran x exotic dairy will be represented as well as Sahiwal, (dual purpose) Boran, Beef & Fatstock, judged by international judges. Dairy goats, meat goats and sheep will be on show and camels and free range chickens on display. For those interested in showing, all animals must be registered; either with the *Kenya Stud Book* or the Grade Registers. Borans must be eligible for registration. Breed Inspectors lists are available from the relevant breed society. The qualities of Kenya's own Boran breed of cattle for use in semi-arid areas of the world will be highlighted. There will be an auction of prime Boran, Beef bulls and Fatstock after the classes. *Great Opportunities* Kenya's agricultural commercial sector will have an exclusive opportunity to show and promote its products to the public. The event will promote sales of semen from *Central Artificial Insemination Station* for both local and for export markets. Kenyan breeders who supply embryos for export can be contacted through their breed society. *Seminars* will be held to highlight modern livestock technology appropriate for both small scale and large scale farmers countrywide. Panel discussions will be incorporated leading to a lively debate. All farmers and stakeholders in the livestock and agricultural sectors are welcome. Entry will be by ticket bought at the gate. - Entry Fee *Ksh. 200.00* per person per day, - Season ticket *Ksh. 500.00*. - A.S.K. Members will be admitted free. Overseas visitors are welcome to contact the organizing committee for information and introductions. The show has seen considerable growth since its inception. The comment *"the greatest success yet"* of the *2004 *show came unanimously from breeders, sponsors, product and service displayers, attendants and participants alike. Farmer's comment at *2006* Show "Maonyesho ya kilimo ilinifungua macho yangu sana. Sasa naweza kujitegemea na kuchukulia ukulima kuwa utajiri" The favourable comments made by international judges are encouraging including - "I have never met such a dedicated group of people with such a sense of optimism." - "The top cows could be shown anywhere in the world" - " Congratulations to all breeders in preparing their cattle and bringing them to the show - I take my hat off to them". The judges of the exotic breeds were very impressed with the Boran and praised the legs and feet locomotion of this breed. *Activities* - Judging of Dairy Breeds by international judges including progeny groups. - Dual purpose cattle judging - Sahiwal, Brown Swiss, Boran crosses. - Judging of Boran Cattle, bull progeny groups and other beef breed classes and fatstock. - Judging of sheep and goats. - Auction sale of Boran & Beef bulls and prime fatstock. - Display of camels and free range chickens. - Display of commercial products relating to the livestock and agricultural sector, as well as *veterinary* *medicines, vaccines*, livestock feeds & inputs modern technology and equipment in these sectors. - Grand Parade of livestock. - Other arena events including sheep shearing competition. BLBSS Secretariat: secretariatblbss at gmail.com Compiled by *Dr. Kenneth W. Wameyo BVM* *Vice Chair: Kenya Veterinary Association, Nairobi* *Moderator: Kenya Veterinary Forum* *Nairobi**, Kenya*** *(+254) ( 0 ) 733 625 038/ 722 742 541* For Further information please contact:- *BLBSS SECRETARIAT* *P. O. Box 42926**, G.P.O. 00100** Nairobi, KENYA* *Tel: 0712 504 130, 020 359 3070* *Email: secretariatblbss at gmail.com * *Show Manager*: Mr Teurie van Helden 0735655676/0723736797 *Show Chairman*: Mary Nevill --- On *Thu, 2/5/09, Dr. Kenneth W. Wameyo * wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmwangi at consolidated-bank.com Tue Apr 14 02:17:43 2009 From: dmwangi at consolidated-bank.com (DENIS MWANGI) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:17:43 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? In-Reply-To: <561753.16576.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <946810.42380.qm@web24206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <561753.16576.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009d01c9bcc8$bdc8e2f0$395aa8d0$@com> Justo. Aii kweli watu hawasomi gazeti ama kutazama televisheni.During the protests in 2007 the Raila camp went on TV and shamelessly gave threats that as long as they are not heard then the protests shall continue as planned. It was a certain MP (definitely from ODM) who during a certain meeting which was officiated by the PM himself and the blood thirsty goons , after disagreeing about the mau said on camera that what they did in the 2008 clashes they will repeat the same believe that his real words were ''leta watu wenu namimi nilete wangu na tuone nani atashinda.ile ingine ilikuwa ndogo''that referring to the merciless slaughter of innocent Kenyans.These politicians in the ODM need to be ashamed for publicly displaying their greed for power.No wonder they will never get the seat. My friend 2012 will be a totally new arena where neither Martha Karua, uhuru kenyata,raila odinga nor kalonzo musyoka will get to the presidency. I believe there will be another person from nowhere who will get the seat. Denis.. From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justo Lwali Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:21 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? Bw Karanja, You know that I know those guys in the camps were sent there by Kibaki! He could have stopped the so called clashes but he loved the presidency more! bla bla bla indeed! _____ From: james karanja To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:24:57 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? bla bla bla Kenyans are dying of hunger while other are still in the camps and you still can join these goons (politicians) in their weird arguments --- On Fri, 10/4/09, Justo Lwali wrote: From: Justo Lwali Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 2:30 PM Ah, you people! You know the PM has gotten to where he is by speaking out! While the president has gotten to where he is by ... sitting on the fence while other guys fight it out. Two, and very important: people have been running all over town beating 'carpet' and 'befitting toilet' to pulp. That the PM is only concerned with things that make him look big but they conveniently ignore the other big issues he raised: 1. Guys have been told to disregard, disrespect, and ignore the PM (even PNU big three didn't say anything about that?) 2. That we can't go on having districts created at whim (Kalonzo, tongue in you-know-who's butt declared it is 'devolution' 3.. That PNU - Kibaki - is not consulting (even Narc-K has complained as much, but the PNU fellas went for 'we can't politicise the civil service....) 4. That all is not well (You saw Karua quit, Nick Wanjohi kicked outta State House, 71-year old Muhoho back at KAA etc) All I am saying is: Kibaki is messing up things then running to hide behind 'drought, recession ...' _____ From: David ochwangi To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31:58 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? Very well stated Moses! Admirable; the PM, the president and anybody else in leadership for that matter, must earn respect and when they don't through their actions, let's say so; don't sweep things under the rug and hope they figure it out; these fellows are just as human as we are and fraught with mistakes and natural frailties, they need to be corrected. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, ed moses wrote: From: ed moses Subject: [YP_Ke] Respect!!! Is the PM in Order......? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:48 AM Yesterday, Odhiambo Oketch was bitter with the PM's apparent focus on the trivial things of toilets and carpets. He would wish that he instead directs his energies on the bigger picture-pushing for full implementation of the accord. Well, I agreed with him then but as I was 'chewing cud' yesterday watching a replay of the footage of an angry PM on the dias, I remembered something that my father used to tell us....that it is the small things that big things are made of. I can empathise with the PMs anger now because I imagine it was not about toilets and carpets per se but about respect! If respect cannot be shown on the small things, would he be able to get respect on the mammoth ones? Haya, but that aint my question this morning. I'm also wondering (..from this email to the PM's ear), is respect demanded or earned?Would the PM earn respect by being insultive to the perceived object of his desrespect?Like we would learn from the good book, I think he should now learn to be turning the other cheek as it were because it still can work even as aspires to remain to be seen as a reformer.besides, we have seen many modern leaders, now adored heroes, do that on many occassions. I dont need to mention but I can already think of the Gandhis, the Luther Kings, the Mandelas, the Dalai lamas...If he wants us to perhaps remember him fondly like these, maybe the wrestling attitude should change. ama mnaona aje? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I had gone to visit with Duncan Osoro, who has been in jail for the last one year for rape allegations. While there, I saw and heard things that changed my view towards Duncan and challenged me to assist without any questions whatsoever: Here are my observations: -Life behind bars is very painful indeed! We should all learn to avoid such mistakes as will send us to jail. -On seeing Duncan, I would not help but shed into tears! Here is why! -Duncan is such an handsome young man and only 25 years old! -Duncan looks so innocent that you can not suspect him of causing any trouble! -Duncan was indeed very sorrowful for all that he has done ever since he got to this country and for the pain he has caused his single mother and siblings -In the course of our conversation, I was surprised to find out that Duncan hails from Itibo, Nyaramba, near Kiabonyoru high school, my first high school where I became sick on my left leg, the sickness that has yet to be cured. -His mum,(the former Sabela Oyaro) hails from Ogango, near my home. As a matter of fact, his uncle,(Bernard Masita,) was my youth/choir leader for many years. After I left, I called Duncans mum in Kenya, who started crying on hearing about her son. She made a personal plea that reminded me of the care, love and struggle that our parents go through! She made an appeal to assist Duncan to come out of jail and to ask him to repent and return to God! What else do we know about this case! -If convicted, Duncan will spent 12 years behind bars, at the end of which he will be asked to leave the country -Duncan was the hope of the family. His dear mother, brother and sister were looking up to him to assist them someday! -There is a possibility of him winning if he gets good attorneys! -To date, a total of $ 2, 500.00 has been raised and paid to the attorneys. The balance, $ 7,500.00 needs to be cleared to help the attorneys prepare for the June date. So,where should we go from here? -A lot has been said and written about this young man. I know that there has been more negative things that have been said than positive once. That said, I will to appeal to each and everyone to do three things: -Pray for Duncan -Forgive Duncan -And make a generous donation to help him come out and fight the case! I will be more than happy to hear from you! Blessings! Pr C.Absalom N. Birai 612-386-4608 www.themaranathasdachurch.org From grnyongesa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 08:25:58 2009 From: grnyongesa at yahoo.com (George Nyongesa) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] BungeBusia: BORN-AGAIN POLITICS AND POLITICIANS Message-ID: <897184.89988.qm@web51711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Bunge la Mwananchi wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bunge Busia Date: Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM Subject: BORN-AGAIN POLITICS AND POLITICIANS To: mwananchibunge at gmail.com Bunge la Mwananchi - Busia on: BORN-AGAIN POLITICS AND POLITICIANS IN KENYA ? Bunge la mwananchi - Busia -?is concern about the current trend in the politics of this country, to the effect that the 'born-again'?concept is being borrowed from church, only to confuse and convince kenyans about what they cannot see. Some politicians who played totaly disuniting role in the run up to the previous general election, and continued in the same tune during the post-election violence that they well promalgated and even appeared very consistent in politics of division?after?the signing of the National Accord; have suddenly changed reaction and are?no longer the same.? ? The question to ask is whether this is a true reflection of their?change of heart or simply a public show to suit positioning for the year 2012!? It is true that?inner change is always reflected on the outside, but the reverse is not always the case, especially in the politics of this country from time immemorial. Mwananchi is not in position to confuse change of brand name for total repackaging of a given commodity. Our challenge to these politicians who are busy displaying their born-again politics is for them to demonstrate complete adjustment of the ingredients, respective proportions and the resulting new product. Kenyan risk confusing a Hyena in Sheep's skin for a real Sheep. Yet there are some who have well made steps to the altar and declared their new spiritual status. This implys first that: As far as eternal life is concern, such declaration assures one of his candidature for heaven. Secondly, with respect to life on earth, this means repentance of previous misdeeds and opening of a fresh page with change of heart and intention. The former is totaly an issue of personal relations between one and his maker. in fact, God has already forgiven all the iniquities of the past; and He is no longer holding against such persons, isuues like the mistyrious disappearance of maize among others. Bunge la Mwananchi - Busia - is more interested in the later, for reasons that it has a bearing on the politics and leadership of this country. In the event that the former ways have been put behind and everything is new, then we expect no more loss of maize under the oversight of such leaders. As a matter of fact, we expect the low price maize flour at 52/- to soon flood the market to the relief of all Kenyans who are dying of hunger. Other expected indicators of the inner change as reflected on the outside spaerhaeding the campaign for MPs to pay tax, unravelling scandles such as the Triton Oil Scum in which the country lost amounts that could ensure no Kenyan dies of hunger at a time like this. These are just but few examples. Over and above all, Bunge la Mwananchi - Busia - does not expect any more scandles under the oversight of born-again national leadership and leaders. Bunge continues watching with both eyes, to see the impact of Born-again politicians on the politics of this country. At the same time, Bunge is watching with both eyes, to see the effect of born-again politics on the life of Mwananchi.? In the same spirit, Bunge continues to mobilize Mwananchi in looking forward to positive trends acruing to born-again politics and politicians in our Country, Kenya.? Written by Mr. Wandera Maurice Otunga Bunge la Mwananchi Busia - Matayos --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Visit the LYP website at http://ypkenya.org Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonditi at usiu.ac.ke Mon Apr 13 07:56:19 2009 From: tonditi at usiu.ac.ke (Tom Onditi) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:56:19 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Madd Madd World In-Reply-To: <716192.9926.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <771317.22627.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <991123400904120553g5c5cc8ebwd2ee73aae8bb6380@mail.gmail.com> <716192.9926.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oscar, Indeed the security situation in Eastlands is bad but so is it elsewhere in Nairobi and in the whole of Kenya. Even though security should be the concern of everyone, only a few people actually breach security and it is still insensitive to reveal the stereotype Maddo has done. Many people in Eastlands are not thugs. I believe he needs to apologize From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oscar oundo Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:09 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Madd Madd World there is nothing new about the security status of eastlands and one should not take offense about that. its true one of the worst places interms of security is eastlands home of thugs where young boys at the ages of 15 or so start jumping people in town others even own guns so there is no problem with maddo saying so. ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington To: youngprofessionals_ke at gooere glegroups.com Cc: maddo at itsmaddworld.com; Standard ; letters at eastandard.net; Sunday Standard ; africa-oped ; progressiveminds ; mulembe ; madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com; net-kenya at yahoogroups.com; NewVisionKenya at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:53:09 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Madd Madd World On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, odhiambo okecth > wrote: I take great exception to todays issue of Madd Madd World in the Standard Newspaper. The reference of Eastlandoz as the home of thugs is an abuse that we cannot accept. That Eastlandoz who wanted to go to carnivore mugged people to enable them go there is an affront on the integrity of us who stay in Eastlands. I demand an apology from Madd. I do not mug to enable me access places like Carnivore. I also know many people who stay in Eastlands who live honest lives. This issue is abussive to us. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. Excuse me guys, but while it's pretty unsafe in most parts on Nairobi, I always believed Eastlands is the most unsafe so Maddo is not telling us anything new, unless you guys just want to make some noise about a non-issue. Rather than try to get an apology from Maddo, we should be asking for that same apology from the Commish, who has not managed the insecurity in Nairobi, and in Kenya. Maddo just raised a pertinent issue. I haven't read that piece, but he's not far away from the truth, as much as I know. Why would it be seen as important for Maddo to make any apologies to anyone, when we know so well the security situation around Nairobi? If he pointed to my area, I wouldn't raise a finger, as I always have to watch my back everywhere in Nairobi. Tell us another, please, but leave Maddo with his opinion. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4003 (20090412) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Once the rightful winner, whom we all know was Raila, takes the office that he was resoundingly elected to, then Kenya will be able to move foreward. And there is no need to juxtaposition the two. Kibaki's failures are unique from Raila's failures. Trying to convince everyone into believing that both are responsible for the woes happening in the country is misleading. Kibaki wants to run the country as if he is the bonafide president and yet he knows he never won the elections. The discontent is coming from a lack of clarity as to why this man is dictating to Kenyans. --- On Sun, 4/12/09, david bett wrote: From: david bett Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Obama/Annan To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:17 AM Kamau, Now you are talking.? You forgot agenda # four which is to address past misrules. Without addressing those, even new constitution will be just a document. But the questions and tensions will continue. But I see good spirit in your approach. David "FOR IN HIM WE LIVE, MOVE AND EXIST" ACTS 17:28: AND THERE IS SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE ; FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED" ACTS 4:12 --- On Sat, 4/11/09, john kamau wrote: From: john kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Obama/Annan To: "young" Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 2:22 PM Time is up not only for Kenya, but for the United Nation and President Obama: to demonstrate leadership while dealing with the coalition Government issues in Kenya, before it?s too late. The Problems facing President Kibaki/ Prime Minister Raila are not of their making. This was a mistake made right from the onset of the formation of the so called grand coalition. Where in the world did we have too equal centers of power? Please note the contention is not the coalition or the institutions: It?s only the word Equal. Two steeling wheels, with two drivers in one motor vehicle? I do not care whether these two drivers will be Obama and Annan, or Kibaki and Raila... You can not climb a tree from the top. The two institutions, Prime Minister and presidency, should have been formed under the orbits of a constitutionally elected government and not the other way round...? An unconstitutional government can not pretend to form constitutional institutions... ?What we needed soon after the Serena Accord is a new constitution and Immediate Election under the watchful eye of the United Nations... ?Today Kenya is like the house of barbell. Raila and his ODM side of government are pulling on one side while Kibaki and PNU are pulling on the other. ?We can not pretend that things are Going on well for five years, the damage kibaki and Raila are doing will be irreparable. They are pulling the very fabrics that hold Kenya together in to tiny shreds. The world dictated to them to come together, the world can dictate to the two to give Kenya a new constitution. ?This will resolve the current institutional confusion. If we keep the office of the president, he will be operating within the constitutional frame work. The Prime minister two will know his boundaries. Ministers and civil servants will then be royal to the institutions of governance, not to the readers of their appointing parties. ?Kenya will then become what it should have been, a country heading straight to the vision 2030. And more.? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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" One random act of kindness a day" ________________________________ From: josiah ogalo To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 6:52:05 Subject: [YP_Ke] KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham YPs, Hi guys,hope the long easter wkend did u good. Just want to commend KTN for the well researched series they normally bring 'jicho pevu'. Of special mention is the 'Track it' car sham,if ur car wuz fitted with a gadget from this company just take it for checking to confirm that this is true. These guys are involved in a car theft syndicate across borders. It's shocking n anyone you know who has bn using this company's facility to withdraw. What a sham? Regards Josiah -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From azaliamissi at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 14 03:08:07 2009 From: azaliamissi at yahoo.co.uk (Azali amissi) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <456077.96736.qm@web23702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Kudos to the KTN team,and would request this guys be? given security with the magnitude of the scams this guys are exposing I think it would be wise if this is done immediately we all know how fighting crime and corruption is a risky a fair in Kenya. --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk wrote: From: Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 9:56 AM RE: [YP_Ke] KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham Its so typical of Kenyan businesses.? Its a classic "Mgema akisifiwa, tembo hulijaza maji".? After they made their name and got the confidence of the market, they decided to dilute their services. Serves them right, the white-collar conmen!! -----Original Message----- From: josiah ogalo [mailto:josiah.ogalo at gmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2009 06:52 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham YPs, Hi guys,hope the long easter wkend did u good. Just want to commend KTN for the well researched series they normally bring 'jicho pevu'. Of special mention is the 'Track it' car sham,if ur car wuz fitted with a gadget from this company just take it for checking to confirm that this is true. These guys are involved in a car theft syndicate across borders. It's shocking n anyone you know who has bn using this company's facility to withdraw. What a sham? 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URL: From alkamyoyo at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 08:09:55 2009 From: alkamyoyo at yahoo.com (Allen Kamunde) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] ACCIDENT AT TEMBO DISCO UNCOMPROMISED PARTY Message-ID: <428870.90479.qm@web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hey all, ? there was an accident at Tembo disco at night on Saturday, 11th april 2009, where some young people queeing at the Gate waiting to buy tickets were hit by a truck that veered of the road trying to avoid a matatu that was parked in the middle of the road. ? More that 4 young guys lost their lives and unfortunately have not heard any reports about the accident from our media houses. ? I was wondering could the journalist and the reporters have been compromised not to report about the accident because am sure there were many of them there and there are some families still looking for their children not knowing they are lying in mortuaries. ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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It is offensive for Maddo to insinuate that all those who mugged people at Carnivore, or for that matter, those who mugg people in town are from Eastlands. ? Crime is bad and Eastlands must not be used as a crime reference. ? I am proud that I am staying in the East of Nairobi and I am not a criminal. The same applies to the many honest people who stay in Eastlands. Crime must not be tagged. And if it must be tagged, the use of Eastlands is segregative. ? It is like there are no criminals at Southlands, Westlands, or Northlands. ? For Maddo to associate crime with Eastlands is abussive to us. I demand apologies. ? Odhiambo T?Oketch, Komarock Nairobi.? --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Odhiambo Washington wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Madd Madd World To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:33 AM On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, odhiambo okecth wrote: ?know that crime is an issue. But if there is crime at Carnivore, must it be by those from Eastlands? ? That was my beef. Well, they guys needed to have been identified (by where they stay). You'd be surprised:-) However, I think it was easier to use Eastlands as a case scenario as it's got a better reputation The issue though is not just about Eastlands, but about security. I'd rather look at it that way. The Eastlanders are no worse than one, Nitin Shah of "Track IT". -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. ?Naked people have little or no influence on society." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Mark Twain --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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For more info, write back on travellions at yahoo.co.uk ? ? ? --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Simiyu wrote: From: Simiyu Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:56 AM This is a business opportunity.Can a mechanic start a garage for checking if the devices were fitted!!If none can somebody hook me up with a mechanic On Apr 14, 10:16?am, Duncan Mukora wrote: > Yes, I also need to know where to take my car to be checked if it really was fitted... > > Their fons are going unanswered... > > ~D > > ________________________________ > From: sheila chepkonga > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:57:16 AM > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham > > I agree with Josiah some of us have been blindly convinced that this facility is actually in our vehicles. Does one know where to take the vehicles for inspection because at these rate we want our money back..... > > Sheila Chepkonga. > > " One random act of ?kindness a day" > > ________________________________ > ?From: josiah ogalo > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 6:52:05 > Subject: [YP_Ke] KTN Jicho pevu 'Track it' sham > > YPs, > Hi guys,hope the long easter wkend did u good. > Just want to commend KTN for the well researched series they normally > bring 'jicho pevu'. Of special mention is the 'Track it' car sham,if > ur car wuz fitted with a gadget from this company just take it for > checking to confirm that this is true. > These guys are involved in a car theft syndicate across borders. > It's shocking n anyone you know who has bn using this company's > facility to withdraw. > What a sham? > Regards > Josiah > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I assign you number 8, central midfielder?, in defense of Kenya. We still have a team to make; 1] The Goal Keeper; 2] Right full back; 3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo 4] Central defender; 5] Stopper; Kuria Mwangi 6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch 7] Right winger; 8] Central Midfielder; Judy Miriga 9] Striker; James Nduko 10] Distributor; 11] Left winger;Nicholas Oyoo Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators. They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch Komarock Nairobi. --- On Sat, 4/11/09, jbatec at yahoo.com wrote: From: jbatec at yahoo.com Subject: Raila Claims Sabotage in Coalition To: Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 9:36 AM Folks, This sounds more to the right angle and PM Raila here?is demanding what is?rightly his according to agreement signed? -? ?(give credit where it is due).???? Kibaki with those around him must adhere to the Coalition agreement pact of equal share in the Coalition Government.? Some people, because of malicious,?are taking issues to?taint PM Raila to seem like a simpleton, yet he is just stating a fact.? They do this because they want to get away with cheating so easy.? At this point, and because I stand for equality, unity and peace -?I will stand for the truth for reconcilliation and peace and so, I will point directly on that which is wrong in plain language stating facts, like I have done previousely, why Kibaki and PNU are wrong.? The PNU folks and their supporters behave as if the rest of the world?with other thinking beings lost their reasoning?power and have no common sense except they think they are too shrewedly twisted?to get away with every crook and also that they are too smart to keep pushing people to the edge.? People get tired at some point?from constant bully.??In Kenya, people have reached dead end. When it gets to this point, it gets nasty.... ? ? What is bringing bad blood, hate and disunity?must be scuttled and diminished before it turns to cancer.? To those who are holding gun on one side supporting evils of?Kibaki and PNU?meanness,?are doing Kenya a lot of deservice, when?in actual fact, the world?can see with clear eyes that Kibaki and foes are selfish, insensitive and boisterous? to the plights of Kenya. These are some of issues when not tackled fairly would cause serious repercusions,?revolt and can push everyone to the extreme?in order to?settle scores?by way of physical confrontation?or a fight.? It looks like Kibaki and PNU are keen on a fight and they will not settle at all costs for peaceful resolution.? Those who feel Kibaki with PNU fellows are on the right path are all wrong and are instigators.? What Kibaki and team?are doing is hard stance standoff so they can have their way.? They are the ones pushing ODM team to the edge.? We will not let this happen.? PNU and Kibaki MUST be forced to cede by all means.? If PM Raila and ODM allows?themselves to be walked on as weaklings, they cannot protect interests of their electorates and therefore, have no business to be leaders. ?They have learned their lessons and must stand on the path of rightousness in order to gain peoples confidence.? We will through Civil Networking, remove those bend?on cultivating?disunity and hate amongst Kenyans.?? ? If the Agreement Pact?was equal share 50/50, it must be seen both in paper and in practice to be so. Anything less means something is seriously wrong and the Coalition Government is Null and Void so each and every individual must stand up to be counted. ? This time round, let the whole world without wasting time, along with the civil society confront Kibaki directly without mincing words.?Kibaki and Team are the problem here.? Kibaki and PNU are?too greedy?embrace reform,? they will not come to terms at whatever cost or ignit their?senses to reality unless they are given a jump-start and?unless force is administered on them. That is the only way to wake them up.? They have completely buried their head on sand and left their bottom up in the air. ?To continue pleading with them, is like playing instrumental melodious musical guitar to a goat.? ? Kenya is a beautiful Country with Wonderful majority people who painstakingly and with?patient?coexisted peacefully amongst the?42 tribes. Although in the past,?the dictatorship influence of Government control ruled by threats and manipulation, we struggled with casualties in ugly fights every election time with expection?that, through perseverance we will?achieve justified democratic rule of governance.? This time round, we?are fully committed,?that?in order?to acquire unity and peace and restore order we so cherish, and because we care so much for each other as Kenyans so much so that?we cannot?let Kenya fall apart, we will not let go this bullhead thievery behaviour without measure of punishement to those incorrigible thug-like-leaders.? We must stamp out corruption and graft.? We must expose and take head on, all evils?against Kenyans without fear, now?and in the future.? We will?make noise and confront?anything that seem to cause disunity?as well as those?that which is capable to disrupt peace amongst peace loving Kenyans so we can clean the house of leadership from bad elements.? We want to restore the beauty and glamour?of Kenya as a people (wether in Kenya or Abroad), the Kenya we use to enjoy,?the Kenya we want.? We must go to all lengths to improve socio/economic and?beauty of Kenya we all Want.?We must consequently, shape the Political Landscape of Kenya. ?We have been known as a hub for peace in our social coexistance and for what we demonstrated over the years.? We will not let anybody take it away from us, because, God?will continue to be?on our side.? Amen..... ? Thank you, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com ? ? ? Watch this.............. ? ? Raila claims sabotage in coalition Updated 19 hr(s) 40 min(s) ago Related Stories Cabinet divided one year after signing deal You have failed us, Kibaki, Raila told No one will die of hunger, says Kibaki Waki: MPs push for ?third? option Raila tells off cleric for criticising Government Bill: What went wrong for the Big Guns? By Oscar Obonyo Prime Minister Raila Odinga is livid and the object of his annoyance is President Kibaki whom he accuses of betraying him after signing a power sharing accord 13 months ago. He captured his disappointment with the President in a one-liner: "You have let down the people of this great nation". According to the PM, the situation is worse than most Kenyans can imagine. Prodded by The Standard on Saturday to disclose more, Raila declined stating, "Soon, everything will come to the open." The PM also spoke about the cat-and-mouse games he has been subjected to in the coalition, the decisions that have been made behind his back, and the ridicule he has suffered as his partner in the coalition openly contradicted him. Raila stuck to the tone that saw him this week dismiss the way the Government was being run as ?primitive? and jua kali (unsophisticated) style. Raila spoke to The Standard on Saturday a week after his open falling out with Kibaki at the Kilaguni Serena Safari Lodge, Tsavo. This was where talks of a sub-committee of the Cabinet led by the two principals, collapsed. The two leaders who have not met since flew back empty handed. Likewise, the Grand Coalition Cabinet, which has split along party lines by raging debate on how much executive power President Kibaki let go to Raila, has not met. The leaders have been pursuing their own separate diaries ? away from each other ? even as Kenya?s latest political predicament is sucked into the international radar. Speaking a few days before his first anniversary as the second Prime Minister, Raila regretted that while the President and his Party of National Unity stalwarts were bent on frustrating him and his Orange Democratic Movement?s brigade, the move was hurting the public. Damage control strategy He spoke of deliberate ploy to cripple his ?supervisory? and ?co-ordination? of operation of Government ministries. He this was hindering the coalition from delivering on its promises to wananchi. "These are the issues I wanted to raise in Kilaguni, but the meeting failed to take off. It was then agreed that we embark on damage control strategy, which included, in part, President Kibaki and myself reading a statement jointly to assure Kenyans all was well. I rejected the move, because all is not well," Raila said, emphatically. His latest criticism of Kibaki come barely a day after the President called for restraint and tolerance among politicians in his Easter message. Ever since the Kilaguni talks fell apart, the PM has dropped his traditional disposition since he took office that he had no problem with Kibaki, he was sharing power on a 50-50 ratio, the coalition will hold until 2012, and this is not time for divisive politics. The PM alleged a systematic and well-choreographed strategy to isolate him from Government?s key operations. Pointing at recent visits of Heads of Stateof Iran, Burundi and Turkey, the PM said he was kept in the dark and was never invited for inter-governmental meetings with the visiting presidents. In all instances, he said, he got the information when the leaders had arrived and his office hurriedly organised for "courtesy calls". "Even if I am not needed in the meetings, can?t they ask me to second my staff to at least take notes of the proceedings? How do they keep me out and at the same time expect me to effectively co-ordinate the functions of Government?" he asked. But it is the handling of the murders of Oscar Foundation officials, Oscar Kinga?ra and John Oulu that irked PM most. The two human rights activists were gunned down near the University of Nairobi, triggering protests from students and the civil society. In letter dated March 9, addressed to Internal Security Minister George Saitoti, the PM directed Government immediately engages America?s Federal Bureau Investigation to unravel the mysterious murders. To the PM?s dismay, however, he got a call from US Ambassador Michael Ranneberger informing him that the Kenyan Government had declined offer of FBI help. War against graft A letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated the Government was not interested in help, as it had adequate capacity to handle the cases. "The minister not only snubbed my letter, but instead communicated to his Foreign Affairs colleague, who in turn wrote to the US Embassy. And you can imagine, all these funny games were going on behind my back!" reacts the PM. On war against graft, the PM says he personally recommended suspensions of former Kenya Pipeline Corporation Managing Director George Okungu, following the Triton oil scandal and Achieng? Ong?ong?a of Kenya Tourism Board, for alleged impropriety. However, his words fell on deaf ears when it came to the Kenya Airports Authority Managing Director George Muhoho. Instead, Muhoho, 71, who is linked to the controversial, multi-billion-shilling project by Qatari investors on Jomo Kenyatta International Airport land, was awarded an extended contract. "Have I not exhibited my resolve to deal with graft, irrespective of one?s tribe or political affiliation? So why did everything halt when I touched on Muhoho?" he posed. Muhoho is a former minister, and uncle of Finance Minister Uhuru Kenya. Regarding the raging debate over his salary, the PM said he received a letter of appointment from the President spelling out his salary, job description, and duties. He describes the President?s gesture as "derogatory and disrespectful". "He gave me an appointment letter, same as those handed out to ministers. How can one partner purport to employeethe other and even spell out his roles, which are ? by the way ? in the public domain as they are enshrined in the constitution?" the PM went on. Noting that salaries of senior Government officials, including the President?s, are too high and need "to be slashed considerably". Raila explained his was not a campaign for pay. "This issue is not about the amount but rather the principle. As a partner in the coalition, I will not accept to be remunerated at par with a deputy of my partner. That is demeaning and abusive to members of my side of the coalition," he stated. However, the PM could not be drawn into discussing the Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka?s apparent role in aiding or frustrating the operations of the coalition. "That is the President?s problem. I cannot discuss him because he is the president?s guest in this arrangement," said the PM. Raila also said some ministers from PNU were not co-operating with him. While they initially showed interest in working with him, he claims they "create all sorts of excuses to stay away from my meetings or functions". Presidential functions The PM maintains this is not true about ODM-allied ministers, during presidential functions. But the startling observation on this, revolves around the PM and his deputies. In the same manner the VP welcomes the President at the airport on arrival from a foreign trip or at public functions is the same way Raila anticipates his deputies to relate with him. However, Musalia Mudavadi does, but not Uhuru. "Uhuru and some of his colleagues in PNU have refused to accept the reality that ODM is in Government. That is why he can afford to be contemptuous of his boss (PM)," observes Raila. ? User comments(1) 1. On Friday April 10, 2009, 19:20 PM , John of Anaheim CA, United States wrote: ? If this article is true, then all I can say is that the war has nothing to do with me and other Kenyans but RAW POWER. Some things are even annoying such as who welcomes who at the airport and who should earn what salary. Are these the leaders we expect to lead us to industrialization and development? We are in for a rude shock. ? ? ? Journalist receives death threats ? Updated 21 hr(s) 6 min(s) ago Related Stories Muite threat claim a media stunt, police say Ringera accuses MPs of fuelling graft, laziness Sackings start this week ? PM Students? protests marked by destruction and looting Police killings: Envoy wants Wako, Ali sacked UN official to probe claims of police killings By Standard Reporter The Standard Group management has written to the Police Commissioner over threats to its reporter who declined a bribe and exposed the story of the death of a schoolgirl in Gilgil. Mr Paul Wanyagah, the Group Managing Director, has urged Police Commissioner Hussein Ali to ensure the safety of the reporter Alex Kiprotich. Kiprotich, last month, turned down a bribe to dissuade him from filing the story on the death of a pupil at Gilgil Hill Academy. In a letter dated April 9, which is copied to the Group?s deputy Chairman and Strategy Advisor Paul Melly and other media houses, Wanyagah requests the police boss to investigate the matter. Intimidating messages "The Standard Group would like to bring to your office?s attention that Alex has been receiving several messages intimidating and even threatening his life. "It is our belief that some of these threats are likely to be emanating from criminal elements believed to have links with the police," the letter reads in part. It adds: "As our reporter is now living in fear for his life and not even sure whether to report the same or not to the police, we would be most appreciative if your office urgently attended to this concern and further, to request for an urgent investigation into the matter. We seek a guarantee and assurance of Alex?s safety." On March 15, The Standard on Sunday carried the story of a cry for justice by distraught parents of the girl who died aged 12 in mysterious circumstances last July. Mr Joseph Koech and his wife Rose of Nakuru have for the last eight months sought to know what caused the death of their daughter, Linda Chepkorir at the institution. The proprietor of Gilgil Hills Academy Isaac Kamunya Waithaka was on March 17, charged with trying to corruptly influence the journalist from publishing the article on the death of the pupil. Waithaka, who was arrested by Kacc officers, has denied three counts of corruption and economic crimes. The case is before a Nakuru court. ? Obama says he is watching Kenya keenly ? Updated 20 hr(s) 14 min(s) ago Related Stories Clergy step up pressure on Coalition ?Kibaki calls ministers for urgent talks Bill: What went wrong for the Big Guns? By James Ratemo US President Barack Obama has raised the profile of calls on President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to resolve the political impasse. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, also said he was concerned with the status of corruption and wrangling in the Government. US envoy Michael Ranneberger(right) and German counterpart Walter Lindner at a press conference , on Friday. Photo: Boniface Okendo/ Standard."US has a strong interest in the political stability of Kenya?Kenya is too important to fail. It is not me saying this, this is shared by the highest level of my Government," said America?s ambassador to Kenya, Michael Rannerberger, who delivered the message. Outgoing German Ambassador Walter Lindner called for toning down of emotions among politicians, saying the European Union was also concerned about Kenya?s unstable coalition. "Leaders should tone down their language to avoid premature polarisation. Current reactions and counter reactions will be like a snowball that can ignite a campaign mode," warned the envoy. The diplomats dismissed early elections as an alternative and said the campaign mode already engulfing the country was unnecessary. "Elections will be the worst alternative to embrace. I appeal to the political class to tone down (their) language, stop an early campaign, roll up sleeves and go back to work," said Lindner. "If you start election campaign mode nothing moves. We are three-and-half-years to elections but already politicians have started. All leaders should address reform issues," he added. Ranneberger said political bickering had distracted the country from the reform agenda, a scenario not taken lightly by Washington. "If the country cannot move ahead, Kenya?s democracy will be at stake. Both sides (ODM and PNU) share equal responsibility of the problems in the grand coalition?Secretary of state, Hillary Clinton is closely following what is happening in Kenya," he added. "Having an election prematurely is recipe to turn the country into chaos. This is not the time to talk about elections?very soon I will be seeing both the PM and President to relay the concern Washington has for the Kenyan situation," he said. The two envoys jointly addressed journalists at German ambassador?s residence, barely a week after the falling out between President Kibaki and Raila during the aborted talks of a sub-committee of the Cabinet at Serena Safari Lodge, Kilaguni. The two had led their Cabinet members for the retreat that never was. It was aimed at silencing dissent in Cabinet and sorting out the problems facing the coalition. ?Primitive? and ?Jua kali? The meeting aborted after both the President?s Party of National Unity and Raila?s Orange Democratic Movement could not agree on the agenda. Raila?s side wanted implementation of national accord be revisited , including the 50-50 per cent power sharing deal, because his team felt it was being taken for granted, while Kibaki?s side argued this was a bridge the country crossed long ago. Days later, Raila accused Kibaki of letting junior officers humiliate him by contradicting him in public. He then dismissed Kibaki?s mode of governance as ?primitive? and Jua kali (archaic) style. The coalition was in the next week jolted by the resignation from the Cabinet by one of Kibaki?s hitherto staunchest allies ? Justice Minister Martha Karua ? who has vowed her name will be on the presidential ballot papers in 2012 General Election. Speaking for the first time since the resignation of Karua, President Kibaki on Thursday called on politicians to mind their language and redirect their energies to reforms and development. The National Council of Churches of Kenya and the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims have publicly called for fresh elections if the coalition fails to pull together. However, following the disbandment of the discredited Electoral Commission, and the onset of Interim Independent Electoral Commission, whose chair is yet to be approved by Parliament , the country may not go to polls soon because there would be no presiding body. Lindner, whose country is also led by a fractious but relatively more efficient grand coalition, pleaded with Kenyans not to rush for another election, arguing it was normal for a coalition to shake. He added it there is no problem Kibaki and Raila cannot solve if they have the will. "In Germany we have a coalition government committee burning the midnight oil to iron out issues. If they fail they bring it to leaders. I do not see anything unsolvable. The politicians only need will to solve," he advised. A recent survey in Germany by The Standard revealed despite the country going to elections in September, no public campaigns have started ,unlike in Kenya already doing it when the exercise is still far away. Call to mend relationship In Germany, campaigns start three months to the election. This gives leaders ample time to focus on development agenda. On Karua, Lindner said such a scenario was normal in a coalition but called for a competent replacement. "Of course nobody is irreplaceable. This is not outside democracy. She was good. We worked together. I would rather she continued. In the replacement we need an equally reform-oriented person," he said. Ranneberger added: "We need honest and constructive debate on issues in contention. They (Kibaki and Raila) have done it before. They can do it again. They started with an excellent relationship, they need to recapture that spirit." ? --- On Thu, 4/9/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Fw: Re: Vs: My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite To: "Judy Miriga" Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:34 AM --- On Thu, 4/9/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Re: Vs: My Life is In Danger, Claims Muite To: "Paul Nyandoto" , "jaluo" , "Rt Hon Raila Odinga" Cc: ombare at abo.fi, wojwang at alcatel-lucent.com, Dhiamby at aol.com, P.OKOTH at cgiar.org, otoche at gmail.com, patrickobiero at gmail.com, "dickens odhiambo" , otienoskaper at googlemail.com, owahil at hetnet.nl, okelpat at hotmail.com, omondigyoung at hotmail.com, tonyobila at hotmail.com, voduor at hotmail.com, okoko.g at ke.celtel.com, pa at kisumurural.org, hellen.ooko at missioneco.org, owino.opondo at nation.co.ke, bokoth at nationalbank.co.ke, ookolloh at post.harvard.edu, samokello at sahelpublishing.net, ongwen at sodnet.or.ke, otienoyogo at swiftkisumu.com, okwach at todays.co.ke, "Patrick Ochieng" , okelloo at un.org, oluochb at un.org, opiyo2 at un.org, otienoj at un.org, onyango at welho.com, dailynewsarusha at yahoo.co.uk, "Fredrick Odhiambo" , vongore at yahoo.co.uk, williamodr at yahoo.co.uk, Julius Okelo juliusokelo at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:28 AM Friends, Country men, To be a player, you must put your eye on the ball. Let us put our eye on the ball and fix this thing once and for all. The time is now and yes, we can do it. If we put our eye