From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 10:56:21 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Determined to journey on! Message-ID: <698620.18693.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In my life time, I have embarked on three different journeys, and planned for 5 graduations! Wow! Encouraged by my parents amidst dire poverty, I embarked on an academic journey that took me to 3 primary schools, 4 high/secondary schools and 2 universities. In this journey, I pleaded with the man of Galilee to help me attain the highest education possible, and yet remain as meek as Moses; Yea, more than Moses, the man of Galilee Himself! Indeed, the good Lord heard my plea. I have since taken part in three graduations! I am not done with my request in that I am still working on becoming more like the man of Galilee-my Savior and Lord. In December 1980, I embarked on another school. I joined the university of marriage. So that you may know, I applied for 13 entries but all were turned down. When I was about to give up, a woman called Rachel, accepted my request. Rachel and I have been in this university for 28 years! Hallelujah! Every time I think that I am making progress, I find myself back to square A. I am made to understand that in this university, there is no graduation! That being the case, I will continue studying and taking notes. The last journey and perhaps the most important one took place somewhere in between the first one and the second one. I joined the university of Jesus. Of all my instructors, the man of Galilee, has been the principal per excellence. I have learned a lot under His feet. Every time I have been tempted to drop, and believe when I say that those moments have been many, He has encouraged me to journey on. Thank God! Yes, Indeed, many are the times that like Moses, I have been tempted to strike the rock twice, but His grace has been sufficient. And with His daily encouragement, I will journey on until I see Him face to face. How has been your journey? Just a thought! Pr Birai From phanishamalla at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 08:20:34 2009 From: phanishamalla at gmail.com (phanice shamalla) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:20:34 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Waki report Message-ID: <28c47c360903010520g62368f96kef846d4d3c0e97ad@mail.gmail.com> Can anybody email me this right now? Phanice --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I cannot say why I have chosen you but don't be bothered about this, for I come in peace and something positive, which will affect your life and the lives of others for good. The internet has made the world a global village where you can reach anybody you have not met before. Before I proceed, I am Mother Emily Olivier, 87 Years old and the wife of Late Sir Jackman Olivier who died in a Plane crash on Monday the 7th of September 1998 GMT 14:22 UK while flying from New York to Geneva. You may confirm this from this link http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9809/swissair.victims.list/index.html After the death of my husband, I headed his investment and now that I am old I have decided to spend the rest of my life with my family and relatives whom I never had time for during my active business life. Before the death of my husband, we had plans to use the last days of our lives to disburse part of our resources to serve the needs of the less-privileged and whatever left for ourselves and relatives. But unfortunately, my husband is not alive today to do this with me, hence I have decided it on behalf of my late husband and I. I have willed out half of our assets to charities in different countries. In addition to the agreement between my late husband and I to give aid to the deprived, we resolved to positively touch the life of an individual we have not met in life, the reason being that when we were younger we received help from an unknown individual, whom we have not met till this day. The impact we got from such gesture made us to do same to you now. I am sorry to inform you that you will never have the chance to know me because I have just concluded the assignment which my husband and I have agreed upon before his sudden death and you happened to be the beneficiary of our last WILL, irrespective of your previous financial status I need you to do me a favor by accepting our offer. 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Sincerely, Emily Olivier Jackman emiolivier at gmail.com From owuorvince at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 11:38:09 2009 From: owuorvince at gmail.com (Vince) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:38:09 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Flat for rental Message-ID: <49336b3e0903010838w5de13668l1abdb53ac690ac46@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, I am looking for 20 units and above in one compound-2bedrooms and 3bedrooms unfurnished apartment. The apartment should be within Kilimani,Yaya,Lavington,upper hill areas.I have a budget of 30,000/= and 40,000/=. send me information on this. Regards -- Vincent Owuor P.O.Box 12714 GPO Nairobi, Kenya Cell.+254 714 606 549, 729 666 421 or +254 733 158 072 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <224971.53373.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?Kwekwe? squad on the spot over sect killings Published on Related Stories VP dismisses UN report on police killings Government rejects report on atrocities Police Commissioner blamed for killings Police killings: Envoy wants Wako, Ali sacked By Cyrus Ombati The UN investigator on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston?s report has indicted a special police squad over the deaths of suspected Mungiki sect followers. Just like many other elite squads in the force, Kwekwe, was formed in July 2006 when macabre beheadings and extortions linked to Mungiki were at their peak. It was formed days after President Kibaki issued a warning to the sect on June 1, 2006 after the members killed a chief and assistant chief in his Othaya constituency. Kibaki warned that no one could defeat the Government and whoever was behind the murders would be punished. "Don?t think you will kill and get away with it. You will be caught and be killed because you cannot compete with us," warned Kibaki. As if they were provoking the State, days after the announcement, a group believed to be sect members attacked the rural home of then Internal Security Minister John Michuki. It was then that senior officers were ordered to assemble an elite squad and equip it. By then, matatu operators on several routes had held demonstrations and complained of harassment by criminal gangs. Equally, a section of Nairobi and Central Province residents were protesting, saying criminal gangs were harassing them and extorting money. Within two months, the Mungiki gangs had killed eleven police officers and taken their guns. And in anger, some residents took the law into their hands in Kiambu and smoked out some of the sect members. In slums like Mathare in Nairobi, the situation was worse as the sect members controlled most businesses and imposed illegal taxes. by any means necessary ?Kwekwe? was formed and ordered to use all means to rout out the sect. A team of 14 officers were selected and given vehicles, cash, matatu crew uniforms and other resources. Members of the squad were drawn from various units within the CID. The officers have some of the best training in crime prevention. The squad was initially commanded from Nairobi Area offices and the officers combed the city, Rift Valley and Central provinces where they arrested suspects. Whereas other human rights organisations say close to 500 Mungiki suspects have died in the operations, the director of Oscar Foundation argued yesterday he had documented over 1,721 cases. Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 05:32:01 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 02:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Why Kenya's Police Kill Message-ID: <678712.78565.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Why Kenya's police kill Frustrated with the justice system, officers take matters into their own hands, killing hundreds without objection from the state Comments (0) The UN's Philip Alston said the scale of police killings in Kenya was the worst he had ever encountered. More than 500 young people have been killed by police in Kenya in the last few years, chiefly by squads specifically set up for this mission. Alston, a UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, called for the sacking of the country's police commissioner, Major General Hussein Ali, and the attorney general, Amos Wako. But it really was not news. The Kenyan public has long complained that the police engage in extrajudicial killings. It is well known, for instance, that anyone wishing for an early death at the muzzle of a gun need only be tagged as belonging to the dreaded Mungiki group or the Mt Elgon's Sabaot Land Defence Force. But their objections were always met by either deafening silence or denial from the government. The Mungiki group is an outlawed association of youth, mainly from the central region of the country. The members are known to engage in strict oathing ceremonies, are highly secretive and protective of their own and are known to be ruthless to those who betray them or go against their dictates. Its hallmarks were the circumcision of women and the sniffing of tobacco, which used to be practised as traditional Kikuyu customs. But the group soon began to terrorise Kenyans, extorting money from businesses and in some towns forcibly circumcising women. In some parts of Kenya, women could not go out wearing jeans or tight trousers. They were stripped naked. To deal with this group, the government proscribed it and the police started arresting the members. But they could not uphold the charges and keep them locked away in jails. The members retaliated by beheading anyone whom they suspected of betraying them to the police. Hundreds of youths started disappearing from their homes, plucked out in the dead of night and executed. In some villages in central Kenya, hundreds of young men have disappeared. It is suspected that they were executed. If the police had any issues with you, all they needed to do was to label you a "Mungiki member" or a "notorious and badly wanted criminal". And they always had the blessings of their seniors. The argument by some police officers I have talked to sounds only distantly logical, and a touch weird. They say that since the courts have been unable to deal with suspects, always setting them free on technicalities, and because some suspects are able to bribe their way out of jail anyway, the police have been left no option than to deal with the suspects in their own way. Sometimes the police say they know who the country's most notorious criminals are but somehow they always seem to get out of jail when they bust them. And then they come for them. "Why do I have to take you to court while I know you are a robber, and indeed have killed police officers, knowing fully well that you will certainly come out and bump me off?" one police officer asked me. Underlining all this is the utter failure of the judicial system to deal with crime. This has contributed to the bizarre response that police seem to have adopted. The courts, they argue, would not help them stamp out proscribed and dangerous organisations, so they have to do it themselves. And besides, when crime escalates, it is the police who are blamed. To appear to be working, they seem to resort to summary executions. Police are also highly protective of their own. A month ago, an officer allegedly shot the son of a politician after a quarrel over a woman in a bar. Then he boldly reported that he had shot a "Mungiki" member and "a notorious criminal". He could have got away with it ? had the young man been an ordinary Kenyan. The case attracted media attention and the officer was promptly arrested. There are unconfirmed reports that the officer may have killed others but had got off scot-free because his colleagues had protected him. Some officers have always known that when they get caught up in this kind of mess, their colleagues and seniors will protect them by either having them transferred from their stations or hushing up the cases. After all, who prepares the charge sheets for the courts? Are they not the same police officers? How are they then expected to set themselves against their own? Besides, those whose loved ones have disappeared (or were executed) are expected to make those reports at the police stations. In the absence of a police watchdog, the police know they can cover up their colleagues' crimes. In fact, very few police officers accused of extrajudicial killings have ever been prosecuted. The police are therefore their own policemen and women. Characteristically, the government has always denied the existence of police killer squads. When the report was made public, the government spokesman, Alfred Mutua, denounced it, saying that Alston, who had been invited by the government to help dig out the truth about the killings, had exceeded his mandate. It is this kind of denial that has given the police the impetus to act with the impunity they now seem to enjoy. Source: guardian.co. uk Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com Mon Mar 2 02:32:20 2009 From: Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com (Anthony Wangondu) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:32:20 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: In defense of the Police In-Reply-To: <667892.21950.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <330721.97910.qm@web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <667892.21950.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586D6A1D828B@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Last night a gang of 8 jumped over the fence of the plot neighbouring mine, and killed the watchman. They were however, seen by a G4S patrol car who together with a KK patrol car (none of whom are assigned to the victim plot or ours) followed the gang. The gang members were jumping into the neighbourhood houses, causing chaos, shooting in the air. I personally stopped watching the Man U penalty shoot out to ensure that my gals were out of the way of possible gun-fire. These brave men, accompanied by the embedded policeman, managed to apprehend 7 (presumably one escaped), saving one from angry residents bent on a 'extra-judicial' killing. We have seen an increase of these murderous gangs, be they Mungiki or "haki yetu" types and if left unchecked, we will all live in fear of mafia type gangs who will then openly demand protection fee from all of us. It is a scary prospect. NO amount of hunger, joblessness, despair or alleged anger about elections can justify killing, stealing, looting, raping or depriving citizens of their peace and tranquillity. If any of those guys had got into my house, there was going to be no debate about his life. Let's not be naive. I therefore agree with the order to eliminate murderous gangs, while appreciating that this could be misused by a few rotten policemen. We must never live in fear, just to satisfy the UN guy, we must never live in fear in our own homes. From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of odhiambo okecth Sent: 02 March 2009 08:59 To: madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com; mailbox at nation.co.ke; mediakenya at yahoo.co.uk; mulembe; mwananchi at egroups.com; mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; Nation; newvisionkenya at egroups.com; NewVisionKenya at yahoogroups.com; next_kenya at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: luv4self_network at yahoogroups.com; lwanyeki at khrc.or.ke; Mail Mars Group; Maina Kiai; mbonbani at yahoogroups.com; mwananchi; net-kenya at yahoogroups.com; Africare- NewPublications; News Desk; ugandacom; VOU Subject: [YP_Ke] In defense of the Police I do not support the extra judicial killings by the police and the police must be held to account. But on the other side, let us be fair to the police. I will give this in the form of what happened to an Inspector of Police who is a friend. This is a real life situation. He had been assigned to track down one of the most dreaded criminals in Kenya. He indeed succeeded in arresting this chap, had him arraigned in court, presented a water tight case in court that made this chap get a sentence of seven years in jail. Two weeks down the line, as he was having drinks with friends, a round of beer was brought to their table. On asking who had bought for them the round, he was shown a chap who was seated in a corner with other friends. He froze in his seat. He thought he was seeing doubles. This was the dangerous criminal he had taken time to trail and apprehend. This is the chap who had only been jailed for seven years two weeks ago. He asked himself, how did the man get out of jail? These are some of the frustrations our police face in the course of their duties. They take their time to trail thugs, have them arrested, take them to court and get them convicted, only for them to be back on the street. In our imaginations, how do we help such gallant police officers who work against all odds to mete out justice to criminals? These are fellow Kenyans who have taken the tough choice of policing the society. They are our brothers, our sisters, our parents. The only difference is that they are in uniform and licensed to carry firearms at all the times, for our sake. For the peace of the country. Not all police officers are bad. Not all of them would like to kill. But in this kind of a situation, the life of the police officer who does his work honestly is in danger. If a criminal you lawfully arrested, took to court, got convicted, and jailed for seven years can buy you a drink two weeks down the line, what can prevent him from killing you? And he is buying you beer in jest. If a police officer who does his work honestly is frustrated by the ineptness of the judiciary and the prisons departments, what do we expect of him faced with similar situation? I bet we must look at all the players and determine to what extent they are making the police officers engage in extrajudicial killings of criminals. I do not advocate for this, but faced with a similar situation, most police officers would rather they kill the thugs than the thugs to kill them. Lastly, to what extent have we been of support to the police officers when they are killed by criminals in the course of their duties? I have never heard Hassan Omar condemn the criminals for having killed a police officer. Are the police not human? Or do Human Right issues apply not to the police force? We must be objective and address the problem. Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557, Email; komarockswatch at yahoo.com http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com --- On Sun, 3/1/09, George Nyongesa wrote: From: George Nyongesa Subject: [NewVisionKenya] (unknown) To: grnyongesa at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:46 AM Dear Kenyans and friends of Kenya, There is renewed energy in the public debate on police masterminded careless killings since the UN Rapporteur on Human Rights, Prof Alston released his report on a 10 days mission to investigate cases of extra judicial killings in Kenya. In the debate proposers and opposers all seem to have valid arguments at least to the best of their knowledge. However, I want to suggest that before we take sides in the debate, let us form a working definition of the phrase extrajudicial killings. I tried to google this phrase for a proper definition, but there doesnt seem to be one. From what I have read though, my understanding of extrajudicial killing is any deliberate killing done outside regular judicial proceedings, or that is not authorised by the supreme law or a court order. For example, http://www.bungelam wananchi. org/index. php?option= com_seyret&Itemid=60&task=videodirectlin k&id=11 I hope now you understand why Police Commissioner, Major Hussein Ali should be taken to the Hague! George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE ________________________________ >From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods [http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif] Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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URL: From kamaujnjuguna at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 03:39:24 2009 From: kamaujnjuguna at yahoo.com (Kamau J Njuguna) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:39:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Is PLO Lumumba a Traitor to Freedom Fighters? In-Reply-To: <588050.73026.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <642895.6135.qm@web110010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Patrick has hit it on the top. Many people who want to malign a leader seldoms uses their names. This rabid dog who is attacking PLO is also hiding his name. Why cant he let us know who he is so that we can deal with him squarely. Go PLO go. Kenya is watching you. Kamau J Njuguna --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Patrick Mutai wrote: From: Patrick Mutai Subject: Re: Is PLO Lumumba a Traitor to Freedom Fighters? To: bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:09 AM Wanabidii...this guy forgot to show u this excerpt from where he got that info.....check it out: ?If you stand for truth some envious or out rightly evil people will accuse you of committing every crime since creation except the murder of Abel, the crucifixion of Christ and the Holocaust. But never say die because History will absolve you.? ? Even before PLO Lumumba announces his interest to contest for the Office of the President of Kenya, some people are already jittery and have started the kind of hate campaign that was mounted against President Barrack Obama through misinformation and fiction. The truth is since his very early days PLO Lumumba has demonstrated leadership qualities time and time again. As a student he revived the Nairobi University Law journal as its editor and to date remains the only student leader to be elected unopposed as chairman of the Students Union. He also remains as the only student leader who at a tender age of 22 refused to be drawn into violent pseudo revolutionary politics. ? Every sensible Kenyan must know that no student can ever influence government and to claim that a student can do so is both adolescent and preposterous. History will show that PLO Lumumba has remained consistent and that is why while all his contemporaries have disappeared from the radar, his ever green message informed by principle and the philosophy of non-violence, truth and justice remain relevant today as it was several years ago. The tragedy of those trying to malign PLO is that they even don?t get their facts right. PLO Lumumba was first employed by the law firm of Waruhiu and Muite and he was subsequently elected as a member of the council of the Law Society of Kenya where he served under Paul Muite as chairman with the likes of Martha Karua now Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs, G. B. M. Kariuki, Paul Wamae, Willy Mutunga and others. During that time, Paul Muite and PLO Lumumba among others were sued for challenging the Moi regime. It is during this tenure that PLO Lumumba again revived the Advocate Journal which had been in Comatose for over 10 years. It is noteworthy to note that as late as 2008 Paul Muite still had full faith of PLO Lumumba and hence hired him as his lawyer against the now defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya. It is also noteworthy to note that the Law Society of Kenya and the International Commission of Jurists (Kenya Chapter) have given certificates of commendation to PLO Lumumba for his exemplary work in the law profession. For those who care, in his home village and in many parts of the Republic, PLO through the PLO Lumumba Foundation has been involved in philanthropic activities financed by his own income and in 1996 he was recognized by the Kenya/US association for his leadership qualities. ? PLO Lumumba became the Secretary of the Constitution of Kenya Review Commission (CKRC) after the first Secretary had failed to discharge his duties. He underwent a rigorous recruitment process carried out by Parliament and the CKRC Commissioners where he emerged as the best qualified candidate out of a field of 144 applicants. His name was then forwarded to the President by the then Chairman of the PSC Raila Odinga for Presidential approval. Records clearly demonstrate that he served with distinction and the public admires him for the positions he took which led to threats on his life and the burning of his law office. The CKRC remains the only public institution ever to have utilized funds transparently and to have returned over ? a Billion KShs to the Treasury in Kenya ?s History. This is in the public domain and so is the money earned by the commissioners through out the entire life span of the Commission. It is noteworthy that PLO Lumumba has been recognized by the American Biographical Institute as a leading professional and the Marquis Who is who in the World. We who think that PLO Lumumba should be President are acutely aware that as Martin Luther King Jr. said, before the victory is won he would be called names and he would be maligned but the truth would stand out. What is curious is that those who have been sent to malign PLO Lumumba don?t seem to get the facts right. PLO graduated with a law degree from the University of Nairobi in 1985 and hence it?s impossible for him to have been spying for the government in 2002! PLO joined the staff of the University of Nairobi , Faculty of Law in 1998 and served with distinction until 2007. ? We know that this early attack on the character of PLO Lumumba is carefully being choreographed by certain leading politicians but this distortion will not deter us. Martin Luther King Jr. was attacked. Mahatma Gandhi was attacked Barrack Obama was attacked but the will of God cannot be stopped. It is noteworthy that owing to PLO?s principled stand he has been previously accused of being in KANU, NDP, LDP, FORD, ODM (K), ODM, and PNU. This is the hallmark of someone who defies narrow definitions. PLO has been a leader and excelled at all levels. He served as chairman of the Resident Association, as Chairman of his Rural Home Association and is currently serving as chairman of the Association of Citizens against Corruption. ? PLO continues to serve in various boards and organizations and is respected by his peers for his honesty, integrity and intellectual ability. So those who want to malign Lumumba be warned, for those of us who support him will expose the lies and half truths for what they are and the peddlers of lies will be ashamed. If Lumumba is being attacked and his character brought into question even before making a statement of his interest in the presidency, then this is a clear demonstration that the would be distracters are already shaken by the possibility. Patrick ? --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Robert Alai wrote: From: Robert Alai Subject: Is PLO Lumumba a Traitor to Freedom Fighters? To: "biddii afika" Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 2:22 PM Wanabidii PLO Lumumba is under attack from hist contemporaries in Facebook and its getting interesting as they say that PLO has no scholarly exxpertise apart from few phrases he picks here and there. Its also has claims of hom PLO dumped freedom fighters like Paul Muite to collaborate with Moi and kill freedom in Kenya. It seems that PLO is now coming out against this government because he has lost out a great deal on contracts with the government. EXCERPTS "And besides Wandera (R.I.P), we shouldn't forget the mysterious death of Daudi Adungosi, who carried the aspirations of all students at the contentious UoN election of the mid 80s that Lumumba supposedly won!!" "Every lawyer of repute is judged by his contribution to the doctrine of "Stare Decisis", commonly known as Case Law, but Lumumba has none. He fails to grasp it! A look at his resume which is displayed on-line, u see a fellow whose focus is about the "papers" and speeches he's given at seminars, breakfasts and luncheons, but no legal analysis. I welcome any student of PLO from UoN to challenge me on his scholarship. I would be surprised, if there are any competent young lawyers out there who went through his classes." "Good expose! Everything here is twin to truth and what's more encouraging is the way our young people are beginning to disabuse of what had blighted our morality for far too long. Personally, I'm a believer and turncoats like Lumumba cannot be allowed for another minute, like it has been, to pass unchallenged. What the analysis, fails to mention again, is PLO's posture; he's an embarassment to scholarship and to the Legal Family! In him, resides, the mother of all incompetence and his small body frame is home to the very udecisive soul you ever saw. Give it to him that he can plagiarise Shakespeare and all the legendary orators and claim a fictitious seat at that table of acclaim, but just show me, what single case Lumumba has won at the courts." "Doesn't it baffle that a celebrated lawyer of his shade, has to his practice, the worst humiliation from judges of both the lower and higher courts? Let alone his tail-wagging ways as a "student leader" at UoN, this individual is fictitious." "I am shocked beyond words. I used to look up to PLO as a mentor and now this? Are you guys sure of wat u'r saying or it is just plandering someone coz he looks like he has potential of being a leader. correct me if am wrong. dont persecute me I just want to know the truth." "Kevin I have heard it before and I have sat with guyz who were expelled then,it was bad,quite a chunk like me cleared their degrees with the narc amnesty..guyz from 1978 to 1982 mpaka early 2000.You must have seen some of them profiled in the papers/dailies?" "I couldnt have guessed it right......I have been very skeptical about this loud mouthed midget....He thinks he can hoodwink us....bambozal us.....we are not gonna let him play the ok dok okey on us....I know there are many other trailtors out there but we got news for them too...."Their time is up and history will judge them harshly........PLO must know that he's on the wrong side of history" thanks for creating this wonder group" Check http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=48604524673 PLO Lumumba has failed the test of true leadership over and over. Those who know PLO Lumumba since his student days know that PLO Lumumba will go down in history as the biggest sell-out to the struggle of the people of Kenya. When PLO through some accident of history became the chairman of the Student Organization of Nairobi University for 1984-85, he sold the students to Moi resulting in death (God rest the late Wandera's soul in eternal bliss), imprisonment, expulsions, beating, rape and torture of students with nerve gas (in what is famously known as Bhopal of 1985). PLO's agemates who can make any claim to leadership today spent their 20's and 30's either in prison, exile, underground or in the bush. They fought gallantly and removed one-party dictatorship in 1991. What was PLO doing all this time? Yes, you guessed it--supporting Moi dictatorial regime and acting as a spy against progressive students, lecturers at the university of nairobi between 1985 and 2002. When the progressive LSK which was fighting Moi decided to give Paul Muite the chairmanship, guess who Moi fronted to fight Muite? Yes, you guessed it right. Thankfully,the LSK is made of PLO 's contemporaries who know PLO in and out. And he was humiliated by Muite in the LSK vote just as he has been humiliated in all elections he has run in since the killing of Wandera in 1985. Let us say this today with all certainty we can muster. Patrick Lumumba Otienio-PLO will never be a councillor or an MP in Kenya, leave alone president (ha ha ha ha--let's laugh!!!!). His contemporaries will fight him tooth and nail and ensure that he never gets into any electoral office ever. This was the pact his age-mates who went to prison in the 80s vowed at kamiti maximum agreed on. PLO became secretary of the constitutional review commission in 2000--not because he was elected by anybody--but yes, you guessed it, because his master, dictator Daniel Arap Moi appointed him so that he can ensure kenya never gets a new constitution--and PLO made sure kenya would not a have a new constitution, while gobbling 46 million shillings for his salary while embezzling 196 millions shillings through various accounting tricks which are going to be exposed when the right time comes!!! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ YOU ARE IN BIDII AFRIKA GROUP TO UNSUBSCRIBE: bidiiafrika-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com To Advertise HERE, Send Ksh 1,000 to 0726 034 530 through Mpesa. No advert will be published without payment. Reach over 19,000 direct users and over 300,000 users indirectly. 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URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 00:56:12 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:56:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] In defense of the Police In-Reply-To: <330721.97910.qm@web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <445274.60700.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do not support the extra judicial killings by the police and the police must be held to account. But on the other side, let us be fair to the police. I will give this in the form of what happened to an Inspector of Police who is a friend. This is a real life situation. He had been assigned to track down one of the most dreaded criminals in Kenya. He indeed succeeded in arresting this chap, had him arraigned in court, presented a water tight case in court that made this chap get a sentence of seven years in jail. Two weeks down the line, as he was having drinks with friends, a round of beer was brought to their table. On asking who had bought for them the round, he was shown a chap who was seated in a corner with other friends. He froze in his seat. He thought he was seeing doubles. This was the dangerous criminal he had taken time to trail and apprehend. This is the chap who had only been jailed for seven years two weeks ago. He asked himself, how did the man get out of jail? These are some of the frustrations our police face in the course of their duties. They take their time to trail thugs, have them arrested, take them to court and get them convicted, only for them to be back on the street. In our imaginations, how do we help such gallant police officers who work against all odds to mete out justice to criminals? These are fellow Kenyans who have taken the tough choice of policing the society. They are our brothers, our sisters, our parents. The only difference is that they are in uniform and licensed to carry firearms at all the times, for our sake. For the peace of the country. Not all police officers are bad. Not all of them would like to kill. But in this kind of a situation, the life of the police officer who does his work honestly is in danger. If a criminal you lawfully arrested, took to court, got convicted, and jailed for seven years can buy you a drink two weeks down the line, what can prevent him from killing you? And he is buying you beer in jest. If a police officer who does his work honestly is frustrated by the ineptness of the judiciary and the prisons departments, what do we expect of him faced with similar situation? I bet we must look at all the players and determine to what extent they are making the police officers engage in extrajudicial killings of criminals. I do not advocate for this, but faced with a similar situation, most police officers would rather they kill the thugs than the thugs to kill them. Lastly, to what extent have we been of support to the police officers when they are killed by criminals in the course of their duties? I have never heard Hassan Omar condemn the criminals for having killed a police officer. Are the police not human? Or do Human Right issues apply not to the police force? We must be objective and address the problem. Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557, Email; komarockswatch at yahoo.com http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com --- On Sun, 3/1/09, George Nyongesa wrote: From: George Nyongesa Subject: [NewVisionKenya] (unknown) To: grnyongesa at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:46 AM Dear Kenyans and friends of Kenya, ? There is renewed energy in the public debate on police masterminded?careless killings since the?UN Rapporteur on Human Rights, Prof Alston released his report on a?10 days mission to investigate cases of extra judicial killings in Kenya. ? In the debate proposers and opposers all seem to have valid arguments at least to the best of their knowledge. However,?I want to suggest that before?we take sides in the debate, let us?form a working definition of the phrase extrajudicial killings.?I tried to google this?phrase for a proper?definition, but there?doesnt seem to be one. From what I have read though, my understanding of extrajudicial killing?is?any deliberate killing?done outside regular judicial proceedings, or that is not authorised by?the supreme law or a court order. For example, http://www.bungelam wananchi. org/index. php?option= com_seyret&Itemid=60&task=videodirectlin k&id=11? ? I hope now you understand why Police Commissioner, Major Hussein Ali should be taken to the Hague! ? George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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URL: From owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com Sun Mar 1 21:12:38 2009 From: owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com (owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:12:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Jambo] (no subject) Message-ID: <20090302021238.775AD176910@treet.ctinetworks.com> Dot's Information Service Hotline "Unbossed and unbought news and information you can use" Visit The DISH online at www.thedish.org Vol. 12 No 9...Dedicated to the Dialogue on Race... 03-01-09 ******************************************************** Table of Contents 1. Intuit's Vibe...Haiti the Rebel...By Michel Sanon 2. Comments from the Bat Cave 3. Bit of History...Jean-Jacques Dessalines (1758-1806) 4. Haiti: Let Them Eat Cake...By John Burl Smith 5. Hood Notes...Does America have the Courage of Bolivia?...By John Burl Smith 6. Politics Y2K9...Haiti: The Lost Promise of Freedom...By John Burl Smith 7. News You Use..Fanm Ayisyen Nan Miyami 8. Disgruntled 9. Mailbox ************************************************************ Intuit's Vibe Haiti the Rebel By Michel Sanon Who is to tell me when to celebrate my history? Who is to tell me when to dress my wounds And to reminisce my trials, my sorrow When to shed tears over my brave children And to glorify their names? They suffered and died every bloody month Of the bloody year. I was born of abject inhumanity with the noble destiny Of carrying the sword of precious humanity In a New World cursed by the West Storm And raped by the powers of greed, wickedness, and death. I am the mother of martyrs of survivors and overcomers. Alone, I faced the wrath of this world's powers In March of 1802. Their mighty venom could not cripple me. I stepped on the snake's head In May of 1803 and created forever the symbol of my pride. How many now really know my history? How many care? Alone, with my hurting hands I broke the first link Of the mighty chain of human curse called slavery. Alone on the traitorous hill of the New World I carried the cross of a race into this century of furious revolution And industrialization Refusing to get crucified. I''ve been chained; I've been robbed I've been raped and stabbed and I have fought back Fearlessly, continuously. Alone I have paid and paid. I have paid the senseless price I have paid the endless price for my vital exploits. Humanity at large enjoys the benefits Gratelessly, pompously. Every bloody month of every bloody year I have fought constantly with a burning spear Stuck in my chest. Sometimes it weakens me but I always rise High above the pain and the wickedness Of powerful forces from near and far To claim my dignity. I have friends who suck up my blood When tired I fall asleep. They set my house ablaze to scare my children away >From my wounded heart. Though today I choose to stand And stand in pride and love with my dear family To celebrate in harmony our common history In the month of February, I was alone when in Verti?res I rose to face the Devil when hell broke loose Unleashing its fire storm with waves of flame rushing To engulf me whole... Alone in the vast universe I froze hell over and walked on its ashes To create my own history. Nobody stood by my side. I alone remember. It was the eighteenth day of a month called November. Comments from the Bat Cave The Dark Knight-Batman/White Ninja/Zorro recently got a lecture on education, health and sundry other topics from his pediatrician following a routine examination. Just out of curiosity, the physician posed the question, "What is the source of fiber in your diet?" To his horrified grandfather's surprise, the Dark One/Ninja/Zorro replied, "Hamburger!" Bit of History Jean-Jacques Dessalines (1758-1806) Born into slavery in 1758, either in Guinea and transported to Saint-Domingue as popularly held by Haitian tradition or on a plantation in the Plaine du Nord in Cormiers (now known as Cormier), near the town of Grande-Rivi?re-du-Nord, Jean-Jacques Duclos, the name of his father, who adopted it from his proprietor Henry Duclos, spent thirty (30) years working in the sugar cane fields. During this time, he rose to the rank of commandeur or foreman. Duclos was purchased by a free black man named Dessalines, from whom he received the surname he retained in freedom. For about three years, Jean-Jacques Dessalines worked for his new master, who treated him well. Embittered towards whites and gens de couleur, Dessalines eagerly joined the slave uprising of 1791, which spread across the Plaine du Nord. Led by Jean Fran?ois Papillon and Georges Biassou, this rebellion was the first action of what would become the Haitian Revolution. Dessalines became a lieutenant in Papillon's army and followed him to Santo Domingo, where he enlisted in Spain's military forces against the French colony of Saint-Domingue. During this period, Dessalines met Toussaint Br?da (later known as Toussaint Louverture), who was fighting with Spanish forces on Hispaniola. United in their desire to defeat slavery, they switched allegiances from Spain to France after the French declared an end to slavery in 1794. They also fought for the French against the British. Dessalines became a chief lieutenant to Louverture, rising to the rank of brigadier general by 1799. Dessalines commanded many successful engagements, gaining a reputation for his "take no prisoners " policy, and for burning homes and entire villages to the ground. The rebellious former slaves restored most of Saint-Domingue to France, with Louverture in control and finally appointed by the French as Governor General of the colony. However, under Napoleon I, the government sought to reimpose slavery in Saint-Domingue. An expeditionary force led by General Charles Leclerc was dispatched to the island to restore French rule. Louverture and Dessalines fought against the invading French forces, with Dessalines defeating them at the battle for which he is most famous, Cr?te-?-Pierrot. After Toussaint's capture on June 7, 1802, Dessalines became leader of the Revolution. His forces achieved a series of victories against the French, culminating in the last major battle of the revolution, the Battle of Verti?res. On November 18, 1803, black and mulatto forces under Dessalines and Alexandre P?tion attacked the fort of Verti?re near Cap Fran?ois. The French surrendered the next day. On December 4, 1803, the French army of Napoleon Bonaparte surrendered its remaining territory to Dessalines' forces. On January 1, 1804, Dessalines officially declared the former colony's independence and renamed it "Haiti" after the indigenous Arawak name. After the declaration of independence, Dessalines named himself Governor-General-for-life and served in that role until September 22, 1804, when he proclaimed himself Emperor of Haiti. He was crowned Emperor Jacques I in a coronation ceremony on October 6. On May 20, 1805, his government released the Imperial Constitution, naming Jean-Jacques Dessalines emperor for life with the right to name his successor. Distrustful of white French people, Dessalines declared Haiti an all-black nation and forbade whites from owning property or land there. He tried to keep the sugar industry and plantations running and producing without slavery by enforcing a harsh regimen of plantation labor. He demanded that all blacks either served as soldiers to protect the nation or as laborers on the plantations to generate crops. The strict enforcement of this regimen made some blacks feel enslaved again. Reviled for his autocratic ways, disaffected members of Dessalines' administration were successful in a conspiracy to overthrow him. Dessalines was assassinated north of the capital city, Port-au-Prince, at Pont Larnage, (now known as Pont-Rouge) on October 17, 1806. A monument at the northern entrance of the Haitian capital marks the place where the Emperor was killed. The national anthem of Haiti, La Dessalinienne, is named in his honor, as is the city of Dessalines. Haiti: Let Them Eat Cake By John Burl Smith One of the few things all Haitians can agree on is their pride in Toussaint L'Ouverture, who led the slave rebellion in Haiti that established the world's first black republic. The transformation of slaves, trembling in hundreds before a single white man, into a people able to organize themselves and defeat the most powerful European nations of their day, is one of the great epics of revolutionary struggle and achievement.... C.L.R. James As civil war encroaches, civil society implodes and civil political discourse evaporates, the transformation of Haiti into a nation riven by political violence, ravaged by AIDS and devastated by poverty is a tragedy of epic proportions. Marie Antoinette, Queen of France (1789- 1792), referring to the poor starving French masses, uttered the words "Let they eat cake!" Her words, according to historians, were a catalyst for the Revolution that followed. Some 210 years later, another French ruler, Pres. Nicolas Sarkozy, see France's former colony of Haiti similarly, "Let them eat mud cakes!" In 1697 following the Treaty of Ryswick, Saint-Domingue was given to France, but after revolution (1793), a new nation, Haiti, was declared on January 1, 1804. The first country in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery, Haiti's independence denied wealthy French slave owners billions of francs for which Haiti suffers retribution today. The French government and the rest of the civilized world today sit idly by while millions of Haitian children starve. Frenchmen watch as Haitians whose poverty has reduced them to eating mud made into patties with oil and sugar. Hunger resulting from surging food prices, an 80 percent poverty rate and 3/4 of its citizens surviving on less than $2 a day, the sweeten mud patties are not French pastry but are a staple for many. "It's salty sweet and buttery, so it does not taste like you're eating dirt. It makes the stomach quiet down." Ravaging storms last August and September (2008) have exacerbated the deteriorating conditions and the resulting food crisis has yield malnourishment for an estimated one-fourth of Haiti's chronically hungry children, whose mortality increases daily. The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) of the United States (US) pressed former Pres. George W. Bush to take immediate action in 2008 to aid Haiti as it does other nations during economic crises and natural disasters. Also the US House unanimously adopted an amendment asking Pres. Bush to seek cancellation of Haiti's international debt, but the Bush administration continued its double standard on immigration and international debt relief. US Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., CBC member, authored the Haitian Protection Act, which would make Haitian nationals in the United States eligible for temporary protective status so they would not be deported. Moreover, he voiced the CBC's plea, "How desperate must the humanitarian crisis in Haiti become before the United States is willing to offer this deserving nation the compassion and generosity that it has bestowed upon other countries?" Hastings also wrote a letter to Pres. Bush on behalf of the CBC. "Haitians, both in Haiti and in our own country, have long suffered through natural destruction, persistent poverty, repressive regimes and the inequitable policies of the United States. It is now our moral obligation to help Haitians sustain and rebuild their country by alleviating their nation's debt, as well as grant Haitian immigrants already residing in the United States temporary protective status." Another CBC member, Rep. Kendrick B. Meek, D-Fla., the first member of Congress to travel to Haiti following riots over skyrocketing food prices is pushing for a bill to open up U.S. markets to Haitian textile products -- a move that could boost employment. Furthermore, Rep. Eliot L. Engel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House of Representatives Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, sent a letter signed by 22 other members of Congress to Bush urging him to provide emergency food aid for Haiti but got no response. The director of Haiti's national migration office, Jeanne Bernard Pierre, said since the food crisis (4/2008), her agency has received more repatriated Haitian boat people in a week than it used to receive in a month or more. "We received 212 repatriates last week, 227 this week and we are expecting 114 tomorrow." Interceptions have more than double according to the US Coast Guard, "Last week we intercepted and turned back 247 Haitians who were risking their lives to flee the country by boat. We have intercepted 972 Haitian migrants at sea since October 1, 2008 compared with 376 during the same period last year." Bob Marley became a national hero of Jamaica by trying to unite his people. Why are the Haiti's rock stars partying with Sarkozy while their people eat mud cakes? (Sources: http://blog.syracuse.com, www.commondreams.org, http://cpj.org, and www.haitiaction.net) Hood Notes Does America have the Courage of Bolivia? by John Burl Smith Evo Morales Ayma, President of Bolivia named Pablo C?sar Groux Canedo Ministry of Cultures on February 10, 2009. The newly created Ministry will have two Vice-ministries. One dedicated to Decolonisation, which will "decolonize public institutions with a head-on confrontation against racism," and Interculturalism, which will be "a tool of unity, harmony and integration among Bolivians' cultures, artistic expressions and cultural heritage. The aim of both is to "help heal the wounds left by the difficult process we are currently facing." The process began in December 2005 and was socialized at the Cultural Symposiums carried out in 2008 that resulted in the Regional Culture Councils. He added also that they will "work hard to identify the country's native nations and peoples. There is an ongoing research project that aims to classify 36 native nations as well as their cultural heritage, in order to make it an element of development and wealth generation." Accepting his position at the Presidential Palace, C?sar Groux explained "This new Ministry is established 33 years after the creation of Bolivia's Culture Institute (1975), which later became the National Secretariat for Culture. It later evolved into the Vice-ministry of Culture and subsequently, in 2006, into the Vice-ministry of Cultures Development. Finally, today 2009, through President Morales' mandate, it is promoted to the rank of Ministry. Minister C?sar Groux concluded by saying, "The State should be an active protagonist in the development of a new conception of cultural heritage and understood as a component of development and integration in Bolivia." A former colonial possession and slave nation with the same cultural and heritage problem that Bolivia experienced, even though it is a for more affluent country, the United States of America would do well to follow Bolivia's example as it attempts to reinvent itself. Overcoming its racist past will require an extended process led by government institutions as we evolve into a nation of one people with many cultural heritages. Politics Y2K9 Haiti: The Lost Promise of Freedom By John Burl Smith During its occupation from 1915-1934, the United States of American built the Haitian National Guard, an army of killers trained at the infamous U.S. military "School of the Americas." Haiti suffered under this brutal occupation for 19 years, then the US' trained gendarmerie propped up Haitian dictators "Papa Doc" Duvalier and "Baby Doc, his son" who killed an estimated 50,000 Haitians during their reign of terror. Haiti was in desperate straits when Jean-Bertrand Aristide, a parish priest, preaching liberation theology in the 1980s, began a democracy campaign against the ruthless Duvalier dictatorship. A ray of hope for the most impoverished Western Hemisphere nation, Aristide evoked thoughts of revolutionary hero Toussaint L'Ouverture. Vowing to reverse the staggering poverty which resulted in a life expectancy of 52 years for adults, while one in ten children died by age 5 and most others lived on the verge of starvation, Aristide campaigned against Haiti's collapsing health system. Moreover, Haiti was gripped by an AIDS epidemic that raged unchecked as the worst in the Caribbean. Fearing unrest, tourists and foreign investors stayed away, fueling skyrocketing unemployment. Riding a wave of popular support, Aristide came to power in 1990-91. Initially, he irked the Western powers by resisting the economic diktats of Paris, Washington, Wall Street, the IMF and World Bank. He further irritated the US by establishing diplomatic relations with Cuba. Through that alliance, Haiti received 500 badly needed doctors and nurses from Cuba for its provinces, where most Haitians resided. Cuban doctors and nurses outnumbered Haitian medical personnel in those areas. These crucial medical teams infuriated the US, which demanded they be thrown out of the country, while not promising to replace them. The CIA tapped Lieutenant-General Raoul C?dras (a graduate of the "School of the Americas") to lead a coup that ousted Aristide in 1991. Accused of being a communist, Aristide was portrayed as mentally unstable and immoral. However, the coup led to a huge exodus of Haitians. Some 70,000 desperate Haitians fled the island in rickety boats, while several thousands were killed in the streets by the C?dras Junta. Pres. George H. W. Bush viewed Haitians as economic migrants rather than political refugees and ordered the U.S. Coast Guard to arrest flotilla refugees and imprison them at the U.S. military base in Guant?namo, Cuba or in centers in the U.S., then deport them back to Haiti. No huddled, desperate black masses yearning to be free were permitted to come ashore in Bush's America. President Bill Clinton launched Operation Uphold Democracy in September 1994 and U.S. forces occupied Haiti once more. The Clinton Administration admitted later that Haitian generals that plotted the overthrow of Aristide were on the CIA's payroll. Fearing Aristide might be the next Fidel Castro, US conservatives pushed the CIA to topple the only democratically elected President of Haiti. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide was whisked out of Haiti to the Central African Republic under U.S. military escort. Although Pres. Clinton sent former JCS Chairman Colin Powell, Georgia Senator Sam Nunn and former President Jimmy Carter to negotiate C?dras' exit and Aristide's return, the cost to Haiti was devastating. US officials demanded that the Haitian army be retrained and left intact. Insisting U.S. Marines invaded to restore "law and order, a multinational "peacekeeping" force, spearheaded by France, under the aegis of the United Nations became the new occupiers over the desperately poor Haitian masses. All of Haiti's economic problems can be laid at the doorstep of the US and France. During the first 58 years of independence, the US refused to recognize Haiti's existence. Using claims of internal strife in 1915, the US invaded Haiti and occupied it until 1934. Synchronously, France, backed by the US, demanded Haiti pay former plantation and slave owners 150m francs in gold as reparations and the revolutionary war (1791-1804) debt in return for international recognition. In today's dollars that would amount to more than $800 billion. Today Haiti is paying 80% of its national budget in interest and loans on that debt. After 200 years, Haitians can look back on 13 coups and 19 years of US occupation. Looking forward, the prospect of more bloodshed and instability make planting a stable political culture in Haiti's barren soil of economic impoverishment, military siege and international isolation a doubtful proposition. Western powers, particularly France and the United States, bear full responsibility for how Haiti arrived at such a parlous place. The reality is, in return for personal and political freedom for Haiti, Aristide was compelled to return Haiti to economic enslavement at the hands of the IMF and the World Bank. Post-colonial military aggression rigged world markets through brutal globalization demands. Rice is a case in point. Forced by the IMF and World Bank to lower import tariffs, Haiti found itself flooded with subsidized US rice, which drove Haitian rice growers out of business and forced the country to import a product that it once produced. When Haiti fined US rice merchants $1.4m for evading customs duties, the US retaliated by withholding $30m in aid. Aristide was returned to power by a U.S. invasion in 1994, only to be removed from power by the U.S. in 2004. Aristide, as well as the butchers who preceded and succeeded him, were puppets of Wall Street, Washington, Paris, the IMF and World Bank. George W. Bush resumed attacks on Aristide as soon as he took office. Citing election fraud in Haiti in 2000 (remember the Florida "chads" and Bush's election fraud 2000), they drastically slashed foreign aid to Haiti and blocked previously approved loans from the Inter-American Development Bank for improvements in education, roads, health care and water purification. In short, the Bush administration plunged what was already the poorest country in the Western hemisphere and one of the most malnourished populations in the world into today's living hell. Haiti has incurred the wrath of the colonial powers for 200 years. The Haitian people have paid in blood for their successful slave revolt and the defeat of Napoleon's army. In Napoleon Bonaparte's own words: "The freedom of the Negroes, if recognized in St. Domingue [as Haiti was then known] and legalized by France, would at all times be a rallying point for freedom-seekers of the New World." The French imperialists, who first enslaved the Haitian people, then gave asylum to the hated Duvaliers and demanded the ouster of Aristide, posture as "saviors" of Haiti, while saying "Let they eat mud cakes." (Sources: www.icl-fi.org, www.guardian.co.uk, http://everything2.com, and www.shss.montclair.edu) News You Use Fanm Ayisyen Nan Miyami Marleine Bastien is founder of Haitian Women of Miami (known colloquially as FANM, which stands for the Haitian Creole translation of Fanm Ayisyen Nan Miyami). Early last year, the Miami activist and a group of clergy toured the island nation and surveyed the wreckage of years of poverty and neglect. More determined than ever to change US policy toward Haiti, Bastien and other organizations are calling on the US government to grant the island nation much-needed debt relief, Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for those who have fled Haiti and reside primarily in Miami-Dade County, Florida, and an overall change in the US government's attitude toward Haitians. According to FAMN's full-time lawyer, Steven Forester, who has practiced immigration law for thirty years, an estimated 20,000 Haitians already in the U.S. and who lack resident status, should be allowed to remain until the dangers back home created by natural disasters, political instability, food shortages and violence subside. "The U.S., Canada, France and Britain all say it's not safe to travel to Haiti. So why is it safe to deport people to Haiti?" The Florida congressional delegation ? Republicans and Democrats -- supports TPS, which has been conferred and renewed multiple times for people from countries such as Honduras and Nicaragua, Burundi, El Salvador, Somalia, Sudan and Liberia. Forester, who is white, believes, "Our policy vis-?-vis Haitians is discriminatory. It's based on racism. And until the policy changes, FAMN will continue to "raise hell!" To learn how you can join the hell raisers at Fanm Ayisyen Nan Miyami (FANM) or Haitian Women of Miami, Inc. call 305-756-8050 or email info at fanm.org. To learn more about the organization, log on to http://fanm.org. Disgruntled wants to know: In June 2008, when the price of a barrel of oil rose to $140, there were speculative news articles about oil in Haiti. Some surmised this was the reason for the huge US embassy in the Western Hemisphere's most impoverished nation. In addition, at least four oil companies were vying for the right to drill for oil on Haitian soil. Now that oil has tumbled to a more reasonable price per barrel coupled with a global decline in demand, one wonders is there oil in Haiti, and if so, will native Haitians realize any benefit from its black gold reserves? Disgruntled says: With a population of about 12,000, Los Alamitos is a small town located in Orange County, California. The town's newly elected mayor recently came under a firestorm of criticism for sending an email to a small group of friends with a picture that depicted the White House lawn as a watermelon patch. The caption of the picture read "No Easter egg hunt this year." A black local businesswoman and city volunteer, Keyanus Price did not think the depiction was funny. In fact, she felt it was downright racist and demanded an apology from the mayor. Grose admitted the email was in poor taste; he also decided to step down as mayor because the incident had affected his ability to lead the city. Grose claims he did not mean to offend anyone and was unaware of the racial stereotype linking blacks and eating watermelons. Under the circumstances, if what Grose claims is true, he did the right thing in removing himself from office. In this day and age, anyone over thirty who is unaware of the racial stereotypes used about blacks is ill-prepared to lead a diverse community. Disgruntled feels: Capsized! An award winning playwright, performance poet, political and social commentator, author and human rights attorney, Marguerite Laurent is a Haitian woman inspired, guided, and directed by the strength, legacy and visions of the Haitian warrior goddess, Ezili Dant?, the black Madonna. In 1997-98, Laurent created the performance piece "Capsized" in an effort to awaken Americans out of their apathy about what drives Haitians to embark on the perilous sea journey as "boat people." When the suffering and apathy towards the situation in Haiti continued unabated, she began performing "Capsized" again ten years later in May 2007. For more about "Capsized" this amazing artists and her work, log on to www.margueritelaurent.com. Mailbox: E-Mails, Faxes and Telephone Calls Email seanderson at mail.com NOTE: Another reminder of the imperial and white supremacist nature of the US government- in spite of a Blackface in the highest place. And note how the Times calls a conference AGAINST racism a "racism" conference....US to Boycott UN Racism Conference ...By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS...WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration said Friday that the United States will boycott an upcoming U.N. conference on racism unless its final document is changed to drop all references to Israel and the defamation of religion. At the same time, it said the U.S. would participate as an observer in meetings of the U.N. Human Rights Council, a body that was shunned by the Bush administration for anti-Israel statements and failing to act on abuses in Sudan and other states. The racism conference is a follow-up to the contentious 2001 meeting in the South African city of Durban that was dominated by clashes over the Middle East and the legacy of slavery. The U.S. and Isr ael walked out midway through that meeting over a draft resolution that singled out Israel for criticism and likened Zionism -- the movement to establish and maintain a Jewish state -- to racism. Israel and Canada had already announced they would boycott the next World Conference Against Racism in Geneva from April 20-25, known as Durban II, but the Obama administration decided it wanted to assess the negotiations before making a decision on U.S. participation. Email theradioactivist at prodigy.net...Building a Constituency for Haiti in the U.S....By Dr. Ron Daniels...Black History Month should never pass without people of African descent remembering the amazing Haitian Revolution which produced the first Black Republic in the world. While historians herald the contributions to humanity of the American and French Revolutions, I believe the Haitian Revolution was at least as significant in terms of advancing the concepts of human rights and equality. We must never forget that this improbable Revolution was consummated at a time when the holocaust of enslavement was wreaking havoc on Africa. Though the trans-Atlantic slave trade was initiated as an economic enterprise, it would not be long before the horrors of this genocidal undertaking would be rationalized by theories of "race" that designated Africans inferior beings. Pseudo-scientific theories gave birth to the myth of white supremacy. ...Despite the righteous platitudes of the Ame rican and French Revolutions, the idea of an independent Black Republic created through force of arms did not sit well with the powers that be in the Capitols of Europe and America. There was virtually universal agreement among the European/White leaders of the time, including President Thomas Jefferson, that the example of Haiti was a threat to their national interests ? profiting from the slave trade and/or colonialism in Africa, the Caribbean, Central and South America. Therefore, it was imperative that Haiti be isolated, marginalized and rendered weak as a "Black nation." Email www.IHT.com ...U.S. criticized over funds for Haiti...By Marc Lacey...An array of rights groups strongly criticized the U.S. government for withholding money meant to provide clean drinking water to Haiti, charging that the action is meant to be leverage for political change in the country. In a report made public in June, activists called the delay of $54 million in international loans to the Haitian government "one of the most egregious examples of malfeasance by the United States in recent years." The loans from the Inter-American Development Bank were intended to revamp the water and sanitation systems in Les Cayes and Port-de-Paix. In Haiti, close to 70 percent of the population lacks regular and direct access to potable water, experts said. The lack of clean water contributes to intestinal parasites and amoebic dysentery. The development bank, over which the U.S. Treasury Department holds significant influence, approved the loans in 1998. **************************************************** For comments, questions or to unsubscribe, email thedish at ga.net. ***************************************************** From francis.mwangi.chege at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 04:46:21 2009 From: francis.mwangi.chege at gmail.com (francis mwangi chege) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Fwd: FW: Vacancy Announcement In-Reply-To: <102D759898308F4987EEA845740FF693ABB058@resexc03.resolution.lan> References: <102D759898308F4987EEA845740FF693ABB058@resexc03.resolution.lan> Message-ID: <289797740903020146g4ea25914rc6f6de7302d9a72e@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Florence Ndungu Date: Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:02 PM Subject: FW: Vacancy Announcement To: *Circulate widely.*** ------------------------------ Dear All, We are looking to fill the above position. Kindly circulate to your friends. All applications should adhere to the closing date. ****************************** Kind regards *HR** & Admin Office* -- Regards Francis Mwangi Chege Java Software Developer Safari SoftSolutions Ltd. +254 - 721 663 208 http://francismwangi.blogspot.com/ https://twitter.com/francismwangi "In software, ideas are expressed in code. The implementation is the idea. If an idea has not been implemented, it is premature to call it an 'idea' -- it is rather a notion, a daydream or perhaps a fancy. If one has such a thought, the first order of business is not to send out proposals or give speeches or navigate through process but rather to sit down and write some code: build a prototype, share it with some like-minded people, incorporate their feedback, expand the community and iterate. If one does this and one's ideas are sound, the process naturally follows; people naturally gravitate to good ideas." 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They were however, seen by a G4S patrol car who together with a KK patrol car (none of whom are assigned to the victim plot or ours) followed the gang. The gang members were jumping into the neighbourhood houses, causing chaos, shooting in the air. I personally stopped watching the Man U penalty shoot out to ensure that my gals were out of the way of possible gun-fire. > These brave men, accompanied by the embedded policeman, managed to apprehend 7 (presumably one escaped), saving one from angry residents bent on a 'extra-judicial' killing. > > We have seen an increase of these murderous gangs, be they Mungiki or "haki yetu" types and if left unchecked, we will all live in fear of mafia type gangs who will then openly demand protection fee from all of us. It is a scary prospect. NO amount of hunger, joblessness, despair or alleged anger about elections can justify killing, stealing, looting, raping or depriving citizens of their peace and tranquillity. If any of those guys had got into my house, there was going to be no debate about his life. Let's not be naive. > > I therefore agree with the order to eliminate murderous gangs, while appreciating that this could be misused by a few rotten policemen. > We must never live in fear, just to satisfy the UN guy, we must never live in fear in our own homes. > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 05:54:30 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] =?utf-8?q?RAILA_ODINGA=E2=80=99S_TRIP_TO_UGANDA_S_PUT_OFF?= =?utf-8?q?_AS_CONFUSION_OVER_THE_DISPUTED_MIGINGO_ISLAND_DEEPENED?= Message-ID: <800855.77611.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RAILA ODINGA?S TRIP TO UGANDA S PUT OFF AS CONFUSION OVER THE DISPUTED MIGINGO ISLAND DEEPENED Reports By Leo Odera Omolo In the wake of the on going diplomatic stand-off between Nairobi and Kampala over the small fishing Island in Lake Victoria taking a new twist, the government of president Yoweri Museveni has abruptly called off the much highlighted visit to Uganda by Kenya?s Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga. The two governments have been in conflict over the Island since last year but the stand off has taken another dimension within the last two weeks after Uganda deployed more security forces on the disputed island after Kenyan administration policemen had tried in vain to regain its control. It was reported that in Ugandan press that Mr. Odinga had been rescheduled for March 13 ? 15 in order to first resolve the Migingo issue. The Kenya Premier was due in Kampala last Friday at the invitation of his Ugandan counterpart Professor Apollo Nsibambi. Observers and political pundits both in Kenya and Uganda alike says, that even with the visit postponed a section of Ugandan government officials believes that the ?quiet diplomacy to placate? the tensions might not succeed. The postponement of Mr. Odinga?s visit were announced at the weekend by the Permanent Secretary in the Ugandan Ministry of Foreign Affairs James Mugime. At the same time the Uganda Minister of state for Fisheries Fred Mukisa was quoted by the EASTAFRICAN weekly as saying that Nairobi bravado in the matter underline its real interest in the Migingo Island to take control of the fisheries resource and revenue around the area. Local fishermen told this writer during a brief visit to the disputed Island over the weekend that Ugandan Revenue Authority(URA) is minting very colossal amount cash money in excess of between Kshs.350,000 and Kshs 300,000 daily in taxation and other revenue paid to its coffers mainly by Kenyan Fishermen and fish traders. The fishermen also spoke of extortion and extra judicial punishment which include torture, beatings rape and arbitrary arrests extortion and forced bribery. The paper quoted Mukisa as saying this is not about land or security. It is typically fisheries and revenue matters, which are stake because Kenyans want to gain easy access to Uganda?s water resources. The Minister also scoffed at Mr. Odinga?s recent comments on Migingo as absurd following the Kenyan Prime Minister presentation in parliament a week ago on the situation on the ground. The genesis of the conflict dates back to the year 2006 when Minister Mukisa directed that the local council administration structures be put up in Migingo Island. The Minister also established a Beach Management Unit(BMU) on the Island. Some Kenyans were also incorporated in the daily running and management of the BMU?s deviation from the country legal requirements. Previously a no man?s land of sorts, Migingo Island was occupied by maritime section of the Uganda?s Internal Security Organization(ISO). This unit is equivalent to Kenya?s National Security Intelligence Services{NSIS} or the defunct special branch of Kenya police for about three years but had no administration structures in place. According to Kenya Fishermen, ISOS maritime outfit issued licenses gazette those who fished there an collected taxes. The proceeds from all xxx apparently were into the packets of maritime supreme?s on the Island and a few other individuals. But into the establishment of the local council, this meant but proper taxes were levied and collected by the new structures a development that did go down well with Kenyan fishermen and a few Ugandans. The regional understanding under the Lake Victoria fisheries Organizations is that foreigners showed pay more taxes that what the local pays in the respect Kenyan fisheries and not Ugandan citizen one treated as foreigners and not Ugandan citizen. Whenever Ugandan?s fishing boat is licensed for Unu30,000(USD 15.2) Kenyan fisheries with USD 60. This sent Kenyan fishermen up in arms, calling their government to protect them. From foreign Investors and exploiters as they considers Migingo as part of Kenya. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com AUSTRALIA?S RIO TINTO MINING FIRM TO EXPLORE FOR COAL IN SOUTHERN TANZANIA Business report by Leo odera omolo Australian mining firm Rio Tinto mining and exploration ltd has entered into an agreement with uranium resources PIC to explore for coal in southern Tanzania. The company will earn 51 percent interact by sole funding the USD 7 million in exploration within four years of signing the form ?in-agreement and a right to earn a pre-feasibility study at Mtonya and Ruhuhu mines located in Ruvuma region. The managing of uranium resource Dr Alex Gosteriskikh said that by signing the agreement with Rio Tinto to explore the coal potential of the firms license areas further undermine the values of the company?s exploration assets . Gosteriskikh said that signing uranium resources has not only established a relationship with a major partner but will also exposure to the upside potential of any economic coal deposits discovered in the region while not committing to the associated high capital expenditure ?Importantly the deal compliments the uranium exploration being conducted by western metals, which continues to yield high grade f uranium intercepts and consolidate our commitment to the energy resource sector, which we believe still maintaining strong fundamental s for the future,? he said. The option agreement which see Rio Tinto acquire the right to exclusively explore for coal in the Mtonya and Ruhuhu farm-in, which make up 2,938 square kilometers of Uranium Resource exploration license areas. According to the terms of the agreement, Rio Tionto will have sole rights to explore the uranium resource for coal for 12months from this month (February 2009). Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From james at irenkenya.org Mon Mar 2 05:44:43 2009 From: james at irenkenya.org (James Shikwati) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:44:43 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Great IREN Debate on Media (Register Now) Message-ID: When the Iranian President landed in Nairobi for an official state visit to Kenya; media cameras captured a scuffle between Kenyan security officials and a journalist. The historical aspect of IRANIAN president landing in Kenya less than 48 hours after Turkey president had left, and less than 4 days after Chinese president had been to East Africa got swamped up by the media's framing of the event. It is a framing thing isn't it? What is captured by the camera lenses prevents YOU AND ME from accessing the actual news... (Debate!) What about constraints facing media houses such as government control; advertisement revenue pegged on selective reporting and insecurity for individual journalists? What about the popular refrain "I was misquoted...!" Debate: Whose Interest Does the Press Serve in Africa? Panelists Karen Rothmyer Chaacha Mwita Ernesto Yeboah George Lugalambi Onyango Oketch Panel Co-Chair Kwamchetsi Makokha James Shikwati Venue: Pan Afric Hotel Time: 4.00 - 6.30pm (coffee to be served thereafter) Date: March 13, 2009 Entry Fees: Ksh 3,500 only ($50) To reserve seat call: Anne Mugoya +254202731497 email events at irenkenya.com Join us on the 13th March 2009 for the IREN Great Debate! For Panelists' profile and Background information see http://www.irenkenya.com/modules/events/index.php?event_title_id=41 Cheers and see you very soon... James Shikwati Director IREN CEO The African Executive Nyaku House, Mezzanine Floor Argwings Kodhek Road, Hurlingham P.O.Box 135 00100 Nairobi Kenya Tel: 020 273 1497 Fax: 020 272 3258 Websites: www.irenkenya.com www.africanexecutive.com You are a click away to changing Africa! 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The firm?sCEO Jibril Odogba says their east African operation will kick off this month and that the main office will be in Nairobi ,adding that the rising number of tourist in East Africa and Obama factor have led many international investors to take a fresh interest in the region?s business. ?After last year?s collapse of financial institutions in Europe and America, east Africans have no option but to shield their markets .global economies are taking a keen interest in then east African market which they perceive to be full of opportunities,? said Mr. Odogba. In the neighboring Tanzania ,the country took a giant step ahead of its fellow east African community members states when it announced last week ,the copping of cheques in order to stern fraudulent activities. According to the acting director of finance of the Tanzania revenue authority (TRA) Happiness Nkya, payments exceeding Tshs 10 million (Usd 61,000) would have to be made electronically. In the IT case in Kenya Mr Odogba said his company focus will be the regions banking which has on occasion been marred by money laundering scandals. The regions strategic location has attracted drug traffickers from South Africa and Europe. A 2006 report by the institute of security studies shows that a significant number of money launderers abuse financial institutions in east and southern Africa through unauthorized use of depositor?s funds in speculative dealings. Banks in east Africa are vulnerable to illegal transactions due to their appetite for grounds, the report says, ?The prospects of handling large amounts of money generated by laundering are often too tempting .banks have to create procedures to identify dirty money.? The project?s engineering chief technology Kunle Adetoro, says hackers are coming up with sophisticated ways of attacking banking processors before stealing billions of shillings from them. Banks industry in Eastern Africa region are very vulnerable. Wit the escalating cases of hacking the security should be strengthened Mr. Adetoro said. We area talking with the Central Bank of Kenya to seek ways to help in validation of security systems and developing a regulatory framework to protect customers money he added. Last year in what has been described as the biggest as the biggest single breach of consumer are financial data security ever, UK payment processor, Heatland Payment systems had its systems used to process Visa Master Cords, American Express and Discovery cords transaction. The magnitude of the loss is yet to be established Robert Baldwin,Hertlands president and chief financial officer, said in January that the transaction data crossing their platform is in the region of 100 million transaction a month. Adetoro says new technology are emerging that will compel risk management department in the banking sector to be proactive. He adds that this year will be a tough time for banks because of the rising demand for mobile and online banking. This is a sector the banking Industry should be vigilant about due to the vulnerability of mobile phones to hacking. Short text is enough to hack a phone as Adetoro said. Concerns about the safety of transactions during mobile money transfer have been rite for a while now. Some users even treat the service as a bank deposit account although it operates outside the existing banking regulations. Banks have banned the Central Bank of Kenya and the communications commissions commission of Kneya for reluctance to regulate the sector.. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From hillary at salafrica.com Mon Mar 2 06:30:24 2009 From: hillary at salafrica.com (Hillary Mkabana) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:30:24 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Real Facts Message-ID: <8492F2242D21A2419B9C0AA8DA9B8E7B0E46FC@mailserver.salafrica.com> RELATIONSHIPS: First of all, a man does not call it a relationship - he refers to it as "that time when me and Suzie were doing it on a semi-regular basis." When a relationship ends, a woman will cry and pour her heart out to her girlfriends, and she will write a poem titled "All Men Are Idiots." Then she will get on with her life. A man has a little more trouble letting go. Six months after the break-up, at 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday night, he will call and say, "I just wanted to let you know you ruined my life, and I'll never forgive you, and I hate you, and you're a total floozy. But I want you to know that there's always a chance for us." This is known as the "I Hate You / I Love You" drunken phone call, and 99% of all men have made it at least once. There are community colleges that offer courses to help men get over this need; alas, these classes rarely prove effective. MATURITY: Women mature much faster than men. Most 17-year old females can function as adults. Most 17-year old males are still trading baseball cards and giving each other wedgies after gym class. This is why high school romances rarely work out. HANDWRITING: To their credit, men do not decorate their penmanship. They just chicken-scratch. Women use scented, colored stationery and they dot their "i's" with circles and hearts. Women use ridiculously large loops in their "p's" and "g's". It is a royal pain to read a note from a woman. Even when she's dumping you, she'll put a smiley face at the end of the note. BATHROOMS: A man has six items in his bathroom-a toothbrush, shaving cream, razor, a bar of Dial soap, and a towel from the Holiday Inn. The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 437. A man would not be able to identify most of these items. GROCERIES: A woman makes a list of things she needs and then goes out to the store and buys these things. A man waits till the only items left in his fridge are half a lime and a beer. Then he goes grocery shopping. He buys everything that looks good. By the time a man reaches the checkout counter, his cart is packed tighter than the Clampett's car on Beverly Hillbillies. Of course, this will not stop him from going to the 10-items-or-less lane. SHOES: When preparing for work, a woman will put on a Mondi wool suit, then slip on Reebok sneakers. She wil carry her dress shoes in a plastic bag from Saks. When a woman gets to work, she will put on her dress shoes. Five minutes later, she will kick them off because her feet are under the desk. A man will wear the same pair of shoes All day OFFSPRING: Ah, children. A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist appointments and soccer games and romances and best friends and favorite foods and secret fears and hopes and dreams. A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house. MIRRORS: Men are vain; they will check themselves out in a mirror. Women are ridiculous; they will check out their reflections in any shiny surface: mirrors, spoons, store windows, bald men's heads. all day. MENOPAUSE: When a woman reaches menopause, she goes through a variety of complicated emotional, psychological, and biological changes. The nature and degree of these changes varies with the individual. Menopause in a man provokes a uniform reaction-he buys aviator glasses, a snazzy French cap and leather driving gloves, and goes shopping for a Porsche. THE TELEPHONE: Men see the telephone as a communication tool. They use the telephone to send short messages to other people. A woman can visit her girlfriend for two weeks, and upon returning home, she will call the same friend and they will talk for three hours. DIRECTIONS: If a woman is out driving, and she finds herself in unfamiliar surroundings, she will stop at a gas station and ask for directions. Men consider this to be a sign of weakness. Men will never stop and ask for directions. Men will drive in a circle for hours, all the while saying things like, "Looks like I've found a new way to get there" and, "I know I'm in the general neighborhood. I recognize that 7-11 store." PLANTS: A woman asks a man to water her plants while she is on vacation. The man waters the plants. The woman comes home five or six days later to an apartment full of dead plants. No one knows why this happens. GARAGES: Women use garages to park their cars and store their lawnmowers. Men use garages for many things. They hang license plates in garages, they watch TV in garages, and they build useless lopsided benches in garages From hillary at salafrica.com Mon Mar 2 06:30:23 2009 From: hillary at salafrica.com (Hillary Mkabana) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:30:23 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] The Five Secrets to a Great relationship Message-ID: <8492F2242D21A2419B9C0AA8DA9B8E7B0E46FA@mailserver.salafrica.com> 1. It is important to find a man who works around the house, occasionally cooks and cleans and who has a job. 2. It is important to find a man who makes you laugh. 3. It is important to find a man who is dependable, respectful and doesn't lie. 4. It is important to find a man who's good in bed and who loves to have sex with you. 5. It is important that these four men never meet. From hillary at salafrica.com Mon Mar 2 06:30:22 2009 From: hillary at salafrica.com (Hillary Mkabana) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:30:22 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Creative ads Message-ID: <8492F2242D21A2419B9C0AA8DA9B8E7B0E46F9@mailserver.salafrica.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: creative_ads_01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35024 bytes Desc: creative_ads_01.jpg URL: From hillary at salafrica.com Mon Mar 2 09:29:06 2009 From: hillary at salafrica.com (Hillary Mkabana) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:29:06 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] born with bullets Message-ID: <8492F2242D21A2419B9C0AA8DA9B8E7B0E46FD@mailserver.salafrica.com> Hi Folks, A pregnant woman walks into a bank, and lines up at the first available teller. Just at that moment the bank gets robbed and she is shot three times in the stomach. She was rushed to the hospital where she was fixed up. As she leaves she asks the doctor about her baby. The doctor says, "Oh! You're going to have triplets. They're fine but each one has a bullet lodged in its stomach. Don't worry though the bullets will pass through their system through normal metabolism." As time goes on the woman has three children, two girls and a boy. Twelve years later, one of the girls comes up to her mother and says "Mommy, I've done a very weird thing!" Her mother asks her what happened and her daughter replies, "I passed a bullet into the toilet." The woman comforts her and explains all about the accident at the bank. A few weeks later, her other daughter comes up to her with tears streaming from her eyes. "Mommy, I've done a very bad thing!" The mother says, "Let me guess. You passed a bullet into the toilet, right?" The daughter looks up from her teary eyes and says, "Yes, how did you know?" The mother comforts her child and explains about the incident at the bank. A month later the boy comes up and says, "Mommy, I've done a very bad thing!" "You passed a bullet into the toilet, right?" "No, I was masxxxxxxxng and I shot the dog." From enquiries at crocodileracers.com Mon Mar 2 08:58:04 2009 From: enquiries at crocodileracers.com (Crocodile Racers Adventures Ltd) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:58:04 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] Easter Weekend & Calendar of Group schedules for year 2009 Message-ID: <173458671_185593896@win238.ourcp.com> A pleasant day to you our Safari Partner, We hope that you have kept well. We would like to take this opportunity to send you the group schedules for this year. Please visit our link http://www.crocodileracers.com/calendar2.php to download detailed copies of the respective itineraries for your consideration. Our first quota of the year samples destinations like Tanzanian Parks (Ngorongoro, L.Manyara & Tarangire) this happens during Easter Holiday for 3 nights 4 days, Coast Beach Get Away 2 nights during the Labor Day Weekend, Meru National Park 2 nights 3 days during Madaraka Day Holiday, Mt. 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On Tuesday, at our 13th session of the Bi-monthly Talk Series, we hosted Justice minister Hon. Martha Karua; Swiss-based Prof. Jurg Steiner and ARRF's Prof. Michael Chege in an over-subscribed attendance never witnessed before. Come Friday, we held a joint press conference with Nairobi Metropolitan Development Minister Hon. Mutula Kilonzo, against the heightened destruction of wetlands. On Saturday, and in the cherished company of Water and Irrigation Minister Hon. Charity Ngilu among hundreds of city residents, we held a public demonstration that took us through a 10 kilometre walk and on occasions some running from charging (heavily armed hired) goons standing guard at the offending developments. We are calling upon all Kenyans and the international community (some of whom participated at the demo) to come to the rescue of our wetlands. On the other hand, we wish to appreciate Safaricom Limited for renewing its' 2009 corporate benefactor support to KARA. The Architectural Association of Kenya (Town Planning Chapter) has renewed its corporate membership. We also acknowledge Mr. Michael Joseph, CEO at Safaricom Limited, for renewing his individual membership for 2009. We are glad you are reading us. Editor www.safaricom.co.ke Inside this Issue - at a glance: ? BTS-13: why Hon. Martha Karua impressed the KARA forum ? Uncontrolled developments: Now NEMA cuts KARA relations ? Uncontrolled developments: the case for KARA's public demonstrations ? Hon. Mutula Kilonzo: government will act against unscrupulous developers ? Michael Aronson: new lands policy a recipe for land-grabbing ? Farewell to our wetlands: why Nema, City Council officials must resign ? It is a busy week for KEWASNET at Addis Ababa, Naivasha meetings ? Want to advertise in April/May Neighbourhood Kenya - contact us today! BTS-13: Why Hon. Martha Karua impressed the KARA Forum: "In conclusion, I call upon associations such as yours to equally join in the reform agenda. I believe that this way, the Kenya Alliance of Resident Associations will have added value to the ongoing reform programme that the Government has prioritized and that as we embark on the path of achieving the 10% growth envisaged in the Vision 2030, and in reducing poverty in Africa, we shall continue to need each other. I expect KARA and similar associations to remain active in this endeavor. Full-story Uncontrolled developments: Now NEMA Cuts KARA Relations: "Our attempts to dialogue with you have proved futile since you have kept on promising to give us an appointment in vain. It appears that you have decided to disregard the spirit of cooperation enshrined in the MOU. This view will be further reinforced should you go on with your public demonstration on 28th February 2009. Full-story Uncontrolled developments: The Case for KARA's public demonstrations: It is time we must all take stock of the glaring reality of how continued destruction of our environment impacts on climate change, food crisis, drying of rivers and future political instability as well as the long-term future of our nation. Full-story Mutula Kilonzo: Government will soon act against developers: The government will no longer tolerate the construction of buildings on wetlands, Nairobi Metropolitan minister Mutula Kilonzo has warned. Those found to have flouted this directive will be punished according to the law, added the minister. "Those who think that they can freely encroach on our rivers and use them as they wish or even destroy our wetlands at will are grossly mistaken . Full-story Michael Aronson: New Lands Policy Recipe for Land-grabbing: Almost every day of every week there is a report in the press about land being grabbed or claimed by someone other than the current occupier. And for every reported case there are probably a dozen or more incidents that go unreported. So how does a grabber steal land and how can he be stopped and how can grabbed land be recovered . Full-story Farewell to our Wetlands? Why NEMA, City Council Officials Must Resign: We would like to begin by thanking city residents, including Water and Irrigation Minister Hon. Charity Ngilu, who braved the insecurity scares and turned up in large numbers on Saturday to protest at the serious threat to wetlands as posed by the current scramble for uncontrolled developments occasioned by unscrupulous and selfish developers. Full-story Busy week for KEWASNET in Addis Ababa and Naivasha Meetings: KARA program officer Mr. Henry Ochieng will from Tuesday represent the Kenya Water and Sanitation CSO's Network (KEWASNET) at a 3-day governance and transparency fund (GTF) meeting in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Elsewhere and from Wednesday to Friday, KEWASNET members and partners will retreat in Naivasha for the network's strategic planning exercise. The retreat has been supported by WSP-Africa and will be opened by Water and Irrigation Minister Hon. Charity Ngilu. The Water and Sector Technical Group co-chair will be represented by Leone Comin of Italian Cooperation. KEWASNET secretariat is housed at KARA with the Chairmanship at Umande Trust and its treasury at Kenya Water for Health Organization (KWAHO). KEWASNET has signed a 5-year partnership on the DFID-GTF through a consortium led by WaterAid UK. 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URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 11:12:03 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:12:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] VP dismisses UN report on police killings Message-ID: <347032.37141.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Yes, Foreigners helped save bad situation of Civil War in Kenya and intervened for Peace Accord.? These Kenyan Leaders have no iota of truth in them.?They have eyes but do not see.? They have ears but do not hear.? They have brains but they do not use them.?They cannot be trusted.? They have failed Kenyans.? Kenya is a Failed State. ? I cannot trust VP Kalonzo Musyoka not a bit and I do not understand which god is his faithfulness he claims to serve!!! not the one we all know, through Jesus the son of God of whom we believe and trust in. ? VP and cohort are driving the children of God to doom. God is watching.? But just a little while God will give an answer and save?his children from the york of this doomsday leaders, who are so?wicked with dark heart, who call him Father Father but are busy bodies destroying the purpose of creation and the perfect will of God to mankind upon the earth.? Their days are numbered take heart people....... ? We are making noise around the walls of Jericho, and we believe one day the walls will come tumbling down.....Because it is the will of God for his children to live a responsible meaningful life.? This world belongs to God....we are only benefitiaries......and all humanity are entitled to a honorable and respectful living as long as we are alive......and all these leaders their days are coming people.....keep praying .....God hears......... ? Thanks, ? Sincerely, ? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ VP dismisses UN report on police killings Outrage: Country reacts to police killings Government rejects report on atrocities Police Commissioner blamed for killings ? Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka has dismissed the UN report on extra-judicial killings. While dismissing the report by UN Special rapporteur on human rights Prof Philip Alston, Kalonzo said Kenyans have a habit of trusting foreigners too much. "We seem to have greater faith in foreigners than we have in our own people," said the VP. Speaking to the Press after launching "Life Skills Campaign", hosted by Scripture Union of Kenya at Kenyatta International Conference Centre, Kalonzo said foreigners who criticise local institutions bring back memories of colonisation. And Lands Minister James Orengo wants the Government to give priority to reforms in the Judiciary and police force while implementing UN investigator Alston?s report. Orengo criticised Government Spokesperson Alfred Mutua for dismissing Alston?s findings on judicial killings. He said Mutua had no mandate to speak for the Government on the report and his views should be ignored. He said Justice Minister Martha Karua?s stand on the report was the Government?s view. Independent Medico Legal Unit (Imlu) said the Government?s rejection of the report is ill advised. "Instead of the Government trashing the report, it should enforce the recommendations. We cannot all be wrong in our findings that police have been engaging in extra-judicial killings," said Samuel Mohochi of Imlu. He said the Government should dismiss police officers accused of systematic executions. And the Parliamentary Select Committee probing extra-judicial killings says police cannot run away from the report by Alston. The chairman of the committee and Ndaragwa MP Jeremiah Kioni says it is the duty of the police to explain to Kenyans the whereabouts of hundreds of youths who have disappeared mysteriously. Kioni said Kenyans have lost con-fidence in Ali and he should resign. He said they had come across disturbing disturbing issues, which would be made public in line with the Parliamentary Standing Orders. ? Reports by Mutinda Mwanzia, Beauttah Omanga, Peter Atsiaya, George Olwenya and Joseph Murimi ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 12:25:08 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Police chief should not turn Kenya into Banana Republic Message-ID: <943183.65231.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Police chief should not turn Kenya into Banana Republic Published on Related Stories Government rejects report on atrocities Michuki, shoots from the lip UN team meets poll chaos victims MPs criticise Saitoti over police killings The roguish, bullish and thuggish acts of our police should prick conscience of the nation. Though police often shoot back in self-defence that is not what has been happening. There is indiscriminate murder of ?suspects?. That is why the visiting UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings, Arbitrary or Summary Executions, Prof Phillip Alston, concluded: "The Police Commissioner in particular, along with various other senior officials, assured me that no such killings take place. But he and his colleagues appear to be the only people in the entire country who believe this claim." Those who pull the trigger, as we discerned from slain former police officer-turned-whistleblower, Bernard Kiriinya, are from an extermination squad within the police force. It appears to have been accorded the licence to kill and often fake the crime scene to reflect a struggle and shoot-out. Kiirinya?s statement was recorded by Kenya National Commission on Human Rights. In what must be most daring and detailed confessions on operations of a police killer squad, naming places, time, names and car registrations, Kiirinya spilled the beans. The squad he worked for appeared to have a direct reporting line to director of Criminal Investigations Department, through whose office the Police Commissioner was briefed directly. Dead men tell no tales, but this one does. He died a hunted man, betrayed and in all likelihood killed by those he worked with. Predictably, not even a squeak has been heard from the force that is always quick to the camera to deny this and that. Maybe the evidence was awesome and incontrovertible. The killings described by Kiirinya appear borrowed from the Gestapo or Nazist Staci army. Suspects were strangled, bludgeoned and cut using pangas to disguise the killings as the work of the force. Outlandish killings The Mungiki movement, whose kingpins it was set to pursue, is a killer force with terrifying appetite for macabre killings. However, to kill suspects under the cover of darkness and throw the bodies into rivers, so that no one would recover them, is villainous, uncivil and criminal. As they say, two wrongs do not make a right. It is worse when police officers take over their victim?s money and properties such as vehicles. The number of those killed in these outlandish acts and repulsive methods is chilling. "Police are a law unto themselves and they kill often and with impunity, except in those rare instances where their actions are caught on film or recorded by outsiders in ways that cannot be dismissed,?? said the UN official. One would have expected the commissioner and the CID director to resign as a matter of personal honour. In total, 500 Mungiki suspects died in this wave! Add to this the 400 people police killed under the watch of present commanders with live bullets at the beginning of the year and it would make sense why the UN official said the police chief and Attorney General should resign and independent investigations be launched. As a law abiding corporate citizen, we too demand of the Government to set up an independent probe on extra-judicial killings and nail the culprits. The last time we checked Kenya was not on the list of Banana Republics. It never will because the citizenry resolved. ? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ? ? There is renewed energy in the public debate on police masterminded?careless killings since the?UN Rapporteur on Human Rights, Prof Alston released his report on a?10 days mission to investigate cases of extra judicial killings in Kenya. ? In the debate proposers and opposers all seem to have valid arguments at least to the best of their knowledge. However,?I want to suggest that before?we take sides in the debate, let us?form a working definition of the phrase extrajudicial killings.?I tried to google this?phrase for a proper?definition, but there?doesnt seem to be one. From what I have read though, my understanding of extrajudicial killing?is?any deliberate killing?done outside regular judicial proceedings, or that is not authorised by?the supreme law or a court order. For example, http://www.bungelamwananchi.org/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=60&task=videodirectlink&id=11? ? I hope now you understand why Police Commissioner, Major Hussein Ali should be taken to the Hague! ? George Nyongesa Bunge la Mwananchi ? Deportation of Arturs was a conspiracy Updated 7 hr(s) 4 min(s) ago Related Stories Arturs may have been drug traffickers Revealed: Secrets of the Artur brothers Woman held over Sh7.1m cocaine Arturs deportation was ?conspiracy? to defeat justice By David Ochami The deportation of the Artur brothers was a hurried ploy by the police and Immigration Department to protect them from criminal charges. The move was meant to conceal their suspect arrival and mission in Kenya, according to a two-year-old parliamentary report whose contents we can reveal. The Artur brothers at JKIA. A report by MPs says they were deported in unclear circumstances. Photo: File/StandardThe report suggests that Police Commissioner Hussein Ali instigated the Arturs? deportation to Dubai, UAE. The report by Parliament?s Justice and National Security committees in 2007 shows that the Arturs? gun drama at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in early June 2006 was not the reason for their deportation. This was because the Government had refused to deport them when the NSIS made a recommendation to that effect on April 26, that year. Airport drama Apparently, those who purported to deport the brothers after the airport drama of June 8, 2006, were present or represented at the NSIS briefing of April 26. They included the Police Commissioner, who ordered the eventual deportation on June 9. Others in the NSIS briefing were Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura, Attorney-General Amos Wako, NSIS Director Michael Gichangi, former Internal Security PS Cyrus Gituai and an unnamed former Foreign Affairs PS. According to minutes of the briefing cited by the joint report, the NSIS urged the Government to deport the foreigners, described as international drug dealers on the run because "their continued stay in Kenya would malign the good name of the country". It is not clear why the Government delegation failed "to take any action against the Artur brothers, who continued with impunity, to breach security". But the report suggests the alleged Armenians continued to hang around because they enjoyed high-level protection. "It showed the level of protection the two brothers were enjoying wherever they went, including such an important place as an international airport," says the report, referring to the JKIA gun affair. The report said the Artur brothers were escorted by police out of the airport despite drawing guns on and beating Customs officials and a CID officer. The report suggests further that the two stayed in Kenya after the NSIS briefing to engage in suspect activities, which the deportation was orchestrated to conceal. The two committees could not discover some of these activities, apart from former police Director of Operations David Kimaiyo, who was recalled from the committees? inquest as he prepared to testify on the June 9, 2006 discovery of guns at the Arturs? Runda residence. Sent from police The officer, who stopped Kimaiyo from testifying to the committees, "had been dispatched from the Police Commissioner?s office". The report claims that the foreigners? arrival late 2005 and stay in Kenya was tainted with criminality, ranging from false passports, through to criminal registration of trade companies and their incorporation into the police force as Deputy Commissioners of Police and suggests that the embarrassment caused by the alleged Armenians spurred Kenyan authorities to deport them to stem an escalation the regime wanted to hide. "It clearly emerged that the alleged deportation of the Artur brothers was well orchestrated, and it was intended to defeat the rule of law and to act as a cover up for these two individuals and what their activities in Kenya were." ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our police force should also come out and sometimes admit where they executed wrongly on mistaken identity so that the public do not condemn then harshly....it feel truly painful to loose a loved one through mistaken killing!!! You realize the culture of denial all the time has been implanted in our government systems since time immemorial? Thus Kenya for you..... Regards Josiah Ogalo On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > Anthony has a point. We have seen a decline in Mungiki activities. I'm > not sure if the case is the same upcountry but on the whole people are less > fearful. Shall we query how many people the CIA have killed in the name of > their government? Shall the UN also query how many people they have killed > in the interest of preserving their country? If losing some rogue allows me > to roam freely in my country, extra-judicial or not, I will support it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: edouards [mailto:edward.koech at gmail.com ] > Sent: 02 March 2009 12:29 > To: youngprofessionals_ke > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: In defense of the Police > > > Kenyans do forget so fast. > > it was the order of Michuki that shoot to kill started. this was when > he was moved from transport, after he introduced michuki rule which > makwere sat on it, to security department. > > how about then a situation where police are out to revenge on innocent > jamaa, or cover up their dealings with criminals, or even love > triangles and shoot you. will you be ok with that? > > how dare you forget the woman who laid dead in her house at naivasha > while the kid watch due to a straying bullet > > Police should account their extra-judicial killing and for all > kilings. period > > On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Anthony Wangondu > wrote: > > Last night a gang of 8 jumped over the fence of the plot neighbouring > mine, and killed the watchman. They were however, seen by a G4S patrol car > who together with a KK patrol car (none of whom are assigned to the victim > plot or ours) followed the gang. The gang members were jumping into the > neighbourhood houses, causing chaos, shooting in the air. I personally > stopped watching the Man U penalty shoot out to ensure that my gals were out > of the way of possible gun-fire. > > > These brave men, accompanied by the embedded policeman, managed to > apprehend 7 (presumably one escaped), saving one from angry residents bent > on a 'extra-judicial' killing. > > > > > We have seen an increase of these murderous gangs, be they Mungiki or > "haki yetu" types and if left unchecked, we will all live in fear of mafia > type gangs who will then openly demand protection fee from all of us. It is > a scary prospect. NO amount of hunger, joblessness, despair or alleged anger > about elections can justify killing, stealing, looting, raping or depriving > citizens of their peace and tranquillity. If any of those guys had got into > my house, there was going to be no debate about his life. Let's not be > naive. > > > > > I therefore agree with the order to eliminate murderous gangs, while > appreciating that this could be misused by a few rotten policemen. > > > We must never live in fear, just to satisfy the UN guy, we must never > live in fear in our own homes. > > > > > *********************************************************************************** > Visit http://www.fco.gov.uk for British foreign policy news and travel > advice and http://blogs.fco.gov.uk to read our blogs. > > Please note that all messages sent and received by members of the Foreign & > Commonwealth Office and its missions overseas may be automatically logged, > monitored and/or recorded in accordance with the Telecommunications (Lawful > Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations 2000. We > keep and use information in line with the Data Protection Act 1998. 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URL: From peter.mararo at syngenta.com Mon Mar 2 12:51:28 2009 From: peter.mararo at syngenta.com (peter.mararo at syngenta.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:51:28 +0100 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: In defense of the Police In-Reply-To: <6e692be7-d29b-4e6c-9813-f1a38e14cae7@q1g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> References: <330721.97910.qm@web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <667892.21950.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586D6A1D828B@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <6e692be7-d29b-4e6c-9813-f1a38e14cae7@q1g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <67A2120FF737E64F805CFFD6D4E10F6701C4A379@chwsmsxmb02.EAME.SYNGENTA.ORG> Now this is an interesting one. Edward Koech says Kenyans forget so fast referring to Anthony Wangondu's endorsement of the police. I think it is the other way round. Edward and the rest of Kenya seems to have forgotten an era very recently when Matakwei and his SDLF ruled Mt Elgon. They would walk into a village into Cheptais and its environs round up as many people as they wanted and march them off into the forest where they were summarily executed for the simple crime of either not being saboats or failing to adhere to the SDLF code. They ran rough shod over this ara for over three Years and killed thousands of people. We forget a time when it was not safe for women to walk the streets of our major towns in trousers or dressed in what Mungiki considered "indecent". When it was unsafe to venture into the matatu industry unless you paid the mungiki a hefty entry fee and a daily operational fee. When you could not own or construct your plot in Kayole, komarock, Dandora and kariobangi without paying the Mungiki. We forget the hundreds who lost property in Dandora because the mungiki simply took it over. We forget the terror that Mungiki rained in Muranga, Embu, Banana Hill, Nakuru and Nairobi. Killing innocent people for the simple reason that the police were trying to stop there operations. At no time as described above did I hear any intervention from the UN, KNHRC, Miscellaneous Mzungus like Alston (looks like a loose clerk pulled out of some western bureaucracy) or our famous western nations ambassadors come out either in condemnation of this violence or offering solutions to end the same. It was business as usual. Now that we used our own devices to quell it, These militia had become powers unto themselves and had taken over some sections of this country and were threatening to take over society. This was not going to be resolved by arresting a few guys and charging them with nondescript charges that would put them back on the streets in few months. Kenya went to war. A war between these militia and our internal security forces with the Army helping out in Mt Elgon (remember this was a police operation all through). War situations call for drastic measures and unfortunately it seems to have come in the form of summary executions in some cases. In my own experience, those I know of that disappeared in this manner were known criminal elements in their communities. I have yet to hear of a case where the local community was surprised or outraged, it is the immediate families that react this way and this is to be epected. If we lost a few innocent Kenyans in the process, pole sana, they were casualties of war and thank God it was not me! In short what I am saying it is time as a Nation we learnt to believe in ourselves, criticise constructively by appreciating what is good and pointing out where we need to change without turning it into a political issue hence circus. More importantly lets look to ourselves for solutions and not to some nondescript outsiders who will come with their own vested interest!. At the rate we are going we shall only be happy if we a foreign Judiciary, Police Force, Army, Government, Parliament (hmmm... not such a bad idea), Cabinet,and Prime Minister! -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of edouards Sent: 02 March 2009 12:29 To: youngprofessionals_ke Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: In defense of the Police Kenyans do forget so fast. it was the order of Michuki that shoot to kill started. this was when he was moved from transport, after he introduced michuki rule which makwere sat on it, to security department. how about then a situation where police are out to revenge on innocent jamaa, or cover up their dealings with criminals, or even love triangles and shoot you. will you be ok with that? how dare you forget the woman who laid dead in her house at naivasha while the kid watch due to a straying bullet Police should account their extra-judicial killing and for all kilings. period On Mar 2, 10:32 am, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > Last night a gang of 8 jumped over the fence of the plot neighbouring mine, and killed the watchman. They were however, seen by a G4S patrol car who together with a KK patrol car (none of whom are assigned to the victim plot or ours) followed the gang. The gang members were jumping into the neighbourhood houses, causing chaos, shooting in the air. I personally stopped watching the Man U penalty shoot out to ensure that my gals were out of the way of possible gun-fire. > These brave men, accompanied by the embedded policeman, managed to apprehend 7 (presumably one escaped), saving one from angry residents bent on a 'extra-judicial' killing. > > We have seen an increase of these murderous gangs, be they Mungiki or "haki yetu" types and if left unchecked, we will all live in fear of mafia type gangs who will then openly demand protection fee from all of us. It is a scary prospect. NO amount of hunger, joblessness, despair or alleged anger about elections can justify killing, stealing, looting, raping or depriving citizens of their peace and tranquillity. If any of those guys had got into my house, there was going to be no debate about his life. Let's not be naive. > > I therefore agree with the order to eliminate murderous gangs, while appreciating that this could be misused by a few rotten policemen. > We must never live in fear, just to satisfy the UN guy, we must never live in fear in our own homes. > -------------------------------------------------------- This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the designated recipient, please notify the sender immediately, and delete the original and any copies. Any use of the message by you is prohibited. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I saw a young man in in his late 20's who had his underwear exposed real bad. He spent all His energy holding to his shagging pants. -I see men and women walking into stores holding hands or conversing like husband and wife, but when paying, each pays for their stuff! What does that mean? I don't really know. But it's possible that such are one of the following: *Boyfriend/girlfriend *Room mate, staying together to share rent *or something -I see a world that likes everything else but the word of God The Bible states very clearly that it's behaviors like what we see daily that finally pushed God to destroy the world during the time of Noah and the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! God have mercy! Have we learned anything? I doubt! As a matter of fact I am afraid that we might call/cause our own destruction! Or what do you think? Just a thought. Pr Birai From kimani1 at un.org Mon Mar 2 11:00:19 2009 From: kimani1 at un.org (Anne Kimani) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:00:19 +0200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] KISUMU NO LONGER 3RD CITY - IT IS LAST NOW Message-ID: Guns fall silent but businesses pay the price Published on By Mangoa Mosota The couple made more than Sh1 million a month and employed over 20 employees at their two hotels in Kisumu. Majority of these are now jobless. The violence resulting from the 2007 disputed presidential election reduced the facilities to ruins. A man ferries water past a house that was destroyed during the post-poll election violence. A hotel at Dunga was burned, while another at Milimani was looted. "We lost over Sh30 million in property when youths descended on the two hotels," says Mrs Grace Wambui Odongo of the business she co-owned with her husband, Mr David Habil Odongo. Last month, she opened a guesthouse in Milimani Estate: "I converted two residential houses at a cost of Sh5 million to Classic Guest House. I have leased the buildings." Odongo says they have employed five former employees. "The other 15 are jobless and keep asking me if there is a vacancy," she says. Prospective buyers The businesswoman says she urges them to seek opportunities elsewhere. "They were good employees, and I may consider some of them from April when my business is likely to pick up." She accused the Government of ignoring the plight of business people whose property was plundered. "The Government failed to give security to our property and it has not compensated us. Even now, there are no assurances that if we re-built our businesses, we will be provided with security," she laments. She says they are unable to re-build the facility at Dunga, due to what she terms "tension that has not ebbed". The shell of a car that was burned during the chaos. Photos: James Keyi/Standard Odongo symbolises the pain of traders in Kisumu, who are yet to recover from the damage to their businesses. And even as the Grand Coalition Government marks one year since Dr Kofi Annan brokered a peace deal, paving the way for power sharing between President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga, many people in Kisumu are still nursing the effects of the violence. Although peace has returned and traders who fled the town are back, those who lost their property may need more time to fully recover. Close to 30 businesses that provided employment are non-operational. For instance, Kimwa Holdings, with four hotels, is yet to re-open after operations ceased more than a year ago, due to destruction. One of the senior managers of the establishment, Ms Ida Kabuya, told The Standard that the proprietor was seeking prospective buyers to dispose of the properties. "He has been around in the last two weeks seeking buyers for the facilities," says Kabuya. She says most of the more than 500 employees they had are now jobless. Former employees A report prepared by the firm?s management shows they lost property worth Sh300 million. "Sh307 million was lost. In addition, our turnover per month is an average of Sh7 million," the report states. In total, the hotels had 76 rooms with a 140-bed capacity. The firm also lost a dairy farm at Otonglo, with 120 cows. "An assessment of the farm found we have lost over Sh40 million," the report further states. It adds that more than 500 litres of milk from the farm was supplied to their hotels and other eateries in town daily. Kabuya says she is running a police eatery in Milimani, and has retained only three of their former employees. "Most of them come seeking jobs from me, but unfortunately, I am not in a position to assist them," she says. Kabuya says the losses they suffered are immense. Other towns "At Gulf Stream Hotel we had 38 rooms, and each went for Sh4,500 per night. The hotels brought in millions," says Kabuya. Recently, Mr Dhanani Hitesh, a director of Ukwala Holdings, said they were unable to open their branch at Wedco Building, on Oginga Odinga Street, that was destroyed during the violence. Hitesh said they did not have the funds to re-open the supermarket, as they have not been compensated. And Nyanza Provincial Housing Officer Benedict Lidigu said most property developers have shied away from the lakeside town. He says most of them have relocated to other towns, with no new buildings coming up in residential areas such as Kondele. Kisumu is Kenya?s third largest town and is the headquarters of Lake Basin Commission, an organisation formed two years ago to oversee prudent management of Lake Victoria. Construction of a Sh2.9 billion airport is going on and it is expected to boost the lakeside town?s economic growth, once completed. The project is scheduled to be complete in two years by a Chinese firm. Privacy policy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From lynad2001 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 05:14:25 2009 From: lynad2001 at yahoo.com (Lilian Adhiambo) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:14:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Teacher's Strike is justified!! In-Reply-To: <8492F2242D21A2419B9C0AA8DA9B8E7B0E46F5@mailserver.salafrica.com> Message-ID: <530034.31910.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Hillary, Can you please resend me the email entitled "Real Facts". Sorry, I pressed the delete button by mistake when I wanted to forward it to my friends. I found it very true and exciting. Thanks, Lillian. --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Hillary Mkabana wrote: > From: Hillary Mkabana > Subject: [Jambo] Teacher's Strike is justified!! > To: Jambo at publiceyesite.org > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 3:30 AM > Teacher's Strike is justified!! > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > In fact, they need de-stress / hardship allowance! > > > > > > > Hi, Guys > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From kenauma at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 06:44:46 2009 From: kenauma at yahoo.com (auma kenedy) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:44:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] MPs NATIONAL ANTHEM!!!!! Message-ID: <851651.92134.qm@web50805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Politicians of all persuasions > > > > > > Strip this our land and nation. > > Fortunes motivate us and keep us. > > May we steal with impunity > > Dodge taxes in unity; > > Plenty be sourced within our > dockets. > > > > > > Let all politicians arise > > With scams both wily and foolproof. > > Eating be our earnest endeavor, > > And our cake-stand of > Kenya , > > Heritage of plunder, > > May we fight forever to perpetuate. > > > > > > Let parties with one accord, > > In common greed united, > > Bankrupt our nation together, > > May the agony of > Kenya , > > The fruit of our behavior, > > Remain hidden from our 2012 voters. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and > Content and cleared by > *MailMarshal * > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > "Success doesn't mean the absence of failures; it > means the attainment of > ultimate objectives. It means winning the war, not every > battle. > Kennedy Auma > Health Information Administrator > Hope Center for Infectious Diseases Nairobi, Kenya > kauma at copticmission.org > Tel.: +254202318347 > Mobile: +254721559424 > P Conserve our environment. Avoid printing --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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What Prof. Okumu who broker a deal of peace in South African between Mandela and his rival in earlier 1990?s.? --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Kasipul Kabondo wrote: From: Kasipul Kabondo Subject: [Jambo] Foreigners to head all Kenyans Institutions! To: "'kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com'" , africa-oped at yahoogroups.com, "'An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange.'" Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 5:49 PM http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html ? Something must be terribly wrong with my friend's judgement! How can Hon Raila, who is the Kenyan PM make such careless statements. You can see that even the Mzungu seated next to him is equally surprised. Why can't he consult thoroughly with his advisors? I understand the labour politics in the West so much that I will be a fool to advocate for foreigners to take over the running of our institutions simply because of mistrust. The mistrust we are talking of has been created and exercebated by bad leadership Kenya has had since independence. Any Kenya(African) working abroad will find such an insult when their leaders, instead of creating opprtunities for their people, fight for the scarce positions for foreigners! ? Something is terribly wrong! ? ? Otieno Mbare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ? ? Otieno Mbare, P.hD (Econ & Bus.Adm) Research Fellow, ?bo Akademi University & Lecturer, Turku University of Applied Sciences ? Tel. +358 2 2154 095 (off1)+358 2 2154 976 (Off) +358 40 5341 996 --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Dickens Odhiambo wrote: From: Dickens Odhiambo Subject: [africa-oped] BREAKING NEWS : UN investigator says Kenya responsible for police killings To: "'kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com'" , "'africa-oped at yahoogroups.com'" , "'An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange.'" Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:53 AM http://www.nation. co.ke/News/ -/1056/534800/ -/u2hu54/ -/index.html Extra-judicial killings: UN investigator indicts Government, the military and the police force, calls for sacking of Attorney-General Amos Wako and Police Commissioner Hussein Ali. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Africa-oped welcomes opinions & analysis on African issues. A short essay of 400-1500 words is preferable:? Africa-oped is world readable at http://www.egroups.com/group/africa-oped. Coming soon: www.africa-oped.org that will carry the "best of Africa-Oped" Share and obtain business information: http://www.aganoconsulting.com. Contribute Africa-related business articles and get paid; send your articles to: info at aganoconsulting.com. 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Message-ID: <159650.61429.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As if we don't have enough problems already, some people for being careless, add un-called for problems. I have seen it before, and I saw it again yesterday! This guy made this lady-a former work mate! The way they greeted each other and carried the conversation left a lot to be desired! All a long, I was of the impression that the guy was alone! A few minutes later, a wife came and everything else changed! This lady took the initiative to introduce herself to the guys wife and made it clear that they were former work mates! That's all I can say on this particular case! But below is how many of us have caused untold harm, including mental torture to our loved ones. -Some fail to let friends and work mates know that indeed they are married or engaged/taken -Some fail to warn their friends not to call home looking for them. I have heard cases whereby when some find a wife/husband, they hang up -The way some of us conduct ourselves out there, leaves a lot to be desired -Whenever we meet old friends in the presence of our loved ones, some are careless in the way they speak or act -Avoid storing numbers in your cell that you know are questionable -Live and act in such a way that leaves no one to question your motives or behavior -Know and understand what material your wife/husband is made of. Above all, let us all try and avoid the appearance of evil as the word of God admonishes! Shall we? Pr Birai From joragem at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:06:38 2009 From: joragem at gmail.com (Joram Ragem) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] Uongo Without The Truth Is Truth. Message-ID: Hehehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSlTW8mjirs&eurl=http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/541302/-/u3275o/-/index.html Can someone please teach them diplomatic protocal. -- Joram Ragem wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josiah.ogalo at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:55:03 2009 From: josiah.ogalo at gmail.com (josiah ogalo) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:55:03 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: On Ethics ......................... In-Reply-To: References: <289797740903030102w6f536513k4191b574d50179b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <181c75910903031055y2fea59b3x55031d29279afbe8@mail.gmail.com> Mwangi, Truth be spoken this typifies my society,our society! I/We do this everyday....those who dare do things differently play in a different league! Rightly spoken Frank,BTW...talk of knowing all the rules so that when u break them, u break them properly! Thank God...'while we were still sinners, christ died for us' Always Josiah On 3/3/09, eunice wambui wrote: > i steal from my employer(mostly in form of time) because he also steals from > me, by underpaying me! > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Martin Odhiambo > wrote: > >> >> Hi Francis, >> >> I guess ulikuwa unanimulika mimi! LOL >> >> But in some cases one has no option other than to use the shortcut. eg >> when traffic police catches me on the wrong side, i would rather part >> with those 500 bob >> than go to court. >> >> Let me put it this way, we can help by ensuring we are not the taker >> eg if am the police, i make sure i dont take the bribe, if am the >> headmister, i can make sure i dont take any bribe to admit a student >> through back door >> This way we can help, but the away way, its is always very tempting to >> be an accomplise. >> >> Good article there. >> keep it up man. >> >> Regards >> Odhis. >> >> On Mar 3, 1:02 am, francis mwangi chege >> wrote: >> > While writing this article about ethics, it reminded me of a story I >> > must >> > have read somewhere about a young English parliamentarian who had just >> > be >> > elected into office. When he entered the house for the first time, he >> > approached a sage and asked, ?Tell me sir, do you think I should >> participate >> > in today?s debate?? Then the old man looked at him with piercing eyes >> > and >> > said. ?To be honest young man, I would recommend you keep quiet. Its >> better >> > people wonder why you didn?t speak than wonder why you did.? >> > >> > The same advice may apply here. Ethics is a sensitive issue, and neither >> I >> > am an authority on that field, but I feel it?s important to talk about >> it. >> > >> > Everywhere we turn today there are signs of ethical deterioration. Just >> > a >> > few weeks ago, we saw several cabinet nominees in Obama administration >> > resign due to tax controversy. Closer back home hardly does a month >> > pass >> by >> > before the media reports MD so as so has been sent home over corrupt >> deals. >> > We also have maize scandal, triton scandal name them. Inside trading in >> NSE, >> > sex scandals between university students and lecturers, in secondary >> school >> > admission, in government officers, on our roads daily etc. >> > >> > Obviously, all these people, or *us in most* cases believe that we have >> to >> > cheat to win, to seal that deal, to be successful. We believe that nice >> guys >> > finish last. However this is against the universal wisdom. We all know >> that >> > though we might temporarily get our end, in the end it will come to >> > haunt >> > us. >> > >> > This begs the billion dollar question? What is wrong? >> > >> > Before you point fingers to Ruto for the Maize scandal, or Okungu for >> > the >> > Triton etc, first examine your ethical thermometer first. How many >> > hours >> do >> > you steal from your employer to spend on Facebook, chatting or on YP >> mails? >> > How many times have you taken office stationary home? How many times do >> you >> > use office telephone to make personal calls? Have you ever taken >> undeserved >> > ?sick? leave? Have you ever interfered with the petty cash or have you >> had >> > your receipts for some goods you bought on behalf of the company >> > inflated >> to >> > pocket the extra cash? >> > >> > To ensure that people behave ethically, some companies have a code of >> > ethics, some especially the small and middle sized doesn?t. How about in >> our >> > interaction outside the workplace, in our personal lives? Do you have a >> > personal code of conduct, guiding principles that you evaluate against >> > anything you say or do; a set of personal value you live by? >> > >> > Luckily you don?t have to have them. Us human beings are uniquely made >> and >> > one major difference between us and animals is that we *have a >> conscience*. >> > You don?t need to read a your company code of conduct to know that using >> > office time to do personal work is wrong. You definitely *always feel* >> you >> > are doing wrong. For us Christian and Muslim, we have a lot of ethical >> > guideline in the bible and Koran e.g. the 10 commandments. Yet we always >> > don?t follow them partly because we have not deeply internalized them or >> > because of the allure of short term gratification. But no truly >> successful >> > person ever got there without ethics as one of the fundamental >> > principles >> in >> > which they live by. The same is true of businesses. Business which >> doesn?t >> > operate ethically doesn?t last long, pyramid schemes being a case in >> point; >> > don?t go past the 2nd year yet companies are ethical exist for centuries >> > e.g. Procter and gamble have existed since 1837. The same case with >> > you, >> > though you might temporarily seem to have succeeded using unethical >> > ways, >> > soon you will be on your way down the ladder. >> > >> > In Rotary and Rotaract >> > we have what I can call an ethical check >> > questions, commonly known as the >> > *4- Way Test.< >> http://www.rotary.org/en/MediaAndNews/TheRotarian/Archives/Pages/0709...> >> > * It is a 24 word guideline which is the public face of Rotary >> > commitment >> to >> > business ethics, what guides Rotarians(Members of Rotary) and >> > Rotaractors(Members of Rotaract) interaction in their lives, when making >> > every decision all day wrong. It goes like this. >> > >> > *Of the things we think, say or do * >> > >> > *1. **Is it the TRUTH? * >> > >> > *2. **Is it FAIR to all concerned? * >> > >> > *3. **Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS? * >> > >> > *4. **Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned? * >> > >> > Another ethical check I have ever come across was; cannot remember from >> > which source. >> > >> > ? *Is it legal?* >> > >> > ? *Is it balanced?* >> > >> > ? *How will it make me feel about myself?* >> > >> > Whichever the ethical guide you use, they all a have some common >> underlying >> > principle; fairness. The Golden rule which comes from the bible says, >> > ?Do >> > unto others what you want them do unto you.? Those who have ever read >> > the >> > book, The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen >> > Covey> >, >> > know the habit number 4: *Win-Win*. Try as much as possible to ensure >> that >> > in every deal, both or all of you win. Not that you win at the real >> expense >> > of someone else i.e. win-lose. If we were to follow that then we won?t >> see a >> > lot of mergers which benefit the shareholders while many employees are >> sent >> > packing. No-wander very few mergers especially in Kenya ever succeed. >> > >> > Ethics issues doesn?t come in just big ways, Let's say you are taking >> your >> > family to Nairobi National Park. As you enter the gates and take out >> > your >> > wallet to pay for admission, you notice a sign that says children under >> six >> > go in free. >> > >> > "Ah!" you think to yourself. "My youngest child turned six a few weeks >> ago, >> > but I'll tell them she's still five and save a few shillings. It's only >> > a >> > tiny untruth, nobody will know the difference and the KWS will certainly >> not >> > go bankrupt because of it." >> > >> > But one of your older sons, who is no fool, overhears your exchange with >> the >> > attendant at the counter and quizzes you about it as you all pass >> through. >> > After all, didn?t he see you celebrate the birthday last weekend?. >> > >> > "Don't worry about it, son," you tell him reassuringly. "Everybody does >> it." >> > >> > Then a year later, you're shocked when this same son is caught cheating >> in a >> > school exam, or helping himself to an chocolate in the supermarket when >> he >> > no one is was looking the that way. You angrily demand to know how he >> could >> > dare to bring such shame upon the entire family. >> > >> > "But Dad," he protests. "Everybody does it." >> > >> > Its upon us as young professional to ensure that we behave ethically in >> all >> > aspects of life, in our workplace, in our business, in our >> > relationships, >> in >> > our families. Its upon us as young parents to ensure that we set an >> > exemplary standard to our children. It is good if each of us had an >> ethical >> > guide, posted somewhere in the wall either in your office or bedroom >> which >> > we can always refer to, to us solve ethical dilemmas when faced with >> > one. >> > Let?s build our society on ethical ground, ethical rocks. >> > >> > Yes, nice guys seem to finish last, but what we don?t realize is that >> they >> > usually are running in a different race. >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > Francis Mwangi Chege >> > Java Software Developer >> > Safari SoftSolutions Ltd. >> > +254 - 721 663 208 >> > >> > http://francismwangi.blogspot.com/https://twitter.com/francismwangi >> > >> > "In software, ideas are expressed in code. The implementation is the >> idea. >> > If an idea has not been implemented, it is premature to call it an >> > 'idea' >> -- >> > it is rather a notion, a daydream or perhaps a fancy. If one has such a >> > thought, the first order of business is not to send out proposals or >> > give >> > speeches or navigate through process but rather to sit down and write >> some >> > code: build a prototype, share it with some like-minded people, >> incorporate >> > their feedback, expand the community and iterate. If one does this and >> one's >> > ideas are sound, the process naturally follows; people naturally >> gravitate >> > to good ideas." Bryan Cantrill >> >> > >> > > > > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Kibaki has failed us with his entire reckless family and we must demand as a nation their immediate exit from State House. We are not ready as a nation for another similar embarassment. Our African culture has all the provision for more than one wife (depending on your income!), therefore, it's quite embarassing for a president to be dragged to the lawns of State House to reject part of his family which is common knowledge. Let Kibakis take people to court! This nonsense should stop in Kenya! Otieno Mbare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ? ? Otieno Mbare, P.hD (Econ & Bus.Adm) Research Fellow, ?bo Akademi University & Lecturer, Turku University of Applied Sciences ? Tel. +358 2 2154 095 (off1)+358 2 2154 976 (Off) +358 40 5341 996 --- On Tue, 3/3/09, publiceyet at aol.com wrote: From: publiceyet at aol.com Subject: [africa-oped] Public Eye Group News. Commentary. Religion. 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URL: From luo31 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 3 23:06:45 2009 From: luo31 at hotmail.com (barack abonyo) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:06:45 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] =?windows-1252?q?=5Bafrica-oped=5D_Standard_raid_was_=91p?= =?windows-1252?q?lanned_and_executed_by_State=92?= In-Reply-To: <968313.88295.qm@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <968313.88295.qm@web110705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now where is the minister of justice and the attoney general. It is clear who committed the standard crime. Prosecute prosecute prosecute Mr Attoney general if you have the balls. Amos Wako and Martha Karua are toothless dogs. You cannot finish crime in Kenya when the criminal sleeps in one bed with the president. Kenya is doomed as long as Kibaki is the president. Barack To: kca_main at yahoogroups.com CC: kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com; africa-oped at yahoogroups.com From: barakaserv at yahoo.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:49:21 -0800 Subject: [africa-oped] Standard raid was ?planned and executed by State? Now you know why the Prezo was tearful today during an emergency press conference. JM. http://www.eastandard.net/specialreports/InsidePage.php?id=1144007870&cid=259& Standard raid was ?planned and executed by State? By David Ohito The raid on the Standard Group was planned and carried out by the Government. Former Kabete MP Paul Muite, who co-chaired the parliamentary investigation team, says the raid was conducted by the State and then Internal Security Minister John Michuki admitted it during interrogation. And yesterday, leaders condemned the raid, arguing it should never happen again. Medical Services Minister Anyang? Nyong?o said: "Those of us who have fought for media freedom pray such evil never occurs again." Mr Muite recounted the findings of his committee. "When I was co-chairman of the investigation committee, we summoned Mr Michuki and we were shocked at his testimony. "He asked us not to call it a raid, but a Government operation," Muite said. Out of fear In an interview with The Standard, Muite said the raid was conducted out of fear. "Michuki said there were rumours that The Standard and KTN were about to publish dangerous articles and information regarding the President and his family. We were left speechless for a while," Muite said. Muite was the chair of the Committee on Administration, National Security, Local Authorities and Legal Affairs, which investigated the activities of the Artur brothers. He co-chaired the investigation with now Assistant Minister Ramadhan Kajembe. Other members were Mr Zaddock Syongo, Mr Omingo Magara, Mr Bifwoli Wakoli, Mr Moses Cheboi, Mr Kipkalya Kones, Mr Odhiambo Omamba, Mr Daudi Mwanzia, Mr Alfred Nderitu and Mr Noah arap Too. Muite pointed accusing fingers at powerful ministers, who declined to list Motions seeking a House resolution to have hearings of the committee in public. "Then Vice-President Moody Awori and Minister Martha Karua were Leader and Deputy Leader of Government Business, but they were opposed to have the House pass the resolution," he added. Commenting on the parallel investigation conducted by former Police Commissioner Shadrack Kiruki, the former MP challenged the Government to stop spending money on initiatives that are not made public. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Africa-oped welcomes opinions & analysis on African issues. A short essay of 400-1500 words is preferable: Africa-oped is world readable at http://www.egroups.com/group/africa-oped. 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Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 23:47:58 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Almost persuaded to join NET 10 ! Message-ID: <298868.97168.qm@web38704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At my place of work, there are advertisements that run every so often and for days!One of them has caught my attention. It's an advertisement inviting all to shift from their current cell phone carrier to NET 10. Here are the highlihgts of the NET 10: -No Bills -No contract -No evil -150 minutes per month for only $ 15.00 -If you want more minutes, you go for them -For only $ 29.98 Even with those who have a good and reliable carrier, the above advertisement is very compelling indeed. Needless to say, the advertisement has worked? How do I know? I have seen a good number of people buying the new cell phone! Let me also try by advertising the home for the saints: -A rent/morgage free mansion -No death -No sickness or pain -No thieves or evil people -No looking for employment -No language barrier -No discrimination whatsover -Live with trinity and the saved for eternity With such a wonderful package, why to we lean so much unto this world while paying too little attention to the heavenly home? I will do everything possible to be there! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From wa.ciru at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 22:27:43 2009 From: wa.ciru at gmail.com (wa.ciru at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: On Ethics ......................... In-Reply-To: <289797740903030102w6f536513k4191b574d50179b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <289797740903030102w6f536513k4191b574d50179b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Just the day before yesterday I was at a job interview, and I explained so boldly to that man how good I am in Pastel. I have never used Pastel and soon as I left there my heart was saying what were you doing wa-ciru? And now after reading this, I will not take the job which I know they are giving me. It will be on a false pretense. Wa Ciru francis mwangi chege wrote: > While writing this article about ethics, it reminded me of a story I must > have read somewhere about a young English parliamentarian who had just be > elected into office. When he entered the house for the first time, he > approached a sage and asked, ?Tell me sir, do you think I should participate > in today?s debate?? Then the old man looked at him with piercing eyes and > said. ?To be honest young man, I would recommend you keep quiet. Its better > people wonder why you didn?t speak than wonder why you did.? > > > > The same advice may apply here. Ethics is a sensitive issue, and neither I > am an authority on that field, but I feel it?s important to talk about it. > > > > Everywhere we turn today there are signs of ethical deterioration. Just a > few weeks ago, we saw several cabinet nominees in Obama administration > resign due to tax controversy. Closer back home hardly does a month pass by > before the media reports MD so as so has been sent home over corrupt deals. > We also have maize scandal, triton scandal name them. Inside trading in NSE, > sex scandals between university students and lecturers, in secondary school > admission, in government officers, on our roads daily etc. > > > > Obviously, all these people, or *us in most* cases believe that we have to > cheat to win, to seal that deal, to be successful. We believe that nice guys > finish last. However this is against the universal wisdom. We all know that > though we might temporarily get our end, in the end it will come to haunt > us. > > > > This begs the billion dollar question? What is wrong? > > > > Before you point fingers to Ruto for the Maize scandal, or Okungu for the > Triton etc, first examine your ethical thermometer first. How many hours do > you steal from your employer to spend on Facebook, chatting or on YP mails? > How many times have you taken office stationary home? How many times do you > use office telephone to make personal calls? Have you ever taken undeserved > ?sick? leave? Have you ever interfered with the petty cash or have you had > your receipts for some goods you bought on behalf of the company inflated to > pocket the extra cash? > > > > To ensure that people behave ethically, some companies have a code of > ethics, some especially the small and middle sized doesn?t. How about in our > interaction outside the workplace, in our personal lives? Do you have a > personal code of conduct, guiding principles that you evaluate against > anything you say or do; a set of personal value you live by? > > Luckily you don?t have to have them. Us human beings are uniquely made and > one major difference between us and animals is that we *have a conscience*. > You don?t need to read a your company code of conduct to know that using > office time to do personal work is wrong. You definitely *always feel* you > are doing wrong. For us Christian and Muslim, we have a lot of ethical > guideline in the bible and Koran e.g. the 10 commandments. Yet we always > don?t follow them partly because we have not deeply internalized them or > because of the allure of short term gratification. But no truly successful > person ever got there without ethics as one of the fundamental principles in > which they live by. The same is true of businesses. Business which doesn?t > operate ethically doesn?t last long, pyramid schemes being a case in point; > don?t go past the 2nd year yet companies are ethical exist for centuries > e.g. Procter and gamble have existed since 1837. The same case with you, > though you might temporarily seem to have succeeded using unethical ways, > soon you will be on your way down the ladder. > > > > In Rotary and Rotaract > we have what I can call an ethical check > questions, commonly known as the > *4- Way Test. > * It is a 24 word guideline which is the public face of Rotary commitment to > business ethics, what guides Rotarians(Members of Rotary) and > Rotaractors(Members of Rotaract) interaction in their lives, when making > every decision all day wrong. It goes like this. > > *Of the things we think, say or do * > > *1. **Is it the TRUTH? * > > *2. **Is it FAIR to all concerned? * > > *3. **Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS? * > > *4. **Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned? * > > Another ethical check I have ever come across was; cannot remember from > which source. > > ? *Is it legal?* > > ? *Is it balanced?* > > ? *How will it make me feel about myself?* > > Whichever the ethical guide you use, they all a have some common underlying > principle; fairness. The Golden rule which comes from the bible says, ?Do > unto others what you want them do unto you.? Those who have ever read the > book, The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen > Covey, > know the habit number 4: *Win-Win*. Try as much as possible to ensure that > in every deal, both or all of you win. Not that you win at the real expense > of someone else i.e. win-lose. If we were to follow that then we won?t see a > lot of mergers which benefit the shareholders while many employees are sent > packing. No-wander very few mergers especially in Kenya ever succeed. > > > > Ethics issues doesn?t come in just big ways, Let's say you are taking your > family to Nairobi National Park. As you enter the gates and take out your > wallet to pay for admission, you notice a sign that says children under six > go in free. > > "Ah!" you think to yourself. "My youngest child turned six a few weeks ago, > but I'll tell them she's still five and save a few shillings. It's only a > tiny untruth, nobody will know the difference and the KWS will certainly not > go bankrupt because of it." > > But one of your older sons, who is no fool, overhears your exchange with the > attendant at the counter and quizzes you about it as you all pass through. > After all, didn?t he see you celebrate the birthday last weekend?. > > "Don't worry about it, son," you tell him reassuringly. "Everybody does it." > > Then a year later, you're shocked when this same son is caught cheating in a > school exam, or helping himself to an chocolate in the supermarket when he > no one is was looking the that way. You angrily demand to know how he could > dare to bring such shame upon the entire family. > > "But Dad," he protests. "Everybody does it." > > Its upon us as young professional to ensure that we behave ethically in all > aspects of life, in our workplace, in our business, in our relationships, in > our families. Its upon us as young parents to ensure that we set an > exemplary standard to our children. It is good if each of us had an ethical > guide, posted somewhere in the wall either in your office or bedroom which > we can always refer to, to us solve ethical dilemmas when faced with one. > Let?s build our society on ethical ground, ethical rocks. > > Yes, nice guys seem to finish last, but what we don?t realize is that they > usually are running in a different race. > -- > Regards > > Francis Mwangi Chege > Java Software Developer > Safari SoftSolutions Ltd. > +254 - 721 663 208 > > http://francismwangi.blogspot.com/ > https://twitter.com/francismwangi > > "In software, ideas are expressed in code. The implementation is the idea. > If an idea has not been implemented, it is premature to call it an 'idea' -- > it is rather a notion, a daydream or perhaps a fancy. If one has such a > thought, the first order of business is not to send out proposals or give > speeches or navigate through process but rather to sit down and write some > code: build a prototype, share it with some like-minded people, incorporate > their feedback, expand the community and iterate. If one does this and one's > ideas are sound, the process naturally follows; people naturally gravitate > to good ideas." Bryan Cantrill --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I feel that she was justified after all she has managed to keep a home together for over 40years,despite rumours of battling with depression,the Big man may have slipped and had a mistress with a child..but for the later to claim title as a legal wife and pulling strings or ropes to be highly featured by the media being philathropic with the community was plain wrong..To me it remains mama lucy has fought a good fight and no one is entitled to her title to share what she has fought for..for ages..sumuni zangu judy --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 08:39:53 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:39:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Where wisdom comes into play! Message-ID: <639868.99414.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The man of Galilee and the University of Hard knocks, have taught me great lessons. One of the lessons that I have learned in great humility, is to know when to apply wisdom in the day to day interaction with others. To start with, allow me to share with you a story that will go a long way in explaining that which I intend to share! A young couple with their little one went through my lane yesterday. At the end of the transaction, the husband wanted to know if he could be allowed to return an item that he had bought a week ago but since then had lost a receipt! As the conversation continued, the wife jumped in and revealed what I thought was interesting! "But it was only three dollars!," she wondered loud! After they left, I thought of wisdom and how it helps us all in sorting out many things in life. Here is how and where wisdom applies! -It helps one to decide on when to respond, how to respond, whether to respond and why to respond to any gossip or attack -It helps one to know when to continue with a relationship, slow down, or give it up -It helps one to decide when to be part of a community, why to be part of a community, or when to leave the community alone for sometime if not forever -It helps one to know genuine friends from fake ones -It helps a spouse to know when and how to stop fighting -It helps some people to realize that you can not afford fighting everybody or loosing all friends -It helps those who have, to know that life can turn around. The Biblical statement, "The first will be the last and the last the first," has and will continue to be valid. And how does one get this wisdom? James has an answer! "If any one of you lack wisdom, let him ask God, that giveth to all man liberally, and upraideth not;and it shall be given him." James 1:5 Has any one ever asked and given? Yes, indeed! Here is what the Bible teaches: "...Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" 1 Kings 3:9 And what was God's response? "Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given you thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee." 1 Kings 3:11 I have always prayed for this kind of wisdom! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From ppa at africaonline.co.ke Wed Mar 4 12:05:15 2009 From: ppa at africaonline.co.ke (People For Peace) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:05:15 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] Regional News Message-ID: <20090304171417.C08841FDF0A5@scanner.ke.celtel.com> cid:00db01c8ba69$a925d360$d8ebfea9 at 360be4f6901e423Colleagues Home & Abroad Regional News cid:00dc01c8ba69$a9275a00$d8ebfea9 at 360be4f6901e423 DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT- BREAKING NEWS BY FR JOACHIM OMOLO OUKO, AJ NAIROBI-KENYA MARCH 4, 2009 On my on behalf as Tangaza College lecturer and People for Peace in Africa I send condolence to Spritan (Holy Ghost communities) and Tangaza College- Catholic University of Eastern Africa following untimely death of Rev Fr Ambrose Mutinda- who until his death was the Director of Theology at Tangaza College. Fr Mutinda who passed away today at lunch time- Nairobi Hospital is going to be missed by seminarians and lay students, staff and casual workers for his generosity and friendly. Fr Mutinda was just preparing for his sabbatical year due this year. But what God has planned is not human. Fr Mutinda in his early 40's died of Kidney failure and liver complications. MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PEACE People for Peace in Africa (PPA) P O Box 14877 Nairobi 00800, Westlands Kenya E-Mail ppa at africaonline.co.ke Tel 254-20-4441372 Website : www.peopleforpeaceafrica.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2080 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1810 bytes Desc: not available URL: From benomakori at yahoo.com Wed Mar 4 23:57:28 2009 From: benomakori at yahoo.com (Benard Makori) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Teacher's Strike is justified!! In-Reply-To: <530034.31910.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <530034.31910.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <309636.32191.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I will do it the way you said because you are the boss. ________________________________ From: Lilian Adhiambo To: An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange. Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:14:25 AM Subject: Re: [Jambo] Teacher's Strike is justified!! Hi Hillary, Can you please resend me the email entitled "Real Facts". Sorry, I pressed the delete button by mistake when I wanted to forward it to my friends. I found it very true and exciting. Thanks, Lillian. --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Hillary Mkabana wrote: > From: Hillary Mkabana > Subject: [Jambo] Teacher's Strike is justified!! > To: Jambo at publiceyesite.org > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 3:30 AM > Teacher's Strike is justified!! > >? > >? > >? > >? _____? > > ??? > > ??? > > ??? ??? > ??? ??? In fact, they need de-stress / hardship allowance! > > ??? > > ??? > > > Hi, Guys > >? > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 01:52:11 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:52:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Not so common with my tribe! Message-ID: <839997.74359.qm@web38704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its not that I am defending my tribe-men or that I am trying to imply that they are better than the women. The point I am trying to make is that my tribe-men-are not in record as whiners! That is why when you come across a man whinning, you find yourself totally confused1 Today, a couple went through my register.The husband started arguing with his wife in connection with one item over the other one. Boy! the guy kept on whinning until it became annowing! During the entire drama, the wife remained cool to my admiration! Any time you come across a man whinning, please remind them that they look bad. Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From shoutpeople at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 10:36:49 2009 From: shoutpeople at gmail.com (People Foundation) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:36:49 -0600 Subject: [Jambo] Fwd: WHAT SECRETS? AND WHY SECRECY? Message-ID: <753cec990903050736v1f2333e1s35468e0062be83ed@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: People Foundation Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM Subject: WHAT SECRETS? AND WHY SECRECY To: president at statehousekenya.go.ke WHAT SECRETS? AND WHY SECRECY? Security intelligence is the only piece of information that would be classified as government secrets. President Kibaki defines malpractices with impunity as government secrets. The secret Mwai is talking about is the recent past behavior by his ministers trading of brickbats over perceived malpractices in their ministries. ( http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1144007489&cid=4&). For example, we have seen Martha Karua clash with the perpetrators of impunity such as William Ruto over the maize scandal; Kiraitu Murungi over the Oil and Gas scandal; Noah Wekesa was dinged for sharing the minutes of a meeting with his constituents. We were so shocked to see Mwai upset by such trivial matters when the country as whole is languishing in dire need for the basics. Since Mwai does not talk to anyone, elected leaders have the obligation to share information with their constituents as they receive it. Mwai is consistently silent on everything important. He was rebuked for his silence this week by the UN Special Rapporteur Philip Alston. The UN special envoy stated Mr. Kibaki?s silence on important issues is highly conspicuous and problematic. We cannot agree with him more. We wonder why he was not asked to step down. Majority of Kenyans are of the opinion that their lives would be better without Mwai and Raila on the top of leadership hierarchy. We have a body in state house that resembles a zombie or cadaver; totally oblivious of the state and plight of the suffering Kenyans. We need a live body in state house. This lack of leadership cannot be tolerated anymore. Raila does not provide an alternative either; He is all about serving his ego. At this moment, Kenyans do not know the direction of our country. The President is supposed to set the vision for the country. Forget about vision 2030, which is not the vision we are talking about here. With vision 2030, people are still dying of hunger, starvation and disease. Vision 2030 is supposed to be an operational exotic document. Right now, we need common sense leadership that espouses common sense policies for alleviating the people from the current state of despondency and despair. We thought Prof Saitoti could deploy his mathematical skills and develop some cutting edge actuarial models to manage the dynamic security of our nation. What a shame that no effort is being made to address the current state and practice of impunity. Let Mwai know that we stand with those leaders that are highlighting the gross malpractices in his administration. There are no such secrets. Bring it on. We are compiling our score card. 2012, you will all receive what you deserve from the Kenyan people. Who knows, may be sooner. 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Because I had not seen or heard of the devil in the details! As if my work was not appreciated, the manager said something that opened my eyes and got me into thinking, not so much about the cashier work, but on my spiritual life! Here is the rest of the story! "Management wants you to know that you had 237 errors during the said period," she said to my great surprise! "You are allowed to make 113 mistakes and no more!," she further remarked. Am I complaining? By no means! I am trying to make a point? What point? Note the following: -I have been with the store since September 30th, 2008; not all that long -In just one month, I had 27 thousand entries, way a head of all the other cashiers -I made only 237 errors out of all the entries. But so that you can understand, there are 2 keys that one can not, but use them daily-the delete key and the error collect key. These keys are used when a cashier enters a wrong entry, a cashier wants to change the price or a customer complains of a price! And what was their advice? I was asked to slow down. Furthermore, I was told that this has gone into my records! Amazing! In the end, 2 things hit me hard: Here they are! -The store cares less of working faster and more on avoiding mistakes. I then thought of Mathew 7:21-23. In this passage, the Lord states that many will be left out at His coming! Why? Because they did not bother to pay attention to the details! Very important and interesting indeed! -In heaven, there are records; records of all that we did while on earth. While here, we can argue and justify ourselves, but not so in the presence of the Lord of the universe! So my dear friends, as we journey on, let us not loose sight of the two. You and I will do well to remember. I sure want to pay attention to the details of our salvation. How about you? Just a thought. 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[Read More ] TOP LAST MONTH Negotiation Skills 10 Steps to Change and Develop Yourself Marketing: Learning from the World Best -- If you do not want to receive any more newsletters, http://smartbiznewletters.com/?p=unsubscribe&uid=9705d19df4c4f08845dd3da4201ab64f To update your preferences and to unsubscribe visit http://smartbiznewletters.com/?p=preferences&uid=9705d19df4c4f08845dd3da4201ab64f Forward a Message to Someone http://smartbiznewletters.com/?p=forward&uid=9705d19df4c4f08845dd3da4201ab64f&mid=81 -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: powerphplist.png Type: image/png Size: 2408 bytes Desc: not available URL: From douglassmichoma at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 11:07:24 2009 From: douglassmichoma at yahoo.com (Michoma Moenga) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Obama: CNBC Predictions - Watch!! Message-ID: <309532.67914.qm@web90605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.dailykostv.com/w/000949/?Check this out as Comedy Central's Jon Stewart gives a running critique of CNBC's Rick Santelli et al and their claim of being the only network with the "knowledge and experience that you need." See CNBC's predictions on Bear Stearns, Merril Lynch, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Bank of America, Wachovia, Sir Allen Stanford etc etc.? ?http://www.dailykostv.com/w/000949/ ? Thanks. Michoma Moenga -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Thu Mar 5 12:35:06 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] KENYAN COLD CASES Message-ID: Wanainchi, Last week I had an opportunity to meet this enteprising Attorney who is interested in assisting Kenyans in the USA. Please help me deliver his request to dig-up all the Kenya-Cold-Case files that have been brought to us here in our forums. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: James Shaw [mailto:jshaw379 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: dickens.odhiambo at gmsi.com Subject: Kenyan Cold cases Good evening Mr. Odhiambo, My name is Brandon Shaw. I met you last Friday at Haydee's Restaurant. I was the attorney with George Wajackoyah. You asked me to contact you regarding two other Kenyans who had been murdered in DC/Baltimore. Therefore, I would like to speak with you in order to find out more information on these open cases (in order to provide assistance to the families/Kenyan community) of the deceased young men. My contact information is listed below. I look forward to speaking with you. Regards, J. Brandon Shaw Shaw & Associates, PC 7600 Georgia Avenue, NW Suite 217 Washington, DC 20012 Office : 202-722-4200 Cell: 202-520-2454 _____ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beershara at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 13:10:52 2009 From: beershara at yahoo.com (Ndede, Migot) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:10:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Where is KNCHR now that mungiki is paralysing our transports In-Reply-To: <834316.80957.qm@web65414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294765.14468.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The writing below was by OULU GPO on Thu, 3/5/09. If he is shot then it is not accidental. It must be orchestrated that is all I can say. What is going on in the Country? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Oulu Paul O. wrote: From: Oulu Paul O. Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Where is KNCHR now that mungiki is paralysing our transports To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:57 AM Fellow citizens, ?Allow me to address you as follows;That it is unfortunate that most of you are yet to understand the meaning of the words Government and Governance.That many of you have decided to donate your noble thinking and reasoning to be informed by what you hear not what you know.Good people, it is the duty of the government through police force to protect lives and property; to do so to all citizens regardless of their economic, regional, religious or whatsoever affiliation.It is the duty of the other hand of the Civil Societies to protect all citizens from the excesses of the government. When the government shows that it can not detect and prosecute crime, citizens should not run and blame the Civil Societies.We pay taxes to the government of Kenya and not to Civil Societies or KNCHR. A government that can not protect her people has no mandate to be in power.Let it be known that there is no instance in which KNCHR or any other Civil Society deterred the police or security agents from arresting and arraigning any suspected criminal in court.There are no instances where any civil society has advocated that criminals be not punished. What they have said is that someone in power, some police somewhere should not take advantage of crime to kill and maim, to rob and extort, to intimidate and torture; that is what should be known to all of you in this forum.KNCHR is not a Mungiki organization; it serves the interest of all Kenyans. It is time that we changed our shallow analysis and quick emotional expressions on issues of generational and national significance. The police have heavily invested in Media Strategy whereby they can afford public support as they advance in impunity. Arresting people, extorting them and killing them is not and will never be the primary terms of reference of the police force and when they involve themselves in such offence, it would be in the interest of the public to see beyond a mere inconveniency in transport sector that may after all turn out to be stage managed by the same police force and government.We need to look beyond what is presented to us; why don?t we wonder that the anti Prof. Alston demonstrations across the country were not licensed yet they went on undisrupted? Because the govt. wanted to buy your support; and indeed it got it.The police should tell us of the number of arrests and prosecution that they will make out of today?s mayhem. After all, we employ police to protect us not to complain of an outlawed group. They should therefore show us the efforts they are undertaking to protect us, not pointing fingers and showering blames.So be informed and transform your thoughts and approach to isuues.OULU GPO ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at africanexecutive.com Wed Mar 4 01:39:33 2009 From: editor at africanexecutive.com (The Editor) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:39:33 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] The African Executive Issue 202 Message-ID: <9725117fb862dbbf923755b67e075d4d@localhost.localdomain> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grnyongesa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 23:26:36 2009 From: grnyongesa at yahoo.com (George Nyongesa) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:26:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] More on the Oscar Foundation, created by Oscar Kamau King'ara Message-ID: <312039.54856.qm@web51703.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Born in 1971, Oscar is survived by his wife, Nancy Wangeci Munene, and two daughters, Natalie and Naima. A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE OSCAR FOUNDATION http://oscarfound.org/ 1998: The Oscar Foundation Free Legal Aid Clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) Project office was opened in Nairobi to promote legal literacy in Kenya amongst the poor vulnerable communities such as orphans, widows, PLWHA (People Living with HIV and AIDS) 1999: The Oscar Foundation free Legal Aid Clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) became the first charitable/not for profit organization to offer legal aid on HIV/AIDS vis a vis Human Rights. ? ? Oscar foundation Free Aid legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) led campaigns aimed at persuading the government of Kenya to domesticating the convention on the rights of the child that saw the enactment of the children act 2001. 2000: The Oscar foundation free legal aid clinic Kenya(OFFLACK)through its mobile legal aid access to justice project became the first not- for-profit organization to provide legal aid and rescue service to defiled children and all other sexual offences with a 24 hour rapid response help lines 0900-555 999 or 0900-332 366 and cell 0722-525390 and website www.oscafound.org ? ?1. The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) became the first not for profit organization to translate the constitution of Kenya into a layman?s language both in Kiswahili and English and recorded the same into audio tapes. ? ?2. The Oscar foundation free legal aid clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) launched awareness campaigns aimed at eradicating stigma and discrimination amongst PLWHA at the community level; and work places . ? ?3. The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) trained 4000 paralegals that formed local project advisory groups (LPAG?S) charged with responsibilities of advising poor masses on legal issues at the community level. 2003: The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) formulated the first ever pauper application forms that enable the poor access justice by filling complaints forms in courts of law to hold the perpetrators ?of human right abuses accountable ?at no fee (accessible atwww.oscafound.org 2004: The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) in partnership with national aids control council, KENWA, KANCO, pathfinder international and Christian children fund (CCF) produced the first ever training manual, field guide and resource material on HIV/AIDS and legal implications. 2004: The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) assisted in formulating the national Aids control council strategic plan for 2005/6-8/9 on human rights vis a vis legal implications 2005: By realizing the gaps in our legal systems, The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) produced a PROTOCOL for people living with HIV/AIDS in Kenya accessible at www.oscarfound.org 2006: The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) formulated workplace clinics vis a vis HIV/AID for various companies such as St John's community center, NAS, KENCHIC, batteries manufactures etc. ? ?1. The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) research and documentation department released several reports ?such as police accountability and prison conditions in Kenya (accessible atwww.oscafound.org ? ?2. The Oscar foundation free legal clinic Kenya (OFFLACK) monitoring and evaluating department has launched a report evaluating the ?NARC administration vis a vis ?election pledge 2007: The Oscar foundation sued the electoral commission for not observing the rule of law. The violation of the constitution led to the violence in the wake of the disputed 2007 presidential elections. 2007: The Oscar foundation monitored and documented a report on the disputed 2007 presidential election. 2007: 24th May 2007, Oscar foundation acquired a permit to own a digital Radio and Tv station. 2007: Oscar foundation file in the High court of Kenya election petition No. 1216/07 challenging the Electoral commission of Kenya for conducting the past general election in flagrant contravention of the constitution of Kenya especially sector 5(3) (a) and (b) 8 section of Kenya 1,14 ,70 and 82 of our supreme laws. 2007: Oscar foundation monitored and documented a report on the disputed 2007 presidential election. 2008: Oscar foundation registered offices in the united state of America and the United Kingdom (London) 2008: Oscar foundation released a report on extra judicial execution in Kenya: "The veil of impunity ? who is guilty?? 2008: Oscar foundation petitioned the United nation Commission For Human Rights to investigate cases of disappearance and extra judicial execution in Kenya. 2008: Oscar foundation launched a mobile legal Aid clinic in Kenya aimed in assisted the poor access justice at the community level. 2008: Oscar foundation pioneered a comprehensive register of the IDP?s in Kenya and documented the effect the post election violence in Kenya to [people and property. 2008: Oscar foundation ilaunched a documentary dubbed the ?sad reflection? 2008: Oscar Foundation hosted SOWED programme - an advocacy organizaation for the rights of the child in Rift Valley and Kajiado district OFFLACK has supported and donated to the government of Kenya Prison Department Ksh 250million aimed at controlling vector borne diseases in all the 93 Penal Institutions in Kenya _______________________________________________ KPTJ-communications mailing list KPTJ-communications at fahamu.org http://lists.fahamu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kptj-communications --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 53589 bytes Desc: ATT00013.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 34797 bytes Desc: ATT00003.jpg URL: From info at mapambano.com Fri Mar 6 05:31:33 2009 From: info at mapambano.com (Info Mapambano) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:31:33 +0100 Subject: [Jambo] Raila Odinga's Stolen Presidency Book Review Message-ID: <6bb967790903060231v3554a8c6k91aff1f763012a30@mail.gmail.com> RAILA ODINGA?S STOLEN PRESIDENCY: Consequences And The Future Of Kenya By Mr. Okoth Osewe * Publisher: iVisby AB, Sweden Pages: 464, Paper back ISBN: 978-91-633-3972-1 Copyright: Okoth Osewe 2008 Reviewer: Per Lindgren* An explosive book about Kenya?s December 2007 bungled election has been launched in Stockholm. The book, Raila Odinga?s Stolen Presidency: Consequences and The Future of Kenya written by Mr. Okoth Osewe, a Kenyan author, takes the position that the December 2007 election was rigged by the Samuel Kivuitu-led Electoral Commission of Kenya (ECK) in favor of Mr. Mwai Kibaki who was immediately sworn in as President in a hurriedly convened secret ceremony at State House Nairobi on Sunday December 30th 2007. The disputed election precipitated a crisis that led to the slaughter of an estimated 1,500 Kenyans and creation of 350,000 internal refugees. According to the book, the rigging of presidential election in Kenya was masterminded by the corrupt ?Kikuyu ruling class? that had formed an impenetrable Mafia cartel around Kibaki and that worked in cahoots with ECK to allegedly steal the vote to hand Kibaki victory. Detailed backgrounds of a group of ?Fat cats who kidnapped Kibaki?s Presidency? are given in the book with top names featuring Dr. Joe Wanjui, a long time Kibaki ally, Kiraitu Murungi, Minister of Energy, John Michuki, Minister of Environment, Chris Murungaru, former Internal Security Minister, Francis Muthaura, Head of Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet and Njenga Karume, former Defence minister. The ?fat cats? are painted as corrupt and blamed for having shielded the President soon after the December 2002 election in order to maintain Kikuyu hegemony on power, promote corruption and perpetuate tribalism in government. Using figures of Election returns from ECK and other sources, Mr. Osewe puts together a formidable compilation and analysis of statistics to isolate 473,835 votes that were allegedly added to Kibaki to give him victory with 4,584,721 votes over Raila?s 4,352,993 votes. Names of ECK officials who were active at Kenyatta International Conference Center where the tallying was taking place, together with numbers of their IDs and cell phones are included in the compilation to advance the theory that the election rigging was an exercise that was masterminded by known people who knew what they were doing and who were acting under clear instructions. International observers cast aspersions on the credibility of results because of serious irregularities during the tallying process especially at KICC. The volume of a book, (464 pages long) claims that the Kikuyu ruling class used ECK to rig elections because they were looting the country?s economy and plundering it?s resources through corruption and that if they lost power under the circumstances, they were bound to lose the benefits of having their man at State House with unforeseen consequences. ?Raila was set to take over power after defeating Kibaki and given the evidence on corruption that existed both at the official level and in the public domain, a driving motive that could have led Kikuyu ruling class to rig elections must have been the strong fear of prosecutions on corruption related scandals as promised by ODM in its Election Manifesto?, the book says. *US government wanted to keep Raila Odinga out of power* Taking the unequivocal position that Raila won the vote, the book details reasons why PNU, Kibaki?s Party, was floored at the polls. The book says that millions of Kenyan voters had become tired with a wealth-grabbing Kikuyu ruling class that was perpetuating tribalism through organized ?Kikuyunization of government? as the masses of the Kenyan people went without food, died of treatable diseases and suffered under high inflation occasioned by run-away prices of consumer commodities. According to the book, Kibaki was not in a position to deliver on key election promises like ending corruption because corruption is part of the system of capitalism that the Narc government inherited from Moi. The book says that Kibaki could not end tribalism either because Narc, his Party, was ideologically bankrupt and therefore ill equipped to end tribalism. Mr. Osewe argues that nobody will ever end tribalism in Kenya as long as there is no alternative to it which, he says, is class based politics. Although the book says that ODM had no better political alternative to Kibaki?s PNU, it argues that Kenyans voted for ODM because of multiple illusions that had been built in the minds of Kenyans that ODM was better than PNU. In reality, the book says that the two parties are ideologically similar because they both practice politics from the point of view of ?deformed capitalism? while they both support unworkable policies of Western imperialism which, the book says, are also responsible for the deep economic crisis Kenya has been plunged in for decades. Within the mix of Raila Odinga?s stolen Presidency, the United States government is singled out as having had a strong interest in keeping Raila away from power because the Bush Administration was apparently uncomfortable with Raila. A deep analysis is rendered in the book to explain why the US government congratulated Kibaki soon after the vote was rigged at KICC. For example, the book says that Raila made a big strategic mistake in signing a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Kenyan Muslims to the effect that no Muslim would be taken to Guantanamo for interrogation and torture if he took power because in so doing, Raila was undermining US foreign policy and complicating US government?s self declared war on terror. This mistake, the book says, made the US government uncomfortable because Kenya ?is a political play ground? of the US government and other European powers. ?Raila?s deal with Kenyan Muslims amounted to drawing the boundary as to what the US government could and could not do in Kenya. The message Raila was sending in the name of capturing the Muslim vote was that once he became President, Kenya would no longer be a puppet of the United States, especially on its war against terrorism?, the book says. The author?s view is that the ODM victory at the ballot represented a ?generational revolt that could topple imperialist status quo? in Kenya while it also says that if Raila took power, there was ?possible ideological challenges to imperialism? by new anti-imperialist Parties and movements that could spring up in Kenya by exploiting the democratic space that a Raila Presidency was bound to open. According to Mr. Osewe, the US government was comfortable with Kibaki, the Devil it knew and not Raila, the Angel it didn?t know. *The Kriegler Report was a distortion of Kenyan history* In his attempt to ?demolish the concept that the 2007 election was not rigged in favor of Kibaki?, Mr. Osewe attacks the Kriegler Commission that investigated the conduct of the election and takes the view that the ?Kriegler Report? (which concluded that the winner of the Presidential election could not be determined) was ?a distortion of Kenyan history? and an insult to the intelligence of millions of Kenyan truth seekers. The book says that the Kriegler Report is dubious because it only investigated ten of the fourty eight disputed constituencies; it never interviewed key returning officers in areas of serious dispute, it kept alternative rebuttals from Civil society organizations away; it invited dubious people to give ?acceptable views?; it ignored opposing views from certain dissenting Commissioners while it never examined all available data on election rigging despite having had access to this data. The book proceeds to present missing data in the Kriegler Report from 37 Constituencies which Mr Osewe analyses to expose rigging and to argue that the Kriegler Commission cheated Kenyans because it had a pre-determined conclusion following the signing of the National Accord and Reconciliation Act 2008. The Commission is accused of violating known methods of scientific inquiry after setting its own rules to produce a skewed Report because it had a set agenda to serve internal and external interests. "Although the Kriegler Report was accepted because of political expediency, it is a major distortion of Kenyan history, a drawback to the country?s democratization process, an insult to the intelligence of millions of Kenyans and a further exposure of the ongoing conspiracy between the Kenyan ruling class and Imperialism for the sake of ?peace and continuity? that alone, can guarantee a peaceful exploitation of the country?s resources by local and international wealth grabbers", the book states. The book also delves into the consequences of election rigging notably the resurfacing of the thorny land question which, the book says, has never been resolved since Kenya?s ?flag independence? in 1963. According to the author, the land question has never been tackled because top politicians who have been holding power and their foreign backers have been the leading land grabbers who will never address the problem of landlessness because of vested interests. In tackling the problem of landlessness, the book says that it ?will not just mean a shift in government policy but a radical ideological change opposed to the free market system of government that has converted land into a commodity for sale and allowed a few fat cats to own vast pieces of land when millions of Kenyans are landless?. *Kenya: The myth of peace in a conflict zone* Compared to its neighbors, the popular view is that Kenya has been relatively peaceful. In the book, Mr. Osewe challenges what he calls ?The myth of peace in a conflict zone? and advances the view that behind the much touted peace occasioned by lack of military conflicts, Kenya is the epicenter of multiple social conflicts and contradictions which exploded following the stealing of Raila?s Presidency. "The battle that has been raging in Kenya and that rarely finds effective expression in the world media is the battle between the rich and the poor, the ?haves? and the ?have nots,? the exploited and the exploiter, the powerful and the powerless, the wealth grabbers and the robbed, the bellyful wanabenzi [Benz drivers] and the hungry, the millionaire tycoons and the beggars in the streets, those with food on the table and those starving, the business community and the paupers, the fat land grabbers and the landless, the tiny wealthy ruling class and the army of unemployed youth", the book says before giving a pessimistic perspective of the future. ?The truth is that the peace being trumpeted in this context has been an artificial peace because conditions for peace have not been in existence in Kenya for decades and this is how the situation will remain if key issues that led to the election of ODM are not addressed either by present or future governments?, says Mr. Osewe. The book, whose launch in Kenya is in the pipeline, concludes with a perspective of Kenyan politics. It lists a range of issues that the Coalition government will and will not be able to address during its life while it also attempts to define the political direction of the country in the run up to next elections. Throughout his presentation, Mr. Osewe?s style of analysis betrays a clear leftist inclination as he challenges basic concepts of free market in Kenya and ?imperialist control? of the country?s politics, economy and culture. Although the author avoids the use of Marxist jargon in his formulations, he leaves the informed reader with little doubt about his ideological standpoint as a contemporary Kenyan leftist thinker and writer. While the book blames politicians for being responsible for the country?s malaise, it attempts to shift attention to the political system which, it argues, needs to be changed because, according to the book, it is this system that allows politicians to run down the country and prompt them to rig elections when they are on the verge of losing the vote. The book is available for purchase at www.mapambano.com while it is also selling in designated book stores across the world. Information is also available at Mr. Osewe?s official blog at www.kenyastockholm.com. *Per Lindgren Perlindgren78 at gmail.com 4th March 2009* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From truhena at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 06:17:35 2009 From: truhena at yahoo.com (Truphena O. Awuor) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder Message-ID: <217014.56944.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My condolence to the families. But seriously this has to be sorted out once and for all, we cant continue seeing innocent people dying in the hands of so called police, we do appreciate what some policemen do and as Kiraithe says the use of "lethal force" was "unprofessional and uncalled for". He said the concerned officers would be investigated and the results made public. i want to believe that this is true as we can all recall when the same Kiraithe said that the killings we all saw on TV of those guys of Kisumu during the post election violence was a camera trick then wat else cant he say?, This is a shame, its painful for the loss and its annoying, how can i be secure that police are guarding me knowing that anytime one can just unleash a bullet on me. The other thing is they way they say it ati students and the police had a confrontation btwn them regarding the bodies, ok now the police wanted to take the bodies and take to the morgue or wanted to do wat with the bodies, my question is Why were the police so concerned in taking the bodies away after shooting? is it to remove the bullets from them or hide, or wat, these are things i jst cant understand, anyway YP's lets keep praying, for God to help this country of ours, n more so for truth and peace to prevail and soften our hearts in this time God bless you all Tru --- On Thu, 3/5/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:55 PM I did not watch that show. But I saw him on Louis Otieno Live. Oto --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Florence Amukhale wrote: From: Florence Amukhale Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:15 AM Was this the guy who was being interviewed by Jeff Koinange early this week on Capital talk? I happened to watch the show. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM, odhiambo okecth wrote: I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I had no answer,fortunately another doctor who had just walked in said, actually and to be sincere,mungiki is me and you. Kenyans are the mungiki and without kenyans there is no mungiki. The problem with kenyans is that,they show love and hate in equal magnitude and direction to the same thing at the same time. Your husband/wife loves you as much as he/she hates you. To end mungiki it begins somewhere,and that is kenyans must go!! I smiled on my bed and realised i was strong and feeling better. I left hospital at 11pm. Wherever you are YPs and whatever you do,remember to smile coz it helps you maintain the focus. Enjoy your weekend. -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From doreeneverlyn at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 08:14:11 2009 From: doreeneverlyn at yahoo.com (doreen everlyn) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Fw: [YP_Ke] Re: Where is KNCHR now that mungiki is paralysing our transports Message-ID: <323433.8880.qm@web39702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi dear ones, Is there any one who knows where G.P.O's body is lying i just want to go confirm that for sure he is dead because i still cant believe that i have lost him. I dont care whether he was Mungiki or What He was all i know is that he is more than a brother to me. He is somebody's son. i wish they would have investigated the matter before spraying them with bullets. Please lets pray for the families of? those who have died in the hands of? police, Mungiki, Sungu Sungu and all those ones who have been killed innocently since they were not tried we cant tell wether they were guilty or innocent. Please Pray for G.P.O'S AILLING MOTHER IT'S SUCH A BIG BLOW TO THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS, FRIENDS AND RELATIVES IT'S A TRYING MOMENT FOR US. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Oulu Paul O. wrote: From: Oulu Paul O. Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Where is KNCHR now that mungiki is paralysing our transports To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:57 AM Fellow citizens, ?Allow me to address you as follows;That it is unfortunate that most of you are yet to understand the meaning of the words Government and Governance.That many of you have decided to donate your noble thinking and reasoning to be informed by what you hear not what you know.Good people, it is the duty of the government through police force to protect lives and property; to do so to all citizens regardless of their economic, regional, religious or whatsoever affiliation.It is the duty of the other hand of the Civil Societies to protect all citizens from the excesses of the government. When the government shows that it can not detect and prosecute crime, citizens should not run and blame the Civil Societies.We pay taxes to the government of Kenya and not to Civil Societies or KNCHR. A government that can not protect her people has no mandate to be in power.Let it be known that there is no instance in which KNCHR or any other Civil Society deterred the police or security agents from arresting and arraigning any suspected criminal in court.There are no instances where any civil society has advocated that criminals be not punished. What they have said is that someone in power, some police somewhere should not take advantage of crime to kill and maim, to rob and extort, to intimidate and torture; that is what should be known to all of you in this forum.KNCHR is not a Mungiki organization; it serves the interest of all Kenyans. It is time that we changed our shallow analysis and quick emotional expressions on issues of generational and national significance. The police have heavily invested in Media Strategy whereby they can afford public support as they advance in impunity. Arresting people, extorting them and killing them is not and will never be the primary terms of reference of the police force and when they involve themselves in such offence, it would be in the interest of the public to see beyond a mere inconveniency in transport sector that may after all turn out to be stage managed by the same police force and government.We need to look beyond what is presented to us; why don?t we wonder that the anti Prof. Alston demonstrations across the country were not licensed yet they went on undisrupted? Because the govt. wanted to buy your support; and indeed it got it.The police should tell us of the number of arrests and prosecution that they will make out of today?s mayhem. After all, we employ police to protect us not to complain of an outlawed group. They should therefore show us the efforts they are undertaking to protect us, not pointing fingers and showering blames.So be informed and transform your thoughts and approach to isuues.OULU GPO ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Fri Mar 6 10:36:23 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:36:23 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] PM Raila's statement : THE MURDER OF OSCAR FOUNDATION EXECUTIVE D IRECTOR: Message-ID: PRIME MINISTER RT HON RAILA ODINGA?S STATEMENT ON THE MURDER OF OSCAR FOUNDATION EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Mar 6th, 2009 by Mars Group MARCH 6, 2009. Over the years, dating back to the pre-independence days and after, civil society activists have contributed tremendously to the liberation of Kenya, whether that liberation was from the colonial rule or the dark terror of one party state that was to engulf this country years later. In fact, when politics got confined to those who supported the status quo and the academia was silenced through reprisals and detention in the 1970s all the way to the 1980s, civil society activists became the last standing soldiers in the battle to create a Kenya where human rights; including freedom of speech and freedom of association are respected. Today, Kenyans owe the freedom they have to the activists who risked their lives and stood up to demand freedom of speech, movement and association at a time those supportive of the status quo wanted everyone to be silent. It is in recognition of this historical role, and my belief in the sanctity of life, the freedom of thought and freedom of expression that I wish to condemn unreservedly the cold-blooded murder of the Oscar Foundation Executive Director Mr Kamau King?ara and the Foundation?s Programmes Co-coordinator Mr Paul Oulu, last evening. This act of heartlessness and lawlessness, murder most foul, came only hours after Dr Alfred Mutua, in the name of the government, accused the Oscar Foundation of fundraising abroad to support Mungiki activities locally. I wish to state to the people of Kenya that Dr Mutua does not speak for the Grand Coalition Government. The Grand Coalition Government was founded on the principle of consultation. Whatever goes out as a government position must have been discussed by the parties and agreed on before it is announced. There is no such agreement that the Oscar Foundation was raising money for Mungiki. It gets even more bizarre when that announcement is followed by murder. I extend great sympathies to the families and friends of these murdered officials and all the civil society fraternity. Life is sacred and whatever the crime one has committed, no one deserves to die unless a credible court process decides so. Since police are suspects in these killings, it is necessary to have and independent agency to carry out investigations into this murder. We therefore want to appeal to friends of Kenya locally and abroad to help in unraveling this murder and help bring perpetrators to justice. Kenya has too many of unaccounted for murders that we are still struggling to unravel. We do not want to add to that growing list. This murder comes only days after the UN rappoteur unearthed disturbing incidents of extra-judicial killing in the country. It is worrying and I fear that we are flirting with lawlessness in the name of keeping law and order. In the process, we are hurtling towards failure as a state. I appeal to the UN, the US and EU and all other friends of Kenya to help unravel this murder. In the meantime, I appeal to Kenyans, all Kenyans to remain calm as we seek to unravel this. Rt. Hon Raila A. Odinga. Prime Minister. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LAW OF ENCOUNTERS: The probability of meeting someone you know increases when you are with someone you don't want to be seen with. LAW OF THE RESULT: When you try to prove to someone that a machine won't work, it will! LAW OF BIOMECHANICS: The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the reach. THEATRE RULE: People with the seats at the furthest from the aisle arrive last. LAW OF COFFEE: As soon as you sit down for a cup of hot coffee, your boss will ask you to do something which will last until the coffee is cold. Have a great afternoon! _____ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From lynwamb2222 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 00:14:02 2009 From: lynwamb2222 at yahoo.com (Lilian wambua) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:14:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <3de4cae40903042048o77a0f1c6t5c2c3649e51844d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <984334.9578.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. ? regards lynne. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: From: James mwenda Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no purpose in?modern living! ? As a chick, is dowry a must for you? ? Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? ? 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URL: From isaac.kiplagat at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 00:28:33 2009 From: isaac.kiplagat at gmail.com (Isaac Kiplagat) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:28:33 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <984334.9578.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3de4cae40903042048o77a0f1c6t5c2c3649e51844d3@mail.gmail.com> <984334.9578.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in?modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mkivanda at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 00:51:11 2009 From: mkivanda at yahoo.com (mercy kivanda) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:51:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66624.55833.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is our Culture as Kenyans? that in most communities Dowry should be paid,why should we discard this culture that has been in our tradition as long as i can remember?Do you know dowry lets the families meet(both sides)get to know each other and bind themselves in an agreement that will be treasured for a long time,Don't joke with Dowry,its just NOT about money but also knowing each other as well as appreciating both parents and the lady,I would never want my spouse to take me for granted,nor i take him for granted cos he did not Pay MAHARI.It also brings mutual respect.Enough said,lets preserve our Culture before we throw everything to the Western ways! --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:28 PM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in?modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercyck3 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 01:24:48 2009 From: mercyck3 at yahoo.com (mercy kirui) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given to her parents to show appreciation.iam for......dowry --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in?modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From termikachiggai at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 01:59:08 2009 From: termikachiggai at yahoo.com (Harriet Chiggai) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:59:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109634.63275.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Kip, U forgot your number. ? well dowry is more like a token of love . In some communities its more of respect to the girls parents . Its viewed as a way of thanking her parents for bringing her up? Its also how far you can go to get a wife for yourself so men dont materialise dowry. ? Guys have you ever wondered why marriages dont last nowardays? its coz most people have decided to go the western way overlooking our african culture....) ? On the other hand the two of you can agree in the mode of payment and what to pay(ladies dont contribute its a taboo) am just kidding ? Anyways men dont look at dowry as a mode of buying your wife to be,,,, how far can you go to get that woman? and you know most parents put it as a test.... ? --- On Wed, 3/4/09, mercy kirui wrote: From: mercy kirui Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:24 PM dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given to her parents to show appreciation.iam for......dowry --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerusy at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 02:05:11 2009 From: kerusy at gmail.com (cate kerubo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:05:11 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dowry is outdated, and in a way, it is demeaning to the ladies!!!!! I wont allow anyone to pay dowry ati ndio anioe!!! You marry me, don't pay! N we live happily, fine! On 3/5/09, mercy kirui wrote: > dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given > to her parents > to show appreciation.iam for......dowry > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: > > From: Isaac Kiplagat > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM > > Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but > this is to clarify ) > Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this > people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need > to be rewarded havily > 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day > and devorce tomorow. > 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a > beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? > me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? > > On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: >> hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree >> with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a > token >> of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for >> raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. >> >> regards >> lynne. >> >> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: >> >> From: James mwenda >> Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY >> To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM >> >> >> >> Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no >> purpose in?modern living! >> >> As a chick, is dowry a must for you? >> >> Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? >> >> Regards >> Mwenda James. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From hdzila at easternproduce.co.ke Thu Mar 5 02:21:21 2009 From: hdzila at easternproduce.co.ke (Hussein Dzila) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:21:21 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D9F0882420BBC40A6E894F7760F1CEC013C9A06@epkserver.easternproduce.co.ke> Mercy, Hapo umeongea facts, coz if we talk of a price, then very few can afford & those few are not in YP. But just to show some form of appreciation we pay dowry. And there are set forms /items to be paid as dowry depending on different traditions. As much as it has been commercialized, u can get the truth from the community elderz. But hata wewe surely kama hutaki kulipa, how do you (as a couple) feel? Regards, Hussein. ________________________________ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mercy kirui Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:25 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given to her parents to show appreciation.iam for......dowry --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerusy at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:55:19 2009 From: kerusy at gmail.com (cate kerubo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:55:19 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <7ebrtm$pe42c@mailbk.accesskenya.com> References: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7ebrtm$pe42c@mailbk.accesskenya.com> Message-ID: Hey, no one is proposing to another here, but we av go give our views! Ladies, come on, no one can buy you, you are worth much more important than you even know, u r unaffordable! If its about appreciation, then the man needs to be appreciated too. N if its about goin to the man's family, come on, i get married, stay with ma huzy in Nai, so am not at his family, n hes also left his family. N again, if my family needs me, am there 4 them any time! Ati they took too much care of me, n my boyfie was taken care of, so .... Leave thos outdated things to those old people, and we need to make them see the light. The fact dat ur mama went to the river to look 4 water dazent mean u got to carry a pot on ur head to nairobi river 4 water! Get it in ur tap in d hao! I love u all!!! Hahahah. On 3/5/09, Bernice Awuor wrote: > > James, > Can you propose to Cate!! just give her romantic vibes and your done. > But for chics like us, sorry dude you have to pay!!! no free > vidangaz!!!! pay till you die. > > At 10:05 AM 3/5/2009, cate kerubo wrote: > >>Dowry is outdated, and in a way, it is demeaning to the ladies!!!!! >>I wont allow anyone to pay dowry ati ndio anioe!!! >>You marry me, don't pay! >>N we live happily, fine! >> >>On 3/5/09, mercy kirui wrote: >> > dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small >> token given >> > to her parents >> > to show appreciation.iam for......dowry >> > >> > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: >> > >> > From: Isaac Kiplagat >> > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY >> > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM >> > >> > Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but >> > this is to clarify ) >> > Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this >> > people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need >> > to be rewarded havily >> > 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day >> > and devorce tomorow. >> > 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a >> > beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? >> > me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date >> > ?? >> > >> > On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: >> >> hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is >> >> agree >> >> with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a >> > token >> >> of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness >> >> for >> >> raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. >> >> >> >> regards >> >> lynne. >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: >> >> >> >> From: James mwenda >> >> Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY >> >> To: "youngprofessionals_ke" >> > >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no >> >> purpose in modern living! >> >> >> >> As a chick, is dowry a must for you? >> >> >> >> Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Mwenda James. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Pay up, pay up, pay up! ________________________________ From: Lilian wambua To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 8:14:02 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. regards lynne. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: From: James mwenda Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no purpose in?modern living! As a chick, is dowry a must for you? Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? Regards Mwenda James. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kimani1 at un.org Thu Mar 5 09:10:12 2009 From: kimani1 at un.org (Anne Kimani) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:10:12 +0200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mwacha mila ni mtumwa. One can still be held hostage by a guy who did not pay and any small thought that he owes his in-laws, even without being asked to pay, he turns sour and bitter you his wife - ever seen such cases? However, I leave it to each and every individual man to decide his fate. Given all the different views in this group does it mean that those who are opposed to paying dowry/being paid for, will marry from communities that do not practice the custom? Just curious and your views out there. I have two boys, by the way - and am thinkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.......................................... eeeeeeh eh!!! Anne Kimani Kigali, Rwanda. Linda.Mulindi at fco .gov.uk Sent by: To youngprofessional youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups. s_ke at googlegroups com .com cc Subject 05/03/2009 01:54 [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY PM Please respond to youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com Mercy I agree with you on the fact that it is our culture and that it does bring together both families. My only problem is when people use this culture to demean others or frustrate others. Your husband may pay dowry and still mistreat you (even moreso because he PAID). I believe it should remain a formality and neither the parents nor the bride and groom take advantage of this culture to demean and frustrate each other. Dowry should be paid as a formality. -----Original Message----- From: mercy kivanda [mailto:mkivanda at yahoo.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 08:51 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY It is our Culture as Kenyans that in most communities Dowry should be paid,why should we discard this culture that has been in our tradition as long as i can remember?Do you know dowry lets the families meet(both sides)get to know each other and bind themselves in an agreement that will be treasured for a long time,Don't joke with Dowry,its just NOT about money but also knowing each other as well as appreciating both parents and the lady,I would never want my spouse to take me for granted,nor i take him for granted cos he did not Pay MAHARI.It also brings mutual respect.Enough said,lets preserve our Culture before we throw everything to the Western ways! --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:28 PM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? 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Martha Karua Weekly Digest Message-ID: <1181166554.38157@wetpaintmail.com> Weekly Digest: Hon. Martha Karua http://marthakarua.wetpaint.com Thank you for being part of Hon. Martha Karua. Top contributor on your wiki: Karua_08 Total number of pages on your wiki: 8 Number of new pages this week: Total membership: 204 Visit your wiki today! http://marthakarua.wetpaint.com _____________________________ You are receiving this Weekly Digest email as part of your Wetpaint membership. To unsubscribe click here: http://marthakarua.wetpaint.com/unsubscribe?email=Jambo at publiceyesite.org&type=stats&verify=7dc14d750029d3eb9d9580422cdb2c69 Wetpaint 710 Second Avenue, Suite 1100, Seattle, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgachau at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 11:48:22 2009 From: fgachau at yahoo.com (francis gachau) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:48:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! References: <109634.63275.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <137031.74016.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Where I come from, dowry never ends and very essential though not demanded openly. I don't know all the steps but am required to when I reach that stage' however I know the father returns any payments received when his daughter divorces hence disqualifies it from being regarded as a token. The daughter has to pay for her own dowry to her own parents if she chooses to remain single. It sounds ridiculous but I think it should remain by all means. ________________________________ From: Harriet Chiggai To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:59:08 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY Hey Kip, U forgot your number. well dowry is more like a token of love . In some communities its more of respect to the girls parents . Its viewed as a way of thanking her parents for bringing her up? Its also how far you can go to get a wife for yourself so men dont materialise dowry. Guys have you ever wondered why marriages dont last nowardays? its coz most people have decided to go the western way overlooking our african culture....) On the other hand the two of you can agree in the mode of payment and what to pay(ladies dont contribute its a taboo) am just kidding Anyways men dont look at dowry as a mode of buying your wife to be,,,, how far can you go to get that woman? and you know most parents put it as a test.... --- On Wed, 3/4/09, mercy kirui wrote: From: mercy kirui Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:24 PM dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given to her parents to show appreciation.iam for......dowry --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Regards, Hussein. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simiyu Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:51 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: An accomplice Shaban and Omondi, I have gone to the bank and with my little business,I have been told that I can qualify for shs 5m unsecured loan with Barclays Bank.Am also planning to check on equity an KCB,Since my business is a service business.I would be able to go underground without a hussle. On Mar 5, 6:27?pm, shabana osman wrote: > Dear Simiyu, > ? > Thats a plot which wont go two steps. > ? > You will acquire the loan if you meet the requirements but then the bank/financial institution will charge the property so thats a dead end!!!!! > ? > Shabana > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Nicholas Omondi wrote: > > From: Nicholas Omondi > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: An accomplice > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:17 AM > > #yiv1907737238 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv1907737238 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > Dear Simiyu, > Kindly note that once you qualify for such credit facility, you are given lien on that property. It means that you will not transfer possession or ownership of the charge title until the loan/mortgage is discharged. > It also means that the creditor will resort to sale of the charged property to cover its interests upon default/ attempt to default/bankruptcy/any other factors that may cause long-term disruption in its income flows. > Over to you. > > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:31:48 -0800 > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: An accomplice > > From: sammy_sim... at yahoo.com > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > > Rutto, > > > Why should i be arrested,Being bankrupt is not a criminal offence. > > > Simiyu > > On Mar 4, 2:47?pm, joseph rutto wrote: > > > I think you should be arrested today without fail.(KACA where are you)You are a potential criminal.With that line of thinking you might die a very poor man. > > > > Just join politics,become un MP and i become the president,i will then give you ministrial duties ?esp in energy or agriculture and the sky of wealth becomes the limit.how about that? > > > > Mzee,take care. > > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:20:30 +0300 > > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: An accomplice > > > > From: jkaigu... at gmail.com > > > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > > > > Simiyu..Simiyu..Simiyu l wonder what your expectations are > > > > > On 3/4/09, esther mwangi wrote: > > > > > Pole sana, > > > > > > Think through your plan very well...It won't work! > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Simiyu > > > > > To: youngprofessionals_ke > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 12:20:50 PM > > > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] An accomplice > > > > > > Am looking for an accomplice,preferably a lady.Since I have been > > > > > working and dont seem to meet my target of owning a house.I have > > > > > devised a way of getting rich easily without sweating.I will take a > > > > > huge loan from several banks and mortgages then transfer the ownership > > > > > to the lady accomplice,After which I would go to the AG to apply for > > > > > Bankruptcy status.So if you are serious,sincere and honesty email me > > > > > direcly to my inbox. > > > > > > Thanks os much in advance. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Drag n' drop-Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live(tm) Photos. > > > >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx-Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From kimani1 at un.org Fri Mar 6 05:13:01 2009 From: kimani1 at un.org (Anne Kimani) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:13:01 +0200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! In-Reply-To: <991123400903060111k7340e39ft4cc027c8047ffda4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: @Gachau. How is the dowry refunded after a divorce? Who will pay the ladies parents again if you have "used" their daughter? Guess the dowry remains for the "services" rendered. During the stay with her, she does not become younger and prettier in order to attract another man for marriage. I would not even consider going to ask for that dowry in the first place. It can be embarrassing. HAIYA EH!!! Just my way of looking at things. Anne Kimani Kigali, Rwanda. "\"Remorque\"" To Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups. youngprofessional com s_ke at googlegroups cc .com Subject [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! 06/03/2009 11:11 AM Please respond to youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, francis gachau wrote: Where I come from, dowry never ends and very essential though not demanded openly. I don't know all the steps but am required to when I reach that stage' however I know the father returns any payments received when his daughter divorces hence disqualifies it from being regarded as a token. Do you also deduct something, upon refund,? for the time the man spent with the lady? :-) The daughter has? to pay for her own? dowry to her own parents? if? she chooses? to? remain? single. It? sounds ridiculous but I think it should remain by all means. Now this is interesting. How do the parents decide what she has to pay? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From muthonikihiu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 06:51:35 2009 From: muthonikihiu at yahoo.com (Annie Kihiu) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:51:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! References: <109634.63275.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <137031.74016.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <991123400903060111k7340e39ft4cc027c8047ffda4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <771365.68535.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> @Odhis, Hata kama unajibuy (direct translation from my mother tongue) the procedure is the same and you have to go thru all the stages just like when a man is paying the dowry for you. It is also negotiable. This is happening too often nowadys among the Kikuyu community for example if: 1. If you have kids (Girls) and they are about to get married. 2. You were married and your hubby had not gone thru some mandatory stages. 3. If you want your parents to "eat" your dowry hata kama uko single - some would consider it a way of getting Blessings from the paros. e.t.c Oooh, and something else which is happenning almost every sato, especially in kiambu is something ladies are calling "kamweretho" whereby unaenda with a group of your friends to say thank you to your parents for all they have done for you since birth, you make merry, dance, eat, and prayers are also held - its actually so much fun! ________________________________ From: Remorque To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 12:11:00 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, francis gachau wrote: Where I come from, dowry never ends and very essential though not demanded openly. I don't know all the steps but am required to when I reach that stage' however I know the father returns any payments received when his daughter divorces hence disqualifies it from being regarded as a token. Do you also deduct something, upon refund, for the time the man spent with the lady? :-) The daughter has to pay for her own dowry to her own parents if she chooses to remain single. It sounds ridiculous but I think it should remain by all means. Now this is interesting. How do the parents decide what she has to pay? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From muthonikihiu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 08:45:38 2009 From: muthonikihiu at yahoo.com (Annie Kihiu) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! References: <109634.63275.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <137031.74016.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <991123400903060111k7340e39ft4cc027c8047ffda4@mail.gmail.com> <771365.68535.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <991123400903060438v1f99f1e9jd696f4120127f14b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <946800.79945.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ofcourse not!! Its all women, very few men would agree to tag along anyway! ________________________________ From: Remorque To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 3:38:23 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY A MUST! On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Annie Kihiu wrote: @Odhis, Hata kama unajibuy (direct translation from my mother tongue) the procedure is the same and you have to go thru all the stages just like when a man is paying the dowry for you. It is also negotiable. This is happening too often nowadys among the Kikuyu community for example if: 1. If you have kids (Girls) and they are about to get married. 2. You were married and your hubby had not gone thru some mandatory stages. 3. If you want your parents to "eat" your dowry hata kama uko single - some would consider it a way of getting Blessings from the paros. e.t.c Oooh, and something else which is happenning almost every sato, especially in kiambu is something ladies are calling "kamweretho" whereby unaenda with a group of your friends to say thank you to your parents for all they have done for you since birth, you make merry, dance, eat, and prayers are also held - its actually so much fun! Haki umenijazz.... Ninaumwa na tumbo after laughing myself silly. Are those friends including some men too? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From aodero at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 02:32:17 2009 From: aodero at gmail.com (Amos D. ) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:32:17 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: References: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78384a9d0903042332w42c84034w3595d16423d7a1f9@mail.gmail.com> I do not think there is anything like appreciating the girl's parents for the hardwork of bringing up the girl, does it mean, it does not take any effort of similar nature to bring up a man worth marrying...a man of high marriageability index? Dowry is not the antedote to weaker relationships in marriages, how many people have paid heavy dowry but still do not take the same marriages seriously? I think this was initially just a traditional way of celebrating the union of two, and since in most cirmcumstances girls leave their parents home to join the man's family, dowry would be like a souvenir to the girl's parents and how beautiful is it to lavish them with good things for allowing you to take away their daughter? Its not easy to let go of your loved one to leave and join another home...that tells you why people even cry at the airport when a loved one is travelling far even for just a few days....so what about lifetime transfer? Though prescribing the amount or content of the dowry package may be a bit like commerce... This is in deed a debate that can go on for centuries My take Amos On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:05 AM, cate kerubo wrote: > > Dowry is outdated, and in a way, it is demeaning to the ladies!!!!! > I wont allow anyone to pay dowry ati ndio anioe!!! > You marry me, don't pay! > N we live happily, fine! > > On 3/5/09, mercy kirui wrote: >> dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given >> to her parents >> to show appreciation.iam for......dowry >> >> --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: >> >> From: Isaac Kiplagat >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM >> >> Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but >> this is to clarify ) >> Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this >> people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need >> to be rewarded havily >> 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day >> and devorce tomorow. >> 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a >> beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? >> me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there ?who z looking for a date ?? >> >> On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: >>> hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree >>> with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a >> token >>> of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for >>> raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. >>> >>> regards >>> lynne. >>> >>> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: >>> >>> From: James mwenda >>> Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY >>> To: "youngprofessionals_ke" >> >>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no >>> purpose in?modern living! >>> >>> As a chick, is dowry a must for you? >>> >>> Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? >>> >>> Regards >>> Mwenda James. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From akbirech at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 00:05:55 2009 From: akbirech at gmail.com (Abraham Birech) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:05:55 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <3de4cae40903042048o77a0f1c6t5c2c3649e51844d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3de4cae40903042048o77a0f1c6t5c2c3649e51844d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456395fa0903042105h6bc21a64h5d92cb4431d862d8@mail.gmail.com> James, U need to understand history of the dowry first. I know in some communities u must pay some cash as a form of payment. There are others that money is never part of the payment.. Man, if u must marry then u better pay the price! Sorry if I am hard on you.. ABU On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:48 AM, James mwenda wrote: > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliusokelo at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 00:59:00 2009 From: juliusokelo at yahoo.com (Julius Okelo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:59:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Who is controlling Kibaki? In-Reply-To: <898662.31975.qm@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <372379.74859.qm@web63108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I am absolutely sure that Kibaki is senile and not capable of making rational decisions. So the question is who is running stuff behind scenes for Kibaki? Kenya needs a complete overhaul of the constitution like yesterday. Kenyans deserve to know the phbysical, mental and emotional health of any of her leaders particularly the President. President Kibaki is not in good health and as Kenyans we demand to? know who is talking for the man!!!! ? --- On Wed, 3/4/09, patricia mugenyi wrote: From: patricia mugenyi Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:18 PM Good morning colleagues, In my view, it is relative and only for those that can afford, and are interested in the practice anyway.Meanwhile, it also?depends on what a family calls dowry. Some families have turned it into a serious business to trade in exchange for their children while others maintain a noble cause of only fulfilling culture or traditional norms. What happens to those that cannot afford it?? What happens to that one who can afford to marry many and also pay off dowry for each one of them?? It should not be a must but it is worth it anyway if done without selfish gains(only wondering which family is less greedy lately with the credit crunch)?? . Thx, PM From: James mwenda To: youngprofessionals_ke Sent: Thursday, 5 March, 2009 5:48:00 Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no purpose in?modern living! ? As a chick, is dowry a must for you? ? Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? ? Regards Mwenda James. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karaux at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 03:38:23 2009 From: karaux at gmail.com (Edward Karau) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:38:23 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder In-Reply-To: <521c5be50903060015p9cec461o5dd8b44a5bb083b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <883406.12529.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <521c5be50903060015p9cec461o5dd8b44a5bb083b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <511f4b590903060038q12fa30d1sc680af855bd75163@mail.gmail.com> Yes thats the guy himself! On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Florence Amukhale wrote: > Was this the guy who was being interviewed by Jeff Koinange early this week > on Capital talk? I happened to watch the show. > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM, odhiambo okecth > wrote: > >> I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu >> GPO both of Oscar Foundation. >> >> This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree >> with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. >> >> The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on >> behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing >> with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara >> was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. >> >> The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand >> that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be >> acceptable. >> >> Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, >> Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from >> mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers >> and they must all be stopped. >> >> May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His >> service the people who killed these two Kenyans. >> >> Odhiambo T Oketch, >> Komarock Nairobi. >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwangierick at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 10:07:32 2009 From: mwangierick at yahoo.com (erick mwangi) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder In-Reply-To: <908988.51540.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969647.70573.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> no matter how much i want to think otherwise i have a strong feeling the govt had a hand in this --- On Fri, 3/6/09, kennedy waweru wrote: From: kennedy waweru Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:57 AM it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is very stupid and foolish to even link the president with this. if the government was planning to carry out the murder, i really don't think they would have dared mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them means that even a third party would have seized the golden opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might be your turn. it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. From: odhiambo okecth To: pointb at eastandard.net; progressiveminds ; regionalnews at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media ; siasa ; SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard ; ugandacom ; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: politics at eastandard.net; Publiceye ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA ; research at arrforum.org; smaitawi at yahoogroups.com; SOA at yahoogroups.com; Standard ; systemsthinktank ; Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com; TheBlackList at yahoogroups.com; transparency at tikenya.org; trueblackness at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence ; VOU Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barustuno at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 05:42:02 2009 From: barustuno at yahoo.com (moses cheburet) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:42:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <7ebrtm$pe42c@mailbk.accesskenya.com> Message-ID: <568496.76474.qm@web65515.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> How about both families exchanging tokens. It will fully cement family ties. Cheburet --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Bernice Awuor wrote: From: Bernice Awuor Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:00 AM James, Can you propose to Cate!! just give her romantic vibes and your done. But for chics like us, sorry dude you have to pay!!! no free vidangaz!!!! pay till you die. At 10:05 AM 3/5/2009, cate kerubo wrote: >Dowry is outdated, and in a way, it is demeaning to the ladies!!!!! >I wont allow anyone to pay dowry ati ndio anioe!!! >You marry me, don't pay! >N we live happily, fine! > >On 3/5/09, mercy kirui wrote: > > dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small > token given > > to her parents > > to show appreciation.iam for......dowry > > > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: > > > > From: Isaac Kiplagat > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM > > > > Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but > > this is to clarify ) > > Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this > > people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need > > to be rewarded havily > > 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day > > and devorce tomorow. > > 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a > > beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? > > me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? > > > > On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > >> hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > >> with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a > > token > >> of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > >> raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > >> > >> regards > >> lynne. > >> > >> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > >> > >> From: James mwenda > >> Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > >> To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > > > >> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > >> purpose in modern living! > >> > >> As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > >> > >> Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > >> > >> Regards > >> Mwenda James. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josekamanthe at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:22:39 2009 From: josekamanthe at gmail.com (josephine Ndambuki) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:22:39 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: <565926.98934.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <565926.98934.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi team, I like the way we comment so well on sicial matters. They are part of the young proffessional so good, we should also be doing so in the other debates; Now, one time, I happened to ask my guardian the whole concept of bride price, why they demand it and if he would need some when my time comes. It was a long debate and this is what i gathered. Why have bride price According to him, bride price has four major roles. - To show formally symbolise marriage - This is the backbone, everyone pays even if you have nothing else as dowry. Usually not expensive, but once given you are considered married. - Appreciation to the parents(dad, mum) - To jumpstart/cement the relationship betwen the two families - the negotiations - To create lasting relationships - You dont pay all at once How? When paying bride price, the son in law never comes alone, and the parents too, are not alone. there is some Baraza la wazee from both sides who will quote a figure that may be too shocking or relatively air, but they have to make it high deliberately so as to negotiate, urgue your case, give reasons, counter reasons get angry, feel like walking out, compose yourself, even plead (Do you really want her) etc. After that there is the ceremony, Kanywaji in plenty, eat and laugh. From there you will know who is the cousin, aunty, uncle of your wife/husband to be. I was shocked to learn that it may be an offence to accept the amount mentioned at first. and they also didnt expect you to write a downpayment for the lump sum, this would make the son in law have respect and keep coming back to settle the agreement, therefore visiting. You know you just dont go there mikono mitupu! So that is what i got as the reason for dowry, unfortunately it has become mandatory in some cases, and maybe too unreasonable to the extent of ruining would be marriages since one may not afford. All in all i still think its a good concept, if the two families are reasonable enough, BUT does this happen? My small research in this Josephine Kamanthe * * --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From kenne2ke at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 08:57:35 2009 From: kenne2ke at yahoo.com (kennedy waweru) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:57:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder References: <883406.12529.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908988.51540.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is very stupid and foolish to even link the president with this. if the government was planning to carry out the murder, i really don't think they would have dared mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them means that even a third party would have seized the golden opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might be your turn. it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. ________________________________ From: odhiambo okecth To: pointb at eastandard.net; progressiveminds ; regionalnews at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media ; siasa ; SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard ; ugandacom ; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: politics at eastandard.net; Publiceye ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA ; research at arrforum.org; smaitawi at yahoogroups.com; SOA at yahoogroups.com; Standard ; systemsthinktank ; Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com; TheBlackList at yahoogroups.com; transparency at tikenya.org; trueblackness at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence ; VOU Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. 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URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 02:45:06 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:45:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] This is cold blood murder Message-ID: <504784.71988.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 03:04:24 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:04:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] NO WITCHES IN GUSII LAND THE KILLINGS VILLAGERS ARE CONNECTED TO LAND AND PROPERTY DEPUTES AND ALSO EXTORTIONS BY THE MILITIA GROUPS ACTING AS PRIVATE ARMIS FOR POLITICIANS Message-ID: <907766.94905.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NO WITCHES IN GUSII LAND THE KILLINGS VILLAGERS ARE CONNECTED TO LAND AND PROPERTY DEPUTES AND ALSO EXTORTIONS BY THE MILITIA GROUPS ACTING AS PRIVATE ARMIS FOR POLITICIANS Investigative Feature Report By Leo Odera Omolo It is time someone somewhere in the higher authorities who is bold and brave enough to come forward and stop these extra judicial murder and brutal killings of poor, lonely and aged people in Gusiiland in Kenya?s Nyanza Province. Statistics recorded from newspaper reports in past indicated that up to 200 people most of them in their advanced age of 80s might have lost their precious lives under the madness of move lynching the allege witches . The so-called witches are just imaginary, because the real witches or night runners as they are known in other communities neighbouring the Abagusii people are said to be people who are physically fit and strong enough to withstand the chilly wee hours of the night. But not old , poor widows and widowers. The time therefore is ripe for the Kenyan authority to bring to an immediate end the killings of the innocent people. It has an obligation and responsibility to protect its citizen from being brutally murdered by a bunch of thugs. The marauding bands of youths have been visiting terror on the innocent people, torching their dwelling houses into ashes and vandalizing property at will. It is time the Kenya government step in and restore sanity an rule of law in the Gusii region. Almost an equal number of people in their prime life have also perished in the region under the pretext or on suspicion of their alleged linkage to the alarming spate of crimes and violence robberies in this particular region. Gusii region is the most densely populated with an average of three homesteads occupying an acre of land space. This has sparked off a lot of rivalry within the families and hence the source of hatred and enmities. The Abagusii are highly reputed as hard working people, particularly in good farming despite of the fact the land is scare in the area. The enmity most of it originates from long standing and unresolved land cases pending before courts .And the corruptive practices surrounding land cases which are pending in courts or at times biased judgment in relations to such cases. These serial killings of innocent law abiding and peace loving people in Kisii region are no different to the much highlighted extra- judicial killings by the trigger happy Kenyan policemen . The Provincial Administration in Nyanza stand blamed for having abdicated its responsibility of protecting Kenyan citizens and for having sanctioned the illegal activities of the so called ?Sungu Sungu? gangs of outlawed criminal . These bands of criminal elements know to be operating in Gusii region in parallel with the regular police are responsible for the brutal murder of many people in this region. Thee Sungu Sungus gangs are committing crime against the peace-loving people as if they are above the law and are so immune of prosecution. The are committing acts of atrocities with full blessing of the Provincial Administration in Nyanza while pretending to be part of the community policing . The idea of having community policing to supplement the work of the regular police in flushing out criminal element is good and splendid. It is most welcome and commendable, but those involve in community policing in the interior village must work under the close supervision of chiefs, their assistants and village elders. They are also required to be men and women of good conduct and clean records which are devoid of any previous convictions in courts of law. Even the police informer need to be people with clean record of crime and of upright characters. Instead of policing the villages, these thugs have turned out to the extortionists mafia gangs of hire to kill and terrorists .Why should the government abandon its responsibly of protecting its citizen and allow criminal thugs to carry out heinous acts of executing people in cold blooded murder? My investigations revealed there is no witches in Gusiiland. The witches culture and cult is alien among the Abagusii people, though it is being practiced in negligent scale in some parts of the region .But mostly and a negligible number of men who had acquired the practices of witchcrafts from the neighbouring Luo-Nyanza understandably at a very exorbitant prices In isolated case it is being practiced mainly by women ,but this should not warrant the killings and blood letting of that magnitude. Moreover witches are very secretive people. They don?t work in groups hence their secrets are exposed .What is there to go by is the testimony by those whom I had interviewed believes that the is activities of these self- styled groups of thugs out to exploit the community. One old man Mzee Stephen Okemwa of Bogisero village decribed the Sungu S ungu as a gang of trained terrorists whose activities and operations in the villages are prejudicial to peace and tranquility. The Sungu Sungus outfit have become debt collectors court bellies, police detectives chiefs and assistant chiefs. They are conducting night raids in the homes of suspected criminals independently without the supervision of the administration or police. They are normally operating during wee hours of the night when the chiefs their assistants, police officers and even village elders are in deep sleep. Who is then supervising their operations in the villages during such odd hours of the night?. Why are the senior politicians in Gusiiland keeping mum over these killings? Of course I was made to understand that the same gangs of thugs are also being used by politicians as private armies and protectors on hire. The is so, especially during the elections campaign time, and as such the Sungu Sungu bundits have since become untouchable lots in this particular region of Kenya. No politician is willing to come out in his or her true colour to condmn their criminal activities. Witchcraft is a sophisticated culture and a cult which is shrouded in top secrecy. Their art is never shared There is no evidence whatsoever that could link the witches to operate collectively in one village. to work together, Each individual or families maintains their experience and knowledge as top secret of lifetime and never shared or revealed to anybody be it a neighbour or a relative. A married woman who is practicing the witchcraft cult might live her full life together with her husband and family without revealing her fool of work to anybody ,even her own children, if her conscience tells her that these are not the kind of people who can keep the art as a life time secret. And so it reciprocates the same with a husband who does not trust his wife, though he is practitioner the cult. In this context, I sincerely believe that those who are dying in Gusii land under the falsified accusation of practicing witchcraft are dying due to well rooted family hatred and enmity. These should be treated as simple cases of cold blooded murder The offender must not be let out of the hook. . I visited Suneka Township, which is located about six miles south west of Kisii Municipality six years ago where I found some ultra modern business premises burnt to ashes under the guise and claims that the proprietor of those buildings were being suspected of having links with criminal elements. And the crux of the matter lies on petty jealousies by neignbours If that is the case, the valid argument is that those suspecting them should have reported the matter to the police instead of taking the law into their own hands and vandalizing property worth thousands of shillings. This I believe is the only logical conclusion. The government, I trust have sufficient number of security agents in the field plus chiefs assistant chiefs ,police informers ,DOs, DCs. These people are getting fat salaries to perform their duties of general administration and governance. These are the right people authorized by law to apprehend or hunt-down criminal elements within the society. The above category of officials are the people to ensure that peace and tranquility is prevailing everywhere. But strictly not a bunch of criminal thugs like Sungu Ssungu hit squads.The gang is just acting as the group of hired assassins. It is time the government come out in it true color and crack down the outlawed gangs such as Kebagos. Amachumas ,Chinkororos any private armies owned by politicians. Otherwise if the prevailing insecurity situation is allow to flourish, it would soon spread into other regions and eventually lead to our country being classified by the international community as ?ungovernable state? similar to Somalia. It could be remembered that prior to the 2007 general elections, the Amachuma militia youth under the alleged command of Simon Nyachae attacked and almost killed Hon William Ruto, Hon Omingo Magara if full view of televised action. But to date nobody has ever been booked in court to account for their cowardice action .Why ? The assault by Amachuma/Chinkororos against Ruto and Magara was staged in day light at a function in South Mugirango Constituency in Gucha district 2007 has made we to believe that the government of Kenya is only conducting prosecutions selectively and not justifiably. In the same area, and during the burial of the late Hon Nyakieya Magara, the Minister for Education Prof. Sam K. Ongeri was attacked and beaten up senselessly and ruthlessly by Amachuma youths outfit. The Minister escaped death by a whisker. The latest killings of the alleged witches in Mosocho DIvison, Kitutu Chache Constituency has elicited scathing criticism of the Province Administrator in Nyanza for its laxity and insensitiveness on matters concerning the safety and Abagusii people. The alleged witch hunters, conducting police like operation and swoop in the villages in parallel to the police work must be discouraged. It should be condemned unreservedly by all right thinking Kenyans. So far the MP for the area Hon Richard Onyonka, who is an Assistant Minister for Foreign Affairs had not seen it fit to chip n a comment criticizing or condemning the killing of his constituents. Why? Why should this be allowed to happen. And the so-called witches hunters are known to be members of Sungu Sungu. Its members are well known to have been authorized to operate with impunity. They beat up people, maim the victims, burnt their houses to ashes and vandalize property unabated. Why should such primitive act be allowed to happen in a modern Kenya? The law of the land does not allow anybody to take away the precious life a fellow Kenyan unless otherwise it is under the judiciary processes. The laws of Kenya prohibits anybody from taking away the life of a fellow Kenyan with such impunity like the Sungu Sungus. While conducting inquiries in Kisii town and its environs ,I not only was puzzled , but shocked to hear disturbing stories how Sungu Sungu gangs at times could be hired by wealthy businessmen and farmers in settling old scores with their neighbours. And even get involved themselves in family feuds, unresolved business partnership feuds .And at times getting embroiled in the conflict of interest between men and their estranged wives. The recent attack has even created another round of internally displaced persons{IDP} as many people have fled their homes leaving behind their properly worth thousands of shillings unguarded and exposed to thieves art robbers who are in any way the same members of the Sungu Sungu criminals. Majority of those fleeing their homes are elderly widows because the killer group has attached an age element to its targets. The families have deserted homes after receiving verbal threats that they were listed as the next target in the execution queue . Some of the victims claim police had been informed of the threats on the on their lives but the forces of law reinforcement took time to respond. Many residents of Mosocho in Kitutu Chache and B0marenda in Bonchari areas which have been subjecte to similar style of night killings have expressed fears that if this trends continued unchecked innocent people might be accosted from their homes under killed and the pretext of cracking down on witches. There are i no witched in Gusii land what is there and the sources of all these hullabaloo are unresolved land disputes and lust for bloody money by these Sungu Sungu serial killers. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From msshabana2004 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 11:02:13 2009 From: msshabana2004 at yahoo.com (shabana osman) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:02:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565926.98934.qm@web90602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys ? Dowry has been perceived in all most all communities differently, ? In most the communities here in Kenya its the brides family who are given the token by the groom however, just to give you a different angle of dowry ? In the hindu community its the opposite,?its the?brides family who pay the groom one of the reasons the female child is considered a 'curse'?or 'a financial burden' ? In?the muslim?community there is nothing like dowry instead there is something called 'dower' which is a normally a token of love given by the?groom to his bride.? ? I think we all ok with our Kenyan dowry perception provided it remains 'a token'?unlike in?India where its becoming a major humans right issue!!! ? Regards ? Shabana ? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Peter Waruinge wrote: From: Peter Waruinge Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:25 AM Hi YPs Dowry those days was a token of appreciation to the girls parents for taking care of her to her adult hood and her pureness. No come we stay thing or kids involved. In some traditions that's why iko fine ya kuvunja mbuzi mguu. Regards PW -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of vincent omanje Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:22 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY Hello all, In my opinion dowry is an outdated practise that should stop. We need to talk about appriciation to parents for having taken care of their girls untill that time and to me it's suppose to a small token. If we talk about the dowry then it's like you're buying the girl and especially to the tribes that quotes the amout they want to be paid. --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Hussein Dzila wrote: > From: Hussein Dzila > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 11:21 PM > Mercy, > > Hapo umeongea facts, coz if we talk of a price, then very > few can afford > & those few are not in YP. But just to show some form > of appreciation we > pay dowry. And there are set forms /items to be paid as > dowry depending > on different traditions. As much as it has been > commercialized, u can > get the truth from the community elderz. > > > > But hata wewe surely kama hutaki kulipa, how do you (as a > couple) feel? > > > > Regards, > > Hussein. > > ________________________________ > > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of mercy kirui > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:25 AM > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY > > > > dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a > small token > given to her parents > > to show appreciation.iam for......dowry > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat > wrote: > > From: Isaac Kiplagat > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM > > Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't > despise YP > ladies but > this is to clarify ) > Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to > keep > this > people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this > people > need > to be rewarded havily > 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would > marry > 2day > and devorce tomorow. > 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to > have a > beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her > choiice? > me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z > looking for > a date ?? > > On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua > wrote: > > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you > have to > do is agree > > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is > supposed > to be a > token > > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show > your > gratefulness for > > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > > > regards > > lynne. > > > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda > > wrote: > > > > From: James mwenda > > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > > > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise > which > serves no > > purpose in modern living! > > > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > > > Regards > > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ TO ADVERTISE, CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwashindu at kcb.co.ke Fri Mar 6 02:25:07 2009 From: mwashindu at kcb.co.ke (Washindu, Mildren) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:25:07 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY Message-ID: <23A7E8BCE0335B40AEAB870C6FE9E59723E1CA@BARUAPEPE.kcbad.com> Wow Josephine, I think this is a very good one. It has given us the insight of the true African Culture as far as marriage is concerned. So long as it is minimal I mean affordable to all across, it is ok. Milly _____ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of josephine Ndambuki Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:23 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY hi team, I like the way we comment so well on sicial matters. They are part of the young proffessional so good, we should also be doing so in the other debates; Now, one time, I happened to ask my guardian the whole concept of bride price, why they demand it and if he would need some when my time comes. It was a long debate and this is what i gathered. Why have bride price According to him, bride price has four major roles. * To show formally symbolise marriage - This is the backbone, everyone pays even if you have nothing else as dowry. Usually not expensive, but once given you are considered married. * Appreciation to the parents(dad, mum) * To jumpstart/cement the relationship betwen the two families - the negotiations * To create lasting relationships - You dont pay all at once How? When paying bride price, the son in law never comes alone, and the parents too, are not alone. there is some Baraza la wazee from both sides who will quote a figure that may be too shocking or relatively air, but they have to make it high deliberately so as to negotiate, urgue your case, give reasons, counter reasons get angry, feel like walking out, compose yourself, even plead (Do you really want her) etc. After that there is the ceremony, Kanywaji in plenty, eat and laugh. From there you will know who is the cousin, aunty, uncle of your wife/husband to be. I was shocked to learn that it may be an offence to accept the amount mentioned at first. and they also didnt expect you to write a downpayment for the lump sum, this would make the son in law have respect and keep coming back to settle the agreement, therefore visiting. You know you just dont go there mikono mitupu! So that is what i got as the reason for dowry, unfortunately it has become mandatory in some cases, and maybe too unreasonable to the extent of ruining would be marriages since one may not afford. All in all i still think its a good concept, if the two families are reasonable enough, BUT does this happen? My small research in this Josephine Kamanthe ##################################################################################### The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged and protected from discovery or disclosure. This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended addressee. If you have received this message in error, you are not authorised to view, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any part of it without our consent, and you are requested to return it to the sender immediately and delete all copies from your system. 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It was not meant to be for every roofrat on the planet BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: mercy kivanda Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:51:11 To: Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org From prcanb at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 18:24:49 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:24:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Questions we should not ask! Message-ID: <313964.23507.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From time to time, it so happens that: -We come across new people -We visit the sick at the hospitals -We visit people at their homes -We meet at a social gathering -We assemble at the break/lunch room to rest or eat -We ride in the same car -We visit a family to console them over the passing of a loved one -You come across a man, a woman, and children, all together In any of the above scenarios, it's possible to ask some questions, some based on our assumptions. However,under any of the above circumstances, please avoid asking any of the following questions? Why? Because such questions annoy people. Here are some. -Where is your husband/wife/children? -Is this your wife/husband? -What did he/she die of? -What's he/she suffering from? -What to you do at your place of work? -When are you graduating? -When are you entering the program? -Have you sat for your state test yet? -Do you go to school? -You mean this is where you live? -How much do you make per hour? -How many hours do you work in a week? Have you ever asked any of the above questions? What was the response? Believe me when I say that people don't like such kind of questions. If they feel like, they will tell you without you asking! So, next time you want to ask a question, think twice before you do! Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 05:58:56 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] UGANDA HAS NOW IMPOSED TAXES ON KENYAN FISHERMEN ON MIGINGO ISLAND AND AT THE SAME TIME ORDERED SOME OF THEM TO QUIT THE DISPUTED TRERRITORY Message-ID: <539518.97475.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> UGANDA HAS NOW IMPOSED TAXES ON KENYAN FISHERMEN ON MIGINGO ISLAND AND AT THE SAME TIME ORDERED SOME OF THEM TO QUIT THE DISPUTED TRERRITORY Report by Leo Odera Oomolo The stand off between Kenya and Ugandan governments over the ownership of the small Migingo fishing island in Lake Victoria has taken a new dimension and is now a matter of serious concerns for Kenyan residence Uganda has now imposed special fee in taxation against Kenyan fishermen ,residents and visitors a clear indication that Kampala is not just about to vacate the dispute island. A notice issued by the Uganda marine police on Friday morning ,asked Kenyan fishermen to quit the island or apply a fresh for temporary residence permit. The same apply to Kenyan visiting the disputed island on business trips, fish trade are also being asked to apply for ?residence status? and pay Kshs.500 per person. .This also the same amount payable in fees even if t the visitors is on the island for only the hours or a few days. A terse notice signed by a Ugandan marine police officer Says in part ?we reserve the rights to accept or reject any application without giving any reason ?. Kenyan and Ugandan governments have locked horns in dispute over the rocky one acre fishing island with each side claiming ownership. Kenya?s Prime minister Raila Odinga is expected to lead a Kenyan delegation to Uganda next week for talks aimed at resolving the row. African diplomats in both Nairobi and Kampala, however, predicted that the much touted negotiations over the dispute might not bear any fruit .Observer alike expect such talks could go a notch higher and to require the services of an international arbitrators. . The copies of notice issued by the marine police had been pinned on various buildings on the island including hotels and bars. Ugandans have now literally taken over the administration of Migingo island and any talk about the on-going negotiations i just a waste of time,?| said the chairman of Migingo Beach Management Unit(BMU)Mr Juma Ombori who is a Kenyan. Mr Ombori reported in telephone conversations with this writer that Kenyans visiting the disputed island were now being screened thoroughly by Ugandan marine police permanently stationed at the boat landing bay. The police are ever there to monitor ?strangers?. ? The latest move was calculated to chase away all Kenyan who live or trade on the island , The security officers have warned those who defy the latest directive that they risked being arrested and prosecuted for breaching Ugandan immigration regulations,:? ?said Mr Ombori Meanwhile the Uganda police have released unconditionally the twenty Kenyan fishermen they have been holding in custody since last month ,but immediately arrested two other Kenyan who had defiantly hoisted their country?s national flag on the island alongside that of Uganda the previous week. The two were part of the Kenyan fishermen who protested against the withdrawal of Kenyan security officials from the island a week ago. A contingent of 13 Kenyan administration policemen had been sent to Migingo island to perform joint patrol with their Uganda counterparts but were immediately surrounded by the Ugandan soldiers who disarmed ,arrested and placed them in police cell by Ugandan who detained them for close to eight hours. before they were released on the intervention of Migori D.C. and his Ugandan counterpart from Bugiri district. . Ugandan police also released five fishing boats and engines as well as tone of fish they had confisticated on Monday raid .Between 600 and 700 fishermen lives on this island with few Tanzanian and Ugandan. The disputed island is close to the Kenyan mainland in Nyatike, Migori and Gwassi constituencies.This part of Lake Victoria is rich in fish stock, particularly the more economically value Nile perch. Fishermen have said that Uganda police were now carrying our raids and searches in the houses of Kenyans living on the island under the pretext of looking for firearms allegedly smuggled to the island by Kenyans . Suspects are usually held on the island police cells for days before the authorities take tem to Bugiri district in the mainland Uganda a journey of about xxx hour by boat when they are eventually arraigned in courts. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From buchson at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 08:50:25 2009 From: buchson at yahoo.com (Jackson Kibuchi) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:50:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY References: <75af75190903042128y543f15fem279a840b03538a36@mail.gmail.com> <527265.66865.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6c047d420903042301y5400f190t35fe0edcb7de847c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <699658.17356.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True Oska, Should we start calling them Grand Marriages, me I think so. That is why during old days women were bought and this tells us why they never had any rights and they could be beaten anytime without raising a finger to the man, what about nowadays, is it still the same? I doubt. What do you think? ________________________________ From: oska wekesa To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 10:01:10 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY if it is token of appreciation, then the bride's family should also appreciate the groom,s family in the same regard. 'cause marriage union is 50-50 union of 2 people (consenting adults) 1 +1... and not 1.5 +0.5 or otherwise. to me dowery feels like you are buying your wife bride. which in a real sense belittles the "womanbeing" -another word to be added to the dictionary :) as a single african man, until someone gives me an explanation as to why the bride family is not "appreciating" the groom's family in the same regard that they have raided their daughter to maturity and ready to be married, the same applies to the groom family. talking from a family point of view, i was raised by two parents and if that does not warrant a token, then the justification of dowery or bride price is bogus! that is my take on dowery. thanks oz On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM, mercy kirui wrote: dowry is not a price to pay for the bride but its rather a small token given to her parents to show appreciation.iam for......dowry --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Isaac Kiplagat wrote: From: Isaac Kiplagat Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: DOWRY To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:28 AM Do you know the cost of bringing a lady(i don't despise YP ladies but this is to clarify ) Sleepless nights tat our peroz spent thinking on how to keep this people from evil men. Hey wazzup jamaa nwakeup!!!!! this people need to be rewarded havily 2 for marriage to be taken seriously. otherwise one would marry 2day and devorce tomorow. 3 you don't want to pay dowry now if God allows you to have a beautiful Girl si u would need dowry from the man of her choiice? me I'll pay quite well.any lady outside there who z looking for a date ?? On 05/03/2009, Lilian wambua wrote: > hey you sound soo agitated..dont worry..relax all you have to do is agree > with you spouse on wat to give further more dowry is supposed to be a token > of appreciation to her parents and respect and show your gratefulness for > raising someone you can call a mom to you kids. > > regards > lynne. > > --- On Wed, 3/4/09, James mwenda wrote: > > From: James mwenda > Subject: [YP_Ke] DOWRY > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:48 PM > > > > Who feels like me? That dowry is an outdated practise which serves no > purpose in modern living! > > As a chick, is dowry a must for you? > > Guys, what is your opinion on dowry? > > Regards > Mwenda James. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emmanuel.dennis at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 10:34:35 2009 From: emmanuel.dennis at gmail.com (ED) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder In-Reply-To: <969647.70573.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969647.70573.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3af6bed1-8293-4134-b519-e6f09e0e1632@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> Dear Friend---- On behalf of the National Youth Convention (NYC) and the Partnership for Change (P4C), I would like to send our condollences to the family of GPO Oulu and Oscar Kingara and the 2nd Year UON student for their rather brutalish death. We are very downtroden.........................may their souls rest in eternal peace. We will not dissapoint them, the work they had so passionately started will continue. I would like to bring all to light in terms of preparatory arrangements for GPO's death. The body is lying at Chiromo Motuary for those who would like to go and view and give your final respects. GPO was the only surviving sibling of the six that are already deceased in their family. e is survived by the dear mother and father. GPO was brought up by his mother. Note that he came from an extremely poor family. Immediately his father received information that his son was dead he has since swiched off his phone. The very critically ill mother has not spoken a word since receiving the very sad news of her soul bread winner. GPO had no immediate relative in nairobi. The whole story gets even more complicated. In order to give GPO a heroes send off, it is going to be the initiative of mostly his friends, colleagues and comrades. The Postmortem of the body is bound to be conducted on tuesday next week, IMLU has offered to take part in the exercise as an independent agency. Mostly Friends will be meeting tommorow Sunday 8th March at the Regional College/Institute on Moi Avenue, BIDCO Plaza (Opposite Jazz) 2nd Floor at 4.00PM in order to synergise efforts towards the burial. A few of the distant relatives will be meeting earlier and a brief will be availed at the meeting. Another meeting will be convened in the week in order to expand the efforts. We would like to request you to contribute watever amount of money you can get in order to manage the logistics of the burrial that will be tentatively on saturday 14th March 2009 in Holo, Kadawa Village in Kisumu Rural Constituency. Information will be availed on how you can contribute. The Partnership for Change and NYC will be organising a prayer Vigil in honour of the slain Legends of the Modern Day Activism in Kenya. The Venue and time for the Vigil will be communicated on Monday. For an more communiction Clarifications on the arrangements you can call the following people Mr. Young (very Close friend of GPO) 0729055348 Mr. PJ Malaki (GPO's Auncle) 0722682140 Young is coordinating between the family and friends. We hope that by next week all the groups (Students, Colleagues, Friends, Civil Society Partners) meeting and arranging stuff will merge and make a larger committee for the arrangements and smooth flow. We will communicate again on Monday on te latest updates. "We know it is not in vain...."Vengeance" is mine" Says the Lord. Lets give GPO the very lst of what we could have given im, were e alive today. Regards, Emmanuel Dennis For and on bealf of the NYC and P4C On Mar 6, 6:07?pm, erick mwangi wrote: > no matter how much i want to think otherwise i have a strong feeling the govt had a hand in this > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, kennedy waweru wrote: > > From: kennedy waweru > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:57 AM > > it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is very stupid and foolish to even link the president with this. if the government was planning to carry out the murder, i really don't think they would have dared mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them means that even a third party would have seized the golden opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might be your turn. > > it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. > > From: odhiambo okecth > To: poi... at eastandard.net; progressiveminds ; regionaln... at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media ; siasa ; SonsofAfr... at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard ; ugandacom ; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Cc: polit... at eastandard.net; Publiceye ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA ; resea... at arrforum.org; smait... at yahoogroups.com; S... at yahoogroups.com; Standard ; systemsthinktank ; Ta_S... at yahoogroups.com; TheBlackL... at yahoogroups.com; transpare... at tikenya.org; trueblackn... at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence ; VOU > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM > Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder > > I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. > > This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. > > The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. > > The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. > > Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. > > May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > Komarock Nairobi. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From tapsirorei at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 07:10:25 2009 From: tapsirorei at gmail.com (Nancy Chepkoech Muigei) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:10:25 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Fwd: Fw: Press statement In-Reply-To: <825333.17245.qm@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <825333.17245.qm@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fwd, A statement released by the Pioneers for change and Young People's Forum on the Assasination of GPO. _____________________________ Kind Regards Nancy C.Muigei Skype:Nancy.chepkoech.Muigei ___________________________________________ ?What I call middle-class society is any society that becomes rigidified in predetermined forms, forbidding all evolution, all gains, all progress, all discovery. I call middle-class a closed society in which life has no taste, in which the air is tainted, in which ideas and men are corrupt. And I think that a man who takes a stand against this death is in a sense a revolutionary.? Frantz Fanon Critical reflection on practice is a requirement of the relationship between theory and practice. Otherwise theory becomes simply ?blah, blah, blah,? and practice, pure activism. -Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of Freedom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: kingwa kamencu Date: Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:05 PM Subject: Fw: Press statement To: Nancy Chepkoech Muigei --- On *Sat, 3/7/09, kingwa kamencu * wrote: From: kingwa kamencu Subject: Press statement To: pmbae at sundayeagle.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 1:44 PM Hi, Attached. KK --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Name: Press Type: application/msword Size: 111104 bytes Desc: not available URL: From makosewe at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 15:10:51 2009 From: makosewe at gmail.com (makosewe at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:10:51 +0100 Subject: [Jambo] Sussie Owiyo Coming to Sweden Message-ID: Hi, Kenyan Musician Suzan Owiyo will be coming in Stockholm in May so keep tuned. Okoth Osewe From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 17:15:34 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jambo] Fw: S. O. S. LIVES IN DANGER Message-ID: <480934.23803.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: S. O. S. LIVES IN DANGER ? ? Forwarded Message: S.O.S S.O.S Saturday, March 7, 2009 2:35 PM From: "Okiya Omtatah Okoiti" To: kptj-communications at fahamu.org, "ProgressiveMinds" , "New Vision List" , bidiiafrika at googlegroups.com I have received this disturbing email a couple of minutes ago. If you can reach anybody in authority especially Mwai Kibaki, Raila, Saitoti, Ali, etc, plead with them to use their offices to ensure that these prescious lives are protected. Ojijo Ogilo is a young brilliant lawyer and not a prankster so I take this very seriously. His phone is gone dead. I can't reach him. Hallo Okoiti, I am Ojijo, of ocurse you know me, ...there is a list of people to be taken out...and my friends are in it...please find out where htey are... 1. Wachira Benedict (University of Nairobi, 3rd year, Mathematics student), 2. Martha Mbugu, law, 4th year; 3. Booker Ngesa, Engineering, 4th year, 4. Amuke... All of us were close to GPO and Kamau, and all of us were working on the sensitive material. Thank You! 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But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luo31 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 8 04:28:49 2009 From: luo31 at hotmail.com (barack abonyo) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:28:49 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Sad day for Kenya In-Reply-To: <375767.64190.qm@web57403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <375767.64190.qm@web57403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A new kenya with a new vision is the conclusion. Kenya belongs to the people. majority are poor but still they are people. If the people dont decide they will still die by the sword. I have refused to be told I am nobody. The KENYAN people must refuse to be told that they dont matter because the fact is that they do. Yes they matter big time. Without the people of Kenya, there is neither Raila nor Kibaki. By the way who is Raila, who is Kibaki? They are people just like all Kenyans. They are no gods and we must start to evaluate them as men and not as angels, devils or demigods. They are simply people. They were born, will live and will die just like all of us. Kenyan people lets stop this madness lets redeem ourselves. Join progressiveminds at yahoo.com. It is time to be counted. Barack Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:20:06 -0800 From: jkorig at yahoo.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Another sad day for Kenya, Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that have become part of the system. Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous crime; says Raila. But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a distance. Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkamabi at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 07:17:03 2009 From: hkamabi at gmail.com (henry kamabi) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:17:03 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] TRIBALISM NOT ME,HAPANA Message-ID: <6136cc4a0903080417g54a9cb3bo2b3bbe9345184a1@mail.gmail.com> Av just seen on Tv,some so called leaders.i am an unhappy chap.who gave them the moral authority to endorse each other,or even call others outsiders?If i hear a guy who is acredited to shoddy road projects call a courageous woman like Martha an outsider,i feel insulted. A word of caution,if we are really true,lets evaluate who or even what endorses us. I believe the bible and other good books,endorse humility n putting the interest of others before us as a preliquisite for a servant leader. No leadership either from Pnu,Odm,Narc or any other among the alleged 300 parties has placed the interest of Kenyans before us. Our intrests and expectations if asked as a Kenyan is: IDPS-do we xpect American or th Iranians to settle them? Food-maize Energy-trato?what? Land-GrandRegency Justice-those implicated should either be prosecuted or forgiven but not ignored. If i can borrow from Marto-Martin Luther about his dream of judgement,then i have one too.."i dream of a day when our children will not be judged by the content of their of their pockets or the region of their origin but by the content of their concious" Next time then on TV,just ignore them..ad rather watch Churchil live or any other kenyan comedy than listen to one among 222. Regards, Henry --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From youngprofessionals.ke at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 05:41:12 2009 From: youngprofessionals.ke at gmail.com (moderator youngprofessionals_ke) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:41:12 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS Message-ID: <82dec6650903080141jb1cda1do9f92210ff2384ee3@mail.gmail.com> In 2006 Time magazine chose the millions of anonymous contributors of user-generated content to Wikipedia, YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, Second Life, the Linux Operating System, and other online communities, as Person of the Year, personified simply as *You*. The magazine chose to highlight the rise in the sharing of online content, the importance of the emerging online community and its democratizing effect on global media, and its influence over elections (part of what enabled to put Barrack in Oval Office, last year). On the same breath YP_Ke would exist weren?t not for the time we take to shares ideas with the rest of the members, YP_Ke wouldn?t exist if it weren?t our willingness to provide direction or help to a fellow YP. We couldn?t be learning from each other?s viewpoint weren?t for our participation in discussions posted daily on this forum. In summary, the YP_Ke adds value to each of us because of *OUR* contributions. It?s therefore in order for us to pat our backs for the collective synergy we create by being part of this wonderful community, the YP family. 10 people stands out for their many and valued contributions to the group. They are: Odhiambo Washington (489), Terry Franks (268), Francis Mwangi (266), Judy Kaiguire (196), Josiah Ogalo (180), Washindu Mildren (129), Florence Ndungu (116), Phares Kariuki (114), Josephine Kamanthe (112), Peter Opudo (92). Another team that did a remarkable job in organizing and building up the LYP Club from scratch to current status deserves special attention. These are Edwin Cherop, for spearheading the drafting of the LYP 5 year strategic plan, supporting the club financially and inviting members to LYP meetings; Dan Nyutu the director for Fundraising and Resource Mobilization, for ensuring we always have a venue for LYP meeting, his wealth of input in the club strategy planning and spearheading the opening of the club bank account; Josephine Kamanthe, the club secretary & administrator for her enthusiasm and energy in building the LYP and successfully administrating her duties by remote from France; Gideon Njoroge for much needed financial support to the club, spearheading the drafting of the LYP constitution & strategic plan, and spearheading our first project- LYP Food Bank; Francis Mwangi for supporting the club financially and his input in drafting the Club Annual Plan and club registration; Kelvin Jayanoris who is following up on hosting of the LYP website and his commitment to the club and Dream Team ; Catherine Wekesa, Jacqueline Akinyi, Stephen Kiragu for their input as Dream Team members. Thumbs up for all those who have already registered as LYP members and for attending the meetings and their amazing ideas led by one Mathews Ogutu. The club needs more of guys like you. When the YP holds its gala night at the end of the year, be sure *YOU* are on the list of awardees for *YOUR* outstanding contribution towards sustaining and growth of both the YP and LYP, for volunteering your time, skills and talent, to the club and its projects. Our 3rd LYP meeting is on this Thursday 12th March 2009, at Ambassador Hotel from 6:00pm - 7:30pm. The agenda of the meeting will be posted before then. Come let?s put our heads together on how to assist one another and how we can contribute to make a better Kenya. Warm Regards Group Moderator --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:20 PM From: "john kamau" Add sender to Contacts To: "young" Another sad day for Kenya, ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that have become part of the system. Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous crime; says Raila. But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 08:53:10 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 05:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] My Prayers with you all Message-ID: <745955.3314.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:20 PM From: "john kamau" Add sender to Contacts To: "young" Another sad day for Kenya, ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that have become part of the system. Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous crime; says Raila. But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 11:02:38 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <375767.64190.qm@web57403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <811872.56223.qm@web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > To: "young" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > Another sad day for Kenya, > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > have become part of the system.. > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > crime; says Raila. > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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What is The Secret, exactly? "That principle can be summed up in three simple words: thoughts become things," proclaims writer Mike Dooley, author of Notes from the Universe. Put it another way, it's The Power of Positive Thinking and how it can be applied to attracting more money, better health, and relationships; in short, happiness. (There is a rundown of topics on the DVD Chapters menu). Most of the material here is given in a straightforward manner, with the presenters simply talking into the camera to address the audience directly, which is good because it avoids the trap of pretense. On the other hand, the quick edits between presenters (would it hurt to let them say more than one sentence at a time?) don't help because it reduces many of their points to palatable sound bites and aphorisms. To many viewers, this may make the program come across as a series of nice ideas not rooted in reality. Plus it's somewhat spurious to claim that The Secret was well understood and practiced by specific individuals like Plato or Shakespeare (it's well known that some of the historical figures noted didn't exactly live happy or even prosperous lives, despite their achievements). But still, the primary message is one of positivity and hope for everyone. So what to make of it? In the end, programs like this generally find an audience that is open to the message, and many will probably find it to be a source of inspiration. Others will approach it with a good deal of skepticism or dismiss it as another way of marketing happiness the masses. It simply won't resonate with everyone, but if it resonates with you, you're likely to enjoy it and get a lot out of it. Those who have been looking for the The Secret DVD, click here is the best offer in Town. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From johnnykamau2003 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 15:45:56 2009 From: johnnykamau2003 at yahoo.com (John Kamau) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <811872.56223.qm@web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <596845.29265.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mr., Owinga, May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage you negatively but I hope we can both do this without throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and that of all other looters working with him even though they are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, orchestrated or planned wickedness. We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring about the destruction of life and property that we all witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. He does not seem to have used either one very much for the benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of genocide or to kick start the process for a new constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. So how about leaving whole communities out of this and dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we would start seeing things for what they are. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > To: "young" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > Another sad day for Kenya, > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > have become part of the system.. > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > crime; says Raila. > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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As far as we do not want to speculate the fact remains that we have a blood thirsty security servinces who for the sake of it. Time he come for this madness to stop otherwise security services may themselves be targets of random revenge attacks. The rule of must be the guiding principle by the police in any civilised society. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Mar 2009, at 13:57, kennedy waweru wrote: it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is very stupid and foolish to even link the president with this. if the government was planning to carry out the murder, i really don't think they would have dared mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them means that even a third party would have seized the golden opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might be your turn. it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. From: odhiambo okecth To: pointb at eastandard.net; progressiveminds ; regionalnews at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media ; siasa ; SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard ; ugandacom ; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: politics at eastandard.net; Publiceye ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA ; research at arrforum.org; smaitawi at yahoogroups.com; SOA at yahoogroups.com; Standard ; systemsthinktank ; Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com; TheBlackList at yahoogroups.com; transparency at tikenya.org; trueblackness at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence ; VOU Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 11:04:17 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Mutula Kilonzo Message-ID: <735408.731.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mutula Kilonzo must be sick?? 6th March 2009 Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM can take a walk, and they, PNU, can just appoint any other person to the office of Prime Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila had said that he does not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on Raila again. Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when Muthama was sent to antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila has chosen to give Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as Muthama was before him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And Raila must not respond to them. I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua was talking on behalf of Raila as well, Raila would know. Not Mutula. Anyway, we will take this on another day. At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before ODM came on board, there was a government in place, so there will still be a government in place even if they packed and left. Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again sent to go and read another press statement. And he read the same without looking at the cameras even once. As usual, he was being used. My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many things. My take is with the two lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the negotiation team. On the PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can get it all that wrong, then I really pity them. After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted like never before. This made the international community come on board to help create peace. Many Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced. It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it seems like the two people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not know why they went to the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the process. What comes from their mouths makes me think so. Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity. Kenyans did not trust him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the Nation Media told me off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum campaign. I did support Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can now see clearly what Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right. Mutula Kilonzo is just Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi do all sorts of things for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like Daniel. This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of deceit. He made his money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship conveniently to join the forces of liberation without believing in the cause. He seems not to know that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki has 43 MPs, while Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59 MPs. ODM on its own has 99 MPs. When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki and Kalonzo have, it comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected MPs. When you add nominated MPs, the Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while ODM alliance has 112 MPs. These are facts well known to both Mutula and Wetangula, and both of them are lawyers. I pity them. At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be known as the National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that the Prime Minister will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in Parliament. It is a known fact that ODM is the single largest party in Parliament. ODM has 99 elected MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19. ODM-K, [from where Mutula gloats] has 16. The rest have one or two MPs. Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple things? Even if you want to kiss ass, I bet you need to do it honourably. Did you here Mutula give a budget of 33T for Nairobi Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy is worth? This is simple madness. You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of ODM-K, or Chama cha Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must be the person who leads the largest party in Parliament, and that person is Raila, like it or not. That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula signed. And they must be knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting with many Kenyans, Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do is to create an enabling environment for national healing and reconciliation. You cannot promote national healing and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the way Mutula and Wetangula are doing. The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big disservice by talking the way they are. Even if we are to show their masters that they deserve the positions they have been given, they must take into account the intelligence of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each other, not more conflict. This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who lives in Nyeri. It endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in Kabartonjo. It makes life difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in eternal peace as brothers and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are spoiling for President Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in history as the person who held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and Wetangulas of this world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk about with confidence into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be easily lost. If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack Mutula and Wetangula for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest counselors to the President, they have chosen to be auctioneers. As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him. Just like Muthama, Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 20:33:55 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] A funny joke with a deeper theological message! Message-ID: <836548.54658.qm@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I first heard it from my son-Daniel- last Friday, and I heard it today, from a different source. Here is the joke. A couple had a tour to Europe from USA. On their return, they decided to pass through the Holy land. Unfortunately, while there, the wife passed away. The man started consultation on where to bury his dear wife! He was given two options: -Either bury his dear wife in the Holy land at $ 500.00 -or transport the body to USA for $ 9,000.00 He requested to sleep with the two ideas. He came back the following day and said that he wanted to transport the remains of his wife to USA. "Why so?" wondered the adviser? And here is where it becomes hilarious! "Because I am told that 2,000 year ago, a man died and was buried in the Holy land but to the surprise of many, he resurrected after three days," answered the man! "I therefore don't want to take any chances," he added! Whoever came up with the joke and for whatever reason, I do not know. One thing that I know, though, is that, in the Holy land, died the man of Galilee, my Lord and Savior, who according to the sure word of God, resurrected on the third day. And because of His death, a sinner like me has a chance to be Saved! I am truly thankful for His great sacrifice! How about you! Blessings. Pr Birai From owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com Sun Mar 8 21:21:26 2009 From: owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com (owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jambo] The DISH Vol. 12 No 10 Message-ID: <20090309012126.783AE176911@treet.ctinetworks.com> Dot's Information Service Hotline "Unbossed and unbought news and information you can use" Visit The DISH online at www.thedish.org Vol. 12 No 10...Dedicated to the Dialogue on Race... 03-08-09 ******************************************************** Table of Contents 1. Venue for an Artist...Hunger...By Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943) 2. Bit of History...Alexis Carrel (1873-1944) 3. News You Use...A Glimpse of the Future...By John Burl Smith 4. Politics Y2K9...Greatest Threats to World Stability: Food, Population and Poverty...By John Burl Smith 5. Hood Notes...Blacks and Hollywood...By John Burl Smith 6. Disgruntled 7. Mailbox ************************************************************ Venue for an Artist Hunger By Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943) I come among the peoples like a shadow. I sit down by each man's side. None sees me, but they look on one another, And know that I am there. My silence is like the silence of the tide that buries the playground of children; like the deepening of frost in the slow night, when birds are dead in the morning. Armies trample, invade, destroy, with guns roaring from earth and air. I am more terrible than armies, I am more feared than the cannon. Kings and chancellors give commands; I give no command to any; but I am listened to more than kings and more than passionate orators. I unswear words, and undo deeds. Naked things know me. I am first and last to be felt of the living. I am hunger. About Me: Born in Lancaster, England, Binyon's first volume of poetry, Lyric Poetry, was published in 1894. During WWI, he served with the Red Cross, visiting the Front in 1916. His "For the Fallen" (1914) contains some of the most famous poetic lines about war and remembrance. Bit of History Alexis Carrel (1873-1944) Born on June 28, 1873 in Lyons, France, Marie Joseph Auguste was the son of Alexis Carrel Billiard and Anne-Marie Ricard. A member of devout Roman Catholic family, upon the death of his father, Marie dropped his baptismal names and took his name at the age five. Alexis attended Jesuit school before attending the University of Lyons. He earned two baccalaureate degrees, one in letters (1889) and one in science (1890). On June 24, 1894, an Italian anarchist assassinated French President Mare-Fran?ois-Sadi Carnot in Lyons. Carrel was appalled that Carnot died because surgeons could not repair his severed portal vein. Carrel showed great talent at dissection and surgery, obtaining his medical degree from the University of Lyons in 1901. While teaching medicine and conducting research, he developed extraordinary skill using embroidery needles, thread and paper. Experimenting on animals with vessel anastomosis, he devised a method to unite cut vessels and revolutionized vascular surgery, making it possible to transplant organs and restore amputated limbs in 1902. Despite Carrel's success as a surgeon, he was not given a faculty position. He was offered a teaching position at the University of Chicago in the Hull Laboratory and immigrated to the United States in September 1904. He authored papers on experiments involving anastomosis of blood vessels and transplantation of the kidney. In 1906, Carrel moved to the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research laboratory in New York City. Carrel's progress in heart and blood vessel surgery and organ transplants laid the foundation for many advances. He demonstrated that blood vessels could be kept in cold storage for long periods of time before transplanting and was the first to cultivate tumor tissue in vitro in 1910. His work also made direct blood transfusions possible at a time when scientists did not know how to prevent blood from clotting. For his pioneering efforts, Carrel won the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine in 1912. On January 17, 1912, he began his legendary experiment of growing live tissue in vitro. Carrel removed a small piece of heart muscle from a chicken embryo and placed it in fresh nutrient medium in a closed Pyrex flask of his design. Repeating this process when the tissue grew too large for its container, Carrel kept the chicken heart alive for twenty years. This experiment laid the foundation for current efforts to grow meat in test-tubes. Carrel returned to France in 1913 where he met and married Anne de la Motte de Meyrie. While there, World War I broke out. Still a French citizen, he was mobilized as a Major in the French Army Medical Corps. Carrel and his wife, a trained surgical nurse, were assigned to a field hospital, and along with Henry Drysdale Dakin, an American chemist, they developed a method of irrigating severely infected wounds and was awarded the Legion of Honour for this work. Carrel returned to the US after the war and collaborated with aviator Charles A. Lindbergh. They designed a special sterilizing glass pump that was used to circulate nutrient fluid around large organs kept in the lab. This perfusion pump, a so-called artificial heart, successfully kept animal organs alive for several days. The apparatus laid the groundwork for future developments in heart-lung machines and other devices. Carrel and Lindbergh jointly published The Culture of Organs, which described the use of the perfusion pump (1938). Carrel published Man, The Unknown in 1935. Carrel posed philosophical questions and theorized that selective breeding could produce an intellectual aristocracy. A worldwide best-seller, it was translated into nineteen languages. His admiration for Mussolini, concern for the "salvation of the white race," as well as his feeling nations should "develop the strong," rather than "protect the weak" disturbed and frightened many. Carrel and Lindbergh (1938) openly believed in "whiteness" and held public discussions to promote "improving the white race." These same racist views were raging unchecked in Germany's third Reich. "We must not forget that the most highly civilized race ? the Scandinavian - is white. In France, the population of the north is far superior to that of the Mediterranean shores," Carrel wrote. Carrel retired and left the US after the start of World War II. He arrived in Paris (1941) as the Vichy government, puppets of the German military, took control. Carrel directed the Foundation for the Study of Human Problems, a front to mask the Vichy and the German military's racism. Carrel advocated the use of gas chambers to rid humanity of "inferior stock." His endorsement cannot be separated from the horrors of the Holocaust. Many argue that Carrel's advocacy of eugenics was responsible for the execution of thousands of mentally ill or impaired patients under the Vichy. When the Allies recaptured France in 1944, the French government accused Carrel of collaborating with the Germans. Unfortunately, Carrel suffered a heart attack before he could be prosecuted. Carrel died of heart failure in Paris on November 5, 1944. Although, his achievements ushered in a new era in medical science and his pioneering techniques paved the way for successful organ transplants and modern heart surgery, Carrel's views on race speaks volumes about the man. He is like many who freely express racist views when talking about those who are defenseless, as well as economically and politically powerless, or sharing the company of those who feel similarly. News You Use A Glimpse of the Future By John Burl Smith A fan, who read my novel, Archangel: A Hip Hop Vision of Love and the Battle of Good Verses Evil published in 2007, sent an email with questions about the plot. She wanted to know if the plot was based on a fiction or did I develop it from current efforts to grow meat in test tubes? Her inquiry was prompted by PETA's offer of $1 million to the first researcher that produced commercially-viable in vitro chicken grown in a lab that could be sold to the public by June 30, 2012. PETA's offer (4-2008) to underwrite "test-tube meat" has rekindled public interest in what seemed like science fiction in 2004 when I began writing Archangel. Like this reader, back then, I was totally unaware of any serious research effort to grow meat in labs. I desired to create a love story shrouded in mystery based on a storyline that would allow me to find my voice as a novelist. I imagined a unique surreal plot in which test-tube meat was a device that opened up aspects of history that the world should not forget. After Archangel was published, I was asked had I gotten my idea from Dr. Henk Haagsman's research. The question drew a total blank. It turned out that Dr. Henk Haagsman was Professor of Meat Sciences at the University of Utrecht, The Netherlands and a pioneer in test-tube meat production. Haagsman, who had already grown meat in vitro, had been given $5 million by the Dutch government to find a way to reduce the cost of turning his test-tube meat into hamburger, sausage, chicken nuggets and pizza topping inexpensively. Learning this was like a page straight out of Archangel. Reviewing Dr. Haagsman's research was d?j? vu. A scientist was getting paid real money for doing what I had dreamed up for a storyline. This was simply amazing, not only were people doing it, there were governments and private businesses willing to spend millions of dollars to make it happen. According to a new economic analysis presented at the In Vitro Meat Symposium in ?s, Norway, (4-2008) growing meat in giant tanks known as bioreactors is a technology now projected to produce enough meat to feed all the people on earth. A spin-off of technology for growing tissues like bone, skin, kidneys and hearts, vat-grown meat has moved from my novel's science fiction imaginings to consumer options. Jason Matheny, a researcher at Johns Hopkins and co-founder of New Harvest, a nonprofit corporation that promotes research on test-tube meat, put it this way, "Growing muscle cells on an industrial scale is the next step. That's the goal and it's clear from this conference that it's achievable." According to Bob Dennis, a biomedical engineer at both North Carolina State University and the University of North Carolina, who attended the conference, "An actual whole muscle organ is not technically impossible today but the general consensus is that minced or ground meat products -- sausage, chicken nuggets, hamburgers -- those are within technical reach. Matheny concluded, "The technology to make those things at scale exist, in this case, we are talking thousands of tons per year." When Archangel hit the market, some readers felt the plot line was a little farfetched even for science fiction, but now with incentives like the PETA offer and the Dutch government's bankroll on the table, test-tube meat is headed to a store near you and to your dinner table. Now the question should be, if that part of my Archangel storyline is "life imitating art," what if the whole plot of Archangel unfolds as the reality? And so it has! As I researched Dr. Alexis Carrel this week, it was d?j? vu once again. My bad guy Nazi in Archangel, Dr. Dasingburg, who develops "New Grub," the test-tube meat in my novel, is a double for Dr. Carrel. Though purely coincidental, having only discovered Carrel this week, the resemblance is uncanny. Only now do the possibilities of a fictionalized novel form a matrix of real life events of the past, present and possibly the future, make Archangel seem prophetic. Against today's backdrop of world hunger and exploding populations, economic crisis and government instability, scarce resources and huge international demand, a growing list of political actors whose tactic of choice for those seeking power is terrorism, my Archangel scenario is more than possible. The world's conditions at the outbreak of World War II ? fascist governments buttressed by racist policies and ideologies juxtaposed against a world of nonwhite people whose numbers grow daily ? are not much different. One can easily envision a Rush Limbaugh as the megaphone of those whose goal is to dominate the world's natural resources, food, water and transportation through population control. The elements are in place, all that is needed is some megalomaniac with the will of an Adolf Hitler to step forward as the savior. Archangel simply raises the alarm as one possible reality. I simply point out our choices; what we do will determine the outcome. (Archangel is available at www.archangelworld.com.) Politics Y2K9 Greatest Threats to World Stability: Food, Population and Poverty By John Burl Smith According to Dennis C. Blair, US director of national intelligence, the global economic crisis poses the greatest threat to world security. This reality is not a surprise in developing nations that are perched on the brink of "food insecurity." However, for countries in Europe and the former Soviet Union now undergoing low-level instability, a deep prolonged recession could lead to revolution. Poverty amid plenty, shrinking birthrates and swelling populations, more rice and more hunger are dichotomies fueling the worldwide threats Mr. Blair envisions. Thomas Robert Malthus' (1766?1834) Essay on the Principle of Population (1798) made the point that while the food supply increases in a arithmetical progression, populations can increase geometrically; therefore population can inevitably outgrows its food supply, resulting in famine. Malthus' reasoning, as it relates to environmental sustainability and economic viability, continues to generate controversy. Colonial expansion, opening up the Americas, Australia and Africa to agriculture seemed to have delayed Malthus' analysis, but the growing numbers of nonwhite people in the developing world and food insecurity put population control into play. Recent World Bank population figures show 1.3 billion people still live in poverty, 840 million suffer from hunger, and 2 billion are malnourished. Asia has 70% of the hungry and 1/2 the developing world's poor live in South Asia. A billion more hungry mouths will be born by 2020. Most Asian countries are growing at an astounding 1.5 to 2.8 percent a year. Its population is projected to increase to 4.8 billion and South Asia will add another 732 million by 2025. Ethiopia is typical of Africa's population woos. Currently, its population, 72 million, is growing at 3% annually; with 44 million, age 24, entering their most reproductive years, there will be 100 million Ethiopians in 15 years. Figures indicate 44% of the people live in poverty. Consider, more than four billion people-- half the world's population-- depend on rice. Rice is the question in Asia. Will there be enough rice? Demand for rice during the next 25 years is expected to increase by 65 percent in the Philippines, 51 percent in Bangladesh, 46 percent in India, 45 percent in Vietnam, and 38 percent in Indonesia. In one generation, for example, the Philippines' population will grow from 75 million to 115 million. But in the future they will have even less land for growing rice as factories, roads, houses, skyscrapers, and parking lots devour fields. In Java alone, 30,000 hectares of agricultural land vanish each year. Not only will land be critical, but the battle over water is fierce as population balloons and economic development intensifies. Governments are likely to continue diverting water from agriculture, giving priority to drinking, sanitation, and industry. Will water for lawns and golf courses trump water for fields? Since the implementation of the Uruguay Round of the WTO Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the inability to protect domestic rice industries has opened up developing countries to the fate of Haiti. As Haiti's domestic market was opened, cheap imported rice flooded the country, driving down prices; farmers abandoned their rice fields seeking employment in urban factories, which destroyed the nation's rice industry. Record high grain prices have put millions of the world's poorest people at risk of starvation. According to the World Food Programme (WFP), as a result of the surge in prices, 80 million Pakistanis suffer food insecurity, while strikes in Argentina, riots in Cameroon, Burkina Faso, Morocco and the Ivory Coast raise the question, will the world turn to fascism and an Adolf Hitler as it did during the 1930s? The Club of Rome -- a premiere think tank of 100 leading scientists, philosophers, political advisors, former politicians and many other influential bureaucrats and technocrats -- issued a report calling for a World Food Authority (WFA) to control world food supply. Spurred by exaggerated fears of environmental collapse and the elitist obsession with population control, the report was a series of articles that described the major conclusions of the 1976 book RIO: Reshaping the International Order: A Report to the Club of Rome. Coordinated by Nobel Laureate Jan Tinbergen, Part 1 opens with "humanistic socialism," which calls for collective neighborhood armies, a fully planned world economy, global free trade, international taxation, a World Treasury, World Central Bank and World Currency. Other goals are the redefinition of sovereignty from "territorial sovereignty" to "functional sovereignty" as well as the concept of "common heritage of mankind" to gain international control of not just the oceans, atmosphere and outer space but also all material and non-material resources. Food as a weapon is seen as "one of the principal tools in our negotiating kit." "Further centralization of food stocks under a single international World Food Authority would liberate the world from the continual nightmares of hunger and malnutrition. Again this all seems right out of Archangel. This line of thinking was considered outrageous when it was proposed by The Club of Rome in 1976. But like the Contract With America introduced by Republicans (1994) and Project for A New American Century (1998) proposed by neo-cons, no one took them serious. Growing populations and growing hunger on the one side and economic crisis and diminishing resources on the other, while weak governments hang in the balance, Director Blair's analysis makes Archangel seem like a prophetic heads up. Hood Notes Blacks and Hollywood By John Burl Smith A DISH reader, Carmen Van Kerckhove, President at www.newdemographic.com, took exception to an "Anderson Cooper 360 Blog at CNN.com guest commentary on Slumdog: A lesson for Hollywood?" The question, posed after "Slumdog Millionare" won eight Oscars on Sunday night, including Best Picture, in addition to the four Golden Globes won earlier this year, "Does its commercial and critical success contradict the long-held conventional wisdom about what does and doesn't sell at the box office." Carmen went on to state and I agree, "The powers-that-be in Hollywood have historically presumed that people of color will happily flock to watch movies featuring white characters, but that "mainstream" ? read "white" ? audiences won't relate to stories about people of color." She followed with this caveat, "Actor Will Smith offered a rare glimpse into the American world of casting a few years ago. While promoting the romantic comedy "Hitch," he told The Birmingham Post, that the decision to cast Latin actress Eva Mendes as his love interest was a deliberate racial calculation on behalf of the studio: ?There's sort of an accepted myth that if you have two black actors, a male and a female, in the lead of a romantic comedy, people around the world don't want to see it. We spent $50-something million making this movie and the studio would think that was tough on their investment. So, the idea of a black actor and a white actress comes up ? that'll work around the world, but it's a problem in the U.S." Another egregious example of this phenomenon she offered was the film "21, based on the non-fiction book Bringing Down the House, a true story about a blackjack team from MIT that bilked casinos of millions of dollars. The actual team was led by Asian-American students, but the film cast almost all of the students as white characters, leading to criticism from the book's author." To put this all in perspective, one must examine the success of Tyler Perry. No film maker today faced greater obstacles than he. Hollywood refused to accept his products as viable, artistically or commercially because of his insistence on using black actors and crews. Perry has posted phenomenal box office success, yet Hollywood still refuses to change it racist bent on making movies staring blacks and using screenplays by black writers unless the material is "whitewashed." Carman's point is well taken about "Slumdog;" however, I say this is an American attitude that extends to all levels of artistic endeavors. The problem begins with control and white people guard the gates. People of color, white Americans can accept; it is slave descendants that whites reject. It is the old Jackie Robinson story, "If we let them in, they will take over." This has been white people's greatest fear since slavery supposedly ended. That is why they cannot acknowledge Tyler Perry's resounding success. "IT'S TOO BLACK!" As the author of a book and screenplay, both of which are based on black characters, I have experienced the same problem, lack of access to the market. Nonetheless, I will persevere. Disgruntled wants to know: This week the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant on Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Darfur region, where thousands have been murdered, maimed, raped and displaced. The three-judge panel did not include genocide among the charges against Bashir due to "insufficient evidence." However, if tried and found guilty of the array of charges against him, Bashir could face life in prison. It should be noted that Sudan, like the United States, does not recognize the ICC's jurisdiction and is unlikely to arrest its sitting head of state. Yet, there is something to be said for the ICC initiative and recognition that heads of government should not be above the law. In the US, we know the government under George W. Bush committed war crimes. So the question is, why hasn't any legal body, domestic or foreign, issued criminal charges against the Bush administration, which w as responsible for killing and displacing millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Disgruntled says: The US, indeed the world, is in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the 1980s, maybe even the Great Depression. Rather than getting behind the new administration, which has been in office less than three months, and try to end this economic morass, the GOP and party faithful that cheered on the domestic and foreign policies of the previous administration that brought us to this impasse are now publicly saying they want President Barack Obama to fail. This lack of patriotism is stunning. Clearly, if President Obama fails, so does the country. Had this level of naysaying and badmouthing of the commander-in-chief occurred during the Bush administration, there would have been witch hunts by mainstream media and those unpatriotic louts would have been blacklisted. Instead, they are receiving non-critical media coverage, even applause in certain quarters. The current economic crisis did not develop overnight. It is ridiculous to blame the Obama administration for the failures that happened on Bush's watch and to pretend more neo-classical economic prescriptions will get us out of this mess is even more ludicrous. We should be shouting down idiots that advance tax cuts for the rich and spending cuts for programs that aid the poor, middle class and unemployed. Disgruntled feels: Genuflected! Rush Limbaugh, a doctor-shopping former hillbilly cocaine addict and illegal Viagra pill popper, has become the voice of the conservative wing of the Republican Party. In fact, since the party's newly elected chairman, Michael Steele, recently genuflected to Rush, we can probably crown the radio talk show host King GOP! Mailbox: E-mails, Faxes and Phone Calls Email mary57whalen at yahoo.ca ...Bilderberger Plot to Control U.S. Food Supply (Infowars)..Obama recently nominated Kansas governor Katherine Sebelius to head up HHS. Sebelius is a Bilderberg member. Recall top-drawer Bilderberg member Henry Kissinger's call for "depopulation," another word for eugenics. National Security Study Memorandum 200, dated April 24, 1974, and entitled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security and overseas interests," calls for world depopulation, specifically in "developing countries." Thomas Ferguson, the Latin American case officer for the State Department's Office of Population Affairs under Kissinger, was speaking bluntly yet honestly when he said: "Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it." Now the Bilderbergers and the Rockefellers have a minion heading up HHS and twin bills in Congress essentially eliminating the FDA and proposi ng a draconian "food protection plan" of bureaucratic rules and regulations that will drive small farmers and food producers, most notably organic food producers out of business under the guise of protecting the public from salmonella and E. coli. Email ngt33 at webtv.net ...Dear Dot: Here's some information about that nutritional supplement I wrote you and the Haitian ladies about. I haven't heard back from them, but I believe this "Plumpy' nut" has potential for Haitian children and the cost is about $20 a month. This is the brainchild of a French scientist and has already saved the lives of many children in Niger. There must be a way to explore the possibilities of plumpy' nut for the Haitian children who now are tragically trying to assuage their hunger with mud pies. Perhaps the Haitian community in Florida has already learned about this amazing supplement. I would be happy to help in any way I can (despite my disability) by raising funds, etc. Alerting The Dish readership might be a way to get the ball rolling if the Haitian ladies are interested. There are so many ways we could help the disaster that Haiti has become. Alternate fuel instead of chopping down all the trees for charcoal--planting as many tree s as possible (a campaign similar to planting trees in Israel). Hungry children everywhere should weigh heavily on our consciences. There must be a way to get at least a modest program started for the starving children of our neighbor, Haiti. 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URL: From jkorig at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 16:43:30 2009 From: jkorig at yahoo.com (john kamau) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder In-Reply-To: <529687.95870.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <148017.89705.qm@web57411.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Have you stopped to think that those who are pushing the Alston line of thought,( by the way who is this miracle man who investigates and judges a nation in ten days after meeting with members of a proscribed group, and self prophesied NGOs.Has he met with HA MAS AND ALGA EDA, which are known older gangs of terror? why Mungiki?? who invited him? what is his motive? or what inspired him? who sponsored him and why?) ,those who stand to gain from the departure of the attorney General and Ali could have done it, and many other intrested and unintrested partiest. Investigations should be allowed to continue with an open mind. this political blame game is driving Kenya to the Dogs.Shrouding the benefits of intellectual and technological? benefits that Kenya is endowed with, Simplistic approach of major national issues?geared towards blaming a people will never wash again?in Kenya and should cease forthwith.For greater national good.--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Nyatawo wrote: From: Nyatawo Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Cc: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:26 AM The fact that their sim cards were taken and the phones smashed not to mention the police behaviour after the is a clear testament of police complicity and duplicity. As far as we do not want to speculate the fact remains that we have a blood thirsty security servinces who for the sake of it. Time he come for this madness to stop otherwise security services may themselves be targets of random revenge attacks. The rule of must be the guiding principle by the police in any civilised society. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Mar 2009, at 13:57, kennedy waweru wrote: it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is very stupid and foolish to even link the president with this. if the government was planning to carry out the murder, i really don't think they would have dared mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them means that even a third party would have seized the golden opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might be your turn. it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. From: odhiambo okecth To: pointb at eastandard.net; progressiveminds ; regionalnews at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media ; siasa ; SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard ; ugandacom ; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Cc: politics at eastandard.net; Publiceye ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA ; research at arrforum.org; smaitawi at yahoogroups.com; SOA at yahoogroups.com; Standard ; systemsthinktank ; Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com; TheBlackList at yahoogroups.com; transparency at tikenya.org; trueblackness at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence ; VOU Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. This is something that is not done by civilized people. When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not resort to brawn. The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all secure. The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing from any quarter must not be acceptable. Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they must all be stopped. May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 22:21:10 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] This is PNU Speaking In-Reply-To: <596845.29265.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554096.69251.qm@web50710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anxiety as top level coalition committee meets By Peter Opiyo East African Standard President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga are walking a tightrope as the committee formed to manage the Grand Coalition Government affairs is summoned tomorrow to discuss growing wrangles in the coalition. Coalition partners ? PNU and ODM ? have lately torn into each other, with one side challenging the other to quit Government if it is not satisfied with the current arrangement.As the top level 14-member committee prepares for the meeting on Tuesday, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta has set the tempo by asking ODM to quit the coalition Government. Speaking in Nyeri, Uhuru dared ODM to quit, claiming they had forced themselves into the Government.In a statement that is likely to cause more friction in the fragile coalition, the Gatundu South MP described ODM "as partners who joined by force a government that already existed".And in an apparent reference to Raila, Uhuru questioned why senior members of the Government were busy criticising it on a daily basis. "If you are number two in the Government, and you keep talking ill of it, what are you telling Kenyans?" Uhuru asked. Shut up or quit Uhuru, who is also the Finance Minister, said ODM should either shut up or quit the Government if they are dissatisfied with its policies."They (ODM) entered the Government by force since Kibaki had already formed one. He accommodated ODM to avoid further violence," the deputy PM said.Speaking at Kangaita Catholic Parish in Tetu, Uhuru said the Government would still run even if ODM pulled out of the coalition. But Justice Minister Martha Karua said Uhuru is seeking to establish a dynasty of the Kenyatta family in Kenya.Ms Karua told Uhuru to seek support across the country, saying name recognition will not confer political advantage in the 2012 presidential race.On Saturday, Uhuru was endorsed by several MPs from central Kenya as the community?s torchbearer to succeed President Kibaki. On Sunday, Karua, who has also declared her interest in the presidency for the 2012 poll, criticised the endorsement when she spoke at Giachimu PCEA Church in Githunguri Kiambu.Karua told Uhuru that his father?s name and reign alone could not help him get national support and win the presidency. "I do not think Kenyans would be enticed to build dynasties," she said Uhuru?s father, Jomo Kenyatta, who died in 1978, was Kenya?s first President between 1963 and 1978. Uhuru is Kenyatta?s youngest son with Mama Ngina. In the past, Karua has said leadership should not be determined by pedigree, class or prominence of family."Every individual must be judged by [their] track record," she said.She said endorsement by MPs does not translate into popular vote, quipping: "I expect to be judged by Kenyans not by the 220 votes in Parliament."Against this backdrop, the 14-member committee will grapple with threats by ODM to pull out of the Government and PNU?s response that "nobody is forcing them to stay in the coalition". Tomorrow?s meeting will also appoint joint secretaries for the committee. Crucial national matter ODM has already forwarded the name of former Canada-based lawyer Miguna Miguna, while PNU has picked former Cabinet Minister Kivutha Kibwana. The meeting will be held at Harambee House.Formed in mid-January by President Kibaki and Raila, the committee was tasked with smoothening the differences between the two coalition partners amid fears it could collapse before 2012.ODM argues that the party has been given a raw deal in the 50-50 power-sharing deal it sealed with its partner PNU, a topic that appears to lace every issue of national concern in the coalition. At the centre of the squabbles are the appointments to top parastatal positions and the military, Administration Police and diplomatic service. The differences seem to manifest in almost every crucial national matter, with the two camps pulling in opposite directions. And with divergent views from some of the top-level committee members themselves, it remains to be seen how the coalition government?s wars would be handled at the meeting. Raila, who heads the ODM team in the committee, on Saturday expressed concern at growing impunity and failure by the State Law Office to uphold criminal justice, terming the judicial system a let down.Coming hot on the heels of the findings of UN special rapporteur on extra-judicial killings, Prof Philip Alston, who called for the resignation of AG Amos Wako and Police Commissioner Maj-Gen Hussein Ali, over extrajudicial killings, the PM said the breakdown in criminal justice is to blame for extrajudicial killings.And last Thursday?s shooting of Oscar Foundation?s director Kamau King?ara, programme officer Paul Oulu and a University of Nairobi student, fanned the embers that have been gradually glowing in the fragile government. PNU?s wish script Some ODM stalwarts, however, fear that pulling out of the coalition would play PNU?s wish script and might be detrimental to its survival. They thus opt to fight from within and call for renegotiation of the National Accord signed by the two principals last year.A further crack in the coalition is the recent proclamation by PNU that Kibaki will not attend a meeting called by former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in Geneva, Switzerland, to review the progress of the Grand Coalition Government. PNU operatives think the ODM team would use the forum, that takes place at the end of the month, to push for a bigger say in the Government, hence its decision that Kibaki should not attend.Coming barely a fortnight after the President read the Riot Act to ministers to observe secrecy of Cabinet affairs, the committee would also be at pains to stop colleagues from taking their affairs to public rallies. Despite the directive, the ministers have torn into each other in public.ODM and PNU have also read from different scripts on electoral reforms that culminated in the defeat of the list of the new commissioners to the Interim Independent Electoral Commission (IIEC) in Parliament last month --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 00:31:57 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] This Murder is well Gone-Forget Prosecutions in Kenya In-Reply-To: <148017.89705.qm@web57411.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <412804.25521.qm@web50712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sometimes I laugh so loudly when I hear Kenyans saying that investigations should be allowed to go on. Again I laugh when I hear Kenyans lamenting and mourning and asking that thorough investigations must be to done and that no stone should be left unturned. Where in KENYA have you ever seen thorough investigations done if the government is involved in any murder or assasination.My friend if the government is involved and more so Kenya government-NOTHING WILL BE DONE..even if you bring in FBI..Scotland Yard e.t.c nothing will be done and no one will be charged. You easily get the line when something like that occurs. First,the security team will blame some unknown figure who wants to tarnish the otherwise good name of the government and then the citizens will be rest assured that investigations are going on. Some funny figures will be arrested if there is too much noise from the public..they will be accused and arraingned in court..that will drive away the public anger and soon the case will be history. The funny figures will be released no evidence. If too serious then a Commission of inquiry will be formed and told not to find anyone guilty..the Commission will recommend that further investigations are needed and hand over its report back to the police. That will be the end of the case. This trend has occured in the Killings of Pio Gama Pinto..Tom Mboya..JM Kariuki..Robert Ouko..Odhiambo Mbai and many others..So anyone who still believe that Kenyan CID will investigate and find the killers is daydreaming..they have never found a single killer in all the assasinations in Kenya.Kenya is FAILED STATE and now on its knees. You know who has brought KENYA to its knees..... --- On Mon, 3/9/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:43 AM > Have you stopped to think that those who are pushing the > Alston line of thought,( by the way who is this miracle man > who investigates and judges a nation in ten days after > meeting with members of a proscribed group, and self > prophesied NGOs.Has he met with HA MAS AND ALGA EDA, which > are known older gangs of terror? why Mungiki?? who invited > him? what is his motive? or what inspired him? who sponsored > him and why?) ,those who stand to gain from the departure of > the attorney General and Ali could have done it, and many > other intrested and unintrested partiest. Investigations > should be allowed to continue with an open mind. this > political blame game is driving Kenya to the Dogs.Shrouding > the benefits of intellectual and technological? benefits > that Kenya is endowed with, Simplistic approach of major > national issues?geared towards blaming a people will never > wash again?in Kenya and should cease forthwith.For greater > national good.--- On Sun, 3/8/09, > Nyatawo wrote: > > From: Nyatawo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: This is cold blood murder > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > > Cc: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > The fact that their sim cards were taken and the phones > smashed not to mention the police behaviour after the is a > clear testament of police complicity and duplicity. As far > as we do not want to speculate the fact remains that we have > a blood thirsty security servinces who for the sake of it. > Time he come for this madness to stop otherwise security > services may themselves be targets of random revenge > attacks. The rule of must be the guiding principle by the > police in any civilised society. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 6 Mar 2009, at 13:57, kennedy waweru > wrote: > > > > > > > it is not wise for anybody to assume that the government > did it. even a wise man would have jumped on the opportunity > to kill them knowing what people, like you are doing, will > think. mutua said that they were gathering enough evidence > to take legal action...where did he say to murder? and it is > very stupid and foolish to even link the president with > this. if the government was planning to carry out the > murder, i really don't think they would have dared > mention oscar as a suspect...they would have killed them and > act surprised. the fact that the government spoke about them > means that even a third party would have seized the golden > opportunity to smear mud on the gover (not that the gover is > clean in any way). all i am saying is, let us watch what > kind of accusations we throw around...one day it just might > be your turn. > > it is such assumptions that lead to civil dissorder and > ethnic hatred bana. please guys stop doing such kind of > mathematics coz it does not always add up. yes, let > investigations be done, but don't start throwing blame. > > > > > > From: odhiambo okecth > To: pointb at eastandard.net; progressiveminds > ; > regionalnews at ppa.or.ke; Royal Media > ; siasa > ; > SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com; Sunday Standard > ; ugandacom > ; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Cc: politics at eastandard.net; Publiceye > ; HERU BENNU AMEN RA > ; > research at arrforum.org; smaitawi at yahoogroups.com; > SOA at yahoogroups.com; Standard > ; systemsthinktank > ; Ta_Seti at yahoogroups.com; > TheBlackList at yahoogroups.com; transparency at tikenya.org; > trueblackness at yahoogroups.com; citizens against violence > ; VOU > > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 10:59:21 AM > Subject: [YP_Ke] This is cold blood murder > > > > > > I want to strongly condemn the murder yesterday of Mr > King'ara and Oulu GPO both of Oscar Foundation. > > This is something that is not done by civilized people. > When you disagree with ones ideas, you discuss. You do not > resort to brawn. > > The murder of the duo came shortly after Alfred Mutua, he > who talks on behalf of the President of Kenya, made it so > clear that they will be dealing with Oscar Foundation > decisively shortly. And shortly thereafter, King'ara was > felled in a hail of bullets in an area that seems all > secure. > > The death of the duo must not go in vain. Kenyans must wake > up and demand that justice be done. Extra judicial killing > from any quarter must not be acceptable. > > Unlike KNHRC that only condemns extra judicial killings by > the police, Kenyans must condemn all extra judicial > killings; from the police, from mungiki, from SLDF, from > chinkororo, from the thugs. They are all killers and they > must all be stopped. > > May the Almighty God grant the duo eternal rest. And may He > call to His service the people who killed these two Kenyans. > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 00:39:23 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] To Move to the Next Level, We Must Isolate bad leaders In-Reply-To: <596845.29265.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <315452.57151.qm@web50706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To move to the next level, we must isolate bad leaders By Edward Kisiang?ani (From Standard Newspaper) A critical question which is frequently being asked nowadays is whether our country has lost the war against corruption. Despite public complaints, the Government has adopted a lethargic approach to the problem. The apparent unwillingness to punish corrupt individuals has bred a dangerous culture of impunity. Recent experiences show that the situation could be moving from bad to worse. There is thus a sense in which the citizens of this country might be forgiven for concluding that the fight against corruption has already been lost. But to understand why we find ourselves in the current predicament, characterised by hopelessness, it will be prudent to take a look at the political genesis of the crisis. Culture Of Corruption The ominous culture of corruption was institutionalised by the first African Government led by Jomo Kenyatta. Under Kenyatta, the seeds of ethnic chauvinism were planted when he dished out large tracts of land to his Kikuyu people and preferred to run a government dominated by personnel from Central Kenya. By doing this, Kenyatta created the regrettable impression that occupants of political and Civil Service positions were supposed to exploit their ranks in favour of personal and ethnic interests. This attitude has not changed. Kenyatta?s deliberate Kikuyunisation of the Public Service hoodwinked the people of the Mt Kenya region to look at themselves as a special breed of citizens. Besides, the Gema community was misled to nurture a false sense of entitlement to virtually all the opportunities and resources of the nation. Consequently, Gema operatives established corrupt cartels which regulated the distribution of the country?s resources and employment opportunities. Increasingly, it became difficult for citizens outside Mt Kenya to be served without first giving bribes. Under Daniel Moi, the situation deteriorated further when corrupt cartels from the Kalenjin community emerged with the sole aim of displacing the Kikuyu from the centre of political and economic power. When Mwai Kibaki took power in 2003, the deadly cells of corruption from the Mt Kenya region were, ostensibly, resurrected to reclaim their former positions. For the past six years, these cartels have been associated with various corruption scandals. It has been a vicious cycle of sorts. But the trend shows that next time we have a Turkana President, corrupt cartels from the Turkana community will begin looting the country?s resources. And may be the Turkana will begin viewing themselves as special citizens too. On their part, the citizens of this country have contributed to the problem of corruption by voting in leaders with a stinking past. But the most important reason why we have lost the war on corruption is the Constitution. Constitutional weaknesses have also been blamed for the poor distribution of the country?s resources as well as employment opportunities. President Kibaki?s recent decision to reappoint Amos Kimunya to the Cabinet is a fine example of our constitutional anomalies. Even after Parliament had passed a Motion of censure and a vote of no confidence against Kimunya, the President went ahead and reappointed the Kipipiri legislator as Minister for Trade. Under the current laws, the President is not obliged to consult anybody before appointing anyone to a public office. Public appointments If the Constitution had allowed other branches of Government to vet public appointments made by the President, some of the corrupt ministers and Civil Servants would not be endorsed. The fight against corruption will only be won if the constitution is changed to allow the Judiciary and Legislature to vet Executive appointments so that corrupt individuals are excluded from public life. Furthermore, the present constitutional dispensation recognises a unitary and highly centralised model of government that empowers the Executive to have limitless access to the country?s resources. Under the system, Kenyatta and Moi, alienated public land in favour of their friends and communities. The Mau Forest settlement, the grabbing of prisons? land in Kitale and the seizure of both the Karura and Ngong Forest land epitomised the Executive abuse of power during the Moi administration. The principle of separation of powers among the three branches of Government ? the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary ? has been thoroughly adulterated. Elected Members of Parliament have often invaded the Executive domain by serving as Ministers. Recently, I proposed that we adopt a presidential system with a federal constitution. My argument then, and now, was that such system would appropriately provide for a dignified balance of power amongst the three branches of Government. Because of the regional imbalances, facilitated by a powerful Executive under a unitary disposition of government, I also proposed that Kenya adopts a federal constitution. This model will allow us to establish a relatively strong central government that shares power with provincial or state legislatures. Sovereignty will thus be constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units (majimbo). To ensure that individuals do not serve in more than one branch of government, elected Members of Parliament should never be appointed ministers. Ministers should be chosen from a non-partisan group of qualified citizens whose elevation should be ratified by Parliament. The President too should not be an elected Member of Parliament, representing a geographical constituency. This arrangement will strengthen our institutions, fight poverty, enhance accountability and reduce corruption in the public service. Chocking on disease As we ponder the Goldenberg rip-off, the Anglo-Leasing scam, the Triton scandal and the maize crisis, we must collectively admit that we are a sick nation suffering from the debilitating disease of corruption. We should thus seek urgent treatment or choose to die. Corruption has killed our spirit and undermined our hopes. It has mutilated our patriotism and destroyed our economy. Corruption has bred famine and starvation. It has given us bad leaders and weakened our national institutions. Corruption is the reason we are poor and miserable. Whatever happens, we must remain focused on the reform agenda so this vice is eventually neutralized. It should not matter to us who takes power in 2012. As long as the current constitution remains in place, corruption will continue to be a way of life in Kenya. We must thus seize the opportunity to change the Constitution to write laws that will comprehensively facilitate the fight against corruption. This is the only we can secure our children?s? future and our country?s place in the civilised world. Dr Kisiang?ani teaches History and Political Studies at Kenyatta University. kisiangani2007@ gmail.com --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From mmagiri at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 9 00:51:18 2009 From: mmagiri at yahoo.co.uk (Murithi Magiri) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 04:51:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: This is PNU Speaking Message-ID: <321955.34751.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Honestly i'm tired of kenyan politics. No wonder Africa will never achieve meaningful development. If you are politicking everyday when will you ever think about strategy? At this rate we will always be poor and blame it on gods. Magiri ?To live means to suffer. In this world,? a degree of suffering is unavoidable? Buddha --- On Mon, 9/3/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] This is PNU Speaking To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 2:21 AM Anxiety as top level coalition committee meets By Peter Opiyo East African Standard President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga are walking a tightrope as the committee formed to manage the Grand Coalition Government affairs is summoned tomorrow to discuss growing wrangles in the coalition. Coalition partners ? PNU and ODM ? have lately torn into each other, with one side challenging the other to quit Government if it is not satisfied with the current arrangement.As the top level 14-member committee prepares for the meeting on Tuesday, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta has set the tempo by asking ODM to quit the coalition Government. Speaking in Nyeri, Uhuru dared ODM to quit, claiming they had forced themselves into the Government.In a statement that is likely to cause more friction in the fragile coalition, the Gatundu South MP described ODM "as partners who joined by force a government that already existed".And in an apparent reference to Raila, Uhuru questioned why senior members of the Government were busy criticising it on a daily basis. "If you are number two in the Government, and you keep talking ill of it, what are you telling Kenyans?" Uhuru asked. Shut up or quit Uhuru, who is also the Finance Minister, said ODM should either shut up or quit the Government if they are dissatisfied with its policies."They (ODM) entered the Government by force since Kibaki had already formed one. He accommodated ODM to avoid further violence," the deputy PM said.Speaking at Kangaita Catholic Parish in Tetu, Uhuru said the Government would still run even if ODM pulled out of the coalition. But Justice Minister Martha Karua said Uhuru is seeking to establish a dynasty of the Kenyatta family in Kenya.Ms Karua told Uhuru to seek support across the country, saying name recognition will not confer political advantage in the 2012 presidential race.On Saturday, Uhuru was endorsed by several MPs from central Kenya as the community?s torchbearer to succeed President Kibaki. On Sunday, Karua, who has also declared her interest in the presidency for the 2012 poll, criticised the endorsement when she spoke at Giachimu PCEA Church in Githunguri Kiambu.Karua told Uhuru that his father?s name and reign alone could not help him get national support and win the presidency. "I do not think Kenyans would be enticed to build dynasties," she said Uhuru?s father, Jomo Kenyatta, who died in 1978, was Kenya?s first President between 1963 and 1978. Uhuru is Kenyatta?s youngest son with Mama Ngina. In the past, Karua has said leadership should not be determined by pedigree, class or prominence of family."Every individual must be judged by [their] track record," she said.She said endorsement by MPs does not translate into popular vote, quipping: "I expect to be judged by Kenyans not by the 220 votes in Parliament."Against this backdrop, the 14-member committee will grapple with threats by ODM to pull out of the Government and PNU?s response that "nobody is forcing them to stay in the coalition". Tomorrow?s meeting will also appoint joint secretaries for the committee. Crucial national matter ODM has already forwarded the name of former Canada-based lawyer Miguna Miguna, while PNU has picked former Cabinet Minister Kivutha Kibwana. The meeting will be held at Harambee House.Formed in mid-January by President Kibaki and Raila, the committee was tasked with smoothening the differences between the two coalition partners amid fears it could collapse before 2012.ODM argues that the party has been given a raw deal in the 50-50 power-sharing deal it sealed with its partner PNU, a topic that appears to lace every issue of national concern in the coalition. At the centre of the squabbles are the appointments to top parastatal positions and the military, Administration Police and diplomatic service. The differences seem to manifest in almost every crucial national matter, with the two camps pulling in opposite directions. And with divergent views from some of the top-level committee members themselves, it remains to be seen how the coalition government?s wars would be handled at the meeting. Raila, who heads the ODM team in the committee, on Saturday expressed concern at growing impunity and failure by the State Law Office to uphold criminal justice, terming the judicial system a let down.Coming hot on the heels of the findings of UN special rapporteur on extra-judicial killings, Prof Philip Alston, who called for the resignation of AG Amos Wako and Police Commissioner Maj-Gen Hussein Ali, over extrajudicial killings, the PM said the breakdown in criminal justice is to blame for extrajudicial killings.And last Thursday?s shooting of Oscar Foundation?s director Kamau King?ara, programme officer Paul Oulu and a University of Nairobi student, fanned the embers that have been gradually glowing in the fragile government. PNU?s wish script Some ODM stalwarts, however, fear that pulling out of the coalition would play PNU?s wish script and might be detrimental to its survival. They thus opt to fight from within and call for renegotiation of the National Accord signed by the two principals last year.A further crack in the coalition is the recent proclamation by PNU that Kibaki will not attend a meeting called by former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in Geneva, Switzerland, to review the progress of the Grand Coalition Government. PNU operatives think the ODM team would use the forum, that takes place at the end of the month, to push for a bigger say in the Government, hence its decision that Kibaki should not attend.Coming barely a fortnight after the President read the Riot Act to ministers to observe secrecy of Cabinet affairs, the committee would also be at pains to stop colleagues from taking their affairs to public rallies. Despite the directive, the ministers have torn into each other in public.ODM and PNU have also read from different scripts on electoral reforms that culminated in the defeat of the list of the new commissioners to the Interim Independent Electoral Commission (IIEC) in Parliament last month --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > >? ? ??? > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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As I traveled to work this morning, I grabbed myself a copy of the newspaper and turned on the pages, the article by Koigi attracted my eyes. I delved into fully reading it and read through it noting what light Koigi was throwing the way of his intended readers. I concur with him to a large extent guys....if you disgaree please give us a way forward as a Nation. We have sold our birthtright as Kenyans....selling the future of our children for a glass of chang'aa, Kshs 20, 500, by electing the very same leaders we complain have stolen from the public coffers.....when during election time, we're easily bought to support the political course of an individual, based not on vision, past performance, campaign agenda! I honestly feel *we as a people* can set the pace for the 2012 election outcome...if we want to! We can.....We can elect a "*sheep*" to lead us this time round instead of a "*hyena*". Some tribe is not your/my enemy, we're are our own enemies by not doing that which is right and we ought to do...electing the good leaders into office! We make the wrong decisions by simply allowing the "hyenas" to control us! The poor in Kenya are well guilty of their poverty as well as the leaders......come 2012, I believe we shall still elect the same old people who have been implicated with the oil, maize, goldenberg, grand regency scandals! For some reason, I really don't know who will save our country....us the citizens or our leaders....it is up to you to decide! God has given us the skills and talents to get rid of our problems and the desicion to make...to chose good leaders and shun bad leaders...He has done his part guys..... My two cents....and I stand to be challenged! Always Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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In-Reply-To: <538847.72407.qm@web90601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <538847.72407.qm@web90601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mr John Kamau, I am disappointed, very disappointed in you. So what was your agenda? To tell us that Kibaki has failed, but Raila too has failed?? So what? Are you trying to justify Kibaki's failure by Raila's failures? First, I am ODM and with no apologies. But I also have to admit that ODM has failed terribly, moreso, the ODM MPs. Infact, today, if elections were to be called, I'd not even think of voting. Now, I hope you have not forgotten the circumstaces that this government was formed. I don't hold brief for Raila but I can feel what he's going through. But he has to carry his cross since his signature is on that "sh*t" of paper. Bonfas is not saying that Raila is an angel. What everyone is saying is that all the leaders are failures to this nation. That's why I am very disappointed that you are trying to "Cleanse" Kibaki using Raila's failures. All of us know who won the elections and what happened after. So, don't try to clean up your tribesman's arse!!!!! On Mar 9, 2:38?am, charles maina wrote: > Hey guys, i had the courage to talk cooment about this topic. > > Me am born a Kikuyu and brought up in Limuru, am now in Sweden and i lived in bELGIUM FOR 4 YEARS. > > It is in abroad that i came to know that your tribe is the one that cna bring you down. > > My Best friend now is a Luo, Davis from Ugenya, Luos showed him fireworks when he came to Germany at only 21 years they wated to use him n dump him for cooking to them washing their cars and they they could talk bad to him to girls (including Kenyan girls that he has not had sex for 2years as he is poor). > > Me Kikuyus in Belgium were even worse, b4 ma tax card and work permit was processed, i used their tax crd and some of them even didnt give me a penny, just imagine in winter, huna food, huna hau, huna train ticket so ukimarwa na wasee wa train bill inaongezeka, n they could use my money that i worked 2drink, goin round with those very brown and beautiful Tanzanian gals, n lol 1 kikuyu guy could have 5 tanzanian gal n he can give at least 1. They we especially going for Chagaa gals and malangi tribe gals as they are very beautiful. > na pesa ikingia kwa account yake anagawa yote ama anafiunga simu, mie naachwa kwa snow. > > The story is the same in England, kwanza huko ndio kuworse afadhali in other European countries. Kenyans in England are ANIMALS, heartless ata ur cousin ataku2pa nje. > > Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Germany and Holand. as u hv been 2these countries by train as theya are all neighbours. > > Mr Owgri , please le me tell u a gud person is gud, leave the tribe tag aside. If u want 2experiment, go 2Germany as there are many Luos there, You will tell me how they will treat u or If ur Kyuk go England, Denmark, Sweden, Finland n Belgium, see how those Kyuks will be NUTS 2U. > > 4Kibaki, this guy is a a Manager not a Politician, he is also very Soft 4Kenya, Even Kalonzo can be a little hardcore than Him. He is unable even 2tame his Wife,. Kibaki can be a gud model of Western Europe Prime Ministers (EXCEPT CRAZY ENGLAND) where they are Soft people and self drivn. > > The kikuyu mafia, they eat with their kids. Last Statistics showed that Central province was having the greatest gap between rich and poor is bcoz of these self centered n greedy guys they dont eat n divide with all Kyuk. even Wakalles were broke as some Moi mafia eat alone. > > So guy it is better 2value personality over tribalism > > lets be like USA youth, they chose OBAMA even when their GRand parents were shouting to them 2vote 4MCcain as future belongs to the youth people and they are the one to decide their destiny. > > Maina, SWEDEN. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, John Kamau wrote: > > > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 12:45 PM > > Mr., Owinga, > > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > > that of all other looters working with him even though they > > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > > about the destruction of life and property that we all > > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > > would start seeing things for what they are. > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > > wrote: > > > From: owinga bonfas > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > > brought Kenya to its Knees > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > > then you are aware > > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > > working under a very > > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > > that he should make, > > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > > important than national > > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > > has "YOUR DULY > > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > > Killings..Where is your President > > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > > wash..We know that Kibaki > > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > > blame where it > > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > > scandal and many > > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > > that he spoke the same > > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > > country by brainwashing > > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > > failed state because of > > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > > to believe that > > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > > sad that a group of > > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > > knees..very sad John > > Kamau...very sad... > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > > wrote: > > > > From: john kamau > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > > To: "young" > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > > hail > > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > > that > > > have become part of the system.. > > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > > news > > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > > the > > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > > Same > > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > > heinous > > > crime; says Raila. > > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > > neither > > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > > run > > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > > is > > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > > THIS IS > > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > > let me > > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > > MOSES. > > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From wahomers at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 02:58:06 2009 From: wahomers at yahoo.com (ROSE WAHOME) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees Message-ID: <684585.64915.qm@web45409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It really saddens me anytime i see mails that are tribal on this forum. Why do we always like protecting our tribal leaders even when we know they are not clean? All i have to say is, i believe our government, that is the coalition has failed us. It doesnt matter who said what, the fact remains they are in the same government, hold talks, and cabinet meetings together, which we never know anything about.? The COALITION GOVERNMENT,i insist has failed to protect us, not just from the police, but even hunger, lack of fuel........E.T.C --- On Sun, 3/8/09, John Kamau wrote: From: John Kamau Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 12:45 PM Mr., Owinga, May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage you negatively but I hope we can both do this without throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and that of all other looters working with him even though they are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, orchestrated or planned wickedness. We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring about the destruction of life and property that we all witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. He does not seem to have used either one very much for the benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of genocide or to kick start the process for a new constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. So how about leaving whole communities out of this and dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we would start seeing things for what they are. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > To: "young" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > Another sad day for Kenya, > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > have become part of the system.. > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > crime; says Raila. > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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All these crooks calling themselves leaders have to nothing to offer Kenyans other than creating a cess pool of tribalism venom where many of our fellow citizens drink from and then go out and kill in the name of tribe. Raila does not help Luos, Kibaki?has never ?helped ordinary Kikuyus and?Moi never helped ordinary Kalenjins.? These people are in government for themselves. Even the noise ODM is making is a lot of rubbish and will not wash. As a people we have alot going for us than when we are balkanised?by these twisted lot. We must realise that Uhuru Raila , Kibakis and Kalonzos will be no more if we reject them?entirely.?It is time we?realize that unless we unite as a people and kick all these twisted people into the political wilderness, the problems?our collective problems will continue. I would rather vote in Githongo into office and kick Raila out. At least?he has shown?us what leadership is all about.???? ________________________________ From: charles maina To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 11:38:10 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Your own tribe is the one that eats you. Hey guys, i had the courage to talk cooment about this topic. Me am born a Kikuyu and brought up in Limuru, am now in Sweden and i lived in bELGIUM FOR 4 YEARS. It is in abroad that i came to know that your tribe is the one that cna bring you down. My Best friend now is a Luo, Davis from Ugenya, Luos showed him fireworks when he came to Germany at only 21 years they wated to use him n dump him for cooking to them washing their cars and they they could talk bad to him to girls (including Kenyan girls that he has not had sex for 2years as he is poor). Me Kikuyus in Belgium were even worse, b4 ma tax card and work permit was processed, i used their tax crd and some of them even didnt give me a penny, just imagine in winter, huna food, huna hau, huna train ticket so ukimarwa na wasee wa train bill inaongezeka, n they could use my money that i worked 2drink, goin round with those very brown and beautiful Tanzanian gals, n lol 1 kikuyu guy could have 5 tanzanian gal n he can give at least 1. They we especially going for Chagaa gals and malangi tribe gals as they are very beautiful. na pesa ikingia kwa account yake anagawa yote ama anafiunga simu, mie naachwa kwa snow. The story is the same in England, kwanza huko ndio kuworse afadhali in other European countries. Kenyans in England are ANIMALS, heartless ata ur cousin ataku2pa nje. Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Germany and Holand. as u hv been 2these countries by train as theya are all neighbours. Mr Owgri , please le me tell u a gud person is gud, leave the tribe tag aside. If u want 2experiment, go 2Germany as there are many Luos there, You will tell me how they will treat u or If ur Kyuk go England, Denmark, Sweden, Finland n Belgium, see how those Kyuks will be NUTS 2U. 4Kibaki, this guy is a a Manager not a Politician, he is also very Soft 4Kenya, Even Kalonzo can be a little hardcore than Him. He is unable even 2tame his Wife,. Kibaki can be a gud model of Western Europe Prime Ministers (EXCEPT CRAZY ENGLAND) where they are Soft people and self drivn. The kikuyu mafia, they eat with their kids. Last Statistics showed that Central province was having the greatest gap between rich and poor is bcoz of these self centered n greedy guys they dont eat n divide with all Kyuk. even Wakalles were broke as some Moi mafia eat alone. So guy it is better 2value personality over tribalism lets be like USA youth, they chose OBAMA even when their GRand parents were shouting to them 2vote 4MCcain as future belongs to the youth people and they are the one to decide their destiny. Maina, SWEDEN. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 12:45 PM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > >? ? ? > > > >? ? ? > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From barryblacks at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 04:02:01 2009 From: barryblacks at gmail.com (barry macharia) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:02:01 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <811872.56223.qm@web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: guys can we stop all the noise we are making on behalf of the two clowns coz belive me they dont give a@@#$ about anybody part from them so forget about politicians that are currently in parliament we should come together and think of making this country a btter place without hate but love thank you, duly elected or not the two can go to hell and i will not miss them cheers guys On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Mugo wrote: > Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how > John Kamau voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO!! > > "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the killings"-but is this > enough?He blames the government-the same government he is part of!!! > > "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same > language as them."-isnt this a case of the pot calling the kettle > black???KUWA SERIOUS..... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owinga bonfas > *To:* youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM > *Subject:* [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya > to its Knees > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are > aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop > spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the > changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are > more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking > about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your > President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know > that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the > same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by > brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed > state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad > that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance. Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- barryblacks.......get back 2 me --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From josiah.ogalo at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 04:03:47 2009 From: josiah.ogalo at gmail.com (josiah ogalo) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:03:47 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <811872.56223.qm@web50704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181c75910903090103t202ec16lfe490d992860c4a7@mail.gmail.com> Owinga Et al, I think some topics do not bring the best out of this forum despite our good intentions! Our country still grapples with problems of *grand corruption*, *food insecurity*, *deterioration of the rule of law, bad leadership*, *poor environmental policy implementation*, *land problems among others*.......If you speak among these lines we shall all be willing to join your debate and take it forward constructively! Otherwise discussing individuals here doesn't really make the matter any better....BUT THIS ONE THING I CAN SAY, WE HAVE THE CHOICE IN OUR HANDS COME 2012 TO CHOSE GOOD LEADERSHIP THAT WILL HELP CHANGE OUR COUNTRY.....Do you realize this fact and ready to take the revolutionary step of ensuring you vote next time a leader that this country needs? The choice if ours and the consequences shall be upon our heads for years ahead! Regards Josiah Ogalo On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Eugenia Mugo wrote: > Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how > John Kamau voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO!! > > "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the killings"-but is this > enough?He blames the government-the same government he is part of!!! > > "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same > language as them."-isnt this a case of the pot calling the kettle > black???KUWA SERIOUS..... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owinga bonfas > *To:* youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM > *Subject:* [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya > to its Knees > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are > aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop > spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the > changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are > more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking > about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your > President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know > that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the > same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by > brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed > state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad > that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance. Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From naamangichunge at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 04:10:12 2009 From: naamangichunge at yahoo.com (naaman gichunge) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <283586.9695.qm@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> owinga bonfas please and please again?be a kenyan and not a tribalists.talk like a kenyan and not a luo man.God created created man and woman.but these bounderies we have created we ourselves.we don't want to? shed blood again.tongue is a small organ but can cause many problems.but when problems arises, it is always hiden.please preach peace and not tribal issues. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Eugenia Mugo wrote: From: Eugenia Mugo Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:49 AM Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. ? "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how John Kamau voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO!! ? "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the killings"-but is this enough?He blames the government-the same government he is part of!!! ? "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them."-isnt this a case of the pot calling the kettle black???KUWA SERIOUS..... From: owinga bonfas To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > To: "young" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > Another sad day for Kenya, > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > have become part of the system.. > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > crime; says Raila. > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > >? ? ? > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Euginia Mugo whats the anger for!hey!hey!wacha ukabila evrybody can c that!enda pole pole mama1! this is kenya we are trying to do away with people like u wacha hasira ya UKABILA gal!Sometimes lets face the truth! ahaha am suprised people like u still think along tribal lines plzz.Argue with educative facts not using bad language we are all Kenyans under Raila and Kibaki IF U 4GOT THAT GET IT!. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Eugenia Mugo wrote: > From: Eugenia Mugo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:49 AM > Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID > ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how John Kamau > voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT > TOO!! > > "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the > killings"-but is this enough?He blames the > government-the same government he is part of!!! > > "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same language as them."-isnt this a > case of the pot calling the kettle black???KUWA SERIOUS..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: owinga bonfas > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE > and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and > put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a > very tight condition where he has no powers to make the > changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his > family matters are more important than national matters. > Since the killings you are talking about occured has > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by > blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has > failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him > for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. > Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by > masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's > leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a > group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > >? ? ? > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 05:49:48 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Kenya Club The Mungiki Documentary on NTV In-Reply-To: <80207.14228.qm@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <395754.91118.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mr Njuguna, I am one of the view that all criminal gangs must be eliminated; but in accordance with the law. Let the police, through the CID do their work, investigate these guys, have evidence against them, and take them to court. Killing a mungiki on sight will be open to gross abuse by the same police. When I defend the police, I do not condone wanton killings of any Kenyans. I would advocate for due process where the courts uphold the integrity of the law. This is a serious threat to the Kenyan Nation, and as much as the consequences are annoying, let us have some semblance of decorum and respect to our laws. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: Kenya Club The Mungiki Documentary on NTV To: africa.journal at reuters.com, africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, akipkemboi at eastandard.net, annah_sidigu at yahoo.com, "bbc" , "BBC" , "ccr" , "cnn" , editor at nation.co.ke, editors at newsweek.com, "kol" , letters at eastandard.net, mailbox at nation.co.ke, "Judy Miriga" , "mulembe" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, news at ktnkenya.com, "White House U.S.A." , "youthagenda" Cc: "africa-oped" , afrocentrikworld at yahoogroups.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , grono007 at yahoo.com, "jaluo" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "mwananchi" , next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "David ochwangi" , "panafricanist" , publiceyet at aol.com, "ugandacom" Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:12 AM ? There was a captivating documentary about the mayhem mungiki has visited upon the Kikuyu on NTV on Saturday after the 7pm news. I only hope the KNCHR and other mungiki supporters saw the documentary for them to know the full extent of how brutal mungiki has been. I watched my people give their stories in fear. They had many scars to show for mungiki mayhem. They had wounds they live with, wounds afflicted upon them by mungiki. They have graves littered across the ridges of Murang?a, graves of young men killed by mungiki, killed for apparently no reason.. Young men killed so brutally, their heads chopped off, their private parts ripped off. And these are the people KNCHR defends with such passion. These are the people some NGO activists are defending against the police. These are the people UN can support. I wish the Nation can do that documentary again, and inform the country that they are doing so, so that those mungiki at KNCHR can watch what they are supporting. I only wish the Police can move into the offices of KNCHR and round all those mungiki supporters and spray them with live bullets. I cannot stand the images I saw on TV. Old men and women living in fear of mungiki, living without their sons, all killed by mungiki. And yet KNCHR can tell us about the Human Rights of Mungiki. Are the people whose heads mungiki chopped off animals? Are the people whose private parts mungiki ate animals? Do they also suffer any Human Rights? I would want Hassan Omar to answer me. Can he face the people of Murang?a and confidently defend the Human Rights of the mungiki? He will be stoned on the spot. As we condole the death of those officials from Oscar Foundation, if the truth is that they are Mungiki supporters, then, we must not defend their execution. Mungiki kills mercilessly, chops off the head and rips off ones private parts. No sane man or woman can defend mungiki whatsoever. The Kikuyu of Murang?a know exactly what mungiki can do. They know how brutal mungiki is. Any one who can kill 10 mungikis daily can be a real God send to the Kikuyu people. Mungiki must not be defended whatsoever. Mungiki must be killed on sight. And the Kenya Police must move with speed to kill all these people on sight. ? Kamau J Njuguna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Members | Calendar Post message: kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com Subscribe:? kenyaclub-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe:? kenyaclub-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com List owner:? kenyaclub-owner at yahoogroups.com MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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The fellow happened to have some issue with one of the legs. Hence the reason for taking time! I was rather disappointed to see one of the cashier's laughing and even making funny of it. I know that we all, hopefully, learned this at kindergarten, but perhaps need to remind ourselves again. Allow me to share personal experience and at the same time make some suggestions! -As you are aware, cashiers are supposed to scan any item that the customers have in their carts. But from time to time, I have caught both men and women laughing at me especially when I am scanning some of the women clothes. -It's not fair to laugh at someone with some kind of disability -Do not laugh at the way someone is talking or even try to show that you have hard time understanding the person -Do not laugh at someones tragedy/misfortune -Do not laugh when you hear that so and so has been fired/laid off -Do not laugh when someone has divorced -Do not laugh at God's overweight children -Do not laugh at someones religion or beliefs -Let us avoid laughing when one of us-friend, neighbor, fellow student, workmate and what have you is in trouble -Do not laugh off the request or appeal to you to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior In brief, in all that we think and do, let us apply the golden rule. Shall we? Just a thought. Pr Birai From kasikatim at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 04:47:08 2009 From: kasikatim at yahoo.com (Timothy Kasika) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees Message-ID: <666817.82811.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, ? Are we really in the same country where peace and respect for one another should be adhered to? check countries like Rwanda and Sudan..do we yearn to be like them? we need to be ambassadors of love, lets retain our intergrity and promote peace and togetherness. ? Regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, naaman gichunge wrote: From: naaman gichunge Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:10 AM owinga bonfas please and please again?be a kenyan and not a tribalists.talk like a kenyan and not a luo man.God created created man and woman.but these bounderies we have created we ourselves.we don't want to? shed blood again.tongue is a small organ but can cause many problems.but when problems arises, it is always hiden.please preach peace and not tribal issues. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Eugenia Mugo wrote: From: Eugenia Mugo Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:49 AM Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. ? "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how John Kamau voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO!! ? "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the killings"-but is this enough?He blames the government-the same government he is part of!!! ? "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them."-isnt this a case of the pot calling the kettle black???KUWA SERIOUS..... From: owinga bonfas To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a very tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more important than national matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured has "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" At least Raila has come out and condenmed the Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau wrote: > From: john kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > To: "young" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > Another sad day for Kenya, > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that > have become part of the system.. > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same > old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous > crime; says Raila. > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > >? ? ? > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From jkruto at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 05:05:57 2009 From: jkruto at hotmail.com (joseph rutto) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:05:57 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <403529.80578.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337490.17000.qm@web56608.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <403529.80578.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guys,professionals;the real issue has nothing to do with the tribe or personallity. even if we vote in an angel in power, the story will not change.Watu wata kula tu. It is the rules of governance in the name of constituation that is the problem. We all have the potential to be corrupt and miss use power one way or the other either by association with those in power, may they be our tribe or friends. We need a new constituation like yesterday,that is worked out by experts not politicians. > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:13:25 -0700 > From: dorreynj at yahoo.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > > > hey!hey! Euginia Mugo whats the anger for!hey!hey!wacha ukabila evrybody can c that!enda pole pole mama1! this is kenya we are trying to do away with people like u wacha hasira ya UKABILA gal!Sometimes lets face the truth! > > ahaha am suprised people like u still think along tribal lines plzz.Argue with educative facts not using bad language we are all Kenyans under Raila and Kibaki IF U 4GOT THAT GET IT!. > > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Eugenia Mugo wrote: > > > From: Eugenia Mugo > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:49 AM > > Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. > > > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID > > ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how John Kamau > > voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT > > TOO!! > > > > "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the > > killings"-but is this enough?He blames the > > government-the same government he is part of!!! > > > > "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > > that he spoke the same language as them."-isnt this a > > case of the pot calling the kettle black???KUWA SERIOUS..... > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: owinga bonfas > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > > brought Kenya to its Knees > > > > > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > > then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE > > and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and > > put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a > > very tight condition where he has no powers to make the > > changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his > > family matters are more important than national matters. > > Since the killings you are talking about occured has > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > > Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by > > blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has > > failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > > blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > > scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him > > for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. > > Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing > > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > > failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by > > masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's > > leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a > > group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its > > knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > > wrote: > > > > > From: john kamau > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > > To: "young" > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > > Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > > hail > > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > > that > > > have become part of the system.. > > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > > news > > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > > the > > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > > Same > > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > > heinous > > > crime; says Raila. > > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > > distance. Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > > neither > > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > > run > > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > > is > > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > > THIS IS > > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > > let me > > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > > MOSES. > > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. 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URL: From brkajuma05 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 06:57:15 2009 From: brkajuma05 at yahoo.com (albert kenyanya) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all In-Reply-To: <745955.3314.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <942761.60785.qm@web59005.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Judy I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:20 PM From: "john kamau" Add sender to Contacts To: "young" Another sad day for Kenya, ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the hail of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices that have become part of the system. Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other news broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for the readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? Same old circus: The Government is to blame for this heinous crime; says Raila. But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, neither Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs run amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing is wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL THIS IS going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, let me repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no MOSES. This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmjiwa at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 07:05:28 2009 From: gmjiwa at gmail.com (Mohamed Jiwa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:05:28 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo In-Reply-To: <735408.731.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735408.731.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1521f1600903090405q3de5579bu9d82c7eabe3bfb20@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the inspiration. If they deserve contempt then they should not be in our big picture at all. Buying a ticket to the theatre to watch this show is a patent waste of time and money. All of them don't deserve this kind of attention. Not the executive, not the judiciary, not the legislature. But this sort of writing still inspires. You cannot win peace by starting a war anyway. 2009/3/8 odhiambo okecth > *Mutula Kilonzo must be sick 6**th** March 2009* > > > Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM can take a walk, > and they, PNU, can just appoint any other person to the office of Prime > Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila had said that he does > not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on Raila again. > > > Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when Muthama was sent to > antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila has chosen to give > Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as Muthama was before > him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And Raila must not respond > to them. > > > I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua was talking on > behalf of Raila as well, Raila would know. Not Mutula. Anyway, we will take > this on another day. > > > At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before ODM came on board, > there was a government in place, so there will still be a government in > place even if they packed and left. > > > Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again sent to go and > read another press statement. And he read the same without looking at the > cameras even once. As usual, he was being used. > > > My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many things. My take is with > the two lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the negotiation team. On the > PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can get it all that wrong, > then I really pity them. > > > After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted like never before. > This made the international community come on board to help create peace. > Many Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced. > > > It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it seems like the two > people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not know why they went to > the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the process. What comes > from their mouths makes me think so. > > > Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity. Kenyans did not trust > him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the Nation Media told me > off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum campaign. I did support > Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can now see clearly what > Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right. Mutula Kilonzo is just > Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi do all sorts of things > for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like Daniel. > > > This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of deceit. He made his > money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship conveniently to join the > forces of liberation without believing in the cause. He seems not to know > that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki has 43 MPs, while > Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59 MPs. ODM on its own has > 99 MPs. > > > When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki and Kalonzo have, it > comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected MPs. When you add > nominated MPs, the Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while ODM alliance has 112 > MPs. > > > These are facts well known to both Mutula and Wetangula, and both of them > are lawyers. I pity them. > > > At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be known as the > National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that the Prime Minister > will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in Parliament. It is a known > fact that ODM is the single largest party in Parliament. ODM has 99 elected > MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19. ODM-K, [from where Mutula gloats] has > 16. The rest have one or two MPs. > > > Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple things? Even if you > want to kiss ass, I bet you need to do it honourably. Did you here Mutula > give a budget of 33T for Nairobi Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy > is worth? This is simple madness. > > > You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of ODM-K, or Chama cha > Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must be the person who leads > the largest party in Parliament, and that person is Raila, like it or not. > That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula signed. And they must be > knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? > > > Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting with many Kenyans, > Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do is to create an > enabling environment for national healing and reconciliation. You cannot > promote national healing and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the > way Mutula and Wetangula are doing. > > > The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big disservice by talking the > way they are. Even if we are to show their masters that they deserve the > positions they have been given, they must take into account the intelligence > of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each other, not more > conflict. > > > This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who lives in Nyeri. It > endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in Kabartonjo. It makes life > difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in eternal peace as brothers > and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are spoiling for President > Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in history as the person who > held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. > > > Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and Wetangulas of this > world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk about with confidence > into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be easily lost. > > > If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack Mutula and Wetangula > for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest counselors to the President, > they have chosen to be auctioneers. > > > As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him. Just like Muthama, > Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing. > > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > > > > -- G Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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You see,I have serious problem with people who tend to think that life is all about passing or success! When such people are finally confronted with the reality of life, they just break down or do something silly to hurt themselves and others! Let me give you several examples. -I heard a story over the radio of this girl who wanted to commit suicide for getting a B grade instead of all A's. When interviewed, she said that she ward so smart for any kind of grade other than straight A -Ever noted that usually A students have some issues in life? -I know of this lady who divorced because her husband became a pagan by eating meat. -There are those who are so much consumed by the perfection disease that they find it extremely hard to communicate with sinners who do not measure up with their high moral standards -There are people who are so serious about Christianity that they consider any sense of humor as sin! -People who have not failed at any time in their life time , have hard time dealing with failures. They just can't understand why some people are not smart like them I am not saying that we should plan to fail or go looking for it. What I am saying, though, is that as long as we are in this world, we need certain experiences in life to help us wake up or change course. By the way, do you know that our God at times allows failure to come our way so as to teach us? So, any time failure comes your way, thank God for it, pick yourself up, learn something from it and move on! Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai Minnesota, USA From kmach55 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 10:56:39 2009 From: kmach55 at yahoo.com (Keen Nyamwange) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Douglas Aming'a Message-ID: <158242.11901.qm@web111010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have very very important papers that were mailed to my address by mistake..? Douglas or whoever knows him, please contact me immediately. ? Keen Nyamwange -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 11:16:39 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees In-Reply-To: <596845.29265.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884359.85173.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Mr.Kamau my brother. I too cherish a sober and well thought out debate-thats what will take this country out of the current mess. But we also have to face sensitive issues,tackle them and find ways of moving forward. Talking nice as if the heavens will open, there will be singing and all will be fine wont help this country. We have gone through that path before. Hope is good but muts be followed with actions. See, some people aint very realistic and I think this is a progressive forum, where all we want is to find our destiny again and I support all the members who want Kenya to move in that direction-the Kenyan dream that Oginga Odinga and JM Kariuki had way back in 1963. 45 years later its "Not yet Uhuru" In my opinion, the greatest problem facing Kenya today is tribalism. Other problems just follow tribalism. Take for example, the Ministry of Finance-So long as Kibaki is the President-the minister for Finance must come from Mount Kenya region(atleast Moi appointed others from elsewhere).If you aint Mount Kenya-dont even dream of holding that office now. Why? Because Kibaki does not trust anyone with the monies, who aint from Mount Kenya. This is an appaling situation and the same mistrust is bedevelling the Grand Coalition. In my piece, I blamed the Mount elite not the masses. But remember the elite are kept in power by the masses,who they threaten that if you vote for a Luhya, for example you are all dead and If am not wrong the mount Kenya masses have always reponded to this line of thought since independence. Maybe Kamau is not one of the people, who responded to this way of reasoning but majority have always thought that way. To vindicate my views-please read John Githongo's "Its Our Turn to Eat" and watch Hilary Ngweno's DVD "The Making of a Nation". Prof.Kisiangani has also argued the same-that Kenyatta inculcated in the minds of Mount Kenya people a feeling of entitlement to the leadership of Kenya and therefore this feeling continues today,that while they lead others should follow. It is therefore inconceivable to most of them that a Turkana can be the President of this country. This is also tied to the feeling that the Mau Mau fought for independence. Lets be truthful as young people and from there lets chat a way forward. Call elections today and you will see how Kenyans will vote-the same same patterns will emerge. So my point is that the masses have to decide to change-the politicians will not change that easily. Kamau agrees with me that Kibaki has failed and to my view Kibaki even failed in his first administration. He disbanded the summit and replaced with a kitchen cabinet of the so called "Mount Kenya mafia" and all hell broke loose-tribalism in Kenya became so heightened that by 2007 elections, Kenyans were so divided like never before. We had anglo-leasing, artur scandal, standard raid, no new constitution and many many more problems but the masses from mount Kenya still voted for him. On the current leadership, I still maintain that Kibaki as the head of state and head of government has failed and we as a people should not hide from putting the blame where it belongs. The buck will always stop with the President. This view of blaming everybody must stop. You and me know very well that Raila cannot fire Ali Hussein..Aaron Ringera or Amos Wako..In his reform agenda, he would have wished to change the institutions headed by these people for a fresh start but his hands are tied in the current arrangments. Even John Githongo agrees with my view in this. He is dealing with people who have never known what reform is..he is dealing with status quo people, who apparently hold the power.Its a very frustrating and challenging situation. With Raila, I believe people like Alfred Mutua would be gone long time agao. Is Mutua helping the government or the people of Kenya? I dont think so but why is he there-because he speaks on behalf of Mwai Kibaki. Way Forward: We the young people must believe that a person must be judged by the content of his character and his abiliy and not his tribe..then we must move forward and change society to think this way so that come 2012 they will vote for the best man in the arena in terms of his leadership capabilities and policies. Secondly, we must push this government to give us a new constitution.This is the foundation for a new Kenya. Thirdly, we as like-minded citizens must unite and leave those who still think tribalism behind. We cant get everybody on board with us but we can get a majority who believe in a better Kenya with equal opportunities not based on one's tribe. I believe Kamau will be one of those pushing these reforms. This is the way forward. But lets not dream that talking nice will change anything. The Truth will set us free my brothers and sisters. We have the energy..we have the will..we can do it. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The net is giving me some headache so I will post more photos tomorrow. I am also still unable to post the same in our blog. Hopefully that will be done by tomorrow. Regards, Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, PO Box 47890-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557, Email; komarockswatch at yahoo.com, http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 53820014.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 697070 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kombo26 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 9 19:14:24 2009 From: kombo26 at earthlink.net (kombo26 at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] POVERTY IS MAN MADE Message-ID: <380-22009319231424968@earthlink.net> Bw. Ogalo: I tend to agree with you but only up to a certain point. Nyerere planted a tree called Mzabibu for his country, in which his people (polititians) are harvesting up to date. Kenyatta planted a tree called Iba Iba Chochote plus tribalism and Kenyas politicians are harvesting that up to date. When people like Fred Kagia, Oginga Odinga and others opposed that,, they were kicked out of the circle of "mafisi" for ever. Until or unless "this tree" is uprooted (not just cutting the branches off), nothing will change. Just see; we just elected a majority of new people, when they got there they met veteran fisis who told them; "look, there is nyama here. Are you gonna leave this arena without having any? It's our time." Thus, we will be electing new ones, for a long time to come. T. Kombo. ----- Original Message ----- From: josiah ogalo To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: 3/9/2009 11:31:26 AM Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] POVERTY IS MAN MADE YPS_Ke, Good morning members. I would wish to draw your attention to some thought provoking article by Koigi Wamwere in today's Daily Nation on the said topic. As I traveled to work this morning, I grabbed myself a copy of the newspaper and turned on the pages, the article by Koigi attracted my eyes. I delved into fully reading it and read through it noting what light Koigi was throwing the way of his intended readers. I concur with him to a large extent guys....if you disgaree please give us a way forward as a Nation. We have sold our birthtright as Kenyans....selling the future of our children for a glass of chang'aa, Kshs 20, 500, by electing the very same leaders we complain have stolen from the public coffers.....when during election time, we're easily bought to support the political course of an individual, based not on vision, past performance, campaign agenda! I honestly feel we as a people can set the pace for the 2012 election outcome...if we want to! We can.....We can elect a "sheep" to lead us this time round instead of a "hyena". Some tribe is not your/my enemy, we're are our own enemies by not doing that which is right and we ought to do...electing the good leaders into office! We make the wrong decisions by simply allowing the "hyenas" to control us! The poor in Kenya are well guilty of their poverty as well as the leaders......come 2012, I believe we shall still elect the same old people who have been implicated with the oil, maize, goldenberg, grand regency scandals! For some reason, I really don't know who will save our country....us the citizens or our leaders....it is up to you to decide! God has given us the skills and talents to get rid of our problems and the desicion to make...to chose good leaders and shun bad leaders...He has done his part guys..... My two cents....and I stand to be challenged! 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URL: From wams2006 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 17:21:23 2009 From: wams2006 at gmail.com (Margaret Gichuki) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] [africa-oped] NEWS : Ruto breaks ranks with ODM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Odhis, Thanks for opening this Kanuish-A-maize-Ng envelope for us.If the Standard article is anything to go by; thenI 'd like to see a Martha-PM-Saitoti and Mudavadi marriage very soon. Ula la ................. On 3/9/09, Dickens Odhiambo wrote: > > By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that the > power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of the > coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and not > the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in Emgwen > Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they would > quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out of the > coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP Musa > Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central Kenya > MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus Ephraim > Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's move to forge > an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could result > in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of them > are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them well. I > have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major political > alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would also include > the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his mobile > phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will move > in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution of > the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern would > protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also dismissed > threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have many > challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. > > From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Mon Mar 9 16:46:21 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:46:21 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] NEWS : Ruto breaks ranks with ODM Message-ID: By Standard Team Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition Government. He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of the coalition. "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. Fair share The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out of the coalition. And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of government positions among their party members. The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and Aden Duale. Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible political alliance. Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's move to forge an alliance with Ruto. Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General Elections. Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a political union. "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would also include the Vice-President. Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his mobile phone went unanswered. The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their political intensions. Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly distributed." Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. Simmering rows "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within ODM. Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," said Kutuny. Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as daydreamers. The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary and unhealthy political talk. Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull out of Government. They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province as misplaced. This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and PNU. Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were being ignored. - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. From Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk Mon Mar 9 04:35:48 2009 From: Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk (Linda.Mulindi at fco.gov.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:35:48 -0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought K enya to its Knees Message-ID: Am I the only one who doesn't see it the way everyone else is seeing it. I didn't see anything really wrong with Eugenia's comments and neither did I see anything wrong with John Kamau's nor Bonfas (though the way he put it might rub people the wrong way) We are all saying THE SAME THING!! Tuwache ukabila na tulenge mbele. Wana YP can we stop this silly back and forth and come up with ways we can get rid of this crop of leaders. Or are we so locked into their way of thinking that we cannot move beyond that? Please read and think carefully before you condemn or condone. -----Original Message----- From: Dorreyn Anziya [mailto:dorreynj at yahoo.com] Sent: 09 March 2009 11:13 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees hey!hey! Euginia Mugo whats the anger for!hey!hey!wacha ukabila evrybody can c that!enda pole pole mama1! this is kenya we are trying to do away with people like u wacha hasira ya UKABILA gal!Sometimes lets face the truth! ahaha am suprised people like u still think along tribal lines plzz.Argue with educative facts not using bad language we are all Kenyans under Raila and Kibaki IF U 4GOT THAT GET IT!. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Eugenia Mugo wrote: > From: Eugenia Mugo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:49 AM > Owinga Bonfas-spare us your emotions. > > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID > ANYTHING"-Please!!!!I mean do you who/how John Kamau > voted.by the way like it or not KIBAKI IS YOUR PRESIDENT > TOO!! > > "Atlease Raila has come out and condemned the > killings"-but is this enough?He blames the > government-the same government he is part of!!! > > "but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same language as them."-isnt this a > case of the pot calling the kettle black???KUWA SERIOUS..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: owinga bonfas > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:02:38 PM > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE > and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading the blame game and > put the blame where it belongs. Raila is working under a > very tight condition where he has no powers to make the > changes that he should make, while Kibaki feels that his > family matters are more important than national matters. > Since the killings you are talking about occured has > "YOUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President John Kamau? This lying by > blaming everybody will not wash..We know that Kibaki has > failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many more) but tribalists still voted for him > for one reason that he spoke the same language as them. > Mount Kenya elite have failed this country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of Mount Kenya elites supported by > masses who are brainwashed to believe that Kenya's > leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very sad that a > group of people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > >? ? ? > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > *********************************************************************************** Join the debate on the London Summit at www.londonsummit.gov.uk Visit http://www.fco.gov.uk for British foreign policy news and travel advice and http://blogs.fco.gov.uk to read our blogs. 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We are Afrikans not the so called?fifty four?colonies of Europe but One Afrika?We work and encourage our fellow brothers and sisters to work and participate in each others lives in the spirit of a united, empowered and self-determined people. For far too long we have had foreign ideas taking root in our minds we then plant these foreign ideas in the minds of our children. Why settle for being quarantined on a peace of land ( so called Kenya) when we have a whole continent (Afrika).Today confusion have us fighting each other violently defending the opinions and political point of views of selfish individual political icons that dose not even know must of us?by face or name.Reconnection brings the collection to make corrections.The good thing?about the coalition is the opportunity it presents for fresh leadership to emerge form we the people. Leadership that motivate unity, inspires hope among the masses proactive in implementing policies that are inclusive, participatory and equitable with the?aim of achieving social justice for all Afrikan citizens?Such leadership will not only bring together the people of Kenya but would also fully endorse the unification of all Afrika. Just something to think about. We the people need to organize ourselves to allow the emergence of true leadership. Be blessed my people and keep on keeping our Afrikan pride alive. ? A.U.H., Inc Office: 212-531-0384 Mailings: P.O. Box 1121 NY,NY 10027 ? Support "The Center of Afrikan Unity in Harlem".... No matter what language we speak, No matter where we are born, No matter what religion we practice..... WE ARE ONE AFRIKAN PEOPLE. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 11:16 AM Hello Mr.Kamau my brother. I too cherish a sober and well thought out debate-thats what will take this country out of the current mess. But we also have to face sensitive issues,tackle them and find ways of moving forward. Talking nice as if the heavens will open, there will be singing and all will be fine wont help this country. We have gone through that path before. Hope is good but muts be followed with actions. See, some people aint very realistic and I think this is a progressive forum, where all we want is to find our destiny again and I support all the members who want Kenya to move in that direction-the Kenyan dream that Oginga Odinga and JM Kariuki had way back in 1963. 45 years later its "Not yet Uhuru" In my opinion, the greatest problem facing Kenya today is tribalism. Other problems just follow tribalism. Take for example, the Ministry of Finance-So long as Kibaki is the President-the minister for Finance must come from Mount Kenya region(atleast Moi appointed others from elsewhere).If you aint Mount Kenya-dont even dream of holding that office now. Why? Because Kibaki does not trust anyone with the monies, who aint from Mount Kenya. This is an appaling situation and the same mistrust is bedevelling the Grand Coalition. In my piece, I blamed the Mount elite not the masses. But remember the elite are kept in power by the masses,who they threaten that if you vote for a Luhya, for example you are all dead and If am not wrong the mount Kenya masses have always reponded to this line of thought since independence. Maybe Kamau is not one of the people, who responded to this way of reasoning but majority have always thought that way. To vindicate my views-please read John Githongo's "Its Our Turn to Eat" and watch Hilary Ngweno's DVD "The Making of a Nation". Prof.Kisiangani has also argued the same-that Kenyatta inculcated in the minds of Mount Kenya people a feeling of entitlement to the leadership of Kenya and therefore this feeling continues today,that while they lead others should follow. It is therefore inconceivable to most of them that a Turkana can be the President of this country. This is also tied to the feeling that the Mau Mau fought for independence. Lets be truthful as young people and from there lets chat a way forward. Call elections today and you will see how Kenyans will vote-the same same patterns will emerge. So my point is that the masses have to decide to change-the politicians will not change that easily. Kamau agrees with me that Kibaki has failed and to my view Kibaki even failed in his first administration. He disbanded the summit and replaced with a kitchen cabinet of the so called "Mount Kenya mafia" and all hell broke loose-tribalism in Kenya became so heightened that by 2007 elections, Kenyans were so divided like never before. We had anglo-leasing, artur scandal, standard raid, no new constitution and many many more problems but the masses from mount Kenya still voted for him. On the current leadership, I still maintain that Kibaki as the head of state and head of government has failed and we as a people should not hide from putting the blame where it belongs. The buck will always stop with the President. This view of blaming everybody must stop. You and me know very well that Raila cannot fire Ali Hussein..Aaron Ringera or Amos Wako..In his reform agenda, he would have wished to change the institutions headed by these people for a fresh start but his hands are tied in the current arrangments. Even John Githongo agrees with my view in this. He is dealing with people who have never known what reform is..he is dealing with status quo people, who apparently hold the power.Its a very frustrating and challenging situation. With Raila, I believe people like Alfred Mutua would be gone long time agao. Is Mutua helping the government or the people of Kenya? I dont think so but why is he there-because he speaks on behalf of Mwai Kibaki. Way Forward: We the young people must believe that a person must be judged by the content of his character and his abiliy and not his tribe..then we must move forward and change society to think this way so that come 2012 they will vote for the best man in the arena in terms of his leadership capabilities and policies. Secondly, we must push this government to give us a new constitution.This is the foundation for a new Kenya. Thirdly, we as like-minded citizens must unite and leave those who still think tribalism behind. We cant get everybody on board with us but we can get a majority who believe in a better Kenya with equal opportunities not based on one's tribe. I believe Kamau will be one of those pushing these reforms. This is the way forward. But lets not dream that talking nice will change anything. The Truth will set us free my brothers and sisters. We have the energy..we have the will..we can do it. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau wrote: > From: John Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > Mr., Owinga, > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to engage > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand that > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main Email). I > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to make. > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any time in > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation and > that of all other looters working with him even though they > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain washed > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first and a > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. When > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as Kibaki > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die during > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If there is > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they will > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning people > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to bring > about the destruction of life and property that we all > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if you want > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let Kenyans > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as much as > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > He does not seem to have used either one very much for the > benefit of those things that count for ordinary Kenyans. But > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he defends > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not marshal > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators of > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas to > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of all > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of hunger. > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity and > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read the > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani ,we > would start seeing things for what they are. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in Kenya > then you are aware > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. Raila is > working under a very > tight condition where he has no powers to make the changes > that he should make, > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > important than national > matters. Since the killings you are talking about occured > has "YOUR DULY > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > Killings..Where is your President > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > wash..We know that Kibaki > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and put the > blame where it > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard raid..artur > scandal and many > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one reason > that he spoke the same > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > country by brainwashing > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > failed state because of > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are brainwashed > to believe that > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its very > sad that a group of > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > knees..very sad John > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > wrote: > > > From: john kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > To: "young" > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under the > hail > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the injustices > that > > have become part of the system.. > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to other > news > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly waiting for > the > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster Raila > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they see? > Same > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > heinous > > crime; says Raila. > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the masters of > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit at a > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets freely, > neither > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this thugs > run > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some thing > is > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS ALL > THIS IS > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning me, > let me > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is no > MOSES. > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans a new > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from there. ? > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > >? ? ??? > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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There are now millions of people world wide who have no job and are very worried of the future! -Many countries have a leadership crisis! Those who are entrusted with the responsibilities to protect the people seem to have forgotten their work -People are being assassinated or murdered on bright day light. This kind of insecurity has made many fearful and not so sure of tomorrow -Stealing from the poor and needy, has become a common thing by those who have. Many have failed to make a difference between what belongs to them and what does not. -Airplanes and roads are claiming the lives of many daily -Depending on which economist you are talking to, the future doesn't look good at all So, what? where do we go from here? Should we all be concerned? By no means? And here is why? Those who have chosen the man of Galilee as their Savior and Lord, know for a fact, that the Bible contains the following promises: Hebrews 13:6- He is the same yesterday, today, and for ever Philippians 4:6- Be careful for nothing; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God Philippians 4:19 -But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus Genesis 18:14 -Is anything too hard for the Lord? Genesis 18:20-21 -And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. Exodus 2:23-24- And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. All that you and I need, is enough faith in the living God. Daily study of His word and daily communication will expel all fear. Like the giants of faith as recorded in the book of Hebrews 11, I will sure have faith in Him at whatever cost! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From prcanb at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 20:11:00 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] The days of the good news! Message-ID: <60171.47186.qm@web38705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It appears as if the days of the good news are forever gone! Everywhere you turn to these days is full of nothing, but bad news! Just take a look: -The economy is going from worse to worst. There are now millions of people world wide who have no job and are very worried of the future! -Many countries have a leadership crisis! Those who are entrusted with the responsibilities to protect the people seem to have forgotten their work -People are being assassinated or murdered on bright day light. This kind of insecurity has made many fearful and not so sure of tomorrow -Stealing from the poor and needy, has become a common thing by those who have. Many have failed to make a difference between what belongs to them and what does not. -Airplanes and roads are claiming the lives of many daily -Depending on which economist you are talking to, the future doesn't look good at all So, what? where do we go from here? Should we all be concerned? By no means? And here is why? Those who have chosen the man of Galilee as their Savior and Lord, know for a fact, that the Bible contains the following promises: Hebrews 13:6- He is the same yesterday, today, and for ever Philippians 4:6- Be careful for nothing; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God Philippians 4:19 -But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus Genesis 18:14 -Is anything too hard for the Lord? Genesis 18:20-21 -And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. Exodus 2:23-24- And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. All that you and I need, is enough faith in the living God. Daily study of His word and daily communication will expel all fear. Like the giants of faith as recorded in the book of Hebrews 11, I will sure have faith in Him at whatever cost! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From jnduko at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 19:38:44 2009 From: jnduko at yahoo.com (James Nduko) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [NewVisionKenya] Re: [africa-oped] NEWS : Ruto breaks ranks with ODM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <644275.19325.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Friends: Let start thinking outside the box: All the suspects we think of as alternatives and babies of the same snakes that have poisoned Kenya since independence. Saitoti cannot deliver change. Musalia is an ice-cream and chocolate baby that cannot survive the next minute without stealing. Karua, mmmmhhhh - she will need powerful alliances which may only come from spaces outside the current power cabals - and she may want to own up to past moments of ill-judgement and supporting leeches to restore a sense of integrity and newness. Can we draw up a list of great Kenyan daughters and sons and begin actively enrolling them to be a part of a new Kenyan dream? Let's stop the hopeless search for solutions from the sources of our tragic problems, seek new ways and people and attitudes and deeds to procure the transformation we can. Actually we should start a massive novena that all these goons in power one day (like on budget day) be struck by a strange irreversible spirit that instantly changes them into cannibals thirsting for the blood and flesh of their fellow thieves. Then in this liberating miracle, like the old one at the wedding in Cana, they feast on each other until there is not one remaining on the face of the earth. Then this spirit would break down the entire parliament and rearrange the bricks into a massive tomb, with plaques invoking to Kenyans how misguided we have been to expect our dreams to be fulfilled by the late MPs, including the President, PM and wannabes. Watching this live on TV as coverage under the new standing orders will be a massive national catharsis that will push us to look among ourselves and select an effective, efficient, passionate, truthful and believable dream team. Kenya is endowed with great minds and energies. Let us be creative, identify them, mobilize them, enrol them into a sophisticated structured struggle to reclaim our country before 2012 - let us do it sooner before the hounds realign and exploit our disorganization to outdo us again. If we mean it, my suggestion for a novena may not be necessary. Because we can do it without the intervention of Almighty God, because He has given us all we need to re-create Kenya into what we want: Dignity for ALL, Justice for ALL; Prosperity for ALL. Yes WE Can. James Nduko Catalyst - One Million Change Makers Movement Nairobi - Kenya .......................................................................................................................... "When Spider webs unite, they can stop a lion." - Ethiopian proverb http://jamesnduko.blogspot.com/ www.facebook.com (james nduko) Skype: james.nduko ________________________________ From: Margaret Gichuki To: africa-oped at yahoogroups.com Cc: "kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com" ; An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange. ; KCA ; New Vision List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:21:23 AM Subject: [NewVisionKenya] Re: [africa-oped] NEWS : Ruto breaks ranks with ODM Odhis, Thanks for opening this Kanuish-A-maize- Ng envelope for us.If the Standard article is anything to go by; thenI 'd like to see a Martha-PM-Saitoti and Mudavadi marriage very soon. Ula la ............ ..... On 3/9/09, Dickens Odhiambo wrote: > > By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that the > power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of the > coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and not > the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in Emgwen > Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they would > quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out of the > coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP Musa > Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central Kenya > MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus Ephraim > Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's move to forge > an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could result > in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of them > are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them well. I > have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major political > alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would also include > the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his mobile > phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will move > in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed. " > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution of > the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern would > protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also dismissed > threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have many > challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. > > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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URL: From janet at africanexecutive.com Tue Mar 10 09:10:11 2009 From: janet at africanexecutive.com (janet at africanexecutive.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:10:11 +0300 (EAT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed In-Reply-To: <185672.5440.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <185672.5440.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1152.212.49.89.216.1236690611.squirrel@www.africanexecutive.com> I agree with Judy that people must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails without discrimination. Everyone has a right for fair trial. The citizenry should not be silenced by the gun. We should be able to tolerate different opinions without using force on our opponents.Democratic space should be allowed. Thanks, Janet > ? > ? > Folks, > ? > Raila for once did the right thing to be able to stand? out his ground and > call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who > have been enjoying? protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the > Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of > the Public but of their own stomach. Even? though Raila and ODM team have > a half backed cake presently, they have power enough to wield towards > wishes of the electorate.? ? With or without powers in the set-up of > ruling Coalition Government, the goal can be achieved.? They are better > off fixing loopholes bit by pieces and by denouncing corruption > and? pushing towards constitutional change to be top in the Agenda and as > is? the cry for many.? One good thing? PM Raila? can do is to speak up > aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive > advisors not coward ones or petty selfish type, to shout down the likes of > Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, > Uhuru, Beth Mugo? etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear > too).? Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to > function.? He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. > ? He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not > without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can > start to? believe in him. > ? > No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, > wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.? ? People must be > given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law > that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair > trial.? > ? > What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing > these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) > so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly > gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without > arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and > panicking for cover-up. > ? > Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief > Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as > contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own > hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is > everyones right. > ? > We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are > treated to a movie that? the Government is trying to hide something which > must be unveiled.? We do not want? to see people like Mutua who keep > trying to preach the gospel under influence.? > ? > If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading > somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or > pressure? by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not > work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too > far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind > of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? > Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? > Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights? of? pathetic > situation? of people and not just a temporary curtain? demonstration > before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these > donor money disappear to? once they are received into the country, he must > find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are > concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously > once it gets into the country.? > It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) > disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans > are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the > Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to > have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can > be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage > situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list > of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from > now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan > of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with > underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is > what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he? should do to be able > to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with > action pact.? Ofcourse, we all > love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no > matter who it is. > ? > Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How? the Mungiki was > formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious? Kikuyu > sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? > They were thugs for hire.? ? They were? politically balooned by the Mt. > Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for? their > demands? deals? which made them fall out of favour with President > Kibaki.? Their leadership? were seen going to? State House? to meet > with? Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but > Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? > ? > The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get > out of control and eventually overpowers? and consumes the owner. > Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest > groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership? squables go > separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel > groups squads headed? by different marshals.? The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not > therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and > demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the > group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles > chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry? to a > point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.? ? In order > to survive they offered available services to political environment > willing buyer willing seller.? As the? Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU? of > Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin > to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too? got divided into groups > with independent leadership for divegent opportunities? to support > varying interests.? ? > ? > Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to > UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What > is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and > destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and? Police > boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going > on. > ? > Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without > him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as > long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the > Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want > to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their > half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen > to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but > must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and > provide for the much needed constitution reform.? > ? > The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling > political jungle before? the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? > This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? > Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted > efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change > change him as well. > ? > My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take > heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? > ? > ? > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson & > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ > ? > ? > ? > News > Raila on the warpath > ? > By? SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted? Saturday, March 7? 2009? at? 21:43 > > In Summary > > > Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people > > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country???s security > agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be > brought to an end and the rule of law restored. > Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in > investigating the latest killings ??? those of Oscar Foundation director > Oscar King???ara and official Paul Oulu. > And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition > government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet > ministers. > The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice > this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose > Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. > Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped > form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that > brought his ODM and President Kibaki???s Party of National Unity together. > On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying > that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. > Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the > Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning > to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take > its course. > The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the > execution-style killings of Mr King???ara and Mr Oulu. > On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ???rule by the gun the > security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their > duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the > due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead > innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.?? > He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country???s justice > system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting > the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up > charges to justify their actions. > On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection > with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and > State House Road > Intense scrutiny > Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a > report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip > Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking > outrage from the public. > Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru > Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two > human rights activists were apprehended immediately. > ???We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People > should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ??? > you cannot politicise everything,?? Mr Kenyatta said. > ???We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on > solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop > shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the > party has been given and serve Kenyans.?? > The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services > of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to > investigate Thursday???s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign > Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ???offer > immediate assistance.?? > ???The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is > able to begin working immediately on the investigation,?? read part of > the note dated March 6, 2009 > In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political > leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police > agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. > ???The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want > foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in > our country,?? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up > call to the government. > ???For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something > should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the > spotlight,?? she said. > But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country???s institutions > were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings > of Mr King???ara and Mr Oulu. > Criminal activities > ???We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. > We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities > and take legal action as fast as possible,?? she said. > On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over > the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are > competent and would continue handling the matter. > The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been > assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain > Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their > victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other > businesses . > Earlier on Thursday Mr King???ara had spoken by mobile phone to an > official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining > that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. > ???But little did we know that it would end so tragically,?? the KNHCR > official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday > Nation. > According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening > shooting by several men who had blocked the victims??? vehicle with their > cars, the attackers grabbed the men???s phones, removed the SIM cards and > smashed the sets. > The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess > the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force > Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. > The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially > Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. > It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang???a > and Nyahururu. > Proposed reforms > On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial > of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in > the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public > confidence in law enforcement agencies. > Speaking at Alliance Girls??? High School, Budalang???i MP Ababu Namwamba > said, ???any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, > especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.?? > The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to > destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. > ???We can fight crime legally without killing people,?? he said. > On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a > confrontation with police after Mr King???ara and Mr Oulu were killed. > Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor > ? > Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru > ? > > By Standard Team >> Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks >> with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. >> Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between >> himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. >> Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that >> the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. >> Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on >> Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand >> Coalition >> Government. >> He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of >> the coalition. >> "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and >> not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. >> To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further >> challenged >> the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead >> of >> threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". >> Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current >> government >> had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. >> Fair share >> The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when >> they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in >> Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that >> they >> would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked >> out >> of the coalition. >> And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the >> coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of >> government positions among their party members. >> The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and >> Aden Duale. >> Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David >> Koech >> (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), >> Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo >> North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP >> Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. >> The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly >> Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant >> minister >> Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in >> meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. >> Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible >> political alliance. >> Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central >> Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus >> Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's >> move to forge an alliance with Ruto. >> Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could >> result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General >> Elections. >> Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he >> distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe >> division >> on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a >> political union. >> "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of >> them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them >> well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major >> political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance >> would >> also include the Vice-President. >> Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his >> mobile phone went unanswered. >> The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto >> function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of >> their >> political intensions. >> Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will >> move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." >> Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third >> principal >> should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly >> distributed." >> Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution >> of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. >> Simmering rows >> "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and >> there >> should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within >> ODM. >> Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop >> the >> country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. >> Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs >> had >> hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick >> to >> the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. >> "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we >> challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the >> party," >> said Kutuny. >> Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern >> would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse >> as >> daydreamers. >> The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly >> abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in >> unnecessary >> and unhealthy political talk. >> Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also >> dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. >> "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have >> many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. >> The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not >> pull >> out of Government. >> They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza >> province >> as misplaced. >> This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) >> that >> kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National >> Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and >> PNU. >> Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' >> Nyong'o >> said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights >> were >> being ignored. >> - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme >> Machuka. > ? > > Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all > Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM > > > > From: > > "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts > > > > To: > "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." > jambo at publiceyesite.org > ? > ? > > > > > > > > Judy > ? > I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try > to underscore you and everyone? who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. > For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where > the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to > remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila > responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the > other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is > going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this > government, but we still don't know? how bad it could have been if > Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to > do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the > problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the > history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian > brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of > regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect > anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two > sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment > they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: > > From: Judy Miriga > Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, > youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online > Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , > "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM > > > > > > > > > ? > Folks, > It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government? has to go down? on > failed? lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God > rest the departed souls in peace. > ? > And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ > ? > Judy Miriga > Diaspora Spokesperson & > Executive Director > Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., > USA > http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ > ? > ? > ? > > > > ? > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Let?s come to ?support, pray and give our resources to this dear ?family as they plan to go home for the funeral at the end of this week. ? Ladies, please get in touch with Mama Ian (919)760-7376 or Mama Brian (919) 600-0491 for coordination of refreshment ? I would love to encourage you to call, visit this dear family pray and comfort them. ? Home Address: 129 Callan Ln Park Cary,NC? 27511 ? Tel: Pastor Kiminda: 919-924-3076-? (H) 919-380-0358- Mrs. Kiminda: 919-349-6995 Blessings. ? Dr. Joe Karogi, (919-961-9628 For the Kiminda?s ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkmuguko at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 01:48:32 2009 From: dkmuguko at yahoo.com (Daniel Muguko) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: A fresh Perspective In-Reply-To: <324097.91405.qm@web59311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476123.44336.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hae? I feel obliged to join this debate by Mr Owinga and Mr Kamau.Both of you are right.What really irritates me is the fact that we forget human beings are creatures of behaviour.You "steal" an election as alleged and what do those that PURPORT to try and make Kenya better do?They mobilise jobless youths,pay them and incite them against other tribes.I come from Burnt Forest and i will tell you what,the bad blood between the Kikuyu and other tribes has nothing to do with elections or Kenyatta or Kibaki.It has to do with what God Almighty has bestowed on them. Lemmi tell you something that i would like you to confirm or deny.The Mzungu saw the resilience of the Kikuyu to live anywhere and prosper.By 1932,beleive it or not there were tribal clashes in Rift Valley.What was the cast,SAME as today.The then Kikuyu who were there,if they are different from the ones there today,had been "dumped" there by Mzungu.How?The Kikuyu who tried to resist their land being taken in Central Kenya were taken there hopefully to be eaten by hyenas and the rest of the wild animals.Unfortunately,they adapted and were very prosperous by the 1930's.Seeing this the Mzungu incited the kalenjin to flush out the Kikuyu in the same pattern as happens today.This is a long story and i think kenyans dont read their history. At independence,there were other clashes in the RV again the Kikuyu being kicked out.Their crime,they had done so much developments such that they were a threat to the Kalenjin. Today the greatest war in Burnt Forest and the RV at large is a class war.Its THE RICH VS. THE POOR.PERIOD. LET NO ONE THINK THAT IN 2012,THE WAR WILL PITTY THE KIKUYU AND OTHER TRIBES.THIS IS JUST THE IGNITION.OTHERWISE,THE DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY IN MY VILLAGE WAS PURELY ON THE GROUNDS OF WHAT ONE HAS.THE KALENJINS TARGETED GOOD HOUSES FOR THE KIKUYUS.THE KIKUYU IN RETALIATION DESTROYED THE PROPERTY OF THE KALENJIN.THEN AFTER THAT BELIEVE IT OR NOT BOTH TRIBES ARE DIEING OF HUNGER.AT LEAST THE KIKUYU HAS SOME HELP FROM WELL WISHERS.WHAT ABOUT THE KALENJIN.THEN TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM,OUR POLITICIANS SAT SOMEWHERE IN NAIROBI AND SHARED OUT THE "LOOT" CREATED MORE MINISTRIES IN A BID TO BRING "PEACE" THERE IS NO PEACE IN KENYA.WE ONLY HAVE A CEASEFIRE.UNTILL WE ADDRES THE ISSUE OF POVERTY,LETS NOT EVEN THINK OF A NEW CONSTITUTION.AT TIMES I FEEL SAD WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE CONSTITUTION WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS.WHICH PART????????? OUR CURRENT CONSTITUTION IS ONE OF THE BEST AROUND AFRICA.IF WE NEED ANY CHANGES OUR MPS CAN DO THAT WITHIN MONTHS.WE LIE TO THE MAJORITY OF KENYANS WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A CONSTITUTION LOOKS LIKE AND PROMISE THEM THAT A NEW ONE WILL SAVE THEM.NO WAY. FINALLY,LETS FORCE THE RICH (LIKE IT HAPPEND IN THE FRENCH REVOLUTION) TO START SUPPORTING THE POOR THROUGH PAYING SCHOOL FEES,PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT,BUILD FREE MEDICAL CENTRES IN EVERY LOCATION,PROVIDE DRUGS AND HELP STABILISE COMMODITY PRICES AS THIS WILL ENSURE A STABLE FLOW OF INCOME FOR MAJORITY WHO RELLY ON AGRICULTURE AND SMALL BUSINESSES FOR THEIR SURVIVAL. LETS FACE IT,KIBAKI AND RAILA ARE AT LEAST MAKING THE ROADS.IF THE TREND CONTINUES,ONE WOULD ONLY GUESS HOW KENYANS WILL BE BY 2012.WHY DESTROY THE THROUGH UNNECESSARY WARS THAT WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING. FINALLY,I WANT EVERY KENYAN TO CELEBRATE HIS/HER TRIBE.LETS NOT TRY TO THINK WE ARE SMALL gods TO EVEN THINK THAT ETHNICITY IS A PROBLEM.TO ME ITS A BLESSING.I CAN SPEAK KIKUYU,KISWAHILI, ENGLISH AND SOME KALENJIN/LUHYA.WHERE ELSE CAN YOU GET THAT KIND OF A HUMAN BEING IN THE WORLD.NOWHERE!SURPRISINGLY,THIS KIND OF SCENARIO MAKES KENYANS VERY SUCCESSFUL ELSEWHERE BUT NOT AT HOME.WHY?BECAUSE IN KENYA THE DEVIL HAS SCHEMED TO TELL US THAT GOD WAS WRONG TO PUT 43 TRIBES IN ONE COUNTRY?????? NO WAY!!WE MUST LIVE TOGETHER ANYWHERE ONE WISHES.AT LEAST THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT. WHEN I ARGUE WITH MY KALENJIN BROTHERS,I TELL THEM THIS; SURPPOSE THEY KICKED OUT ALL OTHER TRIBES FROM THE RV TO TAKE THEIR LAND.IN THE NEXT 50-100 YEARS,THEY WILL HAVE SUBDIVIDED THE VERY LAND,CENTRAL PROVINCE WILL LOOK LIKE A JOKE.SO LETS START LOOKING AT LAND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE BENEFIT FROM IT.SHAREHOLDERS OF KAKUZI AND OTHER AGRICULTURAL COMPANIES OWN LAND THAT THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS.SIMPLY BY OWNING SHARES.AND THEY EARN SOME DIVIDENDS AND CAPITAL GAIN FROM IT. Thanking You Mr. Daniel Kamau Muguko Management Accountant P.O. Box 6613 - 00300 Nairobi Kenya "Celebrate what you've accomplished, but raise the bar a little higher each time you succeed." "When it rains, all the birds fly for shelter. But the eagle alone avoids the rain by flying above the clouds" --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Afrikan Unity Of Harlem wrote: > From: Afrikan Unity Of Harlem > Subject: [YP_Ke] A fresh Perspective > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 12:21 AM > Let us emancipate ourselves from mental slavery non but > ourselves can free our minds. We need to up root the weeds > of divide and rule. We are Afrikans not the so called?fifty > four?colonies of Europe but One Afrika?We work and > encourage our fellow brothers and sisters to work and > participate in each others lives in the spirit of a united, > empowered and self-determined people. For far too long we > have had foreign ideas taking root in our minds we then > plant these foreign ideas in the minds of our children. Why > settle for being quarantined on a peace of land ( so called > Kenya) when we have a whole continent (Afrika).Today > confusion have us fighting each other violently defending > the opinions and political point of views of selfish > individual political icons that dose not even know must of > us?by face or name.Reconnection brings the collection to > make corrections.The good thing?about the coalition is the > opportunity it presents for fresh leadership to > emerge form we the people. Leadership that motivate unity, > inspires hope among the masses proactive in implementing > policies that are inclusive, participatory and equitable > with the?aim of achieving social justice for all Afrikan > citizens?Such leadership will not only bring together the > people of Kenya but would also fully endorse the unification > of all Afrika. Just something to think about. We the people > need to organize ourselves to allow the emergence of true > leadership. Be blessed my people and keep on keeping our > Afrikan pride alive. > > > ? > > A.U.H., Inc > Office: 212-531-0384 > Mailings: P.O. Box 1121 NY,NY 10027 > ? > Support "The Center of Afrikan Unity in > Harlem".... > No matter what language we speak, > No matter where we are born, > No matter what religion we practice..... > WE ARE ONE AFRIKAN PEOPLE. > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, owinga bonfas > wrote: > > > From: owinga bonfas > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite has > brought Kenya to its Knees > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 11:16 AM > > > > > Hello Mr.Kamau my brother. I too cherish a sober and well > thought out debate-thats what will take this country out of > the current mess. But we also have to face sensitive > issues,tackle them and find ways of moving forward. Talking > nice as if the heavens will open, there will be singing and > all will be fine wont help this country. We have gone > through that path before. Hope is good but muts be followed > with actions. See, some people aint very realistic and I > think this is a progressive forum, where all we want is to > find our destiny again and I support all the members who > want Kenya to move in that direction-the Kenyan dream that > Oginga Odinga and JM Kariuki had way back in 1963. 45 years > later its "Not yet Uhuru" > > In my opinion, the greatest problem facing Kenya today is > tribalism. Other problems just follow tribalism. Take for > example, the Ministry of Finance-So long as Kibaki is the > President-the minister for Finance must come from Mount > Kenya region(atleast Moi appointed others from elsewhere).If > you aint Mount Kenya-dont even dream of holding that office > now. Why? Because Kibaki does not trust anyone with the > monies, who aint from Mount Kenya. This is an appaling > situation and the same mistrust is bedevelling the Grand > Coalition. In my piece, I blamed the Mount elite not the > masses. But remember the elite are kept in power by the > masses,who they threaten that if you vote for a Luhya, for > example you are all dead and If am not wrong the mount Kenya > masses have always reponded to this line of thought since > independence. Maybe Kamau is not one of the people, who > responded to this way of reasoning but majority have always > thought that way. > > To vindicate my views-please read John Githongo's > "Its Our Turn to Eat" and watch Hilary > Ngweno's DVD "The Making of a Nation". > Prof.Kisiangani has also argued the same-that Kenyatta > inculcated in the minds of Mount Kenya people a feeling of > entitlement to the leadership of Kenya and therefore this > feeling continues today,that while they lead others should > follow. It is therefore inconceivable to most of them that a > Turkana can be the President of this country. This is also > tied to the feeling that the Mau Mau fought for > independence. > > Lets be truthful as young people and from there lets chat a > way forward. Call elections today and you will see how > Kenyans will vote-the same same patterns will emerge. So my > point is that the masses have to decide to change-the > politicians will not change that easily. Kamau agrees with > me that Kibaki has failed and to my view Kibaki even failed > in his first administration. He disbanded the summit and > replaced with a kitchen cabinet of the so called "Mount > Kenya mafia" and all hell broke loose-tribalism in > Kenya became so heightened that by 2007 elections, Kenyans > were so divided like never before. We had anglo-leasing, > artur scandal, standard raid, no new constitution and many > many more problems but the masses from mount Kenya still > voted for him. > > On the current leadership, I still maintain that Kibaki as > the head of state and head of government has failed and we > as a people should not hide from putting the blame where it > belongs. The buck will always stop with the President. This > view of blaming everybody must stop. You and me know very > well that Raila cannot fire Ali Hussein..Aaron Ringera or > Amos Wako..In his reform agenda, he would have wished to > change the institutions headed by these people for a fresh > start but his hands are tied in the current arrangments. > Even John Githongo agrees with my view in this. He is > dealing with people who have never known what reform is..he > is dealing with status quo people, who apparently hold the > power.Its a very frustrating and challenging situation. With > Raila, I believe people like Alfred Mutua would be gone long > time agao. Is Mutua helping the government or the people of > Kenya? I dont think so but why is he there-because he speaks > on behalf of Mwai Kibaki. > > Way Forward: We the young people must believe that a person > must be judged by the content of his character and his > abiliy and not his tribe..then we must move forward and > change society to think this way so that come 2012 they will > vote for the best man in the arena in terms of his > leadership capabilities and policies. Secondly, we must push > this government to give us a new constitution.This is the > foundation for a new Kenya. Thirdly, we as like-minded > citizens must unite and leave those who still think > tribalism behind. We cant get everybody on board with us but > we can get a majority who believe in a better Kenya with > equal opportunities not based on one's tribe. I believe > Kamau will be one of those pushing these reforms. This is > the way forward. But lets not dream that talking nice will > change anything. The Truth will set us free my brothers and > sisters. We have the energy..we have the will..we can do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, John Kamau > wrote: > > > From: John Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Very Sad day that Mount Kenya > Elite has brought Kenya to its Knees > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:45 AM > > Mr., Owinga, > > May I go out of my way and attempt to respond to a few > > topical issues that you have raised, I do not wish to > engage > > you negatively but I hope we can both do this without > > throwing barbs at each other.? I perfectly understand > that > > Kibaki has failed Kenya, (please refer to my main > Email). I > > am from the Kikuyu community and have no apologies to > make. > > I did not vote for Kibaki this time round nor at any > time in > > history. I have repeatedly called for his resignation > and > > that of all other looters working with him even though > they > > are Kikuyu. So Mr. Owinga if that makes me a brain > washed > > Kenyan from the Mount Kenya mafia then so be it. > > ?What am I trying to say?? Kibaki is a Kenyan first > and a > > kikuyu last, just like Raila is a Kenyan and a luo. > When > > Kibaki fails like he has he should be condemned as > Kibaki > > and not as a tribe. ?Kibakis children did not die > during > > the election Violence nor did Railas or Rutos. If > there is > > going to be a repeat of this unfortunate events they > will > > still be miles a way from their fathers sponsored, > > orchestrated or planned wickedness. > > We will agree that this line of thought (condemning > people > > buy their tribe) has been used by our politicians to > bring > > about the destruction of life and property that we all > > witnessed during the last election. As for Raila if > you want > > to tell Kenyans that he is Moses then please let > Kenyans > > decide. Just like Kibaki, he has Authority if not as > much as > > Kibaki. Above that he has a choice. > > He does not seem to have used either one very much for > the > > benefit of those things that count for ordinary > Kenyans. But > > it?s clear he employs it to the full when ever he > defends > > the Kanjua?ngs and the Rutos. He, who can not > marshal > > enough votes in parliament to charge the perpetrators > of > > genocide or to kick start the process for a new > > constitution, can do so to defend the issuing of Visas > to > > foreigners of questionable characters, and hauling of > all > > the maize reserves to the Sudan as Kenyans die of > hunger. > > So how about leaving whole communities out of this and > > dealing with individuals, they have own names Identity > and > > responsibilities. May be if every Kenyan would read > the > > greatest authorship of our time in yesterday?s ( > > 03/07/2007 ) Standard news paper by Mr. Kisiang?ani > ,we > > would start seeing things for what they are. > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, owinga bonfas > > wrote: > > > > From: owinga bonfas > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Very Sad day that Mount Kenya Elite > has > > brought Kenya to its Knees > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:02 AM > > > > > > John Kamau if You understand the leadership order in > Kenya > > then you are aware > > that Mwaki Kibaki is the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF > > GOVERNMENT..Stop spreading > > the blame game and put the blame where it belongs. > Raila is > > working under a very > > tight condition where he has no powers to make the > changes > > that he should make, > > while Kibaki feels that his family matters are more > > important than national > > matters. Since the killings you are talking about > occured > > has "YOUR DULY > > ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING?" > > > > At least Raila has come out and condenmed the > > Killings..Where is your President > > John Kamau? This lying by blaming everybody will not > > wash..We know that Kibaki > > has failed..stop this fallacy of two principals and > put the > > blame where it > > belongs..Even before 2007 Kibaki had failed > > (Goldenberg..Anglo-leasing..tribalism..standard > raid..artur > > scandal and many > > more) but tribalists still voted for him for one > reason > > that he spoke the same > > language as them. Mount Kenya elite have failed this > > country by brainwashing > > their people to believe in tribalism..Kenya today is a > > failed state because of > > Mount Kenya elites supported by masses who are > brainwashed > > to believe that > > Kenya's leadership is an entitlement to them. Its > very > > sad that a group of > > people can bring a good country like kenya to its > > knees..very sad John > > Kamau...very sad... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, john kamau > > > wrote: > > > > > From: john kamau > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Sad day for Kenya > > > To: "young" > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:20 AM > > > Another sad day for Kenya, > > > ?Two young promising sons of Kenya fallen under > the > > hail > > > of bullets. Reason they spoke against the > injustices > > that > > > have become part of the system.. > > > Kenyans watch the sad news on TV and listen to > other > > news > > > broadcasts via radios, Kenyans are eagerly > waiting for > > the > > > readership of President Kibaki and Prime minster > Raila > > > Ondinga to show us the way forward. What do they > see? > > Same > > > old circus: The Government is to blame for this > > heinous > > > crime; says Raila. > > > But even as Kenyans are dying of hunger the > masters of > > > deceit are busy colluding with foreigners albeit > at a > > > distance.? Mungiki is roaming our streets > freely, > > neither > > > Raila nor his cronies raising a finger when this > thugs > > run > > > amok killing and destroying peoples lives. Some > thing > > is > > > wrong. Raila raises the issue of 50-50 JUST AS > ALL > > THIS IS > > > going on. Before you shout the loudest condemning > me, > > let me > > > repeat?. Kibaki has Failed Kenyans and Raila is > no > > MOSES. > > > This two should quit the circus and Give Kenyans > a new > > > constitution NOW. Kenyans will take it from > there. ? > > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jbatec at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 09:20:13 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed Message-ID: <798621.4704.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? Raila for once did the right thing to be able to stand?out his ground and call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who have been enjoying?protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of the Public but of their own stomach. Even?though Raila and ODM team have a half backed cake presently, they have power enough to wield towards wishes of the electorate.??With or without powers in the set-up of ruling Coalition Government, the goal can be achieved.? They are better off fixing loopholes bit by pieces and by denouncing corruption and?pushing towards constitutional change to be top in the Agenda and as is?the cry for many.? One good thing?PM Raila?can do is to speak up aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive advisors not coward ones or petty selfish type, to shout down the likes of Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, Uhuru, Beth Mugo?etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear too).?Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to function.?He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. ?He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can start to?believe in him. ? No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.??People must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair trial.? ? What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and panicking for cover-up. ? Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is everyones right. ? We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are treated to a movie that?the Government is trying to hide something which must be unveiled.? We do not want?to see people like Mutua who keep trying to preach the gospel under influence.? ? If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or pressure?by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights?of?pathetic situation?of people and not just a temporary curtain?demonstration before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these donor money disappear to?once they are received into the country, he must find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously once it gets into the country.? It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he?should do to be able to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with action pact.? Ofcourse, we all love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no matter who it is. ? Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How?the Mungiki was formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious?Kikuyu sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? They were thugs for hire.??They were?politically balooned by the Mt. Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for?their demands?deals?which made them fall out of favour with President Kibaki.? Their leadership?were seen going to?State House?to meet with?Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? ? The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get out of control and eventually overpowers?and consumes the owner. Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership?squables go separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel groups squads headed?by different marshals.?The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry?to a point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.??In order to survive they offered available services to political environment willing buyer willing seller.?As the?Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU?of Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too?got divided into groups with independent leadership for divegent opportunities?to support varying interests.?? ? Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and?Police boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going on. ? Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and provide for the much needed constitution reform.? ? The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling political jungle before?the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change change him as well. ? My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? News Raila on the warpath ? By?SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted?Saturday, March 7?2009?at?21:43 In Summary Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country?s security agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be brought to an end and the rule of law restored. Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in investigating the latest killings ? those of Oscar Foundation director Oscar King?ara and official Paul Oulu. And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet ministers. The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that brought his ODM and President Kibaki?s Party of National Unity together. On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take its course. The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the execution-style killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ?rule by the gun the security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.? He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country?s justice system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up charges to justify their actions. On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and State House Road Intense scrutiny Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking outrage from the public. Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two human rights activists were apprehended immediately. ?We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ? you cannot politicise everything,? Mr Kenyatta said. ?We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the party has been given and serve Kenyans.? The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate Thursday?s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ?offer immediate assistance.? ?The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is able to begin working immediately on the investigation,? read part of the note dated March 6, 2009 In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. ?The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in our country,? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up call to the government. ?For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the spotlight,? she said. But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country?s institutions were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. Criminal activities ?We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities and take legal action as fast as possible,? she said. On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are competent and would continue handling the matter. The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other businesses . Earlier on Thursday Mr King?ara had spoken by mobile phone to an official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. ?But little did we know that it would end so tragically,? the KNHCR official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday Nation. According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening shooting by several men who had blocked the victims? vehicle with their cars, the attackers grabbed the men?s phones, removed the SIM cards and smashed the sets. The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang?a and Nyahururu. Proposed reforms On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public confidence in law enforcement agencies. Speaking at Alliance Girls? High School, Budalang?i MP Ababu Namwamba said, ?any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.? The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. ?We can fight crime legally without killing people,? he said. On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a confrontation with police after Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu were killed. Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor ? Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru ? By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that > the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of > the coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and > not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in > Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they > would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out > of the coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP > Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central > Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus > Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's > move to forge an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could > result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General > Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of > them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them > well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major > political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would > also include the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his > mobile phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will > move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution > of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within > ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern > would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also > dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have > many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. ? Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM From: "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts To: "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." jambo at publiceyesite.org ? ? Judy ? I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? 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Keen Nyamwange -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mathewsogutu at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 09:18:52 2009 From: mathewsogutu at gmail.com (Mathews) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:18:52 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: HOW IS CITY CENTRE? In-Reply-To: <228623.78517.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <185672.5440.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <228623.78517.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Was from Mombasa road the last 30mins. Traffic is heavy too. Avoid all roads leading to Nairobi Campus as they have been blocked by police to deter students getting to the city center. The stretch from Nyayo house roundabout towards westlands is closed. All traffic from westlands is diverted from museum hill. I think this information will help you. Have a safe evening. Matt. On 3/10/09, subaru wrx wrote: > > hey yps. > > am in inda but al be goin to tao @ 5. > for those in tao,how is it? > ni kubaya? am a former comrade but staki kurisk > > > > > -- Mathews O. Ogutu ICT Consultant P.O.Box 3337 00100 Nairobi Cell: 254-723-714 000 Alt E-mail:- mathewsogutu at yahoo.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The second alternative is to go to times tower and get the log book owner. its a process though. ? My only worry is the growing trend with drivers nowadays. Maybe because they know the process to get them is very detailed and they can escape for a while. i hope ?this car is caught and the guy is made to pay dearly for the damage caused. ? ? Ndinda Mutyota "I believe the best master piece of a person is learning how to live with a purpose" --- On Tue, 3/10/09, esther njeri wrote: From: esther njeri Subject: [YP_Ke] Rogue driver. KBD 617K To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 8:25 AM Hi Yp's, My car was hit and damaged extensively as i entered cvs plaza along kasuku road off lenana road in kilimani area. The security officers at cvs plaza managed to get the rogue driver's car plates KBD 617K, sky blue saloon. Unfortunately, they didn't manage to get the make. Anyone with details of the whereabout driver/car, kindly get in touch with me. 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Please contact me immediately if you are or know Douglas Aming'a.? These papers seem to be time sensitive and may have a dateline.? Thank you. ? Keen Nyamwange (Illinois) --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Keen Nyamwange wrote: From: Keen Nyamwange Subject: Douglas Aming'a To: "Oped Africa" , "Talkback Forum" , "Mwanyagetinge Group" , "Jaluo Jaluo" , "Publiceyesite Jambo" , "KACA KACA" , "Mwamogusii Mwamogusii" , "Mwananchi Mwananchi" Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 9:56 AM I have very very important papers that were mailed to my address by mistake..? Douglas or whoever knows him, please contact me immediately. ? Keen Nyamwange -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 10:13:51 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Being wrongly influenced! Message-ID: <812906.22131.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In this world, it so happens that we have people that are so close to us; people that we sometimes look up to! A few examples will suffice. -We each have friends that we hang around with -Our children have friends with other children who mean so much to them -We see ourselves as first belonging to a certain tribe and not a country. And because of this kind of mentality, we do everything we can to promote and fight for our own even when there is enough evidence that there is a problem somewhere -We have friends, family members, our tribesmen/women at the top and sometimes tend to follow and do whatever they tell us to without weighing their way of doing and seeing things -We belong to a certain church and love our pastor so much that we don't want to hear anything negative about him/her. If, say, our pastor has a problem, we fail to help him/her and in the end, he/she suffers the grave consequences All these is fine except for the following: -Some of us fail to see that we are following a wrong crowd until its forever too late -The statement,"show me your company and I will tell you your character says it all." -"By beholding, we become changed." There is no way you can hang around so much with someone without starting to talk or behave like them -With time, it's possible that like your friends/family/hero, you will start hating people who haven't done anything to you. I have even seen parents who move from church A that they were actively involved in to church B, because they were either influenced by their friends or by the children,s friends In all our interaction with others, let us be careful with their influence and way of doing things. Yes, its important to have friends that we can hang around with or look up to. What we don't want to do, it to become copy cats! Shunning such mentality will go along way of helping you and I. I want to be careful from now hence. How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 21:37:26 2009 From: kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com (Kenya Christian Fellowship,NJ) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] NxT LvL Music Official Invite- Healer Messiah CD Launch Concert w/Lilian Okore Message-ID: <298908.20028.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? ? ? ? Peace and Grace be multiplied to you all! We are excited about what the Lord is doing in regards to the CD project. Thank you for your prayers and support. Please continue lifting us up in prayer as the day draws neigh. Attached is the event flier, please send it out to every one you know in your life! Thanks and see u there! 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My point is, when these people are alive, or are close to us, do we appreciate them? Do we tell them how valuable they are to us? Let us appreciate each other while we still live. Show an act of kindness to somebody. It could be your spouse, your boss, your child, a workmate, your house girl, tell them today what they mean to you. It could be someone on this forum who has been a blessing to you even though you have never met, when you appreciate someone, it brings out the best in them and the bad that might be there is overshadowed. It increases the value of that person. If someone has wronged you, forgive them, be the first to approach them, you will feel so much lighter! If you wronged somebody, go to them, ask them for forgiveness, pride and arrogance are our own greatest enemies, they will make you miss an opportunity. Let us not say, 'I wish i had told him/her, or i wish i could have done it....' You have today to make amends, tomorrow may not be yours. Do the right thing, even if it is not what people expect of you! Go for it! Have a blessed day. Shalom! Terry --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josiah.ogalo at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 03:08:04 2009 From: josiah.ogalo at gmail.com (OJ) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] POLITICS IN KENYA...... Message-ID: <48c0ab15-5365-44b6-8d64-f2981b6bb1c3@e15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> YPs_Ke Hallo good members. I love the politics of Kenya and Kenyan themselves. I think sometimes the media is also run out of stories, they divert and instead of playing their rightful role of informing, educating as well as voicing the voiceless majority...they out monetary gains ahead of their sacred duties mentioned earlier. They have tried much when they started talking of diverted politics...that our politicians are wasting time politicking at the expense of real issues.....hunger, food insecurity and infrastructure development, rising costs of living - fuel and food. The Ruto - Uhuru alliance has since diverted the good course the media started to fight....highlighting the bad culture of our leaders and their reluctance to attend to electorate needs. How does this benefit us as Kenyans....if the said alliance goes ahead..then am sure Kenya will become the most hopeless of all countries in Africa! For sure we know the 2002 grouping.....Uhuru and Ruto were in KANU....together! What will their getting together bring to us! The same to any other old guard who will solicit for our votes in 2012.....I find no one fit to have my vote save may be Githongo, Mati, PLO, etc.... My take, Josiah --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:45:12 +0000 Size: 701742 URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 21:06:16 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed Message-ID: <51234.55052.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? First things first.? It is?logical to tackle issues from existing points where mistakes are pinpointed to improve situation for the future.? Our future here is 2012.? We want food now to save lives in the present.? We want responsible good leadership to provide constitutional reform now?so that, come 2012 we have policy beacons guides to follow for 2012 election.?Without which there will be no election come 2012. ? However, there is a team entrusted to do just that.? This team is headed by?President Kibaki and PM Raila who together own Grand Coalition Government with?Party Titles of PNU and ODM.? The two teams are on the field playing.? If at this point their playing match do not appeal or are below standards then they face disqualification.? Disqualification will be met with New Political Order to complete unfinished work by the two grouping parties after which the platform will be levelled to provide for fresh Teams?on a race, championing for fresh mandate for 2012.? It will be a waste of time for the likes of Ruto and Uhuru and the rest to scramble for election now.? It is foolshardy.? New emerging groups (who are not in the current leadership) should show their skills by sharpening their tools now, doing what needs done, what the electorate expects of them and deliver what needs delivered, or challenge what need challenged, confront presents leaders with reality and facts. They should be busy taking present leadership to task to make sure they deliver according to their promises,?what needs done and where they have stumbled.? We have to discuss in all forums issue oriented backed with facts. ? My take therefore,?PM Raila?for once did the right thing to be able to stand?out his ground and call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who have been enjoying?protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of the Public but of their own stomach. Even?though Raila and ODM team have a half backed cake presently, they still have power enough to wield towards wishes of the electorate.??With or without powers in the set-up of present ruling Coalition Government, the goal can still be achieved through pressure.? They are better off fixing loopholes bit by pieces by denouncing corruption and?pushing constitutional change?to be?top in their Agenda.? One good thing?PM Raila?can do is to speak up aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive advisors not coward or petty selfish types, to shout down the likes of Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, Uhuru, Beth Mugo?etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear too).?Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to function.?He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. ?He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can start to?believe in him. ? No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.??People must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair trial.? ? What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and panicking for cover-up. ? Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is everyones right. ? We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are treated to a movie that?the Government is trying to hide something which must be unveiled.? We do not want?to see people like Mutua who keep trying to preach the gospel under influence.? ? If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or pressure?by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights?of?pathetic situation?of people and not just a temporary curtain?demonstration before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these donor money disappear to?once they are received into the country, he must find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously once it gets into the country.? It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he?should do to be able to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with action pact.? Ofcourse, we all love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no matter who it is. ? Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How?the Mungiki was formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious?Kikuyu sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? They were thugs for hire.??They were?politically balooned by the Mt. Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for?their demands?deals?which made them fall out of favour with President Kibaki.? Their leadership?were seen going to?State House?to meet with?Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? ? The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get out of control and eventually overpowers?and consumes the owner. Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership?squables go separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel groups squads headed?by different marshals.?The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry?to a point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.??In order to survive they offered available services to political environment willing buyer willing seller.?As the?Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU?of Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too?got divided into groups with independent leadership for divegent opportunities?to support varying interests.?? ? Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and?Police boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going on. ? Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and provide for the much needed constitution reform.? ? The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling political jungle before?the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change change him as well. ? My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? News Raila on the warpath ? By?SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted?Saturday, March 7?2009?at?21:43 In Summary Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country?s security agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be brought to an end and the rule of law restored. Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in investigating the latest killings ? those of Oscar Foundation director Oscar King?ara and official Paul Oulu. And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet ministers. The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that brought his ODM and President Kibaki?s Party of National Unity together. On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take its course. The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the execution-style killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ?rule by the gun the security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.? He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country?s justice system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up charges to justify their actions. On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and State House Road Intense scrutiny Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking outrage from the public. Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two human rights activists were apprehended immediately. ?We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ? you cannot politicise everything,? Mr Kenyatta said. ?We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the party has been given and serve Kenyans.? The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate Thursday?s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ?offer immediate assistance.? ?The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is able to begin working immediately on the investigation,? read part of the note dated March 6, 2009 In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. ?The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in our country,? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up call to the government. ?For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the spotlight,? she said. But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country?s institutions were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. Criminal activities ?We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities and take legal action as fast as possible,? she said. On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are competent and would continue handling the matter. The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other businesses . Earlier on Thursday Mr King?ara had spoken by mobile phone to an official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. ?But little did we know that it would end so tragically,? the KNHCR official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday Nation. According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening shooting by several men who had blocked the victims? vehicle with their cars, the attackers grabbed the men?s phones, removed the SIM cards and smashed the sets. The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang?a and Nyahururu. Proposed reforms On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public confidence in law enforcement agencies. Speaking at Alliance Girls? High School, Budalang?i MP Ababu Namwamba said, ?any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.? The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. ?We can fight crime legally without killing people,? he said. On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a confrontation with police after Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu were killed. Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor ? Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru ? By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that > the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of > the coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and > not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in > Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they > would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out > of the coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP > Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central > Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus > Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's > move to forge an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could > result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General > Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of > them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them > well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major > political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would > also include the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his > mobile phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will > move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution > of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within > ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern > would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also > dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have > many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. ? Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM From: "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts To: "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." jambo at publiceyesite.org ? ? Judy ? I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amosogal at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 05:14:56 2009 From: amosogal at gmail.com (Lee Makwiny) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:14:56 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: UON Squandered a Great Opportunity In-Reply-To: <473719.54865.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <203255.72082.qm@web25504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <473719.54865.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <594ded440903110214o20e74094k9c1debbee2c021f8@mail.gmail.com> I wonder whether some of us here have never been part of any demonstration. The student wasted a big opportunity, just like our journalist when they failed to ask HE questions. On 3/11/09, Carole Abiero wrote: > > > Charles u right on this! infact they hve ashamed us too. And i dont think > we want such piple as future leaders. > > carol > > --- On *Wed, 3/11/09, charles mwabili * wrote: > > From: charles mwabili > Subject: [YP_Ke] UON Squandered a Great Opportunity > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:14 AM > > If you have read today's (11th Mar '09) dailies, you must have been > ashamed by the behaviour of our students in our premier institution of > learning, University of Nairobi. > They had yesterday asked to stage a demontration to protest the wanton > killing last week of Oscar Foundation officials as well as a student within > the University precincts. > They had a support of non other than Prime Minister Raila Odinga himself. > > But see what they did! > > Instead of sticking to their course, they resorted to a looting spree and > molesting of innocent motorists and pedestrians. Bolocking highways and > forcefully stealing from them. There is a picture of some of them running > away with loaves of bread from Nakumatt Lifestyle! > Is the kind of protest they wanted to make? Was this their way of a > peaceful public protest? Will the authorities ever licence them to hold any > other 'peaceful' demontrations? In any case they have ashamed the PM for > standing up with them in their course. > > Granted - we all are angry by the deaths of the officials - but is this the > kind of protest the slain officials woud have loved to see in protest of > their deaths or in support for their course??? > > Education is meant to shape one's perception of issues and handiling them > in the most scholarly way possible but our students at the University have > put this to shame. Their way of thinking is no better than of village > hooligans who've known no school. > No wonder most local employers have taken to hiring expartriates for jobs > that can be done by our local graduates! > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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When kanu youth wingers could invade your home and impound your chicken, and all this with the tacit approval from the President, to the provincial administration. Those were the days that all the youths, more so in central province got the idea that being jobless was beneficial. With the ideas having come from the then dreaded kanu youth wingers, the groups of Jirongo and Ruto, Youth for Kanu 92 was just an improvement of kanu youth wingers. They had learnt under the tutelage of Moi that you could coarse and blackmail to get money. You could invade and attack to get money. When Kanu appeared to be loosing steam, the youths in central province, being money minded, had learned quickly and they mutated from kanu youth wingers, to Youth for Kanu 92, to Mungiki. The end is what you have now. 2] Ruto is sinking At the time Kenya went for the Referendum in 2005, William Samoei Ruto was able to hoodwink Kenyans that he had some semblance of democracy in him. So eloquent was he in the campaign trail that many Kenyans saw in him a possible future president. I am sorry that has gone with the winds. Again, take with me a walk down memory lane; immediately after the referendum win, Ruto started discussions with one Kalonzo Musyoka, he who would in 2007 betray the trust of Kenyans. When he saw that Raila was gaining an upper hand in Rift Valley without him, Ruto promptly jumped ship and strategically joined Team Raila. He knew that a Raila win in Rift Valley was going to add value to him if he played himself strategically.. After Raila won the last elections and signs were clear that Kibaki was stealing the votes, Ruto was strategically at KICC not to fight for Raila, but to fight for William Ruto. He was able to make Kenyans forget that he was the architect of the infamous Youth for Kanu 92. He made Kenyans forget that as rich as he is, he cannot account for how he acquired this wealth. Then Ruto started playing mind games with Hon Raila. He could go back to his backyard to antagonize Raila at any given opportunity. In between, he would be sneaked to state house for debriefing. He would come back and steal some maize, go back to state house for more debriefings, go to Rift Valley to insight the people against Raila and on and on. He then rolled out a massive theft of maize and gave his supporters the leeway. This made Kenyans for the first time to buy maize at 120.00 per 2kg packet. I doubt if Kenyans can trust this maize thief. He then bank rolls parliament with proceeds from the maize theft, helped by the proceeds from oil theft [Kiraitu], and he wins. But this does not vindicate him in the eye of Kenyans; he is still a maize thief and many Kenyans are dying of hunger because Ruto played politics with our maize. [Where playing means stealing]. Of late, he is organizing Kanu to reclaim power. He has forgotten what kanu did to the Kenyan economy that made Kenyans vote kanu out in 2002. He has forgotten that Kenyans know how he made his money. He has forgotten that Kenyans can see through him. Ruto thinks that he is very smart, that he is able. He is just but a maize thief. And we cannot trust such a turn coat with Kenya. If we are to vote in another Kanlenjin, he will not be Ruto. Or Ruto is the best from there? Again, after killing many Kikuyus in Rift Valley and making many more homeless, is Ruto the kind of saviour the Kikuyu want? Gime me a break! As for the Kikuyus, after sacking all Kalenjins from government, can they pretend to be friends with the same Kalenjins now? Too sad he will never be the President of Kenya. He could only be when elections will be open to thieves only. God save Kenya from the Ruto evil schemes. 3] Uhuru Kenyatta This is the only person who abdicated the office of the leader of official opposition to join a sitting president who happens to be his tribesman. The case was so clear; power to remain in the house of mumbi for ever. Then he came out to organize the mungiki attack against the Luo in Naivasha. He even said as much in several rallies across central province. He is the only person besides Ruto who appears deeply tribal even as he wants the presidency. He hates the Luo with a passion. Honestly, can Kenyans choose such an avowed tribalist to the presidency. The little said about Uhuru the better. Just watch him, look at his eyes and tell me if you can see leadership. The man is so angry. He could kill all the Luos on sight. 4] Migingo Island Has it ever crossed your mind that the Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces has kept a studious silence as Uganda annexes Migingo Island? Do you ever know what he discusses with Museveni? Do you remember how with the help of Museveni they killed many people in kisumu? That should tell you what Kibaki is. 5] Kenyans I must be very clear on this. Kenya has 42 tribes officially. Since Independence we have had 2 Kikuyu presidents and 1 Kalenjin President. Time has come for someone else. These people have proved that they cannot manage the affairs of Kenya to the best interest of Kenyans. Kenya is a failed state basically due to the inept leadership from the 2 Kikuyus and the 1 Kalenjin. Not that the Kikuyus and the Kalenjins are bad. But Uhuru and Ruto are the wrong people to tell Kenyans what Kenyans want. Uhuru was imposed on leadership against his will, while Ruto does not see any leadership position from which he cannot steal. Kenyans must move on and test someone else. That someone else will be Raila Odinga. He is the only person present on the scene who can inspire change if given the reigns. Look at how cool the man is as he is being conned of leadership by Kibaki. Look at how cool the man is as Ruto plays childish games at his backyard. Look at how cool he is handlying his duties against all huddles. He has the level head that can hold Kenya together. Let us give him a try and shun tribalism to the dustbin of history. Oh, what about Kalonzo Musyoka? He is lost. ? Kamau J Njuguna. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredwamalwa at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 11 05:39:03 2009 From: fredwamalwa at yahoo.co.uk (Fredrick Wamalwa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:39:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Jambo] [MULEMBE] Mungiki is a creation of Moi Message-ID: <671465.29168.qm@web25502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Njuguna: What an analysis. I have become confused angaging in Kenya politics. Who is to be trusted??? --- On Wed, 11/3/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: [MULEMBE] Mungiki is a creation of Moi To: "bbc" , "BBC" , "ccr" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, letters at eastandard.net, mailbox at nation.co.ke, "mulembe" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Raila Odinga" , publiceyet at aol.com, "White House U.S.A." , "youthagenda" Cc: "africa-oped" , africa.journal at reuters.com, africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, afrocentrikworld at yahoogroups.com, akipkemboi at eastandard.net, "cnn" , editor at nation.co.ke, editors at newsweek.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "jaluo" , "kol" , madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Judy Miriga" , "mwananchi" , news at ktnkenya.com, "Raila Odinga" , "panafricanist" , "ugandacom" Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 11:32 AM 1] Mungiki is a creation of Moi It might sound funny, but walk with me down memory lane. Those days when Kanu was baba na mama. When kanu youth wingers called the shots. When kanu youth wingers could invade your home and impound your chicken, and all this with the tacit approval from the President, to the provincial administration. Those were the days that all the youths, more so in central province got the idea that being jobless was beneficial. With the ideas having come from the then dreaded kanu youth wingers, the groups of Jirongo and Ruto, Youth for Kanu 92 was just an improvement of kanu youth wingers. They had learnt under the tutelage of Moi that you could coarse and blackmail to get money. You could invade and attack to get money. When Kanu appeared to be loosing steam, the youths in central province, being money minded, had learned quickly and they mutated from kanu youth wingers, to Youth for Kanu 92, to Mungiki. The end is what you have now. 2] Ruto is sinking At the time Kenya went for the Referendum in 2005, William Samoei Ruto was able to hoodwink Kenyans that he had some semblance of democracy in him. So eloquent was he in the campaign trail that many Kenyans saw in him a possible future president. I am sorry that has gone with the winds. Again, take with me a walk down memory lane; immediately after the referendum win, Ruto started discussions with one Kalonzo Musyoka, he who would in 2007 betray the trust of Kenyans. When he saw that Raila was gaining an upper hand in Rift Valley without him, Ruto promptly jumped ship and strategically joined Team Raila. He knew that a Raila win in Rift Valley was going to add value to him if he played himself strategically. After Raila won the last elections and signs were clear that Kibaki was stealing the votes, Ruto was strategically at KICC not to fight for Raila, but to fight for William Ruto. He was able to make Kenyans forget that he was the architect of the infamous Youth for Kanu 92. He made Kenyans forget that as rich as he is, he cannot account for how he acquired this wealth. Then Ruto started playing mind games with Hon Raila. He could go back to his backyard to antagonize Raila at any given opportunity. In between, he would be sneaked to state house for debriefing. He would come back and steal some maize, go back to state house for more debriefings, go to Rift Valley to insight the people against Raila and on and on. He then rolled out a massive theft of maize and gave his supporters the leeway. This made Kenyans for the first time to buy maize at 120.00 per 2kg packet. I doubt if Kenyans can trust this maize thief. He then bank rolls parliament with proceeds from the maize theft, helped by the proceeds from oil theft [Kiraitu], and he wins. But this does not vindicate him in the eye of Kenyans; he is still a maize thief and many Kenyans are dying of hunger because Ruto played politics with our maize. [Where playing means stealing]. Of late, he is organizing Kanu to reclaim power. He has forgotten what kanu did to the Kenyan economy that made Kenyans vote kanu out in 2002. He has forgotten that Kenyans know how he made his money.. He has forgotten that Kenyans can see through him. Ruto thinks that he is very smart, that he is able. He is just but a maize thief. And we cannot trust such a turn coat with Kenya . If we are to vote in another Kanlenjin, he will not be Ruto. Or Ruto is the best from there? Again, after killing many Kikuyus in Rift Valley and making many more homeless, is Ruto the kind of saviour the Kikuyu want? Gime me a break! As for the Kikuyus, after sacking all Kalenjins from government, can they pretend to be friends with the same Kalenjins now? Too sad he will never be the President of Kenya. He could only be when elections will be open to thieves only. God save Kenya from the Ruto evil schemes. 3] Uhuru Kenyatta This is the only person who abdicated the office of the leader of official opposition to join a sitting president who happens to be his tribesman. The case was so clear; power to remain in the house of mumbi for ever. Then he came out to organize the mungiki attack against the Luo in Naivasha. He even said as much in several rallies across central province. He is the only person besides Ruto who appears deeply tribal even as he wants the presidency. He hates the Luo with a passion. Honestly, can Kenyans choose such an avowed tribalist to the presidency. The little said about Uhuru the better. Just watch him, look at his eyes and tell me if you can see leadership. The man is so angry. He could kill all the Luos on sight. 4] Migingo Island Has it ever crossed your mind that the Commander-in- Chief of our Armed Forces has kept a studious silence as Uganda annexes Migingo Island ? Do you ever know what he discusses with Museveni? Do you remember how with the help of Museveni they killed many people in kisumu? That should tell you what Kibaki is. 5] Kenyans I must be very clear on this. Kenya has 42 tribes officially. Since Independence we have had 2 Kikuyu presidents and 1 Kalenjin President. Time has come for someone else. These people have proved that they cannot manage the affairs of Kenya to the best interest of Kenyans. Kenya is a failed state basically due to the inept leadership from the 2 Kikuyus and the 1 Kalenjin. Not that the Kikuyus and the Kalenjins are bad. But Uhuru and Ruto are the wrong people to tell Kenyans what Kenyans want. Uhuru was imposed on leadership against his will, while Ruto does not see any leadership position from which he cannot steal. Kenyans must move on and test someone else. That someone else will be Raila Odinga. He is the only person present on the scene who can inspire change if given the reigns. Look at how cool the man is as he is being conned of leadership by Kibaki. Look at how cool the man is as Ruto plays childish games at his backyard. Look at how cool he is handlying his duties against all huddles. He has the level head that can hold Kenya together. Let us give him a try and shun tribalism to the dustbin of history. Oh, what about Kalonzo Musyoka? He is lost. ? Kamau J Njuguna. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar MARKETPLACE >From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Group Charity i-SAFE Keep your kids safer online Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Passionate about cars? Check out the Auto Enthusiast Zone. Yahoo! Groups Join people over 40 who are finding ways to stay in shape. . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckunyuga at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 07:41:52 2009 From: ckunyuga at yahoo.com (caroline kunyuga) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] KENYA POLICE In-Reply-To: <181c75910903110245j68c61a81t66bf3e82d670df16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <196325.52970.qm@web58708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Gichana Unatoga wabi? China yago nani? Baba yago nani? Unataga nini? Gan you Brotuce your IT? Basi if you gannot brotuce your IT Wabi Gitambulisho? If you gannot brotuce Gitambulisho Wabi dribers licenze If you gannot broduce the three gavament toguments Twende mbele! (But I am innocent), Gichana,unatusi nani? Unabigiria hatugusoma?Wacha niguambie gichana. Nigo na tigiri tatu;ya hii rungu,ya hii bunduki,na ya gugimbia. Nabenda sana gutumia ya rungu kunyorosa wachinga kama wewe. Ati unasema ugo innocent. Innocent gitu gani? Unachua sasa ni saa gapi? (Saa nane usiku afisa) Guna watu aina tatu inatembea wagati huu. Mchawi,mwizi na malaya.Sasa wewe ni nani? Haguna mutu innozent Genya We gan charge you with anything Unataga gani? Smoking with violence Looging at a vemale gender with breach of gontract Looging at a cavament builting zuzbiciously With indend to gommit mutter. Unataga gani? Unaweza guchitetea? Gitu gani hii? Ati fifty bob Hata haiwezi gununua jiwing gum.Toa pesa gichana (Nibakishie bus fare) Ogay, You are a law apiting ziticen Unataga tuguzindikishe?Haya twende?.. --- On Wed, 3/11/09, josiah ogalo wrote: > From: josiah ogalo > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: UON Squandered a Great Opportunity > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 2:45 AM > Mwabili, > You are right in condemning the violence that followed the > students > "peaceful" demonstration yesterday. > However I do take issue with your talk about local > graduates. You > categorically say employers don;t hesitate to hire > expatriates....meaning > local graduates can't do job better? That is a > lie.....the world over Kenyan > graduates dominate; ie > Insurnace industry is dominated by Kenyan citizens, same to > education > sector, > Kenyan doctors ndio wamejaa Botswana.....let us not talk of > TZ or UG,...CPA > is pursued by East Afrcicans..... > > As a country, we're suffering brain drain....why? Then > you say local grads > are no better? Think twice my brother! Some students sat > back or went home > and thus were not involved in the looting which is wrong > and must be > condemned! > > So next time you condemn an act be clear not to conclude > thus! Ok > > My take.... > > Josiah Ogalo > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM, henry ouma > wrote: > > > I find this reasonable and thus support the > sentiments. > > > > --- On *Wed, 3/11/09, charles mwabili > * wrote: > > > > From: charles mwabili > > Subject: [YP_Ke] UON Squandered a Great Opportunity > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:14 AM > > > > If you have read today's (11th Mar '09) > dailies, you must have been > > ashamed by the behaviour of our students in our > premier institution of > > learning, University of Nairobi. > > They had yesterday asked to stage a demontration to > protest the wanton > > killing last week of Oscar Foundation officials as > well as a student within > > the University precincts. > > They had a support of non other than Prime Minister > Raila Odinga himself. > > > > But see what they did! > > > > Instead of sticking to their course, they resorted to > a looting spree and > > molesting of innocent motorists and pedestrians. > Bolocking highways and > > forcefully stealing from them. There is a picture of > some of them running > > away with loaves of bread from Nakumatt Lifestyle! > > Is the kind of protest they wanted to make? Was this > their way of a > > peaceful public protest? Will the authorities ever > licence them to hold any > > other 'peaceful' demontrations? In any case > they have ashamed the PM for > > standing up with them in their course. > > > > Granted - we all are angry by the deaths of the > officials - but is this the > > kind of protest the slain officials woud have loved to > see in protest of > > their deaths or in support for their course??? > > > > Education is meant to shape one's perception of > issues and handiling them > > in the most scholarly way possible but our students at > the University have > > put this to shame. Their way of thinking is no better > than of village > > hooligans who've known no school. > > No wonder most local employers have taken to hiring > expartriates for jobs > > that can be done by our local graduates! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > China yago nani? Baba yago nani? Unataga nini? Gan you Brotuce your IT? Basi if you gannot brotuce your IT Wabi Gitambulisho? If you gannot brotuce Gitambulisho Wabi dribers licenze If you gannot broduce the three gavament toguments Twende mbele! (But I am innocent), Gichana,unatusi nani? Unabigiria hatugusoma?Wacha niguambie gichana. Nigo na tigiri tatu;ya hii rungu,ya hii bunduki,na ya gugimbia. Nabenda sana gutumia ya rungu kunyorosa wachinga kama wewe. Ati unasema ugo innocent. Innocent gitu gani? Unachua sasa ni saa gapi? (Saa nane usiku afisa) Guna watu aina tatu inatembea wagati huu. Mchawi,mwizi na malaya.Sasa wewe ni nani? Haguna mutu innozent Genya We gan charge you with anything Unataga gani? Smoking with violence Looging at a vemale gender with breach of gontract Looging at a cavament builting zuzbiciously With indend to gommit mutter. Unataga gani? Unaweza guchitetea? Gitu gani hii? Ati fifty bob Hata haiwezi gununua jiwing gum.Toa pesa gichana (Nibakishie bus fare) Ogay, You are a law apiting ziticen Unataga tuguzindikishe?Haya twende?.. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From amenya.gibson at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 08:47:34 2009 From: amenya.gibson at gmail.com (amenya gibson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:47:34 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: LOST KCSE CERTIFICATE In-Reply-To: <453821.45082.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47807.14126.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453821.45082.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54e76b740903110547h465e090aye1bf5f93f893d5d3@mail.gmail.com> Brother James Do not worry >From this year thanks for post violence elections and due to some innovative enterprising people who can make for you certificates on River Road at a higher fee and must faster than KNEC giving you letter everytime you want Now KNEC is issuing you with your certificates as long as you prove you lost them but you will pay something around Ksh 2,000 or above They amended their rigid law now Just walk in their office here in Nairobi and they will sort you out Good luck Gibson Amenya On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Joash Malawa wrote: > Its onlt KNEC that can assits of which they wont give you another,instead > they would only be confirming to the relevant authirities that you > successful did your exams.They can asol give aletter but not another cert. > > --- On *Wed, 3/11/09, james kamunge * wrote: > > From: james kamunge > Subject: [YP_Ke] LOST KCSE CERTIFICATE > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 5:12 AM > > > Guys!! > I lost my KCSE certificate and i need replacement as urgent as possible. > KNEC process is long and tiresome. Anyone out there who can advice on how to > get a copy. Pliz, not from river road. > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owinga2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 09:16:50 2009 From: owinga2000 at yahoo.com (owinga bonfas) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Mutula Kilonzo is Sick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791805.29244.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jayne Wachira we in this forum are not going to entertain lies juts because someone does not want to hear the truth. People like Mutula Kilonzo are used to political sycophancy just like Alfred Mutua and Moses Wetangula and that kind of behavior is killing this country,where a leader fights for his own stomach and not the people of Kenya. If Kibaki has failed as he has and made Kenya a failed state, we shall surely say that..If Mutula is misleading this country with such myopic and useless talk then we shall surely say it..If Alfred Mutua is misleading and misinforming this country,we shall surely point that out...this is a PROGRESSIVE FORUM..and a forum for pleasing anybody..We are a progressive youth who believe that with truth and forward thinking we cna help this country of ours.. Kenyans cannot demand results from a leader like Kibaki who will only call a press conference to talk about his family matters and not national hunger..not corruption..not constitutional review..not confusion in the coalition..not insecurity in the country..we shall not accept such negligence..we shall talk about it..You cannot demand results from a mouthy Minister like Mutula Kilonzo..Doesnt he know that ODM-Kenya was lst in december polls?..Lets be realistic..and pint out ills nomatter where the Minister hails from..we really dont care where they come from..what Kenyans want are straightforward leaders who serve the people and who lead from the front... --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: > From: Jayne Wachira > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:25 PM > We shouldnt take advantage of this forum to bring division. > Whether you > support ODM or whatever party, we have three more years to > go before we go > to ballot box or start hearing sentiments such as this. We > should demand > results from our leaders but not who is the leader of what > and which party > has majority MPS. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, odhiambo okecth > wrote: > > > *Mutula Kilonzo must be sick 6**th** March 2009* > > > > > > Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM > can take a walk, and > > they, PNU, can just appoint any other person to the > office of Prime > > Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila > had said that he does > > not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on > Raila again. Yes, ODM > > should take the walk if they so wish hakuna > kubembeleza, they should stop > > threatening the government of national unity. We are > tired...... > > > > > > Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when > Muthama was sent to > > antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila > has chosen to give > > Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as > Muthama was before > > him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And > Raila must not respond > > to them. > > > > I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua > was talking on behalf > > of Raila as well, Raila would know. Not Mutula. > Anyway, we will take this on > > another day. > > > > > > At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before > ODM came on board, > > there was a government in place, so there will still > be a government in > > place even if they packed and left. True, with or > without them, the > > government will continue to serve its people, nothing > stops. > > > > > > Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again > sent to go and read > > another press statement. And he read the same without > looking at the cameras > > even once. As usual, he was being used. Used by whom, > give circustancial > > evidence..... > > > > > > My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many > things. My take is with > > the two lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the > negotiation team. On the > > PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can > get it all that wrong, > > then I really pity them. interesting? > > > > > > After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted > like never before. This > > made the international community come on board to help > create peace. Many > > Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced. > Krieglar confirmed > > from his findings that he doesn't know who won and > both ODM and PNU were > > involved in stealing of election votes. > > > > > > It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it > seems like the two > > people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not > know why they went to > > the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the > process. What comes > > from their mouths makes me think so. Am amazed by > your sentiments that > > these two top notch lawyers, very brilliant and > intelligent dont know what > > they are doing....... > > > > > > Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity. > Kenyans did not trust > > him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the > Nation Media told me > > off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum > campaign. I did support > > Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can > now see clearly what > > Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right. > Mutula Kilonzo is just > > Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi > do all sorts of things > > for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like > Daniel. Raila too > > supported Moi when he was promised to be endorsed as > the preferred candidate > > for KANu, what did he do after he realised that was > not bound to happen, he > > jumped ship. > > > > > > This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of > deceit. He made his > > money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship > conveniently to join the > > forces of liberation without believing in the cause. > He seems not to know > > that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki > has 43 MPs, while > > Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59 > MPs. ODM on its own has > > 99 MPs. So? > > > > > > When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki > and Kalonzo have, it > > comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected > MPs. When you add > > nominated MPs, the Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while > ODM alliance has 112 > > MPs. Issues of who have more MPS than the other got > burried in the sand > > almost two years ago, tell us what ODM have done for > the Kenyans since they > > are majority in parliament. Selling of maize to > Sudan? > > > > > > These are facts well known to both Mutula and > Wetangula, and both of them > > are lawyers. I pity them. Interesting..... > > > > > > At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be > known as the > > National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that > the Prime Minister > > will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in > Parliament. It is a known > > fact that ODM is the single largest party in > Parliament. ODM has 99 elected > > MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19. ODM-K, [from > where Mutula gloats] has > > 16. The rest have one or two MPs. What are they doing > for the starving, > > jobless Kenyas with majority MPs?????. > > > > > > Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple > things? Even if you > > want to kiss ass, Lets mind the language we use I bet > you need to do it > > honourably. Did you here Mutula give a budget of 33T > for Nairobi > > Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy is worth? > This is simple > > madness. What is our economy worth to get everyone > become middle income > > earner? > > > > > > You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of > ODM-K, or Chama cha > > Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must > be the person who leads > > the largest party in Parliament, and that person is > Raila, like it or not. > > That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula > signed. And they must be > > knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? We > know Raila is the PM > > but what Mapinduzi has ODM brought - to support > University students > > demonstrate? > > > > > > Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting > with many Kenyans, > > Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do > is to create an > > enabling environment for national healing and > reconciliation. Are you > > doing that when you send such a mail?You cannot > promote national healing > > and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the way > Mutula and Wetangula > > are doing. > > > > > > The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big > disservice by talking the way > > they are. How? Even if we are to show their masters > that they deserve the > > positions they have been given, they must take into > account the intelligence > > of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each > other, not more > > conflict. Ok.... > > > > > > This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who > lives in Nyeri. It > > endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in > Kabartonjo. It makes life > > difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in > eternal peace as brothers > > and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are > spoiling for President > > Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in > history as the person who > > held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. Kibaki > stands to loose > > nothing after his term ends..... > > > > > > Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and > Wetangulas of this > > world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk > about with confidence > > into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be > easily lost. Dont we > > have ODM leaders who are corrupt? Why meantion PNU > leaders only............ > > > > > > If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack > Mutula and Wetangula > > for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest > counselors to the President, > > they have chosen to be auctioneers. So where do you > place Ruto? > > > > > > As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him. > Just like Muthama, > > Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing. > > > > > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > > > > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jbatec at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 21:04:18 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed Message-ID: <919591.19883.qm@web51912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, ? First things first.? It is?logical to tackle issues from existing points where mistakes are pinpointed to improve situation for the future.? Our future here is 2012.? We want food now to save lives in the present.? We want responsible good leadership to provide constitutional reform now?so that, come 2012 we have policy beacons guides to follow for 2012 election.?Without which there will be no election come 2012. ? However, there is a team entrusted to do just that.? This team is headed by?President Kibaki and PM Raila who together own Grand Coalition Government with?Party Titles of PNU and ODM.? The two teams are on the field playing.? If at this point their playing match do not appeal or are below standards then they face disqualification.? Disqualification will be met with New Political Order to complete unfinished work by the two grouping parties after which the platform will be levelled to provide for fresh Teams?on a race, championing for fresh mandate for 2012.? It will be a waste of time for the likes of Ruto and Uhuru and the rest to scramble for election now.? It is foolshardy.? New emerging groups (who are not in the current leadership) should show their skills by sharpening their tools now, doing what needs done, what the electorate expects of them and deliver what needs delivered, or challenge what need challenged, confront presents leaders with reality and facts. They should be busy taking present leadership to task to make sure they deliver according to their promises,?what needs done and where they have stumbled.? We have to discuss in all forums issue oriented backed with facts. ? My take therefore,?PM Raila?for once did the right thing to be able to stand?out his ground and call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who have been enjoying?protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of the Public but of their own stomach. Even?though Raila and ODM team have a half backed cake presently, they still have power enough to wield towards wishes of the electorate.??With or without powers in the set-up of present ruling Coalition Government, the goal can still be achieved through pressure.? They are better off fixing loopholes bit by pieces by denouncing corruption and?pushing constitutional change?to be?top in their Agenda.? One good thing?PM Raila?can do is to speak up aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive advisors not coward or petty selfish types, to shout down the likes of Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, Uhuru, Beth Mugo?etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear too).?Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to function.?He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. ?He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can start to?believe in him. ? No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.??People must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair trial.? ? What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and panicking for cover-up. ? Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is everyones right. ? We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are treated to a movie that?the Government is trying to hide something which must be unveiled.? We do not want?to see people like Mutua who keep trying to preach the gospel under influence.? ? If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or pressure?by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights?of?pathetic situation?of people and not just a temporary curtain?demonstration before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these donor money disappear to?once they are received into the country, he must find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously once it gets into the country.? It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he?should do to be able to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with action pact.? Ofcourse, we all love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no matter who it is. ? Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How?the Mungiki was formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious?Kikuyu sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? They were thugs for hire.??They were?politically balooned by the Mt. Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for?their demands?deals?which made them fall out of favour with President Kibaki.? Their leadership?were seen going to?State House?to meet with?Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? ? The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get out of control and eventually overpowers?and consumes the owner. Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership?squables go separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel groups squads headed?by different marshals.?The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry?to a point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.??In order to survive they offered available services to political environment willing buyer willing seller.?As the?Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU?of Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too?got divided into groups with independent leadership for divegent opportunities?to support varying interests.?? ? Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and?Police boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going on. ? Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and provide for the much needed constitution reform.? ? The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling political jungle before?the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change change him as well. ? My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? News Raila on the warpath ? By?SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted?Saturday, March 7?2009?at?21:43 In Summary Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country?s security agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be brought to an end and the rule of law restored. Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in investigating the latest killings ? those of Oscar Foundation director Oscar King?ara and official Paul Oulu. And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet ministers. The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that brought his ODM and President Kibaki?s Party of National Unity together. On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take its course. The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the execution-style killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ?rule by the gun the security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.? He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country?s justice system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up charges to justify their actions. On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and State House Road Intense scrutiny Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking outrage from the public. Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two human rights activists were apprehended immediately. ?We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ? you cannot politicise everything,? Mr Kenyatta said. ?We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the party has been given and serve Kenyans.? The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate Thursday?s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ?offer immediate assistance.? ?The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is able to begin working immediately on the investigation,? read part of the note dated March 6, 2009 In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. ?The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in our country,? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up call to the government. ?For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the spotlight,? she said. But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country?s institutions were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. Criminal activities ?We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities and take legal action as fast as possible,? she said. On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are competent and would continue handling the matter. The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other businesses . Earlier on Thursday Mr King?ara had spoken by mobile phone to an official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. ?But little did we know that it would end so tragically,? the KNHCR official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday Nation. According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening shooting by several men who had blocked the victims? vehicle with their cars, the attackers grabbed the men?s phones, removed the SIM cards and smashed the sets. The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang?a and Nyahururu. Proposed reforms On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public confidence in law enforcement agencies. Speaking at Alliance Girls? High School, Budalang?i MP Ababu Namwamba said, ?any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.? The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. ?We can fight crime legally without killing people,? he said. On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a confrontation with police after Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu were killed. Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor ? Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru ? By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that > the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of > the coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and > not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in > Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they > would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out > of the coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP > Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central > Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus > Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's > move to forge an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could > result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General > Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of > them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them > well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major > political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would > also include the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his > mobile phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will > move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution > of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within > ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern > would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also > dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have > many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. ? Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM From: "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts To: "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." jambo at publiceyesite.org ? ? Judy ? I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Their reaction, was a humbling experience to me. I truly thank the good Lord for using me to be a witness for Him. They were unwilling to let me go. They went to an extend of requesting me to work even if it means once a week. Much as I love cashier work, it has become hard working 30-40 hours a week and 40 plus hours as a pastor. Home visitation and hospital visitation that I love so much have suffered greatly! Besides, I need to grow Maranatha, help raise funds so as to buy our God a house of worship, and even help plant more churches in Minnesota and other States. The Lord has therefore impressed upon me to quit Walmart at this very challenging economic turn down times and concentrate on preaching the word. As always, my thoughts and prayers are with all those that I love like you! That's why I spent a good portion of my time to put down thoughts and send them your way. It's in view of this that I wish to solicit for your prayers once more on my ministry. Pray that I may be able to decrease so that the man of Galilee will increase; Yea, more than that, pray that I may continue to learn in great humility at the feet of the cross. Also pray that I may be able to reach many through visitation, e-mails, and my books! Will you promise to pray for me? Thanks a million. Pr Birai From phil_sompisha at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 13:36:49 2009 From: phil_sompisha at yahoo.com (phil sompisha) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed In-Reply-To: <51234.55052.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <713851.19451.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> To be honest, I just could not make sense of what you wrote.... --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed To: jaluo at jaluo.com, ackmwest at swiftkenya.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "dickens odhiambo" , "Elly Omondi Odhiambo" , "Jairus K'Onyiego" Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:06 PM Folks, ? First things first.? It is?logical to tackle issues from existing points where mistakes are pinpointed to improve situation for the future.? Our future here is 2012.? We want food now to save lives in the present.? We want responsible good leadership to provide constitutional reform now?so that, come 2012 we have policy beacons guides to follow for 2012 election.?Without which there will be no election come 2012. ? However, there is a team entrusted to do just that.? This team is headed by?President Kibaki and PM Raila who together own Grand Coalition Government with?Party Titles of PNU and ODM.? The two teams are on the field playing.? If at this point their playing match do not appeal or are below standards then they face disqualification.? Disqualification will be met with New Political Order to complete unfinished work by the two grouping parties after which the platform will be levelled to provide for fresh Teams?on a race, championing for fresh mandate for 2012.? It will be a waste of time for the likes of Ruto and Uhuru and the rest to scramble for election now.? It is foolshardy.? New emerging groups (who are not in the current leadership) should show their skills by sharpening their tools now, doing what needs done, what the electorate expects of them and deliver what needs delivered, or challenge what need challenged, confront presents leaders with reality and facts. They should be busy taking present leadership to task to make sure they deliver according to their promises,?what needs done and where they have stumbled.? We have to discuss in all forums issue oriented backed with facts. ? My take therefore,?PM Raila?for once did the right thing to be able to stand?out his ground and call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who have been enjoying?protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of the Public but of their own stomach. Even?though Raila and ODM team have a half backed cake presently, they still have power enough to wield towards wishes of the electorate.??With or without powers in the set-up of present ruling Coalition Government, the goal can still be achieved through pressure.? They are better off fixing loopholes bit by pieces by denouncing corruption and?pushing constitutional change?to be?top in their Agenda.? One good thing?PM Raila?can do is to speak up aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive advisors not coward or petty selfish types, to shout down the likes of Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, Uhuru, Beth Mugo?etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear too).?Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to function.?He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. ?He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can start to?believe in him. ? No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.??People must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair trial.? ? What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and panicking for cover-up. ? Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is everyones right. ? We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are treated to a movie that?the Government is trying to hide something which must be unveiled.? We do not want?to see people like Mutua who keep trying to preach the gospel under influence.? ? If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or pressure?by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights?of?pathetic situation?of people and not just a temporary curtain?demonstration before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these donor money disappear to?once they are received into the country, he must find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously once it gets into the country.? It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he?should do to be able to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with action pact.? Ofcourse, we all love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no matter who it is. ? Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How?the Mungiki was formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious?Kikuyu sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? They were thugs for hire.??They were?politically balooned by the Mt. Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for?their demands?deals?which made them fall out of favour with President Kibaki.? Their leadership?were seen going to?State House?to meet with?Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? ? The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get out of control and eventually overpowers?and consumes the owner. Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership?squables go separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel groups squads headed?by different marshals.?The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry?to a point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.??In order to survive they offered available services to political environment willing buyer willing seller.?As the?Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU?of Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too?got divided into groups with independent leadership for divegent opportunities?to support varying interests.?? ? Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and?Police boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going on. ? Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and provide for the much needed constitution reform.? ? The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling political jungle before?the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change change him as well. ? My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? News Raila on the warpath ? By?SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted?Saturday, March 7?2009?at?21:43 In Summary Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country?s security agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be brought to an end and the rule of law restored. Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in investigating the latest killings ? those of Oscar Foundation director Oscar King?ara and official Paul Oulu. And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet ministers. The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that brought his ODM and President Kibaki?s Party of National Unity together. On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take its course. The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the execution-style killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ?rule by the gun the security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.? He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country?s justice system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up charges to justify their actions. On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and State House Road Intense scrutiny Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking outrage from the public. Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two human rights activists were apprehended immediately. ?We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ? you cannot politicise everything,? Mr Kenyatta said. ?We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the party has been given and serve Kenyans.? The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate Thursday?s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ?offer immediate assistance.? ?The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is able to begin working immediately on the investigation,? read part of the note dated March 6, 2009 In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. ?The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in our country,? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up call to the government. ?For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the spotlight,? she said. But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country?s institutions were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. Criminal activities ?We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities and take legal action as fast as possible,? she said. On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are competent and would continue handling the matter. The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other businesses . Earlier on Thursday Mr King?ara had spoken by mobile phone to an official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. ?But little did we know that it would end so tragically,? the KNHCR official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday Nation. According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening shooting by several men who had blocked the victims? vehicle with their cars, the attackers grabbed the men?s phones, removed the SIM cards and smashed the sets. The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang?a and Nyahururu. Proposed reforms On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public confidence in law enforcement agencies. Speaking at Alliance Girls? High School, Budalang?i MP Ababu Namwamba said, ?any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.? The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. ?We can fight crime legally without killing people,? he said. On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a confrontation with police after Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu were killed. Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor ? Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru ? By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that > the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of > the coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and > not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in > Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they > would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out > of the coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP > Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central > Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus > Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's > move to forge an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could > result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General > Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of > them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them > well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major > political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would > also include the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his > mobile phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will > move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution > of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within > ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern > would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also > dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have > many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. ? Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM From: "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts To: "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." jambo at publiceyesite.org ? ? Judy ? I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen........ ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is the kind of protest they wanted to make? Was this their way of a peaceful public protest? Will the authorities ever licence them to hold any other 'peaceful' demontrations? In any case they have ashamed the PM for standing up with them in their course. ? Granted - we all are angry by the deaths of the officials - but is this the kind of protest the slain officials woud have loved to see in protest of their deaths or in support for their course??? ? Education is meant to shape one's perception of issues and handiling them in the most scholarly way possible but our students at the University have put this to shame. Their way of thinking is no better than of village hooligans who've known no school. No wonder most local employers have taken to hiring expartriates for jobs that can be done by our local graduates! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Leooderaomolo at yahoo.com, jamhurry at yahoo.com, jamhurim at hotmail.com, cmwilolezi at yahoo.com, kmayombi at yahoo.com, tmsovela77 at yahoo.com, onyamolo at yahoo.com, fondieki at nation.co.ke, news at newvision.co.ug, editorial at monitor.monitor.co.ug, newsdesk at nation.co.ke, editorial at kenyatimesonline.net, info at people.co.ke, kalamkanews at yahoo.com, onyamolo at yahoo.com, fondieki at nation.co.ke, news at newvision.co.ug, editorial at monitor.monitor.co.ug, newsdesk at nation.co.ke, editorial at kenyatimesonline.ne, info at people.co.ke, kalamkanews at yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:34 AM > Please find as attached herewith Condolence Message by the > EAC Secretary > General to The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Zimbabwe > on the tragic > death of Mrs Susan Tsvangirai. > > > > Magaga Alot > > Corporate Communications Expert, EAC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The team from the Nation Group of Newspapers and radio stations were held for several hours while being interrogated by a contingent of Uganda marine police boat which had intercepted their boat. The journalists were ,however, later set free after a senior police officer from Kampala had called security personnel stationed on the tiny one acre island and instructed them to have the journalists freed.. The team?s boat was intercepted and the journalists bundled into a Uganda marine patrol boat they were detained on the island and there cameras note book and money confiscated. However, a senior police officer from Kampala called to have the newsmen freed Those briefly detained were Patrick Mayoyo, Ouko Okusa, Jacob Owiti and Migori based NATION?S scribe Elisha Otieno. The officer in charge of the island Richard Balenzi told the team they had information that a group of Kenyan security personnel was planning to confront the Ugandan soldiers guarding the tiny island.. And that is why the security on the island had remained in the state of alertness for twenty four hours.. The journalists were the latest victim of the summering row that has been going on between Kenya and Uganda over the ownership of the tiny fishing island in the Lake Victoria which is located very close to the Kenyan side of the Lake Victoria shoreline Kenyan fishermen on the rocky island numbering about 500 are frequently harassed and arrested for trespass by Uganda security personnel, accusing them of trespass. . Uganda deployed security forces on the island, but Kenya withdrew its team of administration police officers it had sent to the islandt after tension heightened. Instead Nairobi has chosen the diplomatic path to the chagrin of local leaders? and fishermen who get a large catch of the highly prized Nile perch in the deep waters around it Migingo Island is strategic, especially for Kenyan fishermen who fetch a large catches of Nile perch in the deep waters around it. Meanwhile representatives of the two countries are expected to meet tomorrow in the Ugandan capital, Kampala to work out how the two countries could resolve the controversy surrounding the ownership of the tiny island. . Four Kenyans Ministers leave for Uganda this afternoon for tentative negotiations to end a tussle over Migingo Island. The team is headed by Foreign Affairs Minister Moses Wetangula who will be accompanied by among others who include James Agrrey Orengo (Lands) Dr Paul Otuoma (Fisheries) Otieno kajwang (Immigration) and Jeffa kingi (East African Community Affairs.. Then Kenyan Ministerial delegation will be accompanied by a team of experts for talks with their Ugandan counterparts. Other Kenyan government officials in the delegation include Migori DC Julius Mutula, Internal Security Permanent Secretary Francis Kimemia his East African Community counterpart David Nalo and Nyanza deputy Provincial Commissioner Joseph Irungu. The Kenyan delegation left Nairobi by air this morning for Kampala where the talks will be held from 12 and 13the March.The team will join a technical Kenyan team which is already in Uganda ahead of the two days meeting, which will try to resolve the impasse. Ugandan security officers recently invaded Migingo Island and reportedly ejected Kenyan fishermen. Ugandan security officers recently invaded Migingo and reportedly ejected Kenyan security officials and fishermen. The officers are reportedly introduced levies on fishermen willing to continue fishing at the island sparking off an uproar from the local leaders who felt Migingo Island belonged to Kenya and as such her citizens cannot afford to pay fishing taxes and trade to another country/ Since then, Kenyan fishermen have alleged various forms of harassment at the hands of the Ugandan security and administrative personnel The Ugandans have hoisted their national flag at the island. Tomorrow?s meeting will take place amid rising tension over the of ugunja has pulled mo0re than 100 marine police officers to guard the island Kenyan fishermen wishing to live on the island have been told to apply for special visa/permits. Fishermen have reported this is increasingly getting difficult for them to continue fishing on the island due to increased military activities and police patrols. The place has been turned into a security operation area and the Ugandan soldiers are using intensive military security surveillance ,?,said the beach leader Mr. Bernard Jabuya (Kenyan). He said the visitor?s could be spotted as soon as they get into the water on the Kenyan xxx making it difficult for normal fishing activities to go on. 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I bet you all agree with me that all of them are just so selfish and they are ready to suck even our own blood till?the last breath.?Before we talk about who won what and who talks sense than who and which party has the most MP's pliz! pliz! can somebody tell these 222 guys to pay taxes, buy their own newspapers, fuel their cars?and pay for their laundry services? ? What about discussing how we can feed our?starving kenyans?? The 24 hour for Kenya is?on again this friday. lets all visit our nearest Uchumi and Nakumatt super markets and donate something to save a life. ? If our MP's are now forming tribunals to even look into wether they should pay taxes or not which was the first issue when they got into parliament, when will they ever?get to?famine issues which i know is among the last issues in their list of priorities??? ? Please lets stop devisive talks and promote peace, national unity and reconciliation. We help this guys in their dirty politics and when things get bad they hide in the safety of their mansions as we kill each other out here. Lets open our eyes and see, when two bulls fight, .............. you know what happens. ? --- On Wed, 3/11/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] Mutula Kilonzo is Sick To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:16 AM Jayne Wachira we in this forum are not going to entertain lies juts because someone does not want to hear the truth. People like Mutula Kilonzo are used to political sycophancy just like Alfred Mutua and Moses Wetangula and that kind of behavior is killing this country,where a leader fights for his own stomach and not the people of Kenya. If Kibaki has failed as he has and made Kenya a failed state, we shall surely say that..If Mutula is misleading this country with such myopic and useless talk then we shall surely say it..If Alfred Mutua is misleading and misinforming this country,we shall surely point that out...this is a PROGRESSIVE FORUM..and a forum for pleasing anybody..We are a progressive youth who believe that with truth and forward thinking we cna help this country of ours.. Kenyans cannot demand results from a leader like Kibaki who will only call a press conference to talk about his family matters and not national hunger..not corruption..not constitutional review..not confusion in the coalition..not insecurity in the country..we shall not accept such negligence..we shall talk about it..You cannot demand results from a mouthy Minister like Mutula Kilonzo..Doesnt he know that ODM-Kenya was lst in december polls?..Lets be realistic..and pint out ills nomatter where the Minister hails from..we really dont care where they come from..what Kenyans want are straightforward leaders who serve the people and who lead from the front... --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: > From: Jayne Wachira > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:25 PM > We shouldnt take advantage of this forum to bring division. > Whether you > support ODM or whatever party, we have three more years to > go before we go > to ballot box or start hearing sentiments such as this. We > should demand > results from our leaders but not who is the leader of what > and which party > has majority MPS. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, odhiambo okecth > wrote: > > > *Mutula Kilonzo must be sick 6**th** March 2009* > > > > > > Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM > can take a walk, and > > they, PNU, can just appoint any other person to the > office of Prime > > Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila > had said that he does > > not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on > Raila again. Yes, ODM > > should take the walk if they so wish hakuna > kubembeleza, they should stop > > threatening the government of national unity. We are > tired...... > > > > > > Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when > Muthama was sent to > > antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila > has chosen to give > > Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as > Muthama was before > > him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And > Raila must not respond > > to them. > > > > I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua > was talking on behalf > > of Raila as well, Raila would know. Not Mutula. > Anyway, we will take this on > > another day. > > > > > > At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before > ODM came on board, > > there was a government in place, so there will still > be a government in > > place even if they packed and left. True, with or > without them, the > > government will continue to serve its people, nothing > stops. > > > > > > Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again > sent to go and read > > another press statement. And he read the same without > looking at the cameras > > even once. As usual, he was being used. Used by whom, > give circustancial > > evidence..... > > > > > > My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many > things. My take is with > > the two lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the > negotiation team. On the > > PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can > get it all that wrong, > > then I really pity them. interesting? > > > > > > After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted > like never before. This > > made the international community come on board to help > create peace. Many > > Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced. > Krieglar confirmed > > from his findings that he doesn't know who won and > both ODM and PNU were > > involved in stealing of election votes. > > > > > > It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it > seems like the two > > people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not > know why they went to > > the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the > process. What comes > > from their mouths makes me think so. Am amazed by > your sentiments that > > these two top notch lawyers, very brilliant and > intelligent dont know what > > they are doing....... > > > > > > Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity. > Kenyans did not trust > > him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the > Nation Media told me > > off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum > campaign. I did support > > Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can > now see clearly what > > Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right. > Mutula Kilonzo is just > > Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi > do all sorts of things > > for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like > Daniel. Raila too > > supported Moi when he was promised to be endorsed as > the preferred candidate > > for KANu, what did he do after he realised that was > not bound to happen, he > > jumped ship. > > > > > > This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of > deceit. He made his > > money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship > conveniently to join the > > forces of liberation without believing in the cause. > He seems not to know > > that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki > has 43 MPs, while > > Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59 > MPs. ODM on its own has > > 99 MPs. So? > > > > > > When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki > and Kalonzo have, it > > comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected > MPs. When you add > > nominated MPs, the Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while > ODM alliance has 112 > > MPs. Issues of who have more MPS than the other got > burried in the sand > > almost two years ago, tell us what ODM have done for > the Kenyans since they > > are majority in parliament. Selling of maize to > Sudan? > > > > > > These are facts well known to both Mutula and > Wetangula, and both of them > > are lawyers. I pity them. Interesting..... > > > > > > At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be > known as the > > National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that > the Prime Minister > > will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in > Parliament. It is a known > > fact that ODM is the single largest party in > Parliament. ODM has 99 elected > > MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19. ODM-K, [from > where Mutula gloats] has > > 16. The rest have one or two MPs. What are they doing > for the starving, > > jobless Kenyas with majority MPs?????. > > > > > > Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple > things? Even if you > > want to kiss ass, Lets mind the language we use I bet > you need to do it > > honourably. Did you here Mutula give a budget of 33T > for Nairobi > > Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy is worth? > This is simple > > madness. What is our economy worth to get everyone > become middle income > > earner? > > > > > > You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of > ODM-K, or Chama cha > > Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must > be the person who leads > > the largest party in Parliament, and that person is > Raila, like it or not. > > That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula > signed. And they must be > > knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? We > know Raila is the PM > > but what Mapinduzi has ODM brought - to support > University students > > demonstrate? > > > > > > Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting > with many Kenyans, > > Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do > is to create an > > enabling environment for national healing and > reconciliation. Are you > > doing that when you send such a mail?You cannot > promote national healing > > and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the way > Mutula and Wetangula > > are doing. > > > > > > The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big > disservice by talking the way > > they are. How? Even if we are to show their masters > that they deserve the > > positions they have been given, they must take into > account the intelligence > > of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each > other, not more > > conflict. Ok.... > > > > > > This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who > lives in Nyeri. It > > endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in > Kabartonjo. It makes life > > difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in > eternal peace as brothers > > and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are > spoiling for President > > Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in > history as the person who > > held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. Kibaki > stands to loose > > nothing after his term ends..... > > > > > > Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and > Wetangulas of this > > world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk > about with confidence > > into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be > easily lost. Dont we > > have ODM leaders who are corrupt? Why meantion PNU > leaders only............ > > > > > > If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack > Mutula and Wetangula > > for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest > counselors to the President, > > they have chosen to be auctioneers. So where do you > place Ruto? > > > > > > As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him. > Just like Muthama, > > Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing. > > > > > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > > > > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Ati we ni mweusi mpaka ukisnapiwa,photo inajiadika 'He was here!' -- A warm welcome to http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmjiwa at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 12:35:26 2009 From: gmjiwa at gmail.com (Mohamed Jiwa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:35:26 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [youngprofessionals_ke] Re: Asians: Racism or what is it about them?? In-Reply-To: <6136cc4a0901290315x4b44df0ep6ee1d2b3e6847cc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400901281024w2bbae1d1y9575ad50077fe873@mail.gmail.com> <6136cc4a0901290315x4b44df0ep6ee1d2b3e6847cc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1521f1600903110935uc0dc87er6c2420cfac0edc0b@mail.gmail.com> I am South East Asian African, second generation. My father was born in Meru and my mother in Nairobi. My grandparents were all from India and we have served both nations. In this generation, I am sorry to say, very few step forward to serve and take a stand. But I want to change that. I am a social responsibility writer. I recommend you link to awaazmagazine.co.ke. It might edify a lot of people about the contribution of Indian Africans in Kenya. Also it may be a good idea to go to the museum. I am told that there is a section there that is dedicated to our history in this beautiful country. I am happy to read the comments in this thread because it has helped to open up the subject. I can supply information which should help to remove the colour from those whose glasses are probably either cracked, sweaty or dusty, or even not properly prescribed by those who proclaim themselves to be the authorities on the subject. But please contact me on an individual basis as I fear mob justice! I am sure we can be friends on a level playing field, ie one to one. But Jayne I was taken aback by the statement from you as I did not expect you to be the type to stereotype people. Well, let's all now work at sifting the chaff from the wheat? Noone likes middle class parasites. Let's work to link up to save this country, please. We all have strengths in different fields. This kind of pluralism is the greatest of our advantages of all the countries in the world. I strongly suggest we do not miss this opportunity. :-) Mohamed 2009/1/29 henry kamabi > Hi > > I wont say they are bad even though none has been good to me.One thing that > never bothers me is the fact that i think and know that i am special.i got > my pride and believe i am the best. > The color of my skin gives me this special pride and i believe its the same > with them. > I would advice,do your thing and let them do their thing....somehow that's > why most of them worship their things.. > > regards, > Henry > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Eliud Mwangi wrote: > >> >> I agree with Odhis Indians sucks(for a better word) >> >> On 1/28/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: >> > I share in your sentiments brother........ >> > >> > Do you remember Keitan Somaia, Kamlesh Pattni now we have Devani..... >> What >> > is it with Asians? >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Mamlookie wrote: >> > >> >> Hello YPs, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have no prejudice against Asians, but I have serious beef with their >> >> resistance (for lack of a better word) towards integration with other >> >> Kenyans. This lot groove with the native African babes, but wait - try >> >> hooking up with one of them and you'll see fireworks!! I am not >> interested >> >> in one Asian as yet. I like them black, but I believe this Asian lot >> >> should >> >> either be Kenyans or leave. Yes, I support Idi Amin on this lot. Take >> me >> >> where you like. >> >> >> >> There is no single Asian on this forum, even as the membership nears >> >> 7000!! Is there a good reason why Asians have chosen to be "special >> class >> >> Kenyans"? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PS: BTW, where is Franklyne Terewa? Still recovering from the shock of >> >> burglars' visit? Pole sana boss. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> >> Nairobi,KE >> >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is >> a >> >> baby." >> >> - Natalie Wood >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > -- G Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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This was indeed a chance to rally againts the oppressive and autocratic police state that Kenyans now find themselves in. Unless Mungiki joined the protest to make it look like it was the students doing this... > If you have read today's (11th Mar '09) dailies, you must have been > ashamed by the behaviour of our students in our premier institution of > learning, University of Nairobi. > They had yesterday asked to stage a demontration to protest the wanton > killing last week of Oscar Foundation officials as well as a student > within the University precincts. > They had a support of non other than Prime Minister Raila Odinga himself. > > But see what they did! > > Instead of sticking to their course, they resorted to a looting spree > and molesting of innocent motorists and pedestrians. Bolocking > highways and forcefully stealing from them. There is a picture of some > of them running away with loaves of bread from Nakumatt Lifestyle! > Is the kind of protest they wanted to make? Was this their way of a > peaceful public protest? Will the authorities ever licence them to > hold any other 'peaceful' demontrations? In any case they have ashamed > the PM for standing up with them in their course. > > Granted - we all are angry by the deaths of the officials - but is > this the kind of protest the slain officials woud have loved to see in > protest of their deaths or in support for their course??? > > Education is meant to shape one's perception of issues and handiling > them in the most scholarly way possible but our students at the > University have put this to shame. Their way of thinking is no better > than of village hooligans who've known no school. > No wonder most local employers have taken to hiring expartriates for > jobs that can be done by our local graduates! > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. > CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. > To post to this group, send email to > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en > Join the group on facebook at > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > From juliusokelo at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 21:02:41 2009 From: juliusokelo at yahoo.com (Julius Okelo) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: POLITICS IN KENYA...... In-Reply-To: <1521f1600903111118u146949dl65c070ec2a31e517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <995445.80129.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Kenya needs a real change. Uhuru/Ruto alliance is change and does not insinuate change in any way means or form. While the anti-kenya crusade will not stop until they see this country bogged down by such a suggestion that Uhuru forms an alliance with Ruto, to get Kalenjin votes because let us face it...do you think Uhuru, being a kikuyu will be ready to serve under Ruto? and will the Kalenjin voters switch camp from ODM to support Uhuru..a project that failed in 2000 and blackmailed them in 2007 by financing hooligans and criminals to kill the very Kalenjins? Ruto should tread carefully by these destructive romours and put a stop to them. My take is that PLO, Mati or Githongo, while they may have succeeded in what they have done in the past, may not be good political leaders and this may be their downside. The right leader is among the ordinary Kenyans presently. That person could currently be a school teacher, a doctor, a lawyer, a business owner, an civil rights activist who knows. We need to vet our leaders more carefully while the time is available. Let us avoid euphoric applause to suggested leaders.. ? peace --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Mohamed Jiwa wrote: From: Mohamed Jiwa Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: POLITICS IN KENYA...... To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:18 PM Media are the most corrupt of all and the most sinful. Uhuru/ Ruto is a patent outcome of an oooooold trick.? Noone will ever know who is and who isn't a real Moi boy.? All politics is a red herring from the real deal which is the exercise of bringing the people's voice together help start a new constitution. 2009/3/11 Carole Abiero Josiah, i think PLO is the best candidate so to speak ama??? Carol --- On Wed, 3/11/09, OJ wrote: From: OJ Subject: [YP_Ke] POLITICS IN KENYA...... To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:08 AM YPs_Ke Hallo good members. I love the politics of Kenya and Kenyan themselves. I think sometimes the media is also run out of stories, they divert and instead of playing their rightful role of informing, educating as well as voicing the voiceless majority...they out monetary gains ahead of their sacred duties mentioned earlier. They have tried much when they started talking of diverted politics...that our politicians are wasting time politicking at the expense of real issues.....hunger, food insecurity and infrastructure development, rising costs of living - fuel and food. The Ruto - Uhuru alliance has since diverted the good course the media started to fight....highlighting the bad culture of our leaders and their reluctance to attend to electorate needs. How does this benefit us as Kenyans....if the said alliance goes ahead..then am sure Kenya will become the most hopeless of all countries in Africa! For sure we know the 2002 grouping.....Uhuru and Ruto were in KANU....together! What will their getting together bring to us! The same to any other old guard who will solicit for our votes in 2012.....I find no one fit to have my vote save may be Githongo, Mati, PLO, etc.... My take, Josiah -- G ?Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaburiah at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 01:34:18 2009 From: kaburiah at gmail.com (Harun Kaburia) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:34:18 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: TRIBALISM OR POVERTY? WHICH IS KENYA'S BIGGEST ENEMY? In-Reply-To: <330925.19633.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <330925.19633.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In my view, poverty is a worse enemy in Kenya than tribalism. In fact, I hold the view that its the crippling poverty bedevelling Kenya that makes tribalism so pronounced. How else do you explain the fact that the places worst affected by the post-election violence were slums and areas with low-income dwellers? There is something very dangerous with anyone who has lost hope or anyone who perceives they have nothing to lose. The whole concept of 'its our turn to eat' stems from the misguided notion that once we have someone from our tribe in power, then we will have enough to eat, our children will go to better schools, etc. If we sorted out poverty, I believe a lot of the other problems affecting us would appear much easier to solve. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM, bedann maina wrote: > Speaking of gospel truth do you remember some people infact a Kanjura > who said since their tribal chief has read the draft constitution and > disapproved it there is no need of leading. My brother Ogalo we are our own > worst enemies but together we can by wiping out the whole house in the 2012 > elections and elect leaders and not politicians. > > --- On *Wed, 3/11/09, josiah ogalo * wrote: > > > From: josiah ogalo > Subject: [YP_Ke] TRIBALISM OR POVERTY? WHICH IS KENYA'S BIGGEST ENEMY? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:12 AM > > > YPs_Ke, > Hey members am seated behind this screen and thinking of the said > topic.....Tribalism or Poverty, which is Kenya's biggest enemy? > > Are the two intertwined or they are independent of each other? > > Secondly what major issues will form part of campaign agenda come 2012 > elections? > > 1. *Constitution review *-------- A new constitution within 50 days in > office, > > 2. *Zero tolerance to corruption* ------- all perpetrators of past > scandals to be paid without further investigation, > > 3. *Equal distribution of resources* ------- all provinces to get equal > Provincial Development Fund, > > 4. *Food security* -------- finding long term solution to food problems in > Kenya, Leasing land to foreign countries i.e. Qatar, Israel etc > > 5. *Landlessness* -------- I will be hunted if I say anything here! > > 6. *Tackling rising insecurity* ------- > > I think our "leaders" (read hyenas) are very poor thinkers. Whenever > elections are held and somebody loses, accepting is very difficult.....it > seems they are stuck in the scarce mentality! No body sees serving Kenya in > the capacity of an Opposition leader if nothing......you gotta be in the > government by all means......no wonder! > > We Kenyan voters are to blame as well.......we/I play into tribal hatred > being spread amongst us by the "vipers" and believe what they say as the > gospel truth! Next time guys, I pray and hope that we have a change of heart > and mind.....we shall vote in good leadership and help create Kenya anew! > > Let us respond professionally to help find a common ground as a people! > > Regards > Josiah Ogalo > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <1521f1600903110935uc0dc87er6c2420cfac0edc0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400901281024w2bbae1d1y9575ad50077fe873@mail.gmail.com> <6136cc4a0901290315x4b44df0ep6ee1d2b3e6847cc5@mail.gmail.com> <1521f1600903110935uc0dc87er6c2420cfac0edc0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <284026.36530.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mohammed, There is need for us to call a spade a spade. Kenyans of Indian descent have contributed positively in the economy and the political aspirations of Kenyans. We need to cerebrate our diversity and embrace it with total vigor not by word alone but with deeds. Our generation should do away with ethnicity as a measure for our being. We are better when we see all Gods children as one. After staying and seen how Americans are trying painfully to forget their past and embrace the future as one nation, I'm totally convinced Kenyans will also follow suit. Americans past has been like a yoke on their necks. Forging as two nations in one has been costly. We can also emulate them and live as one nation under God where we judge people based on their character but not the pigmentation of their skin. Good luck. ________________________________ From: Mohamed Jiwa To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:35:26 AM Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [youngprofessionals_ke] Re: Asians: Racism or what is it about them?? I am South East Asian African, second generation. My father was born in Meru and my mother in Nairobi. My grandparents were all from India and we have served both nations. In this generation, I am sorry to say, very few step forward to serve and take a stand. But I want to change that. I am a social responsibility writer. I recommend you link to awaazmagazine.co.ke. It might edify a lot of people about the contribution of Indian Africans in Kenya. Also it may be a good idea to go to the museum. I am told that there is a section there that is dedicated to our history in this beautiful country. I am happy to read the comments in this thread because it has helped to open up the subject. I can supply information which should help to remove the colour from those whose glasses are probably either cracked, sweaty or dusty, or even not properly prescribed by those who proclaim themselves to be the authorities on the subject. But please contact me on an individual basis as I fear mob justice! I am sure we can be friends on a level playing field, ie one to one. But Jayne I was taken aback by the statement from you as I did not expect you to be the type to stereotype people. Well, let's all now work at sifting the chaff from the wheat? Noone likes middle class parasites. Let's work to link up to save this country, please. We all have strengths in different fields. This kind of pluralism is the greatest of our advantages of all the countries in the world. I strongly suggest we do not miss this opportunity. :-) Mohamed 2009/1/29 henry kamabi Hi I wont say they are bad even though none has been good to me.One thing that never bothers me is the fact that i think and know that i am special.i got my pride and believe i am the best. The color of my skin gives me this special pride and i believe its the same with them. I would advice,do your thing and let them do their thing....somehow that's why most of them worship their things.. regards, Henry On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Eliud Mwangi wrote: I agree with Odhis Indians sucks(for a better word) On 1/28/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: > I share in your sentiments brother........ > > Do you remember Keitan Somaia, Kamlesh Pattni now we have Devani..... What > is it with Asians? > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Mamlookie wrote: > >> Hello YPs, >> >> >> >> I have no prejudice against Asians, but I have serious beef with their >> resistance (for lack of a better word) towards integration with other >> Kenyans. This lot groove with the native African babes, but wait - try >> hooking up with one of them and you'll see fireworks!! I am not interested >> in one Asian as yet. I like them black, but I believe this Asian lot >> should >> either be Kenyans or leave. Yes, I support Idi Amin on this lot. Take me >> where you like. >> >> There is no single Asian on this forum, even as the membership nears >> 7000!! Is there a good reason why Asians have chosen to be "special class >> Kenyans"? >> >> >> >> PS: BTW, where is Franklyne Terewa? Still recovering from the shock of >> burglars' visit? Pole sana boss. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> - Natalie Wood >> >> > >> > > > > -- G Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khabereri at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 04:15:22 2009 From: khabereri at gmail.com (Sarah Khabereri) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:15:22 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife In-Reply-To: <936ef4dc-0855-4fcb-8291-1edd94b70763@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> References: <936ef4dc-0855-4fcb-8291-1edd94b70763@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <15d4aec20903120115h3c50972cs3b5b10e49c5cbcde@mail.gmail.com> Lolest! Sammy, are you looking for a youngin who lives on a trust fund established when the parents met ama? Si I have chekad. Sasa, that age range, mtu bado anaota juu ya hepi na nini, how ehe hehehehehehehehehehe! ai! 10-Nil On 12/03/2009, Simiyu wrote: > > Specifications. > > 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. > 2).Should be employed or self employed. > 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) > 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business > 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) > 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To > join me or start her own business) > 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old > 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue > 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive > ethnicity > 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added > advantage) > 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need > somebody who can help me start going to church) > 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of > person > 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed > to the maximum while we are still alive. > 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married > > If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my > email > > > > -- Sarah Maureen Radoli Reporter/Research Assistant Jacaranda Designs Limited NAIROBI 3746270/7 The artist is not a special kind of person, rather each person is a special kind of artist. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From AGithuka at resolution.co.ke Thu Mar 12 04:47:50 2009 From: AGithuka at resolution.co.ke (Alex Githuka) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:47:50 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife In-Reply-To: References: <936ef4dc-0855-4fcb-8291-1edd94b70763@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <279634.91267.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102D759898308F4987EEA845740FF693AE351A@resexc03.resolution.lan> No man can submit to this but since women are known to be soft and submissive so the dude thot it was the best shortcut {shortcuts are not always short}. If you are looking for a lady with assets worth 3millie I suspect you have assets worth 10 millie n above {this can work} sex? Good romance goes hand in hand with finance and its one way traffic from MAN to WOMAN. ________________________________ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet Em Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife Simiyu, My people can help with carving one for you with exact qualifications. Just drive down to a place called Wamunyu in Ukambani and give descriptions. They will carve for you a woman, give her a name, assume that she doesnt drink and goes to church. She will be made to look like she has a bank account with 3m in it. Am sure they can also make her make u believe that she will bear you two kids immediately and also build you all those castles you have in your mind. If you cant stand a carving, get yourself back to reality and get a real woman, and both of you will carve your lives into what you have in mind. In the meantime, I wish you luck Cheers Janet On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM, hellen wambui wrote: Please describe yourself first . U sound like a kupe too. ________________________________ From: Simiyu To: youngprofessionals_ke Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:09:23 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Looking for A wife Specifications. 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. 2).Should be employed or self employed. 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To join me or start her own business) 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive ethnicity 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added advantage) 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need somebody who can help me start going to church) 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of person 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed to the maximum while we are still alive.. 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my email
-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 156 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From kimani1 at un.org Thu Mar 12 04:58:01 2009 From: kimani1 at un.org (Anne Kimani) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:58:01 +0200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife In-Reply-To: <936ef4dc-0855-4fcb-8291-1edd94b70763@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Sammy, Please make a choice from the following but none has all the qualities you outlined. Guess you creat one. Kikuyu women Everyone has heard the one about Kikuyu women. How they plait their hair, read a novel or knit and placidly inform their partners to cover them when they are through with their business. If one day you return home to find an empty house and your children gone, then you are in the groove with a Kikuyu. They are known to be "packers". They will pack and go with the children and furniture after 40 years of hard labour on a marriage. A common saying goes "A Kikuyu woman will treat you like a king as long as you have cash, but toss you like rotten mutura (traditional sausage) once you are broke." Cynics say Kiambu women are so materialistic they will kill their marriages to enjoy the wealth alone. One Kikuyu lady coined the following phrases to her defence, "I would rather cry on a Mercedes than laugh on a bicycle; money is not everything, it is the only thing." But Lydia Wambui comes to her sisters' defence. "Everyone loves money. You cannot go to your landlord or the headmaster at your children's school and say, 'we are in love, please understand us for not paying.' Love is no substitute for money." Wags also poke fun at the culinary skills of Kikuyu women. They will Mix rice, arrow roots, sukumawiki, potatoes, githeri and all other imaginable ingredients in one pot. Their men have to always sneak out to enjoy nyama choma or chapati in a smoke-filled joint on their own. They say all women are said to be schemers but the Kikuyu have perfected it to an art. On the first date, they have you all sized up (Wallet size, level of education, future ambitions). So by the second date, you will be paying their rent. The Nyeri ones are fabled to be harsh and authoritative - just see Lucy Kibaki.. If you have the bad fortune of marrying one, chances of being her punching bag are inevitable. They are the Thatchers of Wahome Mutahi fame. Rivals in love will also dismiss them on account of their figures. Below five inches in height, light complexioned, round pretty face With long lovely hair, oversized chests, voluminous hands, flabby waist lines, ironed out behind, vertical hips all suspended on hockey-sticks-like legs. They are known to have an undying thirst for white shoes. Yet even their hottest critics acknowledge that they are so hard-working and organised that their men only come home in the evening to collect cash for their drinking sprees. (Embedded image moved to file: pic15882.jpg)http://bp3.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFt54V5VcFI/AAAAAAAABHg/sb962xXJgs0/s400/lucy-kibaki-1.jpg (Embedded image moved to file: pic36841.jpg)http://bp3.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFt6LobAqgI/AAAAAAAABHo/-YkdZ50JPHY/s400/carol_mutoko.jpg Kamba Women The myth of the sex athlete goes back a long way. Kamba women are known to be a force to reckon with. That is why they are hot material for barmaids. By the time she is 30, she in total control. It is said that they are given a thorough briefing by their aunts and grandmothers as part of their initiation rituals. And yes, many of these women are unbelievably stunning in looks. She gives you a killer smile, giggles knowingly, and you want to marry her there and then. She will get pregnant on the second date, move in with her sisters & their boyfriends, then eat rice and muthokoi and live happily ever after. So why do Kamba women marry in the military? Military weddings are full of glamour and endless feasts. They also love celebrity. (Embedded image moved to file: pic62362.jpg)http://bp0.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFuMAjRhXzI/AAAAAAAABIY/VhB9xODg1SU/s400/nice-1.jpg Coastal women A police friend once informed me that their officers are given a firm warning when they get transfers to the Coast. You will need all your wit and guile to resist the coconut women. And love portions come in handy. Once the man is fixed with it, he is transfixed with her for life. You are her boi (boy) eternally. Critics say these women are so idle that they spend the whole day applying henna all over their bodies, prepare elaborate weddings and cook biryani the whole day as they gossip. Stories have it that these women are well coached in the art of pleasing their husbands. No one understands better that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach - chapatis and pilau (which they are experts in making) do the job. In the looks department, they are endowed with dashing looks and mellow voices. The Taita are said to make exemplary, humble wives. But when they make up their minds that a relationship is headed for doom, they are known to vanish back to their parents' faster than you can say "mdavida". (Embedded image moved to file: pic37649.jpg)http://bp0.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFt-VBvLAAI/AAAAAAAABHw/8VGJJLaYrhA/s400/52gdxg8.jpg Luo women Lakeside women are said to stick to their men like glue as long as they suspect love is in the air. But don't you dare look at another woman! If you do, she will have you and the other woman by the neck. They are in love with first impressions. You have to have class. If you wear moccasins on the first date and drive a pick-up, she will dump you like rotten fruit. And you better talk English (never Kiswahili) with a rounded twang. Big words (especially the ones she does not understand) make a lifelong pact. And the restaurant better be classy, not necessarily expensive. If you fulfill all these, by the tenth date you will spot her clothes in your wardrobe; she has moved in. Luo women are prided to have "drop dead gorgeous" bodies - with 'Adhiambo sianda' being their brand name. True African figures, they say. They are also known to be good cooks and bewitching lovers. (Embedded image moved to file: pic00949.jpg) http://bp1.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFuFqB04TiI/AAAAAAAABH4/0Ydb1oqDA9E/s400/6a00cd9700786b4cd500f48cdc1ce50003-320pi.jpeg Luhya Women These women are known to be modest and to have austerity. They cannot stand extravagance. A Luhya woman would rather stay at home and drink numerous cups of tea than have you take her for an expensive dinner. But as long as there is in constant supply of ugali and Ingoho (chicken), she is yours for keeps. Then they are known to be in the business of making children. If she is not breast-feeding, she is pregnant. The internet caricature paints her as a being born-again, and forever busy. She is the village chairperson, treasurer of your kids Kindergarten PTA, secretary of the women merry-go-round, weaves baskets in addition to being out every night for church keshas. And if you are thinking of meeting the boys over a Tusker, then this is the wrong type. Luhya ladies are protective. And with their strong physiques, you would rather follow mummy's advice than have your bones broken. 'Curly kit' is their distinctive look. They love it so much that every Luhya woman who prides herself as having a distinguished style will have her hair roasted for this look. Kalenjin Women My colleague informs me that if you are bombarded with unsolicited information about her many prominent and rich relatives in the previous government, right after the first kiss, then you have nabbed a Kalenjin lady. Promise a Kalenjin woman marriage and she is yours for keeps. If you play your cards right, then you can take her home on the second date.. Strictly missionary. They are agreeable and submissive, but rather like their alcohol. Nagging they are not, but their tempers are legendary - so why do they say if you come home after three days, smelling of a strange perfume and with red lipstick all over your white shirt, a kalenji woman will not utter a word? If they discover their man is unfaithful, they will kill themselves and drown the children. Kalenjins like to joke that Nandi women are lazy, Tugen are rude and the Marakwet violent, but the Kipsigis women are most beautiful,hardworking and wear big-hearts! (Embedded image moved to file: pic30428.jpg)http://bp0.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFuHfLzXfXI/AAAAAAAABIA/J6FjzWVJq9o/s400/debra.jpg Maasai Women Maasai women are unquestionably obedient. They will never dream of correcting their menfolk. They still view their husbands as "lord of the house".. People believe Masaai men are still glued to the custom of planting spears outside their age group member's manyattas to warn the husband that serious business is taking place inside the manyatta. Their women toil like oxen. They build the manyattas, graze the cattle, cook, farm in addition to rearing children.They are also generous with their husbands. Even if their husband married the 7th wife in three years, they will not object. In fact they encourage their spouses to marry - you know, to share the work. They can also be tauntingly beautiful. (Embedded image moved to file: pic29084.jpg)http://bp1.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFuJDPREDwI/AAAAAAAABII/dnHSJzjP9HA/s400/mbarire.jpg Meru Women If you are head over heels in love with a woman and are sure she loves you secretly, but she is playing hard to get by the 30th date, then you have struck a Meru. Bar room talk has the Meru woman so faithful and agreeable that they will fight divorce to the bitter end. They are traditional and remote, with the village never coming out of them. Like their men, they are reputed to be hot tempered and can shred you to pieces if you cross their path wrongly. In the looks department, a Meru woman will hold her own against any beauty queen. (Embedded image moved to file: pic29575.jpg)http://bp1.blogger.com/_WO3mvkl3XO8/SFuLZMagsqI/AAAAAAAABIQ/aha1LB-os-c/s400/spo040508_01.jpg Kisii Women Once a Kisii woman has it in her head that you make her world rock, then you have a lifelong attachment. She will never leave, even if you hire ten bulldozers to evict her from your house. They are also well known for their fiery tempers. Recent cases in the media about battered husbands involved Kisii women. As for money, they are the reverse of Kikuyus - money and posh cars do not impress them much. And when it comes to dressing? Those in the know say their dress sense is not the most impressive. Cheers. Anne Kimani Kigali, Rwanda. Simiyu To Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke youngprofessional .com cc Subject 12/03/2009 09:09 [YP_Ke] Looking for A wife AM Please respond to youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com Specifications. 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. 2).Should be employed or self employed. 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To join me or start her own business) 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive ethnicity 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added advantage) 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need somebody who can help me start going to church) 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of person 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed to the maximum while we are still alive. 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my email --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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Name: pic29575.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21000 bytes Desc: not available URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 09:42:28 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Old and skinny @ 62 Message-ID: <191551.85109.qm@web38705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I was scanning his merchandise, I asked, "How are you today?" "old and skinny," was his answer! "Everything was fine with me until I turned 53!" he said in great anger! Then, I became skinny, somewhat blind, and old," he added! "Look at me! I am only 62 years old, and yet I look like a very old man!" he further remarked as he walked away without letting me utter a word! This reminded me of another story that I had heard the previous day! This lady went through my lane and was really concerned about her car! "It's giving up and I have no money to buy another one!" she remarked! "What is the mileage?" I asked! "210 thousand," she answered! "Let the car rest for it has done its work!" I said. "I totally agree with you!" she answered as she walked off. After she left, I found myself thinking about our life span and that of everything else in this world! Come with me as we remind ourselves that which we already know! -When Adam and Eve were created, it was God's desire that they live for ever! But sadly, they failed and got everyone else into trouble! -Even with that,the good Lord allowed our fore fathers to live as many as 969 years! What was the result? Genesis chapter 6 reports the sad situation! Seeing that their existence added nothing but misery, the good Lord reduced the life span to 120 years as per Genesis 6:1-3 -In Psalms 90:10-12, our life span was further reduced to 70 years Likewise, when we started manufacturing stuff, we decided to give each one a life span. Even with this understanding, it's interesting to note that: -We behave, talk, and treat others as if we are here to stay -Some people are so unhappy when they approach a certain age. They somehow give up on life and become angry with everyone else -Some others are unwilling to rest so as to let others take over. You have seen some who die in the office of old age -We are unwilling to let anything go even when we know very well that its time is up -Some of us by choice, send ourselves into the graves before our time! And so what's the solution? Allow David to answer! "So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom." "Psalms 90:12.) We should therefore quit blaming God and accept the consequences of sin! Will I? Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From khabereri at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 09:15:57 2009 From: khabereri at gmail.com (Sarah Khabereri) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:15:57 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A Hubby In-Reply-To: <802fc6fc0903120534l1ec6f821ucbee395eacd3b2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e855aa70903120155s7555f763u6ba91873c126a6f4@mail.gmail.com> <102D759898308F4987EEA845740FF693AE352F@resexc03.resolution.lan> <23207d9b0903120324n2d17e9d0p915a6cc89be14d4c@mail.gmail.com> <802fc6fc0903120534l1ec6f821ucbee395eacd3b2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15d4aec20903120615g1fce7a97id061972f454ea849@mail.gmail.com> Haki Kenyans, we really are peculiar in our habits. With a Somali pirate for a hubby, hakuna haja ya kushughulika kutafuta kazi. (Insert Walalo accent here) Ghila ghitu igho dhaani yaghe. Ghama nadhagha ghwenda bhali yote, bhesa igho. Shakula, vazi yote igho ndaani yaghe. Sisi tabheleke wawa bhali yote kwa dunia msima. Can I get a Amen! On 12/03/2009, Felix Otieno wrote: > Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! > People got jokes, I see.How about the Somali pirates.Man,those brothers > are backed like nonsense! The proceeds from the ransoms.How about those? > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Dan Nyutu wrote: > >> i think i am over qualified. i have greek in addition to those languages! >> >> Dan. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Arowinsky Namana >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Mhhh, >>> >>> Specifications....????? >>> He should be a human being legally and naturaly male whose first name >>> is an A to K. LOVE does not think!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> Unless its a hubby bila Love >>> >>> This is my view. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >> > > > -- > Felix Otieno > Marketing Executive > Modern City Property Marketing > +254733471116 > Nairobi,Kenya > > > > -- Sarah Maureen Radoli Reporter/Research Assistant Jacaranda Designs Limited NAIROBI 3746270/7 The artist is not a special kind of person, rather each person is a special kind of artist. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From dor_ot at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 10:22:20 2009 From: dor_ot at yahoo.com (Doreen Otieno) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: TRIBALISM OR POVERTY? WHICH IS KENYA'S BIGGEST ENEMY? References: <330925.19633.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <327891.8973.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Harun, I think you've got it the opposite.? Tribolism, nepotism, and greed, bad policies, bad governance, to my understanding, are some of the sources of poverty in Kenya.? Where these thrive, the result is poverty, corruption, lack of equitable distribution of national resources, disparities in every sector of life, just to mention a few.? The only way to explain this is that Kenya lacks honest and sound leadership.? Remember president calling press conference to talk about his wives.? I don't think this a national concern and it only shows bankruptcy in ideas and insensitivy to national issues.? What is happening in Kenya, my countrymen/women, is pathetic. Doreen ________________________________ From: Harun Kaburia To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:34:18 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: TRIBALISM OR POVERTY? WHICH IS KENYA'S BIGGEST ENEMY? In my view, poverty is a worse enemy in Kenya than tribalism. In fact, I hold the view that its the crippling poverty bedevelling Kenya?that makes tribalism so pronounced. How else do you explain the fact that the places worst affected by the post-election violence were slums and areas with low-income dwellers? There is something very dangerous with anyone who has lost hope or anyone who perceives they have nothing to lose. The whole concept of 'its our turn to eat' stems from the misguided notion that once we have someone from our tribe in power, then we will have enough to eat, our children will go to better schools, etc. If we sorted out poverty, I believe a lot of the other problems affecting us would appear much easier to solve. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM, bedann maina wrote: Speaking of gospel truth do you remember? some people infact a Kanjura who said since their tribal chief has read the draft constitution and disapproved it there is no need of leading. My brother Ogalo we are our own worst enemies but together we can by wiping out the whole house in the 2012 elections and elect leaders and not politicians. --- On Wed, 3/11/09, josiah ogalo wrote: From: josiah ogalo Subject: [YP_Ke] TRIBALISM OR POVERTY? WHICH IS KENYA'S BIGGEST ENEMY? To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:12 AM YPs_Ke, Hey members am seated behind this screen and thinking of the said topic.....Tribalism or Poverty, which is Kenya's biggest enemy? Are the two intertwined or they are independent of each other? Secondly what major issues will form part of campaign agenda come 2012 elections? 1. Constitution review -------- A new constitution within 50 days in office, 2. Zero tolerance to corruption ------- all perpetrators of past scandals to be paid without further investigation, 3. Equal distribution of resources ------- all provinces to get equal Provincial Development Fund, 4. Food security -------- finding long term solution to food problems in Kenya, Leasing land to foreign countries i.e. Qatar, Israel etc 5. Landlessness -------- I will be hunted if I say anything here! 6. Tackling rising insecurity ------- I think our "leaders" (read hyenas) are very poor thinkers. Whenever elections are held and somebody loses, accepting is very difficult.....it seems they are stuck in the scarce mentality! No body sees serving Kenya in the capacity of an Opposition leader if nothing......you gotta be in the government by all means......no wonder! We Kenyan voters are to blame as well.......we/I play into tribal hatred being spread amongst us by the "vipers" and believe what they say as the gospel truth! Next time guys, I pray and hope that we have a change of heart and mind.....we shall vote in good leadership and help create Kenya anew! Let us respond professionally to help find a common ground as a people! 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URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Wed Mar 11 11:14:24 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] SAIDIA :- PASSING AWAY OF PRISCA ODHIAMBO Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Jamila [mailto:jmwidau at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:34 AM To: Dickens Odhiambo Subject: Prisca Odhiambo Friends and Family, It is with deepest sorrow that I write to inform you about the untimely death of my friend and former colleague Prisca Odhiambo. Prisca was visiting Boston from Kisumu with hopes of staying and furthering her education. Unfortunately, she fell ill on Monday Mar 2nd, was hospitalized and passed away in the Intensive Care Unit on Thursday Mar. 5th. She has no family in the US and very few friends. The cost of sending Prisca's body back to Kenya is approximately $9000. Timothy Thomas, April Bell and I worked with Prisca in CDC Kisumu. We'd like to ask our friends and family to assist in raising this large amount of money, so we can send Prisca's body back with dignity to her home and family; prayerfully by the end of next week. Friday, 6 March 2009 It is with deep sorrow that we have learnt about the death of Prisca Akinyi Odhiambo which occurred today at Lowell General Hospital in Massachusetts on Thursday 5 March 2009, after a short illness. Prisca joined the KEMRI/CDC HIV Research Branch in early 2003 to work on the Kisumu Breastfeeding Study (KiBS). Through most of the five-plus years of the study she worked in the pharmacy as a pharmacy technician. She was committed to the study and very dedicated to the KiBS participants, frequently advocating on their behalf at staff meetings; she was always ready to lend them a helping hand. She worked hard and often stayed in the pharmacy long hours and during weekends. She was instrumental in gathering data for the breastmilk sub-study which resulted in a recent publication: 'Antiretroviral concentrations in Breastfeeding Infants of Mothers Receiving Highly Active Antiretroviral Therapy' on which she is a co-author. She was the primary author for a poster that she presented at the Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections (CROI) in Boston, 2008: Discontinuation and/or Modification of Study Drug Regimen among Women in a Trial of Highly Active Antiretroviral Therapy (HAART) for Prevention of Mother-to-Child Transmission (PMTCT) in Kisumu, Kenya. She was always eager to learn more. Unfortunately being in Kisumu, working full-time for KiBS, and taking care of two children meant it was difficult for her to pursue any further education. She left the study in November 2008 to pursue opportunities for further training in the United States. Prisca was vibrant, full of charm, energy and humor and had a way of coping with every one from the senior ('anayo' as she called them) to the most junior ('sina nayo'). She could always make us laugh. Because of her humor we used to call her "Makambo" or Nyar Okumu. She was a special young woman and a friend to many. She will be missed by all of us in the HIV Research branch and the KEMRI/CDC community and many friends and family in Kisumu, in Kenya and the USA. Funds are being raised for expenses in the US and Kenya and to send her back to Kenya. An account has been established in Anchorage, Alaska, another will be established in Kisumu. Bank of America Account Name: Jamila Mwidau Checking Account #: 446006686529 City / State: Baltimore, Maryland Zip: 21117 PAYPAL: AprilJBell at gmail.com To wire funds: Bank name: Wells Fargo Bank Account number: 3955433770 Account name/beneficiary: Timothy Thomas Reference: Donations for Prisca Odhiambo Bank routing number: 121000248 Checks should be made out to: Timothy Thomas (reference account number and purpose) Address for checks: Wells Fargo Bank, P.O. Box 196127, Anchorage, Alaska 99519 For tracking purposes please inform Timothy Thomas ( tft5 at cdc.gov ) of donations If you'd like to contribute please contact me by email and I will provide you further details. Thank you for considering to contribute especially in these tough economic times. Sincerely, Jamila -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A word of welcome to Kenya to Dr. H.C Mult Hans Zehetmair, Chairman of Hanns Seidel Foundation. We also take this opportunity to urge colleagues in the civil society to end their silence on the untimely and cruel manner in which two officials of the Oscar Foundation were murdered in cold blood, last week. Truth and justice must be seen to prevail in the murders so foul. The hard-earned citizens' freedom of expression and assembly must not suffer a setback as a result. Wishing you a pleasant week ahead. We are glad you are reading us. Editor ? Inside this Issue - at a glance: ? Uncontrolled developments: now Nema threatens to sue Kara ? Why Nema has failed its mandate in giving nod to illegal buildings ? uncontrolled developments: why minister Orengo needs public support ? Performance contracting: how PS Ndubai missed the point ? Want to advertise in April/May Neighbourhood Kenya - contact us today! Uncontrolled developments: now NEMA threatens to sue KARA ". it is quite shocking that you can without any conscience attach copies of internal correspondence which you have no authority to access. we will pursue this most blatant breach of integrity accordingly. Further, we will also be requiring you to substantiate the falsehoods you have been publicly peddling, in accordance with the law of land", says the letter dated 4th March 2009 and copied to environment minister Mr. John Michuki and environment PS Mr. Lawrence Lenayapa, among others. Full-story Why NEMA has failed in its mandate in giving nod to illegal buildings It is alleged Dr Mwinzi ignored technical advice and ordered an approval. A conditional approval was signed by the DG, contrary to procedure that requires the Director of Compliance and Enforcement to issue such an approval. The proponents are said to have quickly acknowledged the conditional letter of approval, prompting the DG to direct the EIA section "to quickly prepare the license for his signature." . Full-story Uncontrolled developments: why minister Orengo needs public support: The attention of KARA is drawn to the recent welcome public statements from Lands Minister Mr. James Orengo on the urgent need for government to reclaim leased and illegally allocated wetlands in Nairobi and other parts of the country. We are even more upbeat that the decision was approved by Cabinet vide an inter-ministerial committee. As a country, we have no choice but to move with speed to right the many wrongs on wetlands and reverse the enormous environmental degradation occasioned by severe uncontrolled developments. Full-story Performance contracting: how PS Ndubai missed the point Last week's full page paid response by public sector reform and performance contracting (PSR&PC) permanent secretary Mr. Richard Ndubai to Daily Nation columnist Mr. Jaindi Kisero missed a great opportunity of reclaiming the lost public confidence in annual ranking of government ministries and parastatals' performance. By a stroke of the pen, the response appeared to confirm public fears that PSR&PC is hardly cushioned from partisan politics and is at best a ritual with little or no meaning at all to the taxpayer. Full-story Key events calendar highlights for Mar/Apr. 2009: 09 Mar - Ministry of Environment Stakeholders Forum 09 Mar - USAID Survey on Regional Trade and Commercial Laws 10 Mar - Crafting of National Policy Framework for Urban Development Seminar 10 Mar - Review of Building Code Committee Meeting 10 Mar - Reflection Session on Performance of the Grand Coalition Government 11 Mar - KEPSA Land Sector Board Meeting 12 Mar - Launch of Kenya Water for Health Organization Strategic Plan 12 Mar - Seminar on Integrated Development, Electricity Supply and Town Planning Challenges 12 Mar - 2 day Conference on Climate Change Adaptation and Water 16 Mar - Launch of National Taxpayers Association Citizens Audit of CDF and LATF 19 Mar - The HSF Seminar on Waki Report to be addressed by Hon. Martha Karua 31 Mar - KARA Governing Council Meeting DISCLAIMER: Clickhere TO JOIN OR SUPPORT KARA - Clickhere Safe Subscribe/Unsubscribe: To automatically subscribe - please send a message with subject 'subscribe' to kara_newsletter-subscribe at kara.or.ke You could similarly unsubscribe automatically by sending a mail to kara_newsletter-unsubscribe at kara.or.ke with the subject 'unsubscribe'. Contact KARA: The Chief Executive Officer The Kenya Alliance of Resident Associations (KARA) Natu Court, Suite E-39, Ngong Rd/Ring Rd Kilimani Junction P.O Box 1411-00100 GPO, NAIROBI, Kenya Tel. 254-20-3874331, 3873828, 2341515, Fax: 254-20-3862872 Cellphones: 0725983445; 0772700007; 0733779585 E-mail: info at kara.or.ke or kara at accesskenya.co.ke Website: www.kara.or.ke KARA - "Together, We Will" Useful Note ? Contents of The KARA Weekly Newsletter may be freely reproduced on condition that the source is duly acknowledged. 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No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; and - Maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault. Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement. Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers: - I Know My Rights - I Want It Now - Someone Else Is To Blame - I'm A Victim Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing. DISCLAIMER: Please note that our email address is NOW @equitybank.co.ke. This email message and any file(s) transmitted with it is intended solely for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information which confidentiality and/or privilege is not lost or waived by reason of mistaken transmission. If you have received this message by error you are not authorized to view disseminate distribute or copy the message without the written consent of Equity Bank Limited and are requested to contact the sender by telephone or e-mail and destroy the original. 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URL: From AGithuka at resolution.co.ke Thu Mar 12 05:24:09 2009 From: AGithuka at resolution.co.ke (Alex Githuka) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:09 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A Hubby In-Reply-To: <3e855aa70903120155s7555f763u6ba91873c126a6f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e855aa70903120155s7555f763u6ba91873c126a6f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <102D759898308F4987EEA845740FF693AE352F@resexc03.resolution.lan> Based on vision 2030 I think I qualify, by then I'll hit 50 and my safcom shares will have unbelievably gone up if safcom will be alive n kicking ________________________________ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M Kenya Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:56 AM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A Hubby Specifications. 1.)He should be kenyan modern (watu wa mashambani please apply elsewhere.) 2).Should be Employed (prefaerably in mangerial positions that have executive allowances e.g. an MD at EABL si mbaya) 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 30 Million(Sitaki BrokeAss) 4).Should be running a side business of 5M net per month (if a politician, he should have links to the maize deals) 5).Able to sire and comfortably support 8-10 legal and illegal children(Blank shooters please dont apply.) 6).If working he should be willing to work till the MPs reitrement age of 90 or so.(To support me, the mistress, clande, and our children) 7.)Should be aged between 45 - 60 yrs old (campaserians and those who are struggling to establish themselves are adviced to seek elsewhere) 8).Fluent In English, French, Espanol (to comunicate when we take holidays and business trips abroad) 9.) Should be proud of his tribe and be ready to promote poitive ethnicity (meaning kabila ni pesa) 10)He should be a heavy drinker (so that he can throw pints to my whole clan) 11) He should be church going(Yeah, when Angel Gabriel reads him his rightsThough i dont go to church,Need somebody who can help me start going to church) 12) He should be Loaded, loaded loaded ( I, clande and mistress will keep ourselves shapely, lively and bring fun in the marriage as long as the money river keeps flowing.) 15) A guy who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed to the maximum while we are still alive or even if HE passes on. (He should pass on quick so that we can fight for the insuarance) 16)Believes that MONEY is the reason people get married If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my email and copy the mistress and clande (respectively) MK On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Simiyu wrote: Specifications. 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. 2).Should be employed or self employed. 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To join me or start her own business) 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive ethnicity 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added advantage) 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need somebody who can help me start going to church) 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of person 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed to the maximum while we are still alive. 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my email
From jbatec at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 09:18:01 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Review: Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed Message-ID: <822677.87167.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mr. Okodo, ? Thank you so much, ? I am glad to hear things are working out and PM Raila is getting down to business.? Let also PM Raila know that people like Prof. Anyang Nyongo have become unpopular here in the USA.? When next he is sending people down hear to meet with Diasporas, he should send people of the likes of Salim Lone who is not biased or manipulative but is able to meet sharing with everyone, lending ears?and giving a?uniting advice not divisive ones.? Things are not good with the Country Kenya, people are fearsome and angry trancending down here, suffering from election fall-out fever and the insecurity that now prevails.? People witch-hunting others to silence them.? We cannot and will not entertain an intimidative behaviour as well as those?dividing factor elements.? Everyone must learn that the wind of change is here with all of us, and it will spare no one.? So we have to change before we are all consumed.? Others want to destroy Kenya by creating a battle ground in Kenya and that too will not be tolerated.? Let them tred carefully, because eyes are watching them. ? Quote and Quotes.............. "PM Raila should try very hard to hummer on Ministers, Legislatures,?The Executives, Administrators, Business men and Co-operate Directors (men) especially those hailing from Nyanza to accommodate discipline incase they want to succeed.?The hill is bushy and steep to climb. They have become a target.? It is not a choice but a requirement.? Migingo Island issue is by design a time-bomb. They must tackle it most carefully, efficiently and effectively without dwiddling, it is a Kenyan property and Kibaki is playing dirty game here. That, they must also stay away from Ndogo Ndogos with fresh machungwas.? It is enticing but critically dangerous and lethal in times such as these.? They cannot afford to changanya beer and ndogo ndogos.? The ndogos have become trained weapons for the enemy because of poverty, let them be vigilant and watchful". ? We would be appreciative if they would find ways to remove Ambassador Ogego from here and replace him with a more suitable candidate who can provide efficient and reliable services in the diplomatic and other local services benefitial to all without favour or working in cohorts detrimental to the good name of Kenyans, Friends of Kenya and Kenyan Republic. ? Send them my love and greetings of good tiding!!!? ? I love them all........ ? Sincerely, Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Tobias Odongo Ogodo Ogodo wrote: From: Tobias Odongo Ogodo Ogodo Subject: Re: Review: Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed To: "Judy Miriga" Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 4:19 AM Hi Judy I'm happy for your mail once again. It is good and it has a good advise for our leaders especially to our PM Raila. We had a meeting with PM and we discuss many things including development in Nyanza because we are behind in terms of development. I'm happy to tell you that there will be a meeting in Kisumu called NYANZA ECONOMIC FORUM on 16th? next week on Monday. PM call all Political leaders, Religius leaders, Business People, NGOs at Tom Mboya Labour College. The main agenda will be how we can develop economically. Judy you wanted my budget proposal pus others, I,m still working on it and by next week you will get it. Otherwise bye for now hoping you will communicate soon. God bless Tobby From: Judy Miriga Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:16:58 AM Subject: Review: Committment to Public Demands is What is Needed Folks, ? First things first.? It is?logical to tackle issues from existing points where mistakes are pinpointed to improve situation for the future.? Our future here is 2012.? We want food now to save lives in the present.? We want responsible good leadership to provide constitutional reform now?so that, come 2012 we have policy beacons guides to follow for 2012 election.?Without which there will be no election come 2012. ? However, there is a team entrusted to do just that.? This team is headed by?President Kibaki and PM Raila who together own Grand Coalition Government with?Party Titles of PNU and ODM.? The two teams are on the field playing.? If at this point their playing match do not appeal or are below standards then they face disqualification.? Disqualification will be met with New Political Order to complete unfinished work by the two grouping parties after which the platform will be levelled to provide for fresh Teams?on a race, championing for fresh mandate for 2012.? It will be a waste of time for the likes of Ruto and Uhuru and the rest to scramble for election now.? It is foolshardy.? New emerging groups (who are not in the current leadership) should show their skills by sharpening their tools now, doing what needs done, what the electorate expects of them and deliver what needs delivered, or challenge what need challenged, confront presents leaders with reality and facts. They should be busy taking present leadership to task to make sure they deliver according to their promises,?what needs done and where they have stumbled.? We have to discuss in all forums issue oriented backed with facts. ? My take therefore,?PM Raila?for once did the right thing to be able to stand?out his ground and call it shots at this moment of grief.? It is about time bad boys who have been enjoying?protection of the few powerful Mt. Kenya Mafia in the Government system be told off.? They are not working for the interest of the Public but of their own stomach. Even?though Raila and ODM team have a half backed cake presently, they still have power enough to wield towards wishes of the electorate.??With or without powers in the set-up of present ruling Coalition Government, the goal can still be achieved through pressure.? They are better off fixing loopholes bit by pieces by denouncing corruption and?pushing constitutional change?to be?top in their Agenda.? One good thing?PM Raila?can do is to speak up aggresively, demonstratively and consistently, leaning on constructive advisors not coward or petty selfish types, to shout down the likes of Mutua, Chief of Police Mr. Ali, Uhuru, Beth Mugo?etc., (the people will hear and the world will hear too).?Keeping quite or lying low signals a sell-out an inability to function.?He must resist to be the salt of Mt. Kenya Mafia dictates. ?He can only speak and provide change within while the system last not without. If he can do that, he will gain majoirity support and people can start to?believe in him. ? No human being has the right to be silenced by the gun however immoral, wicked or lithal gun-trotting condemned mafia gang.??People must be given a judicial fair hearing and trial and be judged according to the law that prevails, every Citizen without discrimination has a right for fair trial.? ? What the Government did here was, they rushed to cover-up by silencing these unfortunate people (who were not given chance to defend themselves) so to drum their case home, that these young people are from a deadly gang.? Showing Mungiki on TV to prove a case as bad boys without arraigning them in court demonstrates a failed system scrumbling and panicking for cover-up. ? Yes, Alston's report must be adhered to.? Mr. Wako and the Police chief Mr. Ali as first suspects, must explain while behind bars, sequences as contained in Alston's report. Police must not take laws in their own hands, they are creating fear amongst people.? Freedome of speech is everyones right. ? We all know Mungiki is a dangerous group, but all we see is, we are treated to a movie that?the Government is trying to hide something which must be unveiled.? We do not want?to see people like Mutua who keep trying to preach the gospel under influence.? ? If Raila would continue to move at this pace, we might say, we are heading somewhere to salvage Kenya.? We will not accept intimidation or pressure?by allowing Kenyan Government to silence people.? It will not work.? The PNU group have to stop this kind of drama.? 2012 is still too far.? We need to steadfastly count on results not stagnation or some kind of shift gear down the cliff.? He must stay focused on achieving track.? Nothing comes easy, and one cannot relax or sleep when war is up-scale.? Raila must show genuine compasion to the plights?of?pathetic situation?of people and not just a temporary curtain?demonstration before the camera.? He needs to challenge and tell people where all these donor money disappear to?once they are received into the country, he must find out through the Finance Ministry and tell the public.? We are concerned because this big donor money coming in, desappears mysteriously once it gets into the country.? It does not fizzle down to rescue the people, some of which (like maize) disappear to the neighbouring countries where they are sold while Kenyans are starving to death.? PM Raila needs proper set-up machinery of the Administration Team to help him do his work efficiently.? He needs to have focused clear minded advisors to help him think straight, so he can be able to respond by diving into issues in a spar of moment to salvage situations before they go out of hand.? He needs to have a crucial list of activities he want to pursue in a given time frame (say 100 days from now) to be managed by his Administrative Team for forward strategy plan of action.? He must entrust his elected Members of Parliament with underscored activities agenda on a by-weekly commissioning.? That is what he needs to do, and that is what I expect he?should do to be able to cross to Canaan. Yes, Kenya can be salvaged from a Failed State with action pact.? Ofcourse, we all love Kenya, but we want a reliable leader, someone who can be trusted no matter who it is. ? Let us look on the other side of the coin.? How?the Mungiki was formed.? One thing is very clear that it begun as a religious?Kikuyu sect.? They were used by the GEMA to cause meyhem during election time.? They were thugs for hire.??They were?politically balooned by the Mt. Kenya Mafia and became unmanageable.? They started negotiating for?their demands?deals?which made them fall out of favour with President Kibaki.? Their leadership?were seen going to?State House?to meet with?Kibaki Team during 2007 preparation for election and after but Kibaki and Team has denied that never happened.? ? The saying goes, you create a monster, the moster will sooner or later get out of control and eventually overpowers?and consumes the owner. Especially when the leadership break-up to form diverse interest groupings.? The other reason is when their leadership?squables go separate ways, their united front breaks up in divisions forming rebel groups squads headed?by different marshals.?The Mt. Kenya Mafia did not therefore, have control over the monster after it grew oversize and demands vs. supply stopped matching.? It became difficult to contain the group, they got devided as they moved away upon leadership wrangles chasing 2012.? They became too powerful with sofisticated weaponry?to a point they commanded their own demands as they disintegrated.??In order to survive they offered available services to political environment willing buyer willing seller.?As the?Mt. Kenya Mafia and other PNU?of Central leadership groupings eyeing for 2012 begin to disintegrate amongst themselves, they too?got divided into groups with independent leadership for divegent opportunities?to support varying interests.?? ? Mt. Kenya group must have been terrified when information were leaked to UN Reporteaur Mr. Alston over extraordinary killings by the Police.? What is possible, they may have eliminated GPO and partner to cover-up and destroy evidence.? In this case, Saitoti should join Wako and?Police boss by stepping down from Public Office while investigations are going on. ? Consequently, Ruto is no majic bullet win win strategy for ODM.? Without him or moving out of Ruto from ODM to join Uhuru is no threat to ODM as long as ODM cleans house and start working as is expected of them by the Public.? Kenyans want to enlist corruption behind their back, they want to see change taking effect.? This is the time ODM with their half-baked-cake should move to the right direction where the wind is seen to be blowing to.? They cannot afford to sit on their comfort chairs, but must work alongside with the general public to wipe corruption, and provide for the much needed constitution reform.? ? The ODM as a party have enough Silver Bullets to penetrate the dwiddling political jungle before?the declaration that "Kenya is a failed State".? This is possible only when they pay attention to the peoples' cries.? Before coalition government is dissolved, Raila must put up a concerted efforts to work towards change and must be seen doing so before change change him as well. ? My prayers again to the family of the departed.? It is not easy, but take heart.? Thank you all and God Bless Kenya.? ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ ? ? ? News Raila on the warpath ? By?SUNDAY NATION TeamPosted?Saturday, March 7?2009?at?21:43 In Summary Prime Minister accuses security forces of killing innocent people Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday tore into the country?s security agencies over extrajudicial killings and said acts of impunity must be brought to an end and the rule of law restored. Mr Odinga spoke a day after the US Embassy in Nairobi offered help in investigating the latest killings ? those of Oscar Foundation director Oscar King?ara and official Paul Oulu. And the matter threatened to throw the struggling grand coalition government into a fresh crisis over the strong positions taken by cabinet ministers. The Prime Minister, one of the two principals in the coalition, has twice this week lashed out at the same government he serves and half of whose Cabinet members belong to his ODM party. Mr Odinga appears to be growing frustrated with the government he helped form a year ago and this week asked for a renegotiation of the deal that brought his ODM and President Kibaki?s Party of National Unity together. On Friday, he fired a salvo at government spokesperson Alfred Mutua saying that he did not speak for the grand coalition government. Mr Mutua issued a statement on Wednesday alerting the public that the Oscar Foundation and members of the proscribed Mungiki sect were planning to paralyse transport the following day and warned that the law would take its course. The protests went ahead Thursday, but the day ended tragically with the execution-style killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. On Saturday Mr Odinga called for a halt to the ?rule by the gun the security officers have displayed while purporting to discharge their duties in recent times. People should not be shot without following the due process of the law. We have had cases where the officers shoot dead innocent citizens before they plant a gun on the body of the deceased.? He attributed the lawlessness to the collapse of the country?s justice system and said the office of the Attorney-General was guilty of abetting the practice after officers implicate defenceless people with trumped up charges to justify their actions. On Saturday the police said they were questioning six people in connection with the killings Thursday evening near the junction of Mamlaka Road and State House Road Intense scrutiny Two weeks ago, the police and the AG came under intense scrutiny in a report prepared by UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Philip Alston who accused the force of engaging in such killings, sparking outrage from the public. Speaking in his Gatundu South constituency, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta called on security forces to ensure that the killers of the two human rights activists were apprehended immediately. ?We need justice, and police should speed up investigations. People should also stop politicising the killing and instead seek the truth ? you cannot politicise everything,? Mr Kenyatta said. ?We should stop persistent wrangles in the coalition and concentrate on solving problems that face Kenyans for development. We should stop shouting at each other every now and then. ODM should accept whatever the party has been given and serve Kenyans.? The Sunday Nation learnt that the US government has offered the services of Nairobi-based detectives from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to investigate Thursday?s killings. A diplomatic note to the Foreign Affairs ministry says the American detectives are ready to ?offer immediate assistance.? ?The FBI within the US Mission (Nairobi embassy) is standing by and is able to begin working immediately on the investigation,? read part of the note dated March 6, 2009 In Kirinyaga, Justice minister Martha Karua said calls by political leaders and other Kenyans to bring the FBI and other foreign police agencies into the investigation were a sign of grave national concern. ?The public is losing faith in us who are in the government and now want foreigners to carry out probe into crimes committed against humanity in our country,? she said. She said the reaction of Kenyans was a wake-up call to the government. ?For Kenyans to have confidence in what we are doing, then something should be done to improve the performance of the institutions in the spotlight,? she said. But Public Health minister Beth Mugo insisted the country?s institutions were strong and Kenya did not need foreigners to help solve the killings of Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu. Criminal activities ?We are a mature nation with strong institutions which we have faith in. We must trust these institutions to look into these criminal activities and take legal action as fast as possible,? she said. On Friday, Mr Odinga appealed for international investigators to take over the case, but Police Commissioner Hussein Ali said his officers are competent and would continue handling the matter. The Sunday Nation has learnt that two teams of local detectives have been assigned the investigation. Police say they have been fighting to contain Mungiki, a secretive group accused of beheading and mutilating their victims and levying illegal taxes on the matatu industry and other businesses . Earlier on Thursday Mr King?ara had spoken by mobile phone to an official of the Kenya National Human Rights Commission (KNHCR) complaining that he was being trailed by people he suspected to be police officers. ?But little did we know that it would end so tragically,? the KNHCR official, who declined to be named for his own safety, told the Sunday Nation. According to people who are said to have witnessed the early evening shooting by several men who had blocked the victims? vehicle with their cars, the attackers grabbed the men?s phones, removed the SIM cards and smashed the sets. The victims had visited various parts of the city during the day to assess the success of the protest that sought, among other things, to force Maj-Gen Ali and Mr Wako to resign. The protest paralysed transport in various parts of Nairobi, especially Kayole, Kangemi, Banana and Kawangware. It also affected towns in Central Kenya including Thika, Nyeri, Murang?a and Nyahururu. Proposed reforms On Saturday, Mr Odinga told mourners in Siaya district during the burial of historian Prof Atieno Odhiambo that it was time the proposed reforms in the police force were put into effect to redeem the waning public confidence in law enforcement agencies. Speaking at Alliance Girls? High School, Budalang?i MP Ababu Namwamba said, ?any help that can support the course of justice is welcome, especially at a time when the police have been accused of incompetence.? The MP also asked the government to demonstrate a serious legal effort to destroy criminal gangs that threaten the peace and security of citizens. ?We can fight crime legally without killing people,? he said. On Thursday night, a University of Nairobi student was shot dead in a confrontation with police after Mr King?ara and Mr Oulu were killed. Story by Dan Otieno, David Okwembah, Fred Mukinda and Augustine Oduor ? Ruto Moving to Join Uhuru ? By Standard Team > Agriculture Minister and ODM deputy leader William Ruto has broken ranks > with his party and told off its disgruntled MPs to shape up or ship out. > Ruto said this even as it emerged that a new political alliance between > himself and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta could be in the offing. > Ruto led Rift Valley MPs in roundly condemning their party's demand that > the power sharing accord for the grand coalition be renegotiated. > Speaking at a fundraising at Chematich Secondary School in Cherangany on > Sunday, Ruto challenged "dissatisfied ODM MPs" to quit the Grand Coalition > Government. > He accused the disgruntled ODM MPs of frustrating the working spirit of > the coalition. > "We should be talking about hunger, the failing education standards and > not the improper sharing of power," said Ruto. > To prove that he would be willing to go it alone, Ruto further challenged > the dissatisfied ODM MPs to quit the coalition as "individuals instead of > threatening that the party was about to withdraw from Government". > Ruto, who was accompanied by several ODM MPs, said the current government > had a mandate of five years to serve Kenyans. > Fair share > The Rift Valley MPs drove their message even more clearly yesterday when > they joined Ruto at yet another fundraising at Kapsabet Showground in > Emgwen Constituency of Nandi District, where they made it clear that they > would quickly take up Cabinet positions if their ODM colleagues walked out > of the coalition. > And even as ODM pushes for a fair share of government positions in the > coalition, the Rift Valley MPs re-opened dispute over the sharing of > government positions among their party members. > The MPs included Assistant ministers Charles Keter, William Cheptumo and > Aden Duale. > Others were area MPs Elijah Lagat, Magerer Langat (Kepkelion), David Koech > (Mosop), Peris Simam (Eldoret South), Jackson Kiptanui (Keiyo South), > Charles Keter (Belgut), Julius Kones (Konoin), Lucas Chepkitony (Keiyo > North), David Koech (Mosop), Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, nominated MP > Musa Sirma, Isaac Ruto and politician Alex Kosgey. > The possibility of the alliance between Ruto and Uhuru - and possibly > Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka - was given credence by Assistant minister > Kareke Mbiuki, who sensationally revealed that he had been involved in > meetings between the two and that a political union was in the offing. > Mbiuki disclosed that Uhuru and Ruto had met and worked on a possible > political alliance. > Mbiuki, a close ally of the Finance minister, said majority of Central > Kenya MPs -including the chairman of the region's Parliamentary caucus > Ephraim Maina, who is also the Mathira MP - were in support of Uhuru's > move to forge an alliance with Ruto. > Mbiuki said he had mediated talks between Uhuru and Ruto, which could > result in a key political partnership in the run-up to the 2012 General > Elections. > Speaking at Ngunga Primary School in his Nithi constituency where he > distributed relief food to residents of the remote Igamba Ng'ombe division > on Sunday, Mbiuki said the two had been holding meetings aimed at a > political union. > "Mr Ruto is my minister while Mr Kenyatta is my party chairman. Both of > them are youthful and have a long history in Kanu. I relate with them > well. I have been the middleman in talks that could result in a major > political alliance," said the Nithi MP. He hinted that the alliance would > also include the Vice-President. > Efforts to reach Ruto about Mbiuki's claims were unsuccessful as his > mobile phone went unanswered. > The ODM MPs from the North and South Rift region who attended the Ruto > function said those demanding re-negotiations should tell Kenyans of their > political intensions. > Mr Lagat dared those who wanted to quit the coalition saying, "We will > move in swiftly and replace them as soon as they quit." > Isaac Ruto said if fresh negotiations will be done, then a third principal > should be engaged because "the half a loaf ODM received was not fairly > distributed." > Kutuny said if there was to be any renegotiations, then the distribution > of the half loaf in ODM should first be addressed. > Simmering rows > "The party should not be personalized. It belongs to all Kenyans and there > should be fairness," Kuttuny said, revealing the simmering rows within > ODM. > Ruto said "As leaders we must strive to focus our energies to develop the > country by addressing pertinent issues affecting Kenyans," said Ruto. > Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and nominated MP Musa Sirma said some MPs had > hatched a plot to weaken and destroy the coalition. They vowed to stick to > the principles of the one-year-old grand coalition. > "Those out to scuttle the grand coalition have a hidden agenda and we > challenge them to declare their interests without compromising the party," > said Kutuny. > Duale said ODM MPs from Rift Valley, Coast, Western and North Eastern > would protect the coalition and termed those agitating for its collapse as > daydreamers. > The Agriculture minister censured his Cabinet colleagues for allegedly > abdicating their responsibilities and instead wasting time in unnecessary > and unhealthy political talk. > Ruto's sentiments were echoed by nine MPs at the function who also > dismissed threats by their colleagues to quit the Government. > "It is an unrealistic plot to return the country backwards when we have > many challenges to overcome," said Ruto. > The MPs said ODM was a senior partner in the coalition and would not pull > out of Government. > They termed the quit threats orchestrated by some MPs from Nyanza province > as misplaced. > This is a clear breakaway from ODM's National Executive Council (NEC) that > kicked off the storm last week by demanding that the coalition National > Accord be re-negotiated to provide for a 50-50 stake for their party and > PNU. > Addressing a press conference then, ODM Secretary-General Anyang' Nyong'o > said the party was tired of staying in a marriage where their rights were > being ignored. > - Reports by Osinde Obare, Patrick Muriungi, Titus Too and Maseme Machuka. ? Re: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all Monday, March 9, 2009 6:57 AM From: "albert kenyanya" Add sender to Contacts To: "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." jambo at publiceyesite.org ? ? Judy ? I wanna thank? you for your comforting message and at the same time try to underscore you and everyone?who thinks that Raila is no MOSES anymore. For any Kenyan that is following these leaders very closely can tell where the problem lies. It is politics as usual. For one I want everyone to remember that this is not the government that we can hold Raila responsible for and if you doubt my words read very carefully what the other side is breathing out, then you can absolutely understand what is going on. Of course we're seeing a lot of corruption cases in this government, but we still don't know?how bad it could have been if Kikuyu's were left to run this nation by themselves as they had opted to do by stealing the elections in the first place. So we can address the problems of? to day and yesterday, but we must never forget about the history of the past ie Anglo leasing, standard media mess, Armenian brothers,? constitutional reforms mess, selling of regency Hotel and so many others. Bottom line, we must never expect anything crucial from this government, because Kibaki and Raila are two sworn enemies who are forced to marry each other and up to this moment they don't know WHO is a man and who is a woman. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Judy Miriga wrote: From: Judy Miriga Subject: [Jambo] My Prayers with you all To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, youngprofs at yahoo.co.uk, youthagendayln at yahoogroups.com, yourviews at cnn.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "odhiambo okecth" , "dickens odhiambo" Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:53 AM ? Folks, It is truely sad that Kenya and Kenyan Government?has to go down?on failed?lane.? My Prayers to those who have lost loved ones.? May God rest the departed souls in peace. ? And peace be with all of you.? Amen......... ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From makodingo at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 10:48:08 2009 From: makodingo at gmail.com (Dr Makodingo) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: KENYA POLICE In-Reply-To: <809694.98503.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <809694.98503.qm@web53510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <941dd5ec-ae06-4170-bd91-cc67561bfc9d@s36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> Wait a minute! How can a bunch of people who lay claim to some kind of intelligence get into a trap like this? Do you seriously think that the police and their backers would have wanted that demonstration to end peacefully?! Really? What other reason would they have had in the future to outlaw demonstrations or mass action? If the 'conventionally' rowdy students could stage a peaceful mass action, what reason would they have to stop the highly organized Civil Society from protesting Government ills? How many times have the police denied people permission to stage mass action on the pretext of insecurity??? How many times have you had them saying thugs would join in and cause chaos??? Of course thugs could take advantage of the situation and destroy property because that's what thugs do! And that is why the law requires that you notice the police so they can put proper measures into place to ensure that both the protesters and private property is protected. I have on many occasions been involved in mass action. All of those times, I was in the company of people who WOULD NEVER throw stones at the police. And ALL those times we were teargassed!... That is to say, ALL those times, it is the police that RIOTED! I am of the qualified opinion that the disruptions were planned by the police through their moles in the student body! If the police did their job properly, there would NEVER had been vehicles to push and neither would the students have gotten near any property to destroy!!! They did not want that demonstration to take place on the pretext that Mungiki would join in and cause chaos. Did you see any Mungiki battling the Police anywhere? So where did that "Intelligence" come from? This country must do everything it takes to ensure members of the public can participate in Non-Violent actions of petitioning the authorities when they are displeased! The Police MUST do their job - which is to protect life and property WITHOUT infringing on the rights of other citizens to PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE! 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It has been revealed that the professionals and academician s from the region have of late been holding behind the scene consultative meetings in both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way forward on how the residents can free and separated themselves from the Odinga ?s family influence. Issues at stake include the recent placement in the government?s plum jobs, appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the effort to revive the stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya Breweries Kisumu plant , proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. The group, according to impeccable source have been holding secret meetings in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even in the lakeside City of Kisumu. The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, academicians and some selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way forward to build another centre of power gravitation inside Luo-Nyanza, which is devoid of the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with any group of Kenyan politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal relations for mutual benefits of Kenyans. Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to pressurize any government of the day to split the present Nyanza Province into three Provinces., that would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped together in one administrative Province with its headquarters in Kisii town, and the third Province to group all the administrative of Suba, Homa-Bay, Nyatike, Migori, Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed headquarters in either Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. This school of thought was originally the brainchild of the late Hezekiah N Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary in-charge of Provincial Administration and Internal Security who had proposed the power devolution way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new Province covering Southern Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii town. However, years later during the Constitutional dispensation conference held at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the proposal was vehemently opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as an attempt to divide the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge basket for his own political mileage and control.But the proponents of the idea felt that the splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be beneficial to the region because it will attract more government funding. But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now revisited the idea once again. The group believes there is leadership vacuum in Nyanza and that there is the need for the region?s residents to built several new centre of power to gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza regions. Several prominent names have been floated. One is that of the Minister for Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for Rongo, the Immigration Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and that of the youthful Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant Minister for Internal Security. Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a party many Luos believed to have masterminded the community?s marginalization and political suppression by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo Kenyatta and the retired President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that the Minister has matured up politically and can take the mantled of the overall community leadership. Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too childish and not a serious person worth trusting with the responsibility of leading the Luo to a higher height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen as an achiever and a dynamic politician who has successfully developed his hitherto backward Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic development. Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving loyalty to Raila Odinga. Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed the Ministerial appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in 2005 in solidarity with ODM and Raila Odinga. Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the allocation and distribution of ministerial posts in the grand coalition government shared on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the Prime Minister Raila Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant Minister instead of the full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno Kajwang? who got away with the Immigration ministerial slot. But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate comment. He said to be keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any governmental or political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever since the formation of the grand coalition, though he is said to be extremely loyal to his friend the Prime Minister. ther burning issues to which Raila must come out clean, is the allegations that he had interfered with the new appointment of the joint officiasl receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar Companies, and allegedly instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure of the two joint receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich Bett. The two have been the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for the last four years, but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have gone for months without their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani closed down a couple of years ago. Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a brother-in-law to Dr. Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who is also an Assistant Minister for Finance. The Prime Minister is reported as having recently released ten tractors, which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza Province for the purpose of improving agricultural activities in the region. Raila released the tractors in Bondo his home turf and ignored other agriculturally rich regions where the tractors could be put to a better use of improving food production in the region.. A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be secretly backing the separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern region from those from Bondo and Siaya. While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for having taken bold steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted from the controversial Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the same time being accused for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue for the resuscitation of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the improvement of the fishing industry in Lake Victoria.. .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime Minister for lack of total commitment in the real task of poverty eradication. Instead, the PM is said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero worshipping and sycophancy. The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be routing for the communal harmonization between the Luos as and the neighbouring communities irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at the same time blaming the current crop of MP from the region for promoting politics of hatred.. The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said to be reaching their counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. Several night meeting are said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and Nairobi. And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker reportedly denounced the Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in Luo circumcised as one way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that such trivialities should not be the priority of the person holding such covenanted position of Premier to handle. ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the community?s priority. There are other priorities which Raila should tackle with his Luo parliamentary colleagues. It is only a matter of time before the on-going war between Raila and professionals exploded in the open for public debate. The professionals are also against loose talking such as the recent call by Dr. Oburu Oginga on William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign over the maize scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full of arrogance and as such misplaced.. Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the bad habit of rushing to the press on every single issue in this country..They must learn to be cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated comments on contentious issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at all cost. We were not able to establish the names of the professional and politicians said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila Odinga from the Southern Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings have taken place in both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly criticized Raila for having distributed government plum jobs to his kith and kin from Bondo and Siaya. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo,com From kimani1 at un.org Thu Mar 12 10:38:29 2009 From: kimani1 at un.org (Anne Kimani) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:38:29 +0200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife In-Reply-To: <93875fca0903120730yfecd61bgeedb74d6ae98e3fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Even the unborn great great grand children of our former and present presidents, some ministers and some business men have it or it is just pocket money. How about that Wawira Ndwiga? Cheers. Anne Kimani Kigali, Rwanda. Wawira Ndwiga To Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups. youngprofessional com s_ke at googlegroups cc .com Subject [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife 12/03/2009 04:30 PM Please respond to youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com There is no 21-24 year old who has a NET WORTH of? 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Even after many years of searching the Scriptures in great humility at the feet of the cross, there are subjects that I am still searching! Indeed the word of God is new every morning! I don't know about you, but as for me, I plead with the man of Galilee daily, to help me not only understand His word, but to be humble enough to apply it in my daily interaction with His children! Having said that, I need to get into the subject of dreams! I am almost sure that at one time or the other each one of us, has dreamed about one of the following: -About winning a lottery -About passing/failing a given examination -About someone wanting to kill you -About your loved one doing something strange and unthinkable -About being involved in an accident -About our deceased loved ones talking to us -About joining a particular church -About the second coming of Jesus But, I guess the big question is: Where do dreams come from? How can someone know the actual source? What does the Bible tell us about dreams? -In the old Testament, God spoke with His servants through dreams -According to the book of Genesis, the young man, Joseph, was a dreamer,something that set him at odds with his family in general and his brothers in particular -According to the book of Daniel, Daniel, the prophet, understood and interpreted dreams -If you study the book of Mathew, you will find out that God, the father, spoke through dreams to Joseph and Mary, the earthly parents of Jesus, instructing them to move Jesus, from point A to B, because Herode wanted to kill Him How about our time? He is God and we are but human. He does what He chooses to! If He sees the need of speaking to any of His children through a dream, no one will stop Him. Having said that, we must remember the fact that the devil too can use these dreams, but only to confuse and destroy! So, when someone comes and tells you that God spoke with me last night, you should be wise not to jump into any conclusions as yet. many have been victims of this view, "God spoke with me through a dream." It might also be useful to know that some of the dreams come as a result of our too much thinking of a particular subject: Here is how Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, once put it: "As a dream comes when there are many cares, so the speech of a fool when there are many words." Ecclesiastes 5:3 The best we can do, is to be careful how we understand and interpret dreams! Shall we? Just a thought Pr Birai From no-reply at wetpaintmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:11:38 2009 From: no-reply at wetpaintmail.com (Hon. Martha Karua) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:11:38 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] Hon. Martha Karua Weekly Digest Message-ID: <1181166572.49079@wetpaintmail.com> Weekly Digest: Hon. Martha Karua http://marthakarua.wetpaint.com Thank you for being part of Hon. Martha Karua. 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So busy as He was, He took time to answer the questions in ways that I have always admired! It's interesting that the gospel writers sometimes ends with this clause "After that...no one dared to ask any more questions! Even though I have over the years studied the gospels in great humility, I don't seem to have had enough! Indeed, I will continue the search! The Pauline epistles, give us information on another great man-the apostle Paul- who was ever busy. That said, he spent some of his time answering questions or trying to clear some misunderstandings. >From time to time, I find myself called upon to answer some questions! Much as some of this questions are sensitive, they need to be answered! I received a call from another state whereby this friend who had bought my autobiography,"Except for the Lord," and was calling to order for the next one,"my midnight hour,"wanted to know why I prefer to use one title-Pr Birai- over the other title-Dr Birai. Since I have been asked that question several times, let me attempt to answer it in great humility! In all that I do-preach, write articles, write books, and help others-I want the man of Galilee and not me to be seen! Why! -I have come along way! No one knew that I would be alive today, be where I am, and do that which I am doing! -The good Lord, has brought me a long way. He and I have come a long way! So much that the Psalmist cry, "What can I render unto my lord for all His goodness unto me,"(Psalms116:12,) has been the cry of my heart for many years! -During my many years of suffering, I prayed to God to help me attain the highest education possible and yet remain as humble as the man Moses; yea, more than Moses, the man of Galilee, Himself! -And because of this,all that I care for is the world to know me as a humble servant of God! So that I don't confuse you, I have no quarrels whatsoever with those who have worked so hard to use their titles! I have very great respect to all and use titles that apply to each one! -I have told my wife and children that the day I go the way of my fore fathers, all I want people to remember of me is that I loved the Lord of the vineyard and all His children without partiality! And so dear friends that is why I love it when one calls me-Hi pastor! rather than Hi Doc! Oh! each day I am pleading and crying to become like Him in all that I do! How about you! Blessings. Pr Birai From muchinasue at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 01:51:13 2009 From: muchinasue at gmail.com (sue muchina) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:51:13 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife In-Reply-To: <306c5eba-e0c1-4ee6-9cbb-dbe429771194@z1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> References: <594608.58434.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <306c5eba-e0c1-4ee6-9cbb-dbe429771194@z1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <3ed658250903122251k37cb72efo66e607058d1075bc@mail.gmail.com> @ simiyu I dont think its an impossibility to get the wife of your choice...but in my view you're priorities are up-side down and the reason for the pre-Nuptial agreement. Marriage as God intended is for keeps and its more than the physical...sex is not the reason why people get married although it plays a major role in the marriage. In as much as you're not a church goer, my prayer is that God will help you see the bigger picture where marriage/relationship is concerned. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Simiyu wrote: > > To all, > > Why are you people seeing impossiblities.Let me clarify some things. > > 1.I did not say the lady should have Kshs 3 million in cash or bank > but assets worth 3M(My total net assets are 4M(Net of debts) > These ar my specifications. > 1.I dont take life seriously > 2.AM slighlty heavy drinker > 3.Age-25 yrs > 4.High Sex drive and believes sex is the reason people get married > 5.Non church goer > 6.Likes cracking jokes and am very funny > 7.Self employed > > @ Robin, > > Sijakosa lugha.Wenye napata ni Gold diggers and try leaving life they > cant afford > > @ Janet and carole > > Why do you think there is no such woman on this forum or in kenya > > @ Kimani, > Am sure there is one with all those qualities if not a cross breed > from all the kenyan tribes > @Phylis. > I did not specify the 3 m net assets so that i can feast on them mine > assets are over by 1m of the minimum assets required > @ Dorreyn > Am not stressing anybody.Infcat am promoting the so called equality > @celestine, > My eyes are wide open that is why i dont want somebody who will Feast > on my hard earned wealth(If she has 3 m,then she will understand the > pain of loosing it to someone else who has not struggled to get it > through divorce) > @Mercy, > Am original and if you need prove i can patent the above > qualifications with KIPI > @Sarah, > What makes you think that a woman at the age of 21 or 24 cannot make > it in life(Unless she is dumb) > > @Judy. > I believe this is the right forum,I have tried lonely columns and i > get tricksters and fraudsters > > N/B am Not lonely is just that i need a wife > > Still Waiting eagerly. > SS > > And last qualification. > > She should be ready to sign a pre-Nuptial agreement. > > > > On Mar 12, 1:11 pm, Carole Abiero wrote: > > HEHEHEHEHHE Mercy thts true, Mwambie!!!!! > > > > Carol Abiero > > > > -------------------- > > > > Carramore International Ltd > > > > P O Box 11778-00100 > > > > NAIROBI > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, mercy kivanda wrote: > > From: mercy kivanda > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:13 AM > > > > Hey Simiyu, > > Please be original,i saw this somewhere,seem to 4get where, though you > have just changed a few things here and there,lets not cut and paste,tell us > really what YOU want,and not what another person wrote.Sorry. > > > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Simiyu wrote: > > > > From: Simiyu > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Looking for A wife > > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:09 AM > > > > Specifications. > > > > 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. > > 2).Should be employed or self employed. > > 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) > > 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business > > 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) > > 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To > > join me or start her own business) > > 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old > > 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue > > 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive > > ethnicity > > 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added > > advantage) > > 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need > > somebody who can help me start going to church) > > 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of > > person > > 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed > > to the maximum while we are still alive. > > 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married > > > > If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my > > email > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joashmalawa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 03:31:56 2009 From: joashmalawa at yahoo.com (Joash Malawa) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: POLITICS IN KENYA...... In-Reply-To: <995445.80129.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <341708.92096.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hallo bwana Okelo, Thanx for your positive sentiments i strongly support your views on Ruto Uhuru thing.By the way,it cant yield anything if not going far and we need not to worry of any of them.If anything,then the preliminary reports gave it out that both are Hague materials and i dont think any thinking Kenyan could bring them back on board. Lets follow them keenly. ? Malawa. S.Sudan. --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Julius Okelo wrote: From: Julius Okelo Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: POLITICS IN KENYA...... To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:02 PM Kenya needs a real change. Uhuru/Ruto alliance is change and does not insinuate change in any way means or form. While the anti-kenya crusade will not stop until they see this country bogged down by such a suggestion that Uhuru forms an alliance with Ruto, to get Kalenjin votes because let us face it...do you think Uhuru, being a kikuyu will be ready to serve under Ruto? and will the Kalenjin voters switch camp from ODM to support Uhuru..a project that failed in 2000 and blackmailed them in 2007 by financing hooligans and criminals to kill the very Kalenjins? Ruto should tread carefully by these destructive romours and put a stop to them. My take is that PLO, Mati or Githongo, while they may have succeeded in what they have done in the past, may not be good political leaders and this may be their downside. The right leader is among the ordinary Kenyans presently. That person could currently be a school teacher, a doctor, a lawyer, a business owner, an civil rights activist who knows. We need to vet our leaders more carefully while the time is available. Let us avoid euphoric applause to suggested leaders.. ? peace --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Mohamed Jiwa wrote: From: Mohamed Jiwa Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: POLITICS IN KENYA...... To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:18 PM Media are the most corrupt of all and the most sinful. Uhuru/ Ruto is a patent outcome of an oooooold trick.? Noone will ever know who is and who isn't a real Moi boy.? All politics is a red herring from the real deal which is the exercise of bringing the people's voice together help start a new constitution. 2009/3/11 Carole Abiero Josiah, i think PLO is the best candidate so to speak ama??? Carol --- On Wed, 3/11/09, OJ wrote: From: OJ Subject: [YP_Ke] POLITICS IN KENYA...... To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:08 AM YPs_Ke Hallo good members. I love the politics of Kenya and Kenyan themselves. I think sometimes the media is also run out of stories, they divert and instead of playing their rightful role of informing, educating as well as voicing the voiceless majority...they out monetary gains ahead of their sacred duties mentioned earlier. They have tried much when they started talking of diverted politics...that our politicians are wasting time politicking at the expense of real issues.....hunger, food insecurity and infrastructure development, rising costs of living - fuel and food. The Ruto - Uhuru alliance has since diverted the good course the media started to fight....highlighting the bad culture of our leaders and their reluctance to attend to electorate needs. How does this benefit us as Kenyans....if the said alliance goes ahead..then am sure Kenya will become the most hopeless of all countries in Africa! For sure we know the 2002 grouping.....Uhuru and Ruto were in KANU....together! What will their getting together bring to us! The same to any other old guard who will solicit for our votes in 2012.....I find no one fit to have my vote save may be Githongo, Mati, PLO, etc.... My take, Josiah -- G ?Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I hold so much respect for women but tonight watching some program on t.v dedicated to women,i was disappointed in one Esther Pasaris,what did she say,i actually switched to ktn to watch my program-jacob's cross that i was missing so much. Esther Pasaris, you are no where near an intelligent woman,you are just an expensive woman-yes i agree,a gold digger,disrespectful and arrogant woman. Kwani EP thinks,hatujui historia yake! She needs some moral lessons and how she needs to express herself before people,i noticed men booed her,and ladies didnt like her either. Omg,i wasted another 20 mins watching what i trash. Am out. -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From Scott.Holloman at dep.state.nj.us Thu Mar 12 11:39:35 2009 From: Scott.Holloman at dep.state.nj.us (Scott Holloman) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:39:35 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] Please pray Message-ID: i think i fornd a new quarter master candidate (H J fyi) Just want to tell everyone that I am so grateful to have each of you in my life. I pray you all have a blessed day. It was difficult for me to decide who I thought would DO this because many people claim to pray, but not everyone does. I hope I choose the right twelve. Please send this back to me. (You'll see why). May everyone who received this message be blessed. There are 12 months/ 12 disciples/ 12 tribes of Israel / Jesus' birth celebrated in the 12th month. There is nothing attached. Just send this to twelve others. Prayer is one of the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost, just a lot of reward. Make sure you pray, and pray believing God will answer. May today be all you need it to be. May the Peace of God and the freshness of the Holy Spirit rest in your thoughts, rule in your dreams tonight, and conquer all your fears. May God manifest himself today in ways you have never experienced. May your joys be fulfilled, your dreams be closer, and your prayers be answered. I pray that faith enters a new height for you; I pray that your territory is enlarged. I pray for peace, healing, health, happiness, prosperity, joy, true and undying love for God. Now send this to 12 people within 5 minutes and remember to send this back.... I count as 2, you'll see why. Suggestion: copy and paste rather than forward. May God's Grace and Mercy be poured out upon you today! From kilanguni at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 11:04:12 2009 From: kilanguni at gmail.com (Mundia Kamau) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] Cover-up at Barclays Bank of Kenya Message-ID: A warm welcome to http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com Read about the recklessness, mismanagement, abuse, excesses, victimisation, negligence and ineptitude that led to the collapse of Barclays Advisory and Registrar Services Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of Barclays Bank of Kenya Limited. Read about how top executives of Barclays in Kenya, South Africa and the United Kingdom knew about the badly deteriorating situation at Barclays Advisory and Registrar Services Limited, but did nothing about it. Also read about a lengthy saga on massive cross-border stock market fraud, involving Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Ethiopia, South Africa, the United Kingdom and possibly, the United States of America, which contributed to the collapse of Barclays Advisory and Registrar Services Limited, which has also been covered-up and which also remains unresolved Take a look also, at other material of public interest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joashmalawa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 03:48:42 2009 From: joashmalawa at yahoo.com (Joash Malawa) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo is Sick In-Reply-To: <440414.63558.qm@web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <723234.49462.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kudos Owinga,thats true. Politicians like Mutula have been dreaming to be in August house for northing.There is no value he i adding to heal this country.If anything,we were better off with-out this kind of staffs. I sometimes wonder which government Mutula has been refering to yet they brought all these mess coz of tribal outfit.Were it not for their tribe,they could have not pushed Kivuitu to mess up this beutiful nation.For Gods' sake,no one is pulling out for mutulas allies to fill the positions.We need to work towords uniting the country not on tribal line as we all saw in 2007 election. ? Malawa S.Sudan --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Murithi Magiri wrote: From: Murithi Magiri Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo is Sick To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:25 AM On my assessment there are people who are so passionate about their community leaders , i wonder whether they receive a pay check from them at the end of the month. Lets be realistic if Kibaki is the president or not, i will still need to sweat to eke out a living and so is every other Kenyan. And by the way i don't think there is anything wrong with a man calling a press conference to defend his family. He was within his democratic right. Lets not always look at the dark side of the picture. As young Kenyans we must struggle to get this tribe thing out of our minds. I say struggle because it ain't easy and it will take time but so be it. Blessings, Magiri ?To live means to suffer. In this world,? a degree of suffering is unavoidable? Buddha --- On Wed, 11/3/09, owinga bonfas wrote: From: owinga bonfas Subject: [YP_Ke] Mutula Kilonzo is Sick To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 1:16 PM Jayne Wachira we in this forum are not going to entertain lies juts because someone does not want to hear the truth. People like Mutula Kilonzo are used to political sycophancy just like Alfred Mutua and Moses Wetangula and that kind of behavior is killing this country,where a leader fights for his own stomach and not the people of Kenya. If Kibaki has failed as he has and made Kenya a failed state, we shall surely say that..If Mutula is misleading this country with such myopic and useless talk then we shall surely say it..If Alfred Mutua is misleading and misinforming this country,we shall surely point that out...this is a PROGRESSIVE FORUM..and a forum for pleasing anybody..We are a progressive youth who believe that with truth and forward thinking we cna help this country of ours.. Kenyans cannot demand results from a leader like Kibaki who will only call a press conference to talk about his family matters and not national hunger..not corruption..not constitutional review..not confusion in the coalition..not insecurity in the country..we shall not accept such negligence..we shall talk about it..You cannot demand results from a mouthy Minister like Mutula Kilonzo..Doesnt he know that ODM-Kenya was lst in december polls?..Lets be realistic..and pint out ills nomatter where the Minister hails from..we really dont care where they come from..what Kenyans want are straightforward leaders who serve the people and who lead from the front... --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: > From: Jayne Wachira > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Mutula Kilonzo > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:25 PM > We shouldnt take advantage of this forum to bring division. > Whether you > support ODM or whatever party, we have three more years to > go before we go > to ballot box or start hearing sentiments such as this.? We > should demand > results from our leaders but not who is the leader of what > and which party > has majority MPS. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, odhiambo okecth > wrote: > > >???*Mutula Kilonzo must be sick???6**th** March 2009* > > > > > > Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM > can take a walk, and > > they, PNU, can just appoint any other person to the > office of Prime > > Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila > had said that he does > > not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on > Raila again. Yes, ODM > > should take the walk if they so wish hakuna > kubembeleza, they should stop > > threatening the government of national unity. We are > tired...... > > > > > > Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when > Muthama was sent to > > antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila > has chosen to give > > Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as > Muthama was before > > him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And > Raila must not respond > > to them. > > > > I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua > was talking on behalf > > of Raila as well, Raila would know. Not Mutula. > Anyway, we will take this on > > another day. > > > > > > At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before > ODM came on board, > > there was a government in place, so there will still > be a government in > > place even if they packed and left. True, with or > without them, the > > government will continue to serve its people, nothing > stops. > > > > > > Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again > sent to go and read > > another press statement. And he read the same without > looking at the cameras > > even once. As usual, he was being used. Used by whom, > give circustancial > > evidence..... > > > > > > My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many > things. My take is with > > the two lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the > negotiation team. On the > > PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can > get it all that wrong, > > then I really pity them. interesting? > > > > > > After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted > like never before. This > > made the international community come on board to help > create peace. Many > > Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced. > Krieglar confirmed > > from his findings that he doesn't know who won and > both ODM and PNU were > > involved in stealing of election votes. > > > > > > It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it > seems like the two > > people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not > know why they went to > > the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the > process. What comes > > from their mouths makes me think so.? Am amazed by > your sentiments that > > these two top notch lawyers, very brilliant and > intelligent dont know what > > they are doing....... > > > > > > Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity. > Kenyans did not trust > > him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the > Nation Media told me > > off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum > campaign. I did support > > Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can > now see clearly what > > Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right. > Mutula Kilonzo is just > > Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi > do all sorts of things > > for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like > Daniel. Raila too > > supported Moi when he was promised to be endorsed as > the preferred candidate > > for KANu, what did he do after he realised that was > not bound to happen, he > > jumped ship. > > > > > > This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of > deceit. He made his > > money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship > conveniently to join the > > forces of liberation without believing in the cause. > He seems not to know > > that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki > has 43 MPs, while > > Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59 > MPs. ODM on its own has > > 99 MPs. So? > > > > > > When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki > and Kalonzo have, it > > comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected > MPs. When you add > > nominated MPs, the Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while > ODM alliance has 112 > > MPs. Issues of who have more MPS than the other got > burried in the sand > > almost two years ago, tell us what ODM have done for > the Kenyans since they > > are majority in parliament.? Selling of maize to > Sudan? > > > > > > These are facts well known to both Mutula and > Wetangula, and both of them > > are lawyers. I pity them. Interesting..... > > > > > > At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be > known as the > > National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that > the Prime Minister > > will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in > Parliament. It is a known > > fact that ODM is the single largest party in > Parliament. ODM has 99 elected > > MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19. ODM-K, [from > where Mutula gloats] has > > 16. The rest have one or two MPs. What are they doing > for the starving, > > jobless Kenyas with? majority MPs?????. > > > > > > Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple > things? Even if you > > want to kiss ass, Lets mind the language we use I bet > you need to do it > > honourably. Did you here Mutula give a budget of 33T > for Nairobi > > Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy is worth? > This is simple > > madness. What is our economy worth to get everyone > become middle income > > earner? > > > > > > You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of > ODM-K, or Chama cha > > Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must > be the person who leads > > the largest party in Parliament, and that person is > Raila, like it or not. > > That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula > signed. And they must be > > knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? We > know Raila is the PM > > but what Mapinduzi has ODM brought - to support > University students > > demonstrate? > > > > > > Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting > with many Kenyans, > > Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do > is to create an > > enabling environment for national healing and > reconciliation. Are you > > doing that when you send such a mail?You cannot > promote national healing > > and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the way > Mutula and Wetangula > > are doing. > > > > > > The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big > disservice by talking the way > > they are. How? Even if we are to show their masters > that they deserve the > > positions they have been given, they must take into > account the intelligence > > of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each > other, not more > > conflict. Ok.... > > > > > > This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who > lives in Nyeri. It > > endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in > Kabartonjo. It makes life > > difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in > eternal peace as brothers > > and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are > spoiling for President > > Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in > history as the person who > > held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. Kibaki > stands to loose > > nothing after his term ends..... > > > > > > Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and > Wetangulas of this > > world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk > about with confidence > > into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be > easily lost. Dont we > > have ODM leaders who are corrupt? Why meantion PNU > leaders only............ > > > > > > If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack > Mutula and Wetangula > > for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest > counselors to the President, > > they have chosen to be auctioneers. So where do you > place Ruto? > > > > > > As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him. > Just like Muthama, > > Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing. > > > > > > Odhiambo T Oketch, > > > > Komarock Nairobi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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If he was buying a car or a computer i would understand but when looking for a life-long partner. Man, you are lost. "No man is an island,entire of itself... any man's death diminishes me,because i am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne. Meditation XVIII --- On Fri, 13/3/09, sue muchina wrote: From: sue muchina Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 13 March, 2009, 5:51 AM @ simiyu I dont think its an impossibility to get the wife of your choice...but in my view you're priorities are up-side down and the reason for the pre-Nuptial agreement. Marriage as God intended is for keeps and its more than the physical...sex is not the reason why people get married although it plays a major role in the marriage. In as much as you're not a church goer, my prayer is that God will help you see the bigger picture where marriage/relationship is concerned. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Simiyu wrote: To all, Why are you people seeing impossiblities.Let me clarify some things. 1.I did not say the lady should have Kshs 3 million in cash or bank but assets worth 3M(My total net assets are 4M(Net of debts) These ar my specifications. 1.I dont take life seriously 2.AM slighlty heavy drinker 3.Age-25 yrs 4.High Sex drive and believes sex is the reason people get married 5.Non church goer 6.Likes cracking jokes and am very funny 7.Self employed @ Robin, Sijakosa lugha.Wenye napata ni Gold diggers and try leaving life they cant afford @ Janet and carole Why do you think there is no such woman on this forum or in kenya @ Kimani, Am sure there is one with all those qualities if not a cross breed from all the kenyan tribes @Phylis. I did not specify the 3 m net assets so that i can feast on them ?mine assets are over by 1m of the minimum assets required @ Dorreyn Am not stressing anybody.Infcat am promoting the so called equality @celestine, My eyes are wide open that is why i dont want somebody ?who will Feast on my hard earned wealth(If she has 3 m,then she will understand the pain of loosing it to someone else who has not struggled to get it through divorce) @Mercy, Am original and if you need prove i can patent the above qualifications with KIPI @Sarah, What makes you think that a woman at the age of 21 or 24 cannot make it in life(Unless she is dumb) @Judy. I believe this is the right forum,I have tried lonely columns and i get tricksters and fraudsters N/B am Not lonely is just that i need a wife Still Waiting eagerly. SS And last qualification. She should be ready to sign a pre-Nuptial agreement. On Mar 12, 1:11?pm, Carole Abiero wrote: > HEHEHEHEHHE Mercy thts true, Mwambie!!!!! > > Carol Abiero > > -------------------- > > Carramore International Ltd > > P O Box 11778-00100 > > NAIROBI > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, mercy kivanda wrote: > From: mercy kivanda > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Looking for A wife > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:13 AM > > Hey Simiyu, > Please be original,i saw this somewhere,seem to 4get where,?though?you have?just changed a few things here and there,lets not cut and paste,tell us really what YOU want,and not what another person wrote.Sorry. > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Simiyu wrote: > > From: Simiyu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Looking for A wife > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:09 AM > > Specifications. > > 1.)She should be kenyan modern though traditional at the same time. > 2).Should be employed or self employed. > 3.)Should have a net asset wealth of Kshs 3Million(Sitaki Kupe) > 4).She should be able to assist in running of my Business > 5).Ready to give births to two Children(With immediate effect) > 6).If working she should be willing to retire at teh age of 30 yrs(To > join me or start her own business) > 7.)Should be aged between 21-24 yrs old > 8).Fluent In English ,swahili and her mother tongue > 9.)Should be proud of her tribe and be ready to promote poitive > ethnicity > 10)She should not be a heavy drink(Non drinkers have an added > advantage) > 11) She should be church going(Though i dont go to church,Need > somebody who can help me start going to church) > 12) she should be lively,funny and be ready to accept the same kind of > person > 15) A lady who believes that Life is too short and should be enjoyed > to the maximum while we are still alive. > 16)Believes that sex is the reason people get married > > If you meet the above requirements or think can meet them reply to my > email --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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Keen Nyamwange (IL) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Nyachae Ondimu wrote: From: Nyachae Ondimu Subject: [Mwanyagetinge] Another Death- Andrew Karani ~A community in mourning To: mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com Cc: africa-oped at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:01 PM It is with great sadness and regret that I announce the death of Andrew Karani of Woodbury, Minnesota.? Andrew recently immigrated to the US this winter (Feb 3rd 2009) after winning the 2008 Diversity Lottery visa. Originally from Lakipia Kenya, Andrew was a guest of Dr David Menge, his college classmate and friend at both JKUAT and the University of Nairobi. ? On winning the Diversity lottery Andrew Karani contacted Dr Menge to assist him relocate.? Dr Menge quickly made all arrangements to have him relocate and was in the process of helping him settle in the USA. Andrew Karani arrived and was received by Dr Menge in the Twin Cities on February 3rd 2009 (6 weeks ago) ? Yesterday, Wednesday, Mar 11 2009, Andrew was very jovial and spent most of his morning on the internet browsing for jobs. Later in the evening he went to his room to relax. At dinner time Dr. Menge? s wife ?asked her children to get Andrew from his room to join them for dinner. Andrew did not respond to the knock at his door. Around that time Dr. Menge arrived from work, tried to call his friend Andrew for Dinner with no response. When Dr. Menge stepped into Andrew?s room, he found him lying motionless on his bed, face down. He immediately called the paramedics and Woodbury police. After a few preliminary tests, the pronounced Andrew dead. ? We now have four deaths. All bodies are lying at different mortuaries around the twin cities. These are tough times for the Kenyan Community in Minnesota. Tough times require tough and extraordinary responses. ? I am calling upon all Kenyans and friends of Kenya to remain calm and pull together like never before. ? 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But the eagle alone avoids the rain by flying above the clouds" --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Peter muriithi wrote: > From: Peter muriithi > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: recruiting agency > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 2:58 PM > skillsgeographic > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Esther Ruhara > wrote: > > > try personnel resources > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, marion nzisha > wrote: > > > >> > >> hi > >> people am looking for a genuine recruiting agency > , get in touch please > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Esther > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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It was my dear wife! She wanted me to go and pick her from work? "Why?" I wondered! "Is this a test of love all what?" May be it was! But I was made to understand that our son-Daniel, had taken her car during the day! "So, why can't Daniel come and pick you up?" I asked my wife in away that left no doubts that she was asking too from me! Well, as already indicated, it was a bad day in Minnesota! The weather was nasty! I had made it home with difficulties! So my wife didn't want our son to drive! Makes sense! But how would I say no to my wife and in view of the fact that I am a pastor who is supposed to live that which I preach! Once in my car, my wife found everything wrong, and as usual, she started lecturing me! But perhaps the most interesting one, was a bottle of mountain dew! "Omwanchi(darling,) I have always told you that such drinks are not good for your health!" she started off. "I don't understand why you guys (meaning me and our two boys,) are always taking such drinks" she added! I did not utter a word, which of course added to her frustration! Here is why? -I had nothing to do with the bottle. I also found it there a day after the boys had used my car! -Although the level read, "mountain dew," the bottle carried water! -I was tired and not in the mood to start any late hour war of words -I knew without any doubts that I was innocent It wasn't until the next day and at a convenient time that I told my wife the truth about the bottle! Do you want to know her reaction? I leave that to you to figure out. But here is the lesson! -Many are the times that we read too much into things that do not exist. As a matter of fact this is what causes lots of misunderstanding among friends, family members, and church members -We are quick to judge even when we have no facts It reminds me of a story that one of my professors once told us-theology students. In this particular church, one elder lived a lone in an isolated area. His family was at another town! One day, some of the elders, came and told the pastor that elder so and so should not continue with his position as an elder! "Why?" wondered the pastor! "Because for the last one week, he had been living with a woman who was not his wife!" they answered, with great confidence! And so as "a good shepherd," the pastor informed the elder that he wanted to have a talk with him! On the day of their appointment, the pastor started, "Elder....I want you to know how much we have appreciated your work as an elder." "Thank you pastor," the elder answered. "However, I am sorry to let you know that you will not continue any more!" said the pastor! " Why? asked the elder in great shock? "Because you are living with another woman! Aren't you?" asked the pastor! "Yes!" said the elder! "But guess what? This is my youngest sister! She is on break from school and decided to come and visit me!" said the elder! Well, can you imagine the embarrassment! Listen, before you judge anybody or read too much into things, think again! You may be digging your own grave without knowing! Doesn't the Bible warn us to be careful how we judge others? (Mathew 7:1-5.) Anyway,let us be careful how we arrive at such conclusions! Shall we? Just a thought! Pr Birai From josiah.ogalo at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 09:30:39 2009 From: josiah.ogalo at gmail.com (josiah ogalo) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:30:39 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Esideri Batsaris! In-Reply-To: <907766.99707.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <907766.99707.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181c75910903130630p640b3c51r2328cd212399c995@mail.gmail.com> Frank, Hey you gotta learn to live with some people in the society.....she finds that as the only means of describing herself....her self worth comes from portraying that nature. Personally I don't believe that being a Kikuyu makes one have the ability to do business and succeed naturally! That is a lie.....if you desire to succeed in whatever field in life regardless of tribe, you will always get ahead if you put in effort and apply yourself fully to achieve your dream! Regards Josiah Ogalo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM, clare imbuhilla wrote: > > > LMAO! > > Franklyne Terewa wrote: > > YPs, i salute you good people. I hold so much respect for women but > > tonight watching some program on t.v dedicated to women,i was > > disappointed in one Esther Pasaris,what did she say,i actually > > switched to ktn to watch my program-jacob's cross that i was missing > > so much. Esther Pasaris, you are no where near an intelligent > > woman,you are just an expensive woman-yes i agree,a gold > > digger,disrespectful and arrogant woman. Kwani EP thinks,hatujui > > historia yake! She needs some moral lessons and how she needs to > > express herself before people,i noticed men booed her,and ladies didnt > > like her either. Omg,i wasted another 20 mins watching what i trash. > > Am out. > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > Regards; > > Myself at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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At the same time more than 400 Kenyan fishermen who were last week ejected out of the disputed Migingo Island in Lake Victoria by Ugandan marine police are reported be facing serious starvation. The fishermen and their families have ever since been putting g up with the relatives in the villages around Muhuru Bay town on Kenya?s mainland. are reported to be facing serious starvation.. Leaders from Muhuru Division in Nyatike District said the families were now being supported by relatives and friends who appeared to have also run out of food grains. A civic leader in the area Mt Thomas Makamba appealed to the government of KMenya and th humanitarian organization to help the starving families. They claim, they lost fishing gears, fish, money and household when they were ordered expelled by Ugandan police last week for having refused to sign temporary immigration document insisting their unwillingness to do so due to the fact that Migingo is on the Kenyan side of the Lake Victoria.. And in Nairobi Kenya?s top military chief yesterday dismissed the disputed fishing island as ? non issue and a minor misunderstanding to be resolved peacefully, and which does not require military intervention at all.. Lt Gen Jeremiah Kianga, the Chief of the General Staff (CGS) had said that the on-going territorial dispute between Kenya and Uganda over the one acre rocky fishing island in Lake Victoria is an issue for map makers to iron out not the sufficient ground for the two country to go full blast for convectional war.. ?This is non issue as far as defense is concerned .It is a minor misunderstanding that can be settled quietly,? said the General adding ?These are issues for topographers (map marker} General Kianga comment come in the wake of pressure mounting on the Kenya army to repulse and eject Ugandan soldiers out of the disputed island. . It also came amid fresh report that more Uganda troops have dramatically landed on the Island which is surrounded by fishing waters, and hoisted their country?s national flag and have since imposed certain stringent condition requiring immigration documents from Kenya fishermen working on the Island and fish traders visiting it provoking MPs representing the affected areas to call for military response. The Thursday afternoon rare news conference by the top army chief in Kenya represented a significant step for the normally secretive military and was in response to negative publicity it has received in regard to its recent conduct of operations in Mt Elgon in Western Province where it was accused of torturing and unlawfully executing villages when mopping up rebellious militia group. On terrorist the top Kenya military man said no Kenya soldier have crossed the border as claimed by the Somalia based el Shabaab an al Qaeda linked radical Somali militia group The Kenya top most soldier was speaking at the defense head quarter{DOD} in what looked like the first ever scheduled press conference between a Kenya Chief of the General Staff and journalist. He was accompanied by the Vice CGS Lt Gen Julius Karangi . The Director of military intelligence Brigadier Philip Kameru also attended the rare news conference. And as the delegation of five cabinet Ministers left yesterday for the tasks the Kenya government position is clear that the disputed fishing island belong to Kenya. Observers,however. says the Kampala meeting puts to test the diplomatic and legal prowess of the team led by the Foreign Affairs Minister Moses Wetangula. The other members of the Kenyan delegation includes Immigration Minister Otieno Kajwang?, Internal Security Minister Prof George Saitoti, Lands Minister James Aggrey Orengo, Minister for East Africa Affairs Joseph Kingi. The negotiation between the two countries is expected to be the toughest as the Kenya?s team consist of well three well accomplished lawyers, Before departure for Kampala Lands Minister James Orengo was quoted as saying ?the constitution and order causes of the two countries recognizes the fact that Migingo belong to Kenya.? If the talks are handled well an amicable position may be reached, but if they fail the dispute has a potential to foil relations between Kenya and the land locked Uganda a country that relies on her neighbours for its essential supplies, exports and imports.. ?There is no need to militarize the issue we have other avenue to address?, Minister Orengo said. Migingo Island is located 15 Km of the mainland Migori district in south western Kenya, but it covers a distant of 250 km from the nearby by Ugandan Bugiri district in the country eastern region. Local politicians and MPs from the affected regions along the eastern shore of Lake Victoria have urged the government of Kenya to apply economic sanction against land-locked Uganda including military blockaded of its exports and import from accessing outside world market through the Kenyan the ports of Mombasa. To force the belligerent Kampala regime out of the Kenyan fishing island it had seized Meanwhile the chairman of Parliamentary and defense committees had accused Uganda of expansionism. Adnan Keyan also blamed the Kenya government for laxity and inconsistency urging the delegation not to go to Kampala since that would be a waste of time and money.. .But from the Ugandan side, the Minister of State for International Relations Henry Okello Oryema was last night quoted by the Radio Uganda and media houses as saying the Ministers would be signing that both sides have agreed to open up using coordinator. Report from Migori and Gwassi in Suba districts, which are located along the shorelines of Lake Victoria as saying that Ugandan marine police have now extended their day and night patrol and of all to fish landing beaches deep into Kenya. The reports says Ugandan were all over the beaches bordering Migingo. They are taking the advantage of the absence of Kenya. It is like they have the country lake Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com Fri Mar 13 10:20:26 2009 From: Anthony.Wangondu at dayliff.com (Anthony Wangondu) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:20:26 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: <642056.32632.qm@web39507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <642056.32632.qm@web39507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from half loaf? What is this about 6 provinces? Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be wary and aware. If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your analysis of what he stands for! -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not only Luo Nyanza. 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out of the eight provinces he won in the last election. 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they never shy away from pointing anything they think is not right. Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and that's why they always stick with him. Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to Kenyans an alternative. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau wrote: > From: Mundia Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Leo Odera Omolo > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN > NYANZA LUOS? > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF GOVERNMENT?S > PLUM JOBS > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater Southern > Nyanza region says > that tension is building up between the supporter of the > Prime Minister > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional caucus. > > It has been revealed that the professionals and academician > s from the > region have of late been holding behind the scene > consultative meetings in > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way forward > on how the > residents can free and separated themselves from the Odinga > ?s family > influence. > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > government?s plum jobs, > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the effort > to revive the > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > Breweries Kisumu plant , > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > The group, according to impeccable source have been holding > secret meetings > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even in the > lakeside City of > Kisumu. > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > academicians and some > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > forward to build > another centre of power gravitation inside Luo-Nyanza, > which is devoid of > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with any > group of Kenyan > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > relations for mutual > benefits of Kenyans. > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to pressurize > any government of > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into three > Provinces., that > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > together in one > administrative Province with its headquarters in Kisii > town, and the third > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, Homa-Bay, > Nyatike, Migori, > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed headquarters > in either > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild of the > late Hezekiah N > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary in-charge of > Provincial > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed the > power devolution > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new Province > covering Southern > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii town. > > However, years later during the Constitutional dispensation > conference held > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the proposal > was vehemently > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as an > attempt to divide > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge basket > for his own > political mileage and control.But the proponents of the > idea felt that the > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > beneficial to the > region because it will attract more government funding. > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > revisited the idea once > again. > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in Nyanza and > that there is > the need for the region?s residents to built several new > centre of power to > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza regions. > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that of > the Minister for > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > Rongo, the Immigration > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and that of > the youthful > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant Minister > for Internal > Security. > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a party > many Luos believed to > have masterminded the community?s marginalization and > political suppression > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo Kenyatta > and the retired > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that the > Minister has > matured up politically and can take the mantled of the > overall community > leadership. > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too childish > and not a serious > person worth trusting with the responsibility of leading > the Luo to a higher > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen as an > achiever and a > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > hitherto backward > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > development. > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving loyalty > to Raila Odinga. > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed the > Ministerial > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in 2005 > in solidarity > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > allocation and > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand coalition > government shared > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the Prime > Minister Raila > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant Minister > instead of the > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno Kajwang? > who got away with > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate comment. > He said to be > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > governmental or > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever since > the formation of > the grand coalition, though he is said to be extremely > loyal to his friend > the Prime Minister. > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out clean, is > the allegations > that he had interfered with the new appointment of the > joint officiasl > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > Companies, and allegedly > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure of > the two joint > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich Bett. > The two have been > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for the > last four years, > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have gone for > months without > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani closed > down a couple of > years ago. > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > brother-in-law to Dr. > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who is > also an Assistant > Minister for Finance. > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently released > ten tractors, > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza Province for > the purpose of > improving agricultural activities in the region. Raila > released the tractors > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other agriculturally > rich regions where > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving food > production in > the region.. > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be secretly > backing the > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern region > from those from > Bondo and Siaya. > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > having taken bold > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted from > the controversial > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the same > time being accused > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue for > the resuscitation > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the improvement > of the fishing > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > Minister for lack of > total commitment in the real task of poverty eradication. > Instead, the PM is > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > worshipping and > sycophancy. > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be routing > for the communal > harmonization between the Luos as and the neighbouring > communities > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at the > same time blaming > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > politics of hatred.. > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said to be > reaching their > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. Several > night meeting are > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and Nairobi. > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker reportedly > denounced the > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in Luo > circumcised as one > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that such > trivialities > should not be the priority of the person holding such > covenanted position of > Premier to handle. > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > community?s priority. There > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with his Luo > parliamentary > colleagues. > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war between > Raila and > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. The > professionals are > also against loose talking such as the recent call by Dr. > Oburu Oginga on > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign over > the maize > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full of > arrogance and as > such misplaced.. > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the bad > habit of rushing > to the press on every single issue in this country..They > must learn to be > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated comments > on contentious > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at all > cost. > > We were not able to establish the names of the professional > and politicians > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila Odinga > from the Southern > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings have > taken place in > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > criticized Raila for > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith and kin > from Bondo and > Siaya. > > Ends > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > -- > A warm welcome to > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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To: "terewawf at gmail.com" Cc: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 4:28 AM LMAO! Franklyne Terewa wrote: > YPs, i salute you good people. I hold so much respect for women but > tonight watching some program on t.v dedicated to women,i was > disappointed in one Esther Pasaris,what did she say,i actually > switched to ktn to watch my program-jacob's cross that i was missing > so much. Esther Pasaris, you are no where near an intelligent > woman,you are just an expensive woman-yes i agree,a gold > digger,disrespectful and arrogant woman. Kwani EP thinks,hatujui > historia yake! She needs some moral lessons and how she needs to > express herself before people,i noticed men booed her,and ladies didnt > like her either. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <642056.32632.qm@web39507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not only Luo Nyanza. 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out of the eight provinces he won in the last election. 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they never shy away from pointing anything they think is not right. Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and that's why they always stick with him. Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to Kenyans an alternative. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau wrote: > From: Mundia Kamau > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Leo Odera Omolo > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN > NYANZA LUOS? > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF GOVERNMENT?S > PLUM JOBS > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater Southern > Nyanza region says > that tension is building up between the supporter of the > Prime Minister > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional caucus. > > It has been revealed that the professionals and academician > s from the > region have of late been holding behind the scene > consultative meetings in > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way forward > on how the > residents can free and separated themselves from the Odinga > ?s family > influence. > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > government?s plum jobs, > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the effort > to revive the > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > Breweries Kisumu plant , > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > The group, according to impeccable source have been holding > secret meetings > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even in the > lakeside City of > Kisumu. > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > academicians and some > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > forward to build > another centre of power gravitation inside Luo-Nyanza, > which is devoid of > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with any > group of Kenyan > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > relations for mutual > benefits of Kenyans. > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to pressurize > any government of > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into three > Provinces., that > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > together in one > administrative Province with its headquarters in Kisii > town, and the third > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, Homa-Bay, > Nyatike, Migori, > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed headquarters > in either > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild of the > late Hezekiah N > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary in-charge of > Provincial > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed the > power devolution > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new Province > covering Southern > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii town. > > However, years later during the Constitutional dispensation > conference held > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the proposal > was vehemently > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as an > attempt to divide > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge basket > for his own > political mileage and control.But the proponents of the > idea felt that the > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > beneficial to the > region because it will attract more government funding. > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > revisited the idea once > again. > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in Nyanza and > that there is > the need for the region?s residents to built several new > centre of power to > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza regions. > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that of > the Minister for > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > Rongo, the Immigration > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and that of > the youthful > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant Minister > for Internal > Security. > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a party > many Luos believed to > have masterminded the community?s marginalization and > political suppression > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo Kenyatta > and the retired > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that the > Minister has > matured up politically and can take the mantled of the > overall community > leadership. > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too childish > and not a serious > person worth trusting with the responsibility of leading > the Luo to a higher > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen as an > achiever and a > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > hitherto backward > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > development. > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving loyalty > to Raila Odinga. > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed the > Ministerial > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in 2005 > in solidarity > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > allocation and > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand coalition > government shared > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the Prime > Minister Raila > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant Minister > instead of the > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno Kajwang? > who got away with > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate comment. > He said to be > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > governmental or > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever since > the formation of > the grand coalition, though he is said to be extremely > loyal to his friend > the Prime Minister. > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out clean, is > the allegations > that he had interfered with the new appointment of the > joint officiasl > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > Companies, and allegedly > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure of > the two joint > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich Bett. > The two have been > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for the > last four years, > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have gone for > months without > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani closed > down a couple of > years ago. > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > brother-in-law to Dr. > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who is > also an Assistant > Minister for Finance. > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently released > ten tractors, > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza Province for > the purpose of > improving agricultural activities in the region. Raila > released the tractors > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other agriculturally > rich regions where > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving food > production in > the region.. > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be secretly > backing the > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern region > from those from > Bondo and Siaya. > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > having taken bold > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted from > the controversial > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the same > time being accused > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue for > the resuscitation > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the improvement > of the fishing > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > Minister for lack of > total commitment in the real task of poverty eradication. > Instead, the PM is > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > worshipping and > sycophancy. > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be routing > for the communal > harmonization between the Luos as and the neighbouring > communities > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at the > same time blaming > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > politics of hatred.. > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said to be > reaching their > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. Several > night meeting are > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and Nairobi. > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker reportedly > denounced the > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in Luo > circumcised as one > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that such > trivialities > should not be the priority of the person holding such > covenanted position of > Premier to handle. > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > community?s priority. There > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with his Luo > parliamentary > colleagues. > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war between > Raila and > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. The > professionals are > also against loose talking such as the recent call by Dr. > Oburu Oginga on > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign over > the maize > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full of > arrogance and as > such misplaced.. > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the bad > habit of rushing > to the press on every single issue in this country..They > must learn to be > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated comments > on contentious > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at all > cost. > > We were not able to establish the names of the professional > and politicians > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila Odinga > from the Southern > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings have > taken place in > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > criticized Raila for > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith and kin > from Bondo and > Siaya. > > Ends > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > -- > A warm welcome to > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Where can I get info about them? _____ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Celestine Wesonga Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:36 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: HOUSE / APARTMENT FOR RENT (Winnie) Wa-ciru, Check at Langata NHC off langata road just along the southern bypass. There are nice 3 bed roomed at 25k a month ample parking & good security, as you think of the good advice our friends are offering, coz I bet you are in need. Hope this can assist. I will forward you the site office No's. if interested. _____ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Mburu Sent: 10 March 2009 13:39 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: HOUSE / APARTMENT FOR RENT (Winnie) I also think in this day and age, it is cheaper to pay rent than to pay mortgage. I think if you can muscle half the amount for a new house (by saving, investments etc) then you can take a mortgage on the other half and buy/build your house... but if you are taking a mortgage for the whole amount of the cost of the house... its a big mistake i think... it will only tie you down to employment and ofcourse.. the Bank. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:11 PM, steve ogeda wrote: If you can afford 30k for rent take a mortgage.the secret is borrow long to give you breathing space but pay short.consider having paid this amount in rent for two years.thats sh720000.have you saved as much to buy aor build a house?and how much more do you have to pay to build or buy one now?more so you have lost out on sh300000 mortgage relief from the taxman(sh12500 per month).what is the total amount you have lost?in addition to that owner occupier is higher than the house allowance you are receiving.find out how much you have lost from your employer on this then do the maths and decide whats more expensive rent or mortgage. --- On Tue, 10/3/09, James mwenda wrote: From: James mwenda Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: HOUSE / APARTMENT FOR RENT (Winnie) To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009, 11:57 AM This is now quite interesting. One says "good advice" and the other says "avoid it like plaugue". Do we have investment advisers/consultants in this forum who can more light on mortage thing? James Mwenda. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:42 AM, subaru wrx > wrote: Just a warning to u guys,avoid mortgages like plague!! i mean it --- On Tue, 3/10/09, winnie > wrote: From: winnie > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: HOUSE / APARTMENT FOR RENT (Winnie) To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:33 AM Wa - Ciru, i agree completely!!! Am still looking for that house. Where are the guys in real estate in this forum? _____ From: Wa Ciru > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:44:10 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] HOUSE / APARTMENT FOR RENT (Winnie) Morning, Get a mortgage or work out a cheap loan to get a house. It doesn't make financial sense to spend 30k on rent. .............. Wa-Ciru Am looking for the above in like 2wks time, 2-3 bedroom, price range 25-30k, location south b/c, langata, ngong rd, westlands, ...... your assistance will be highly appreciated. Cheers!!! -- "This e-mail is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy, distribute,disclose or use the information it contains. Please e-mail the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. E-mails are susceptible to corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment; I do not accept liability for any such changes, or for their consequences." ________________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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Kamau, http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Leo Odera Omolo wrote: > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF GOVERNMENT?S PLUM JOBS > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater Southern Nyanza region says > that tension is building up between the supporter of the Prime Minister > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional caucus. > > It has been revealed that the professionals and academician s from the > region have of late been holding behind the scene consultative meetings in > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way forward on how the > residents can free and separated themselves from the Odinga ?s family > influence. > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the government?s plum jobs, > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the effort to revive the > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya Breweries Kisumu plant , > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > The group, according to impeccable source have been holding secret meetings > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even in the lakeside City of > Kisumu. > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, academicians and some > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way forward to build > another centre of power gravitation inside Luo-Nyanza, which is devoid of > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with any group of Kenyan > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal relations for mutual > benefits of Kenyans. > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to pressurize any government > of the day to split the present Nyanza Province into three Provinces., that > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped together in one > administrative Province with its headquarters in Kisii town, and the third > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, Homa-Bay, Nyatike, Migori, > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed headquarters in either > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild of the late Hezekiah N > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary in-charge of Provincial > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed the power devolution > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new Province covering Southern > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii town. > > However, years later during the Constitutional dispensation conference held > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the proposal was vehemently > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as an attempt to divide > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge basket for his own > political mileage and control.But the proponents of the idea felt that the > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be beneficial to the > region because it will attract more government funding. > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now revisited the idea > once again. > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in Nyanza and that there is > the need for the region?s residents to built several new centre of power to > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza regions. > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that of the Minister for > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for Rongo, the Immigration > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and that of the youthful > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant Minister for Internal > Security. > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a party many Luos believed > to have masterminded the community?s marginalization and political > suppression by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo Kenyatta and > the retired President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that the > Minister has matured up politically and can take the mantled of the overall > community leadership. > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too childish and not a serious > person worth trusting with the responsibility of leading the Luo to a higher > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen as an achiever and a > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his hitherto backward > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic development. > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving loyalty to Raila > Odinga. Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed the > Ministerial appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in 2005 in > solidarity with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the allocation and > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand coalition government shared > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the Prime Minister Raila > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant Minister instead of the > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno Kajwang? who got away with > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate comment. He said to be > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any governmental or > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever since the formation of > the grand coalition, though he is said to be extremely loyal to his friend > the Prime Minister. > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out clean, is the allegations > that he had interfered with the new appointment of the joint officiasl > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar Companies, and allegedly > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure of the two joint > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich Bett. The two have been > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for the last four years, > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have gone for months without > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani closed down a couple of > years ago. > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a brother-in-law to Dr. > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who is also an Assistant > Minister for Finance. > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently released ten tractors, > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza Province for the purpose of > improving agricultural activities in the region. Raila released the tractors > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other agriculturally rich regions where > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving food production in > the region.. > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be secretly backing the > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern region from those from > Bondo and Siaya. > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for having taken bold > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted from the controversial > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the same time being accused > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue for the resuscitation > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the improvement of the fishing > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime Minister for lack of > total commitment in the real task of poverty eradication. Instead, the PM is > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero worshipping and > sycophancy. > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be routing for the > communal harmonization between the Luos as and the neighbouring communities > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at the same time blaming > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting politics of hatred.. > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said to be reaching their > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. Several night meeting are > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and Nairobi. > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker reportedly denounced the > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in Luo circumcised as one > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that such trivialities > should not be the priority of the person holding such covenanted position of > Premier to handle. > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the community?s priority. There > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with his Luo parliamentary > colleagues. > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war between Raila and > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. The professionals are > also against loose talking such as the recent call by Dr. Oburu Oginga on > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign over the maize > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full of arrogance and as > such misplaced.. > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the bad habit of rushing > to the press on every single issue in this country..They must learn to be > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated comments on contentious > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at all cost. > > We were not able to establish the names of the professional and politicians > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila Odinga from the Southern > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings have taken place in > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly criticized Raila for > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith and kin from Bondo and > Siaya. > > Ends > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > -- A warm welcome to http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 06:14:26 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Congratulations to the Kenyan media Message-ID: <202112.89657.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We must congratulate the Kenyan Press for coming together to mobilize Kenyans to help our fellow citizens who have been worstly afflicted by hunger. The drive by the FM Radio Stations come hotly on the heels of the Mountain of Food Initiative by the Nation Media Group, and the one recently launched by The Standard Group. This is really motivating. The success of these initiatives prove that Kenyans love and do care for each other. On behalf of Komarocks Community Development Network, I would like to thank our local media, fellow Kenyans and all friends of goodwill who have responded to these calls for support. It proves that we are all Kenyans and our plight is our collective responsibility. At KCDN, we are also putting in our two cents in support; http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com God bless the Kenyan Media, God bless KCDN and God bless Kenya. Odhiambo T Oketch CEO KCDN Nairobi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keen Nyamwange (Illinois) ? ? ? ? ?A person who has even a speck of Jesus? fire burning within will set the local Church membership also burning with the fire of Christ. A Church that has a fire burning within will set a Jesus inferno in the neighborhood. And a community that is on fire will set the city on fire. The whole country goes a blaze following this chain of events. By convection and radiation and conduction and induction and fusion and infusion, the heat love of God will be transmitted from medium to medium?. Quote by Keen Nyamwange. --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Keen Nyamwange wrote: From: Keen Nyamwange Subject: Douglas Aming'a To: "Oped Africa" , "Talkback Forum" , "Mwanyagetinge Group" , "Jaluo Jaluo" , "Publiceyesite Jambo" , "KACA KACA" , "Mwamogusii Mwamogusii" , "Mwananchi Mwananchi" Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 9:56 AM I have very very important papers that were mailed to my address by mistake.? Douglas or whoever knows him, please contact me immediately. ? 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URL: From sales at transatlantictimes.com Sat Mar 14 05:52:06 2009 From: sales at transatlantictimes.com (sales at transatlantictimes.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:52:06 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] AIR AMBULANCE YOU CAN AFFORD ON TTIMES Message-ID: <20090314025206.68c9700c7f76f95853a86dbf4cdc8861.257f88c8c6.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 08:07:11 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Keeping Mr Hubby in check! Message-ID: <391253.30084.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was so busy scanning their merchandise, when another customer squeezed herself through making her way to another register! The husband said something to the other customer that I did not hear! "Were you mean to her also?," asked the wife with great concern! As if she knew that I wanted to know more, she added, "my hubby is usually so mean to people, and so, I must keep him in check!" I was indeed touched by what she said and wondered about its implications! It used to be that parents kept their children in check, but as things stand, there are both wives and husbands that need to be monitored on what they say and do! Why so? You see, things like relationships take along time to form but only seconds to destroy for sometime, if not for ever! Besides, if one is not careful about what they say or do, they will alienate many and thus find themselves alone and isolated! So it really boils down to this! Since you know what kind of material your husband/wife is made of, and that which he or she is capable of doing to cause drama, you may as this lady, do everything possible, but in love and patience to keep your hubby or wife in check! Will you please? Just a thought! Pr Birai From johnmasya at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 01:33:13 2009 From: johnmasya at gmail.com (John Mutunga) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:33:13 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] OBITUARY OF COMMON SENSE Message-ID: <000001c9a466$68c992b0$3a5cb810$@com> Today the New York Times carried a front-page article titled, "Obama Calls for 'Common Sense' on Executive Pay" - to which Robert Hensler responded (An Obituary printed in the London Times - Interesting and sadly rather true): Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; and - Maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault. Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement. Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason. He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers: I Know My Rights I Want It Now Someone Else Is To Blame I'm A Victim Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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In-Reply-To: <199488.16995.qm@web45412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <199488.16995.qm@web45412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rose,why to spouses cheat other than getting that icing,is it coz one is not man/woman enough or what? On 3/14/09, ROSE WAHOME wrote: > Odhiambo, > ?????? You have a point there. Having kids with a man doesnt make him man > enough. I believe that there is more to a good man than just sex.. What if > something happens to him and he can no longer 'perform'? Would that be > reason enough to pack? Sex is just like icing is to a cake!!! > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, "Remorque" wrote: > > From: "Remorque" > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Esideri Batsaris! > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 9:55 AM > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Andrew Mwangi wrote: > > > Clare, > > I think this woman is stupid. How can she say she has never found a man > enough an yet she has kids. > @Andrew, > > Let me ask something and I'll call a spade a spade: Does the fact that she > slept with a man and got kids make the man "man enough"? > > Perhaps we should ask her what she means by "being man enough" before we > start criticizing? > > Ladies - when is a man "man enough" for your needs? Is it sex alone? > > > -- > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a > baby." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards; Myself at gmail.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Sat March 21st Healer Messiah update!(directions attached) The time is neigh and we would want to keep you posted. 1.The Concert will be at the Essex ball?room at Hilton, Newark Penn-Station. There are restaurants and eateries on the hallway connecting Hilton to the Penn-Station and other buildings. So grab a taco or something. 2.Concert starts at 3pm sharp with guest ministers curtain raising. Please, please, don't attempt? to be late. We advice everyone to be at the venue by 2:30pm because of Garage parking, and the overall hustle of driving in the city. 3. All Mothers rejoice! FREE Day care services available. Be sure to pack food, drinks, diapers and wipes for your little ones. 4.Parking tickets will be $5.00 but please be sure to have them validated otherwise you will pay $10.00. Details will be announced at the concert. Carry cash. 5. Wear anything orange, red or yellow (not obligatory). Come with hankies, neck shawls, flags, preferably red in color and wave them about as we have a Holy Ghost party! 6. Healer Messiah CD: $15.00 a copy. Trust me, it's worth every dollar! Thanks for your support Nick, Event planner. 609-271-9227 healermessiah at yahoo.com GiantSheep.com O come ye faithful! http://www.giantsheep.com ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Gladly Serving, Dolly Ocholla Secretary KCFA NJ The Kenya Christian Fellowship in America (NJ chapter), is a non denominational fellowship that meets every first Sunday of the month @ 4:00- 6:00 p.m. in Elizabeth. Please call (848) 467-6522), visit www.kcfa.net or e-mail kcfanj2004 at yahoo.com for more information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35647 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to Matthew 5:4, Blessed are those who mourn for they will be?comforted. ?Also in Acts 12, Peter was comforted and encouraged by the church that was praying for him. Please, let us show an act of compassion by financially supporting, visiting, praying and comforting Mrs.Muturi on Sunday March 15th, 2009 at 5pm.? ? Address: 1244 Wilshire Dr. ?????????????Union NJ, 07083 ? Mary's House number: 908-624-1582; ??????????????????????? Cell:908-416-0281 ? Yours in His service ? Tabitha Wamakima ? ? Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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East African States have not integrated into one country to form one big market and break all trade barriers to spur development and competitiveness in highly globalised world whereas our youngprofessionals can be given a chance to initiate the changes in East Africa,the government is fighting for their fish...kenyan fish,uganda fish etc ? is this the way forward for our East africa?????? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnnykamau2003 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 19:18:19 2009 From: johnnykamau2003 at yahoo.com (John Kamau) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] New constitution Message-ID: <87923.17098.qm@web50610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To all? the Elite,? and Kenyans in General, I read the Kenyan news papers as well as watch several local and international news? about Kenya on electronic media, I call Kenya several times a day. Some of you who know of the American Economic rat race will ask me how a manage?all?this.?To set your minds at ease, am self employed and can talk as I drive and watch and listen to the news as I work in my private office. I pray that the level of debate that is so often demonstrated by most of the contributors in this forum will move a notch higher as I introduce what in my opinion is the only choice left for Kenya? if we are to ever lift the lives of our people from their current dire poverty,?raught upon them by unprecedented? poor leaders ship since independence. Like i have repeatedly stated in this forum Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, Karua Kalonzo, THAT other guy/ lady, you or me are not Going to save Kenya. The International community through the likes of Annan nor the Election of Obama in the US will not save Kenya. Kenya will be saved from its current Political and? social Economic crises?through; A) Repentance and fervent prayers by all of us who know God. B) A new constitution designed for the people by the people. A constitution designed to govern all the people by creating strong structures of governance which shall not be Manipulated by a person , group of persons;? no matter what status such people shall posses. Is there a way we particularly the young professionals can speak in one Voice NOW?;? ask Kibaki and Raila to STOP EVERYTHING else and Give Kenya anew Constitution NOW. The? country is? seating on a time bomb and all we here and see from this two is Alignment and realignment for 2012. We want a New Constitution Now. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sonndegwa at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 15 01:51:06 2009 From: sonndegwa at yahoo.co.uk (nelly muthoni) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Appreciating Each other! References: <748567.25557.qm@web57416.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <396662.5669.qm@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <971956.32442.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> this is indeed a blessing am blesd ________________________________ From: terry ndirangu To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009 9:35:32 Subject: [YP_Ke] Appreciating Each other! Dear all, It has been good hearing all the opinions flowing from different people. We have quite intelligent people in Kenya and its a great asset for this country. This is a brand new day that God has given us yet again through His mercies. Once in a while we lose someone who we really love or admire and usually a great void is left in our heart, we sometimes feel helpless coz that person is no more. My point is, when these people are alive, or are close to us, do we appreciate them? Do we tell them how valuable they are to us? Let us appreciate each other while we still live. Show an act of kindness to somebody. It could be your spouse, your boss, your child, a workmate, your house girl, tell them today what they mean to you. It could be someone on this forum who has been a blessing to you even though you have never met, when you appreciate someone, it brings out the best in them and the bad that might be there is overshadowed. It increases the value of that person. If someone has wronged you, forgive them, be the first to approach them, you will feel so much lighter! If you wronged somebody, go to them, ask them for forgiveness, pride and arrogance are our own greatest enemies, they will make you miss an opportunity. Let us not say, 'I wish i had told him/her, or i wish i could have done it....' You have today to make amends, tomorrow may not be yours. Do the right thing, even if it is not what people expect of you! Go for it! Have a blessed day. Shalom! Terry --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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Name: powerphplist.png Type: image/png Size: 2408 bytes Desc: not available URL: From suemuigai at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 03:24:44 2009 From: suemuigai at gmail.com (Suzanne Muigai) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:24:44 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Esideri Batsaris! In-Reply-To: References: <199488.16995.qm@web45412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79a0d8220903150024m583810cak1a773dcd27f6f16d@mail.gmail.com> Rose i disagree. Sex is The Cake and The Icing! Lol On 3/14/09, Franklyne Terewa wrote: > > Rose,why to spouses cheat other than getting that icing,is it coz one > is not man/woman enough or what? > > On 3/14/09, ROSE WAHOME wrote: >> Odhiambo, >> ?????? You have a point there. Having kids with a man doesnt make him man >> enough. I believe that there is more to a good man than just sex.. What if >> something happens to him and he can no longer 'perform'? Would that be >> reason enough to pack? Sex is just like icing is to a cake!!! >> >> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, "Remorque" wrote: >> >> From: "Remorque" >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Esideri Batsaris! >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 9:55 AM >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Andrew Mwangi >> wrote: >> >> >> Clare, >> >> I think this woman is stupid. How can she say she has never found a man >> enough an yet she has kids. >> @Andrew, >> >> Let me ask something and I'll call a spade a spade: Does the fact that she >> slept with a man and got kids make the man "man enough"? >> >> Perhaps we should ask her what she means by "being man enough" before we >> start criticizing? >> >> Ladies - when is a man "man enough" for your needs? Is it sex alone? >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Regards; > > Myself at gmail.com > > > > -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 08:12:47 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] The cost of free counseling/advice! Message-ID: <645776.42008.qm@web38707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let us start with that which we know! Shall we? -Each one of us is capable of making some kind of decision -Once we have made a decision, we expect others to approve it -Each one of us has got some kind of ego that we don't want to be disturbed However, -It so happens that some of the decisions we arrive at are made without a second thought -More often than not,others don't approve of our decisions. Why not? -Because some decisions are usually influenced by outside sources -It's possible that on arriving at such a decision, you based it on one side of the coin -It's possible that there are things that others see that you don't see because you are blind in many ways than you realize. -Some are known to have made decisions that they have lived to regret And because of these factors, those who love you from time to time step in and try to help you see some sense? And who are those! -Your family members-parents/siblings spent hours praying for you and trying to help you see the consequences of your decision -Your friends who happen to know your weaknesses step in and try to inject some kind of reasoning into your stubborn mind -Your pastor using his/her training come in to not only pray for you, but to request you to change course -Your husband/wife try to help you see that without any doubts, you are headed South But, because you are so right, at least as far as you are concerned, you decide to do one or all of the the following: -Cut communication with your family members -Hate the pastor and either start going to another church or stop going to church all together -Start living an isolated life -Continue being abusive and talking all kinds of nonsense -You continue with your path of destruction by continuing to dig your own grave What's sad though, is that those who love you dearly, such as:Parents, Siblings,Spouse, Pastor, and Friends, are left with no option but to step aside but continue praying for you. Moreover, you turn your anger to the people who are innocent and are trying to help you by offering free counseling/advice! In the end, you are the looser big time! Well, if you come to appoint where you think/feel that others are saying is nothing but foolishness and that you alone you know what you are doing, it might help to listen to one more voice, if you can-the voice of your Creator that tenderly calls, "Let us reason together----," Isaiah 1:18. Will you? Just a thought Pr Birai From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 06:44:45 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] POLICE COMMISSIONER AND KACC ASKED TO INTERVENE TO END MASSIVE CORRUPTION BY POLICE IN AWENDO TOWN AS MATATU TAXIS ISSUE A THREAT TO DOWN THEIR TOOLS. Message-ID: <953832.70827.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> POLICE COMMISSIONER AND KACC ASKED TO INTERVENE TO END MASSIVE CORRUPTION BY POLICE IN AWENDO TOWN AS MATATU TAXIS ISSUE A THREAT TO DOWN THEIR TOOLS. Investigative Report By Leo Odera Omolo In Awendo Town. The traffic police is reported to have gone high technique in a small farming town of Awendo district where they have now devised new oblique technique of using a civilian as a conduit in collection of o bribe money on their behalf from motorists and motorbike taxis. And the Matatu tax owners are now up in arms threatening to withdraw their vehicles from the roads in Awendo and its environs. Matatu owners operating passengers vehicles plying the roads to Mariwa, Ranen, Maroo, Uriri,and other outlets. Each of the operators is required to pay Kshs 100, and there are close to 100 such vehicles plus taxis. This means that the police are minting close to Kshs 10,000 on every market day under this scheme of illegal levies and bribery.. It is being alleged that the police areb using one civilian man whose name was only given as Oyombe who is collecting money from the motorist on their behalf.The man is said to walks with a list of all the vehicles operating in Awendo and its environs. Failure to pay this man couild end up in ones vehicle being towed away by police, and such vehicle could only be released on a payment of Kshs 3000. The Matatu operators and taxi cabs in Awendo town have now appealed to the relevant authorities to come to their rescue and investigate as to whose interests is this civilian serves. The spokesman of the Awendo Matatu operators, who pleaded with this reporter that his name should remain in total anonymity said the situation is increasingly becoming more pathetic, because the Matatu men are not making much money on these routes, and whatever they earn in a day is all going to the police through their conduit Oyombe. . ?We sre law abiding and loyal citins of this country., and as such must not be subjected to such draconian kind of police treatment.. We are paying out taxes and even taxes for our vehicles, but this kind of harassment is becoming too much for us. We need someone somewhere to come out and intervene,? said the Matatu spokesman. They said the police posted to man the routes are no longer asking for ther bribe as they get their cut from the illegal collection of bribery by their civilian power brokers. The reason why we believe this man is working for the police is that when one of us refused to pay the daily levy of 100/= the man?s vehicle is seized and impounded within hours, and to have such a vehicle released the owner is required to part with much heavier penalty of Kshs 3000/- . One Matatu operator who had suffered under this scheme said Kenyan policemen are well paid to protect b thre citizens. But in Awendo, they are paid by the government to fleece poor Matatu operator of their hard earned money. Unless someone come to our assistance, we shall have no other alternative, but to take our vehicle out of the road and paralyzed the transport system of this busy farming town of Awendo, said one of the operators. Ends Leooderaomolo at yahoo.com . From prcanb at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 23:26:00 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] My little sunshine! Message-ID: <148169.9225.qm@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On arrival at my place of work today, I was greeted,"Hi my little sunshine!" I assumed that I did not hear anything and went a head to do my work. For the next five hours at my assigned register, I found myself thinking of the many temptations that we face daily and the best way to overcome them! To avoid misleading others or ourselves, one, some, or all the following might apply! Check them out! -Some of us might need to stop hearing sweet words -Some of us might need to stop calling or receiving from certain numbers -Some of us might need to stop giving or receiving hugs from some people -Some of us might need to stop hanging around at some places or with some people -Some of us might need to be careful what movies we watch or what music we listen to -Some of us might need to be careful what clothes/perfume we wear -Some of us might need to be careful how we talk/smile/laugh -Some of us might need to be careful who we give a ride to or receive one from -Some of us need to know what kind of jokes we involve ourselves in -Some of us need to know what books we read -All of us must learn to depend on the Lord daily for wisdom and understanding in all that we do! Shall we? Just a thought! Pr Birai From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 11:42:55 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Solution is to Dismantle Police force & Put its Leadership behind bars awaiting Charges Message-ID: <187955.78510.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Folks, ? The Police and the Mungiki with diverse interests supporting different leaders (those in power) have many faces focusing?to 2012, both are trying to get the other out of race by lethal force and threats.? Each and everyone is trying to outdo the other through blame game come 2012.? Both the Police and Mungiki are in quagmire.??They are soon turning Kenya to a battlefield. To them, it is better Kenya go cheotic than democracy and the rule of law take effect.? Then the Sovereignty of Kenya remains in the hands of the winning rebel group. ? This is why, the likes of Barrack Muluka wants Koffie and Annan out of Kenya, so they resolve their own issues?ati Annan should leave Kenya alone and go back to Geneva, ati Kenya is a Sovereign Country.........Sovereign what??????? We are not stupid...... ? Thanks, ? ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/ (Click and enjoy African Heritage Music) ? ? Residents? ordeal under police and Mungiki terror Updated 18 hr(s) 4 min(s) ago Related Stories Meeting to mend coalition cracks cancelled The proscribed Mungiki sect made good its threat to paralyse public transport in Nairobi and major towns in Central Prov NGO bosses shot dead amid Mungiki sect mayhem VP dismisses UN report on police killings By Standard on Saturday Team Josephine Wanjiku (not her real name) believes she knows her husband?s killers but she dare not say a word. Two years ago, a suspected Mungiki gang killed her husband and his head was found near his home in Kahuro village, Murang?a South District. "We know them and the gang leaders but no one in the village can dare identify them," says Wanjiku. The re-emergence of the sect in parts of Central Province has sent a new wave of panic. Picture this: A man is beheaded on his way to church and body thrown into a river; a tout is killed and body dumped in a church compound; and an elderly man is killed outside his house as his wife watches. Suspected Mungiki sect members sniff tobacco in a show of defiance.Police have responded with equal zeal, dragging suspected Mungiki members from their hideouts and reportedly shooting them dead. In Kahuro, shopping centres that used to bubble with business are almost deserted. Young men left villages in droves for fear of police crackdown. Locals are torn between supporting police and complying with the sect rules. Mungiki attacks appear calculated to cause maximum fear. When they killed Wanjiku?s husband, they perched his head on a stick by the roadside. His torso was mutilated and limbs and private parts were severed from the body. "My husband left the house at around 6pm to deliver milk to the nearby shopping centre but never came back," says Wanjiku. Self-imposed curfews Another victim was beheaded and his head left in a chicken coop, just a few metres from a chief?s camp. Villagers are always alert for it is never known when the killer gang will strike next. "We live in fear. Even now, we fear speaking to you. There is self-imposed curfew," says a shopkeeper at Kianjogu market in Murang?a. But as the families lament the loss of their kin in the hands of Mungiki, relatives of suspected sect members reportedly killed by the police are also crying for justice. For instance, Mr Irungu Macharia?s son, Julius Kiunjuri, was shot dead by police on suspicion of taking part in the beheadings. Macharia claims police executed his son in cold blood, having traced him in Nairobi. They later took him to his Kahithe village where they shot him dead: "They claimed he was the ring leader of the murderous sect and that he was a dangerous criminal," says Macharia. "Police even destroyed one of my houses and beat me up when they came looking for him," says the 50-year-old man. A few months after Kahuro killings, residents claim police executed about 30 young men in Gikui village, Kangema, for allegedly taking part in illegal oathing. For instance, the family of Michael Kamau is crying foul over what they term police execution of their son. "We were shocked to find his body dumped near the trading centre. People claimed he belonged to Mungiki," says one of Kamau?s relative. "If people are suspected to have committed a crime, they ought to face the law," he adds. Jane Njeri does not understand why her family was targeted. She also lost her husband in a suspected Mungiki killing. When her 12-year-old son ran into the house to inform her people were being hacked to death in the neighbourhood two years ago, she brushed him off. Harrowing tales Little did she know her family would be next. Later in the night, she received news the headless body of her husband was lying a few metres from the compound. The killings were rampant in several villages in Murang?a and other parts of Central Province. Njeri told her harrowing story to UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Prof Philip Alston. This was a day after suspected Mungiki sect members paralysed transport in several towns across the country. "I am surprised he is castigating the police without taking into account our sorrows. The man did not listen to our story," says Njeri. However, residents are not taking it lying down. In Ihithe village, Kiharu, locals have formed vigilante groups. "Every homestead contributes Sh50 every month to facilitate the vigilantes since we don?t want a repeat of what happened," says a resident. ? 1. On Saturday March 14, 2009, 6:53 AM , Carter John, Kenya wrote: ? Pole my fellow Kenyan. Am sorry but I would propose these pple to be gunned down and be completely eliminated. I agree that the police should take the suspects to face the law but themselves dont take pple to the law but take the law in their hands I think its time, a hand for a hand and an eye for an eye let the community assist the forces to wipe those youths out. ? 2. On Saturday March 14, 2009, 4:21 AM , John, Kenya wrote: ? I am not surprised at the story. I have gone through some of the daring misfortunes in the hands of Mungiki. When the first kidnapped me and forced me in to taking their oath, life after that was terrible. I can not recount how many times I escaped the beheading after the forced oath but the next thing I knew, I had left Kenya. I am now self-exiled in an abroad country. ? ?Standard? editor to attend Geneva talks Published on 28/02/2009 Related Stories Raila calls for independent probe We have waited long for clergymen who love Kenya By Standard on Saturday Reporter The Standard Group News Editor Ben Agina has been invited to join the Grand Coalition Government partners President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga in Geneva for talks organised by Kofi Annan Foundation. The meeting, "The Kenya National Dialogue and Reconciliation: One Year Later", will also be attended by Panel of Eminent African Personalities led by former UN chief Kofi Annan, former Tanzania President Benjamin Mkapa and former Mozambique and South Africa First Lady Graca Machel between March 30 and 31. Also invited are Kenya National Dialogue and Reconciliation team comprising Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi and Cabinet ministers Martha Karua, Mutula Kilonzo, Moses Wetangula, Sam Ongeri, James Orengo, William Ruto and Sally Kosgei The Geneva meeting will focus on Agenda Four, which was supposed to institute long-term solutions to avoid future post-poll chaos. It was also to address the thorny issues of land reforms, the stalled constitutional review, fight against graft and impunity, among others. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbatec at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 09:49:09 2009 From: jbatec at yahoo.com (Judy Miriga) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] The Guilty are Afraid they ran Before they are Chased....... Message-ID: <910571.49704.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Folks, ? Hague is the Answer........? The Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohorts wants to identify and gun down (eliminate) to silence those with evidence like they did to GPO and collegue recently when Tribunal is set-up locally in the Country, with an excuse?of silver lining that Kenya is a sovereign country.? They will run but will not hide, it is just a matter of time.? Dont be fooled people..... get them to face Hague........They want to be in control of the surrounding to manipulate and intimidate the process to suit their own outfit interests. ? If you catch a criminal lethal thief, you must be extremely careful lest they turn and harm you.? Remember, they are ferocious.......dont give them a chance if Kenya want realistic change and peace in the country.?Change is Transformation?which is equall to?Revolution.? Those in their comfort zones will not accommodate it, they will fight viciously tooth and nail.?We already know everything about them even their strategic planning and connections with expectant results to change majority course of thinking and destruction, all?retrieved from their secret hideout forum.? Moi has given it a long range shot too.? That too we know.? Watch your relatives and those close to you........ ... because....they are desparately reaching out to silence people....... we know it.... all those who are being used...........? Watch out it is not?secret anymore.? People are connected and have been sent out?to damage, but we have damage control.........? ? Barack Muluka, your statement here sounds like someone?terrified and frustrated. Unfortunately, the reality and the truth of the matter is black and white, face it.? Signs of the times are on the wall.? We are all grateful to Koffi Annan and team for intervention.? When you begin an assignment you have to complete it.?That is what Koffi?Annan is doing.? He has achieved so much with the scheme?to abandon it now, is foolshardy.? His intentions were meant?for good, you need to blame your Mt. Kenya Mafia people whose selfishness and greed?are bringing?Kenya tambling down?on its knees.? Yes it is true they stole the votes and occupied the stronghold seats in the government.? Raila in the course of muddled events got to a?confused state only to realized they are using him to spice their awkwardness.? Raila was just trying to hold the country together in a messy situation, that too is clearly understood.? Ofcourse everyone have their own weaknesses and no one is perfect, he has his share of blame too, but as for?now, our biggest enemy number one are the GEMA Mt. Kenya Mafia and cohorts, and not Koffi Annan.? Get your facts right and Call a spade a spade.? Why are you running away from the reality?? Koffi Annan is not coward, he?stepped in to save a situation and God is with him because God is mightier and will not let innocent lives perish because of a few selfish characters. ? Thanks, ? Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson & Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com/? (click the link and enjoy the Heritage music) ? ? We can jeer and even sneer at Annan today, but 2012 ain?t far ? Updated 14 hr(s) 53 min(s) ago Related Stories We can jeer and even sneer at Annan today, but 2012 ain?t far Forget The Hague, Special Tribunal is Kenya?s best option The worst lies ahead of us Why post-election violence trials should be in Kenya Barrack Muluka Receive greetings from the land of the ungrateful, Dear Mzee Kofi Annan. I hear that you were in the country to wish us well and to find out what good we have come to, since the time you left us baying for each other?s ethnic blood. You remember how you arrived here last year just in the nick of time, as they say? We had just messed up our elections and were trading blame here, there, everywhere; looking for someone to murder if need be. And we killed quite a few, in the process. In the mid of our most ambitious and successful rowdiness, you sat down the two big guns and advised them to share power and to begin institutional reform, Annan. They emerged from your talks calling themselves ?the two principals?, having agreed to share power equally. There was also a junior principal, otherwise known as the Vice President, who went around the place for some time shadowboxing with the principal called the Prime Minister. But all that has come to pass. Now the critical thing is real eating, Annan. The Government you helped us to cobble has been doing this thing, eating as best as an inefficient African government can be expected to eat. You know that African governments were never about providing leadership and service. You are aware that African governments are a gravy train. Usually the winner gets it all, with his men and women. But we are trying to get used to the idea that two mutually belligerent sets of African eaters can partake on the same gravy train. It has not been easy for us, Annan. It is difficult to eat with your adversary. We are used to eating alone and saying, ?It is our turn to eat.? Then the eaters go on the rampage. They loot and eat the place clean. Everyone else only looks on and complains. They vilify the eaters. They call them a brood of tribal serpents. They promise the country heaven, should they ascend to the royal seat of eating. In fact, that was exactly what caused trouble last year. A new team of eaters arrived. But the old team would not leave. They bared their sharp teeth and gnarled, red-eyed, like angry canines. Food, saliva, and all dripped from their mouths. The other side, hungry, gnarled even louder. And now you, Annan, you caused them to have half a loaf of bones each. We are not too happy with you. That could partly explain why some of us are not keen to meet you, here, or in Geneva ?or wherever we may meet? ? you see what I mean? Besides, we hear that you have a deadly envelope full of anthrax. They have said that Mr Philip Waki gave you the envelope with big names and that you want to give it to the dreaded Louis Moreno Ocampo of The Hague so that he can sort us out. Ehee-hee, Annan. Even you. Do you think we are foolish? What was this thing about you inviting our guys to Geneva? Ati Geneva? Do you think we do not know that Geneva and The Hague are two sides of the same coin? We are aware that they are in the same country and that you are just trying some wicked tricks, to get us to Geneva so that the dreaded Ocampo can arrest us and drag us to The Hague. Ehee-hee, Annan. And when your Geneva tricks have failed, you come here with your Hague police, pretending that you have just come to greet us. You think we don?t know that you just wanted to arrest our principals and fly with them to Geneva and thereafter take them to The Hague? Mzee Kofi, please forget about meeting our guys; you and that Ocampo of yours. We are going to be furious like Mr Omar Hassan El Bashir of Sudan. If you want to jail us for anything, real or imaginary, you will have to declare our whole continent a jailhouse. That we do not mind. After all, why should you jail our big guys in the same kind of space that you jail a hen in? If you declare Africa to be a jail, we can be restricted here without troubling the civilised people of the world too much. And another thing, Annan, did you know that ODM is not enjoying her conjugal rights? As the matchmaker and chief priest who presided over this marriage you need to know this. The professors in ODM have complained that PNU is having serious issues with their libido. Either that or, to put it delicately, PNU has discovered a way of stroking themselves into happiness and satisfaction, the way some adolescents do, without the participation of ODM. Or maybe it?s just that ODM-Kenya has done in PNU? But is this not the same thing as self-indulgence by PNU at the expense of ODM? For PNU and ODM-Kenya increasingly look like two organs on the same creature. Anyway, Annan, stay away and well there in Geneva. We will tell you again after 2012 whether you should come for another wedding. A lot of courtship has begun, already. Possible couples are experimenting all over the place; trying each other out the way you try on shoes at the shoe shop. The junior Laibon will keep you posted. Adios from the land of the ungrateful. ? 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If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=f444b4&u=571798645&mid=2617a7G2214f475G0G8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amukhale at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 03:17:51 2009 From: amukhale at gmail.com (Florence Amukhale) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:17:51 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: FIBRE OPTIC CABLE: your comments pliz In-Reply-To: <181c75910903142339l7a041466q415b2ec172244021@mail.gmail.com> References: <181c75910903142339l7a041466q415b2ec172244021@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521c5be50903160017l7733ef7el1747932b683b8b72@mail.gmail.com> With the BPO industry coming up, cyber space can be used for call centres at fairly good rates. Most of the BPO companies shall be relieved by this since this has been a stumbling block to their growth. Florence. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM, josiah ogalo wrote: > > Vincento, > yeah man i think this is the next greatest thing to land on kenyan > soil,seaman cable. > All i expect is faster n efficient services in cyber n internet speed. > Many opportunities abound in IT/Telecom sector. For example cybers can > adopt the wireless tech strategy/where you just provide the space to > customers with laptops to come n browse,added with some extra > services.the era of fixed computer stations is slowly being faced out. > My take, > Josiah > > On 3/14/09, ram.vincento wrote: > > > > The fibre optic cable is in the kenyan soil.While we celebrate the > > landing i pose to think hard on the impact it is going to have on > > cybercafe business.Revenues have gone down and they will continue to > > do so as people shift to other cheaper ways of accessing the > > internet.I'm wondering what other options remain for the business > > owners before they are forced to pack and leave. > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Message-ID: <7b1c74720903150551r5917eb12y58ea64d51955cce4@mail.gmail.com> The behaviour of our so called Christian mps, their assimilation into the dirty tricks, conformity not to mention zips on their mouths, and I think even the VP who I am told was once a Christian union chairman, and I will not bother to verify that, can make one say that this Christian thing is impotent and perhaps the greatest deception ever. One does not need to be a rocket scientist, (I know not why the rocket scientist analogy is often used) to see that much evil has been wrought under the name christian. Yes its true that a tree is best known by its fruit. Yes the so called Christian mps have successfully succeeded in bringing about an occasion for ?people? to blaspheme the Christian thing. And what meaneth I by ?people?? Do I mean enlightened ones? Surely that is irrelevant at this moment. And is there a better substitute for this ?thing? seeing that humanity * needs* supernatural props to morality?. 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URL: From lordvickp at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 16:35:56 2009 From: lordvickp at yahoo.com (Lordvick Otieno) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Message-ID: <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT?S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > ?s family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government?s plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > > in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno > Kajwang? > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community?s priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > > criticized Raila for > > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith > and kin > > from Bondo and > > Siaya. > > > > Ends > > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > > > > > -- > > A warm welcome to > > > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 19:25:58 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] A disease called competition! Message-ID: <730576.11391.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No one is saying that competition is wrong! What I am suggesting, though, is that in an attempt to get that which others have attained/acquired, we more often than not, ignore some basic facts of life. Like which ones? -We forget to remind ourselves that we will by no means be like so and so in every aspect -We'll never be the same -Each one of us is good at something that usually is so different from others -We usually lack information on how so and so arrived at where he/she is. -Unfortunately, some of us use wrong methods in trying to catch up with others But wait a minute, is there such a thing as competition? Absolutely! Take a look at the following: -Every time I am driving at a posted speed, I have witnessed some drivers who seem to be out there trying to compete with everyone else. -There are individuals/families that are struggling so hard to be like other families -There are friends who are ever in stiff competition with their friends -There are spouses who are ever in competition with each other; competition on who drives what car, who makes how much, who gives orders/commands, who washes dishes, who does laundry, who makes the bed, who goes to buy grocery and the list goes on. -Is it safe at the houses that are called by the name of God? What do you think? There too there is always competition on who should occupy what position even though the truth of the matter is that there is no pay -How about places of work? There too there is always competition and should I add inner wrangles as to who should occupy what position. I can go on and on, but allow me to sum up by pointing out the end result of any ill motivated competition. -It almost always ends up in creating jealousy,enmity/ hatred/animosity -Occasionally, it ends up in killing -It has been the cause of divorce in some circles So then what's the solution? This is my take on it: -To be like the apostle Paul,"Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." (Philippians 4:11 -To allow the mind of Christ to be in us-Philippians 2:15 -To be like John, the baptist, who was will willing to decrease for Jesus to increase-John 3:30 -To be like the prophet Daniel, who gave all the credit to His God-Daniel 2:30 Its OK to "let the sky be the limit!" As a matter of fact, the good Lord wants His children to be the head and not the tail! The key here, though, is to let the good Lord be the focus of all that we think, plan, and do! "How best will this glorify my Lord?, " ought to be the constant challenge to anyone who loves He who gave it all for our sake! Hallelujah! Indeed, I am willing to take that challenge as I do all in my power to get rid of this dreadful disease! How about you? Just a thought! Pr Birai From owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com Sun Mar 15 20:15:34 2009 From: owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com (owner-thedishlist at treet.ctinetworks.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Jambo] The DISH Vol. 12 No 11 Message-ID: <20090316001534.EE621176911@treet.ctinetworks.com> Dot's Information Service Hotline "Unbossed and unbought news and information you can use" Visit The DISH online at www.thedish.org Vol. 12 No 11...Dedicated to the Dialogue on Race... 03-15-09 ******************************************************** Table of Contents 1. Venue for an Artist...Hunger...By Leslie Powell 2. Bit of History...Fred Shuttlesworth 3. Vertical Integration Run Amok...By John Burl Smith 4. Politics Y2K9...A Slow Hand of Help for Haiti...By John Burl Smith 5. Hood Notes...Monsanto's Dream Bill, HR 875 (Excerpt)...By Linn Cohen-Cole 6. News You Use...Historic Tour Riders 7. Disgruntled 8. Mailbox ************************************************************ Venue for an Artist Hunger By Leslie Powell They go to bed hungry more often than not, Their parents make do with whatever they've got. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich can be a treat, For hungry children roaming the street, Digging in garbage cans, looking for food, Feeling alone and in a depressed mood. Hungry at night, they can't get a good rest. The next day at school, they can't do their best. There's a problem here in the U.S.A. And in Third World countries, far away. We must support relief efforts and community food banks. Helping starving children will be enough thanks. We must band together, one and all To end world hunger, wherever it calls! About Me: Leslie Powell is an award winning poet who writes about national and world issues and spirituality. Leslie invites poets and others to join her in taking personal responsibility for creating a climate of tolerance and world peace. For more on this talented poet and causes on which she writes, visit http://peacepoem.sitesvp.com. Bit of History Fred Shuttlesworth Born Freddie Lee Robinson on March 18, 1922 in Mount Meigs, Alabama, Fred Shuttlesworth was raised in Birmingham. After graduating from Selma University (1951) and Alabama State College (1952), he served as pastor of Birmingham's Bethel Baptist Church (1953-1961). Shuttlesworth was Membership Chairman of the Alabama state chapter of the NAACP in 1956 when Alabama formally outlawed the organization from operating within the state. In May, 1956 Shuttlesworth and Ed Gardner established the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights (ACMHR) to continue the work of the outlawed organization. Locally funded, ACMHR used litigation and direct action to pursue its goals of equal rights and integration. ACMHR sued the City of Birmingham when authorities ignored its demand that the City hire black police officers. Similarly, following the US Supreme Court decision in December, 1956 declaring Montgomery bus segregation unconstitutional, Shuttlesworth announced the ACMHR would challenge segregation laws in Birmingham. On December 25, 1956, sixteen sticks of dynamite exploded under Shuttlesworth's bedroom window, heavily damaging the residence; Shuttlesworth somehow escaped unhurt. As Shuttleworth emerged from the wreckage, a police officer, who also belonged to the Ku Klux Klan, told him, "If I were you I'd get out of town as quick as I could." Shuttlesworth replied, "I wasn't saved to run." The following day Shuttlesworth led a group that integrated Birmingham's buses, and then sued after police arrested twenty-one passengers. His congregation built a new parsonage for him and posted sentries outside his home. In 1957 Shuttlesworth, along with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Ralph Abernathy, Rev. Joseph Lowery, Rev. T.J. Jemison, Rev. C.K. Steele, Rev. A.L.Davis and Bayard Rustin, founded the Southern Leadership Conference on Transportation and Nonviolent Integration, later renamed the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC). The organization adopted the motto, "Not one hair of one head of one person should be harmed," to underscore its commitment to nonviolence. Despite his combative, blunt-spoken and headstrong demeanor, which frequently antagonized his colleagues and opponents, Shuttlesworth embraced the nonviolence philosophy. However, he was not shy in asking King to take a more active role in leading the fight against segregation and warning that history would not look kindly on those who gave "flowery speeches" but did not act on them. Personally fearless, even as other committed activists were scared off or mystified by his willingness to accept the risk of death, Shuttlesworth vowed to "kill segregation or be killed by it." In 1957, when Shuttlesworth and his wife attempted to enroll their children in an all-white public school in Birmingham, a mob of Klansmen attacked them in the street; no police came to their rescue. Assailants beat him with chains and brass knuckles; someone stabbed his wife. The couple survived the attack. The attending physician expressed surprise that Shuttlesworth did not suffer a concussion; Shuttlesworth replied, "Doctor, the Lord knew I lived in a hard town, so he gave me a hard head." In 1958, Shuttlesworth survived another attempt on his life. A church member standing guard saw a bomb and quickly moved it to the street before it exploded. Having alienated some members of his congregation by devoting as much time as he did to the civil rights movement, at the expense of weddings, funerals and other ordinary church functions, Shuttlesworth moved to Cincinnati, Ohio (1961) to take up the pastorage of the Revelation Baptist Church. He remained intensely involved in the Birmingham struggle after moving to Cincinnati and frequently returned to help lead actions. Shuttlesworth participated in the sit-ins against segregated lunch counters in 1960 and took part in the Freedom Rides in 1961. In 1963, Shuttlesworth began a campaign to desegregate through mass demonstrations?what he called "Project C" (Confrontation). One of the 1963 demonstrations resulted in Shuttlesworth's conviction of parading without a permit from the City Commission. On appeals the case reached the US Supreme Court. In its 1969 decision in Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, the Court reversed the conviction, declaring the circumstances indicated that the parade permit was denied not to control traffic, as the state contended, but to censor ideas. Determined to force the city's authorities and business leaders to recalculate the cost of segregation, he was helped immeasurably by Eugene "Bull" Connor, the Commissioner of Public Safety and most powerful public official in Birmingham, who used Klan groups to heighten violence against blacks in the city. The televised images of Connor directing handlers of police dogs to attack unarmed demonstrators and firefighters using hoses to knock down children helped galvanize Congress into passing civil rights legislation in 1964 and 1965. In 1966, Shuttlesworth organized the Greater New Light Baptist Church and founded the Shuttlesworth Housing Foundation (1988) to assist families who might otherwise be unable to buy their own homes. Named President of the SCLC in August, 2004, he resigned later in the year, complaining that "deceit, mistrust and a lack of spiritual discipline and truth have eaten at the core of this once-hallowed organization." In January 2006, Shuttlesworth announced his retirement from the ministry. He delivered his final sermon on March 19, 2006 at the Greater New Light Baptist Church. He and his second wife, Sephira, moved to downtown Birmingham where he is receiving medical treatment. Father of four and pastor to many, he was the subject of a 1999 biography by Andrew M. Manis, A Fire you Can't Put Out: The Civil Rights Life of Birmingham's Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth. On July 16, 2008, the Birmingham, Alabama Airport Authority approved changing the name of the Birmingham International Airport in his honor. On October 27, 2008, the airport was officially renamed the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport. (Sources: www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk, http://en.wikipedia.org and www.aaregistry.com) Vertical Integration Run Amok by John Burl Smith The present international financial meltdown was precipitated by many things, but vertical integration exacerbated and amplified the range and breath of the damage. Deregulation of the financial industry allowed vertical integration to run amok. Banks, brokerage houses and insurance companies engaging in unrestrained acquisitions and mergers grew to where they are viewed as "too big to be allowed to fail." A vertically integrated business is one in which all stages of production, from acquisition to retail, are controlled by one company. An example is the oil industry, which finds and develops the wells, pumps and transports the oil then refines and sells various oil products. For oil, that may work well but such dominance in some industries can be disastrous. Case in point is food production, a very vital market, where vertical integration has run amok. This intrusion is seen as an even greater threat to world stability and survival than in financial matters. Concern over the predatory behavior of corporations that dominate agriculture and their attempts to corner the entire food chain from seeds to sales represent the next worldwide crisis. The Pesticide Action Network (PAN), a network of over 600 non-governmental organizations, institutions and individuals in over 90 countries, believes that the control of the manufacture and sales of agrichemical in the hands of a few large multinational corporations (MNCs) -- Syngenta, Bayer, Monsanto, BASF, Dow and DuPont which control 85 percent of the pesticide market, valued at $30 billion -- place the world's food supply at risk. The other side of the food coin reflects that three companies -- Cargill, Archer Daniels and Bunge -- control 90 per cent of the global grain trade, while DuPont and Monsanto dominate the global seed market. Eleven firms account for about half the world sales of seeds, of which a quarter are genetically engineered seeds. Monsanto, based in St. Louis, profits went up 44% last year, to $993 million, on $8.5 billion in revenue. Monsanto's shares, which closed at $104.81 on Dec. 5, increased 1,000%. Those fighting domination of the world's food chain by agrichemical and agribusiness multinational corporations with deep pockets recognize that vertical integration has allowed more aggressive and assertive marketing techniques, similar to what happened on Wall Street after deregulation. The world's challenge is to find ways to oppose the takeover of the entire food production cycle by MNCs using proprietary strains of DNA, the sale of seeds to farmers, and the distribution and retail sales of food products in supermarkets. As Javier Souza Casadinho of the Center for Studies on Appropriate Technologies in Argentina pointed out, "'Transnational corporations are buying up companies and contracting with food producers (farmers) which allow them to determine what is produced, how it is produced, for whom it is produced and at what price and quality." He went on, "Vertically integrated corporations can determine what kind of technology is used in food production, produce the inputs (seeds) that farmers need and facilitate genetically engineered crops. Globalization favors the multinationals and big corporations, and as markets become dominated by these giants, vertical integration destroys the free market by dictating profits and what is produced. Vertical integration also restructures the production process and leads to a mono-culture. Self-sufficient family farms and individual livelihoods are integrated into corporations through production and market arrangements, giving rise to increasing dependency among farmers for inputs from the larger corporations." "Currently, the world is watching the destruction of the genuine free market as farmers' markets, hawker centres, and night markets -- where everyone is on a level playing field -- are being driven out of the marketplace." According to Rafael Mariano, the national chairperson of the Kilusang Magbubukiding Pilipinas (KMP), a nationwide federation of Philippine organizations of peasants, small farmers and farm workers and subsistence fisher folk, "New strategies are needed to counter these changing power structures. Adapting sustainable organic farming systems is necessary to stop the dependence on transnationals for inputs and regain control over the seeds and technology." What is happening with food production is a parallel of the current worldwide financial crisis and should give the world pause. At the peak of their power and before the mortgage meltdown, vertical integration was great for Wall Street, because money was plentiful and credit cheap. Those running the world's finances refused to take serious any evidence of a coming catastrophe. The difference between money and food is the world can survive while the financial markets are brought back, but if a blight or terminator seed goes haywire, what will the world eat? Vertical integration run amok in the financial industry brought the world to the brink of depression. Control of the world's food chain by a few multinationals corporations in the face of a similar breakdown spells worldwide famine and starvation. Then, there is the added concern of unforeseen and unintended consequences (mutagenesis) GMOs may introduce. The world trusted greedy people running its finances with disastrous results. People cannot afford to have such a life sustaining industry as food production controlled by a few greedy companies that are already "too big to fail." Politics Y2K9 A Slow Hand of Help for Haiti by John Burl Smith Faced with worldwide ridicule at the knowledge that Haitian children are eating "mud cakes" to stave off starvation, Haitian officials and the international community differ on what is needed. Haitian officials (2-28-09) echoed the sentiments of Haitians fighting the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) plan to deport over 30,000 Haitian nationals back to the Western hemisphere's poorest nation. Haitian Ambassador Raymond Joseph said the struggling country "can't handle the strain of additional citizens while it tries to cope with the impact of last year's tropical storms and food riots." Moreover, he refused to issue the travel documents needed to deport Haitians from the U.S. The lack of travel documents lengthens the time a deportee spends in custody. ICE has justified deportations by claiming that Haitians reduced available housing space in detention facilities for Mexicans, who are legitimate refugees. Ambassador Joseph vowed to demand a review of Bush administration policies toward Haiti. The war of words cooled down slightly with the announcement that U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and former U.S. President Bill Clinton would visit Haiti on Monday (3-9-09) to urge Haiti to use international backing to haul itself out of demoralizing poverty. A different view of the situation came in a report by the International Crisis Group (ICG) based in Brussels. They are urging international donors scheduled to meet next month in Washington to provide the debt ridden nation with $3 billion over the next several years to help fend off deepening poverty and upgrade their ineffective governance. The conflict resolution and watchdog group warned, if Haiti is left at risk, renewed violence and political instability are distinct possibilities. ICG's 16-page report pointed out that Haiti is enjoying a period of relative stability, but economic and social conditions can worsen over night, as they did last April, when riots over high food prices chased the prime minister from office. Then four storms socked the country and left nearly 800 people dead, while causing $1 billion in damage and halted economic growth. Tuesday's report went on to blame poor cooperation between President Rene Preval, new Prime Minister Michele Pierre-Louis and parliament for deadlocked legislation that prevented passage of a proposed $256.4 million budget bankrolled mostly by donors. Such indecision, according to the ICG, could open the door to "spoilers," drug traffickers, corrupt politicians, gangs and businessmen who prefer a weak government to create problems. A similar scenario was presented in the U.S. State Department's annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report just released. It said "South American cocaine on illegal flights through Haiti bound for the United States and Europe had increased over the past year." Then, there are students fueling unrest, protesting a curriculum change. During Ban and Clinton's visit promoting the anti-poverty action plan for Haiti, they spoke to students. The U.N. chief said, "Haiti had a ?window of opportunity' because of the presence of a U.N. peacekeeping mission there and because of the country's tariff-free access to U.S. market. That is why Pres. Clinton and I are here personally first of all to demonstrate our solidarity and send a very strong message to the international community that we need Haiti to be able to emerge as a very stable, democratic and prosperous country in the region." Ban added, "The anti-poverty plan focuses on job creation, food security, reforestation of the almost treeless country and provision of basic services such as healthcare." However, neither Ban nor Clinton addressed the "wildcard" issue in Haiti -- former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Several thousand of his supporters and Lavalas Family Party members staged a demonstration to protest electoral officials' decision to block all Lavalas candidates from participating in a long-delayed April 19 election to fill 12 vacant Senate seats. They have also demanded that U.S. President Barack Obama arrange Aristide's return to Haiti. Not addressing Aristide is asking for trouble. Help is being extended to Haiti very slowly. (Sources: http://heritagekonpa.com, www.nydailynews.com and http://news.yahoo.com) Hood Notes Monsanto's Dream Bill, HR 875 (Excerpt) By Linn Cohen-Cole To begin reversing GM contamination will require ending the power biotech companies such as Monsanto exert over our government and through that, over our food. HR 875 was introduced by Rosa DeLauro whose husband Stanley Greenburg works for Monsanto. The bill is monstrous on level after level - the power it would give to Monsanto, the criminalization of seed banking, the prison terms and confiscatory fines for farmers, the 24 hours GPS tracking of their animals, the easements on their property to allow for warrantless government entry, the stripping away of their property rights, the imposition by the filthy, greedy industrial side of anti-farming international "industrial" standards to independent farms - the only part of our food system that still works, the planned elimination of farmers through all these means. The corporations want the land, they want more intensive industrialization, they want the end of normal animals so they can substitute patented genetically engineered ones they own, they want the end of normal seeds and thus of seed banking by farmers or individuals. They want control over all seeds, animals, water, and land. Our farmers are good stewards. That is who is threatened by Rosa DeLauro's bill (and because of that, we all are). At a time in this country when wise stewardship and the production of anything real - especially good food - is what is most needed, it is our best stewards whom Rosa DeLauro threatens, under the cruelly false name of "food safety." And now Monsanto wants its own employee, Michael Taylor - the man who forced genetically engineered rBGH on us (unlabeled, unaware) when the Clintons placed him over "food safety" in the 90s - back in government, this time to act with massive police power as a "food safety tsar" from inside the White House. HR 875 would give him immense power over what is done on every single farm in the country and massive police state power to wield over farmers and punishments to break them at will. The following quotes show Monsanto and its biotech ilk are not "stewards" at all. Their inhuman focus on profit has led to inhuman, insane, sickening products that require intense corruption of democracy and science institutes and media, to foist them on country after country which don't want them. It is our farmers who stand between us and this outrage which masquerades as science, as food, as normal business, as government. And it is or farmers who need not only protecting and but actual freeing from government intrusion, control and harm. Vegetarians and vegans do not identify with farmers who raise animals but what is at stake here is critical for all of us. "First they came for the Jews" is an apt reminder of what matters in standing with each other because the overwhelming bureaucratic burdens, the recording over every single thing done on a farm, the warrantless inspections, the end of farmers markets, the criminalization of seed banking, the ten years in prison for stepping out of line in any way, will next be applied not to animals breaking out of fence onto a neighbors' farm, but for such things as not spraying pesticides on an organic farm to eradicate earthworms (now listed as an invasive species) because the government's "food safety tsar" has deemed it necessary. It is totalitarian control (and HR 875 epitomizes it) which we stand against, and now it is aimed with ferocity at farmers with animals. Stopping it now keeps all farmers safe. Rosa DeLauro and Stanley Greenburg have a great deal to account for in attempting through a mislabeled bill with hidden intent to wipe out our farmers and harm all of us. HR 875 gives Monsanto greater power and opens doors wider to the following ...(For complete op-ed and more, log on to http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-s-dream-bill-HR-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-090309-337.html) News You Use Historic Tour Riders Early this spring, 165 citizens from across the nation will journey into the Deep South. Buses will leave from Raleigh, Durham and Charlotte, North Carolina on April 7, 2009. For the ninth consecutive year, the Raleigh MLK Committee is sponsoring a bus trip to Atlanta, Selma, Tuskegee, Montgomery, Birmingham and Memphis to retrace the steps of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other civil rights heroes. The award-winning excursion will visit historical monuments and museums in the bedrock areas of "The Movement's" epic center. Many historians have acknowledged that the work and sacrifices of Dr. King and other pioneers of the Civil Rights Movement helped pave the way for the election of America's first African American President. Museums in Montgomery, Birmingham and Memphis are adding new attractions which will highlight and educate citizens about the time-lines and events that helped change the trajectory of multiracial attitudes and voting patterns nationwide. Highlights of the historic tour include a visit to the birthplace of Dr. King, a walk along historic "Sweet Auburn Avenue" in Atlanta and the Martin Luther King Center, where his tomb rests. Participants will relive "Bloody Sunday" and the harrowing Selma to Montgomery March experiences and understand the bravery of the ordinary men and women who risked their lives to register blacks to vote. Travelers will relive Rosa Park's nonviolent protest in Montgomery that inspired the bus boycott that galvanized the movement that ended segregation of public facilities across the nation, spend time in Birmingham, and visit the National Civil Rights Museum and Lorraine Hotel in Memphis where Dr. King was assassinated. For more information on this historic tour, including itinerary and to obtain reservation forms, visit http://www.king-raleigh.org/events/body.cfm, email info at king-raleigh.org or call Bruce Lightner, MLK Committee Chairman, at (919) 834-6264. Disgruntled wants to know: China is the US' largest creditor; it holds approximately a trillion dollars in US treasuries and notes issued by other government affiliated agencies, such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. With US deficit spending run amok, the Chinese government is "worried" its stockpile of US-dollar denominated debt will be devalued with a rise in interest rates, which, according to economic theory, is likely to happen. Given the already prolonged nature of the current US economic crisis, one wonders have the Chinese waited too long before being "worried" about holding so much US debt in reserve? Disgruntled says: Sure there were suckers and even sneaks across the racial divide that tried to game the system by buying more house than their incomes could afford. Likewise, there were hundreds of thousands of others with decent credit scores and sufficient incomes to purchase a home that were steered into the subprime market by unscrupulous lenders. On Friday, the NAACP filed class-action lawsuits in federal court charging Wells Fargo and HSBC with forcing blacks into subprime mortgages while whites with identical qualifications got lower rates. According to press reports, more lawsuits are in the works against a dozen other subprime lenders. It's about time someone sued the big banks that preyed on the black community during the housing bubble. Disgruntled feels: Sick! Folks are still getting sick from eating salmonella-laced peanut products. Documents obtained by attorneys representing roughly 15,000 plaintiffs suing British drug maker Astra-Zeneca include internal memos showing company executives knew in 1997 that FDA-approved Seroquel caused diabetes and major weight gain. These are just two of the numerous problems that have come to light as a result of a lack of FDA oversight and due diligence. During the Bush administration, the FDA, which is supposed to be a consumer watchdog, suffered from a lack of funding and leadership. Critics have accused the agency of lax inspections and being a dysfunctional creature of the pharmaceutical and food industries it is supposed to regulate. People getting sick and dying because the agency is not doing its job. Call the doctor! The FDA is a sick puppy! Mailbox: E-mails, Faxes and Telephone Calls Email www.msnbc.com Obama bans 'downer' cows from food supply...President says current food safety system is a 'hazard to public health' - The Obama administration on Saturday permanently banned the slaughter of cows too sick or weak to stand on their own, seeking to further minimize the chance that mad cow disease could enter the food supply. The Agriculture Department proposed the ban last year after the biggest beef recall in U.S. history. The recall involved a Chino, California, slaughterhouse and "downer" cows. The Obama administration finalized the ban on Saturday. "As part of our commitment to public health, our Agriculture Department is closing a loophole in the system to ensure that diseased cows don't find their way into the food supply," President Barack Obama said in his weekly radio and video address. Those cows pose a higher risk of having mad cow disease. Because they wallow in feces, they also are susceptible to infections from bacteria that cause food poisoning, such as E. coli. Email www.nytimes.com ...Prison Spending Outpaces All But Medicaid...By Solomon Moore...One in every 31 adults, or 7.3 million Americans, is in prison, on parole or probation, at a cost to the states of $47 billion in 2008, according to a new study. Criminal correction spending is outpacing budget growth in education, transportation and public assistance, based on state and federal data. Only Medicaid spending grew faster than state corrections spending, which quadrupled in the past two decades, according to the report by the Pew Center on the States, the first breakdown of spending in confinement and supervision in the past seven years. The increases in the number of people in some form of correctional control occurred as crime rates declined by about 25 percent in the past two decades. As states face huge budget shortfalls, prisons, which hold 1.5 million adults, are driving the spending increases. States have shown a preference for prison spending even though it is cheaper to monitor convicts in community programs, including probation and parole, which require offenders to report to law enforcement officers. Email www.ap.com ...She turns cameras on American hunger...By Paul Arrillaga...An epidemiologist, folklorist and assistant professor of health policy at Drexel, Mariana Chilton has spent the last five years conducting research on hunger. Her assistants would park themselves in an emergency room, gathering data from low-income mothers whenever a health crisis brought them and their children to the hospital. They'd ask probing questions...sometimes the interviewers provided phone numbers for assistance or shelters. It just wasn't enough. Four years ago, she launched a "Grow Clinic" at St. Christopher's Hospital in Philadelphia that monitors nutrition in underweight children. And she frequently testifies before Congress about hunger. But her work left her with a nagging thought: "There's something greater that we could do here." So, when she learned she'd won a $100,000 award in late 2007, she ignored suggestions that she take a vacation and instead started work on "Witnesses to Hunger." She doled out cameras to inner-city mothers and made them chroniclers of a plight too often ignored, putting their work before the public and turning their daily lives into a powerful statement on a societal ill. **************************************************** For comments, questions or to unsubscribe, email thedish at ga.net. ***************************************************** From prcanb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 21:11:19 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] "Because, Mum bought me a T-shirt!" Message-ID: <853108.83074.qm@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was just trying to be friendly to my 10 year old customer when lo and behold, he said something that pierced through my heart and truly humbled me! Wow, I said to my inner person! "Where in the world did he learn that?" I wondered in quietness! Here is what happened! A mother and her three children came through my register. A son-10 years old and his two younger sisters! Each of the sisters bought a candy! To apply my sense of humor, I asked the 10 year old boy who didn't seem to mind about the candies. "How about you? How come you did not buy a candy?" I inquired, as I continued to scan their merchandise. "Because Mum bought me a T-shirt!" the boy answered! "Well, that is very kind and considerate of you!" I said to the little boy! "Thank you sir!" he answered! After they left, I took a long time to reflect on what my little customer had said and the deeper implication of the statement! Here is what ran through my mind. -There aren't that many people out there who think of others! It's always about us. It reminds me of this man who used to pray, "Lord, please bless me, my dear wife, our son Jim, and no one else! -There are some rich people out there who exploit the poor and the very needy. God have mercy please! -Think of the many politicians who exploit those that voted for them -If there is any promotion at our place of work, our thoughts are always about us getting it. This incident reminded me of a very touching story that I once read. It was a story about these two young men who worked for a certain company. One of them was hard working while the other one was not. One day, the boss informed the hard working young man that he was due a raise! The next day, the hard working young man came with a very interesting request. "Sir," he said to the boss, "I want to thank you for considering to give me a raise, but I think that my friend needs money more than I do. I therefore request you to please give him a raise instead of me." Talk about a surprise and bizarre request! What a spirit of sacrifice! The boss would not believe it! Here was someone who was so mindful of others! The boss, however, did something very mature and commendable. He decided to give both of them a raise! Thank God! Well, what else can I say? The young boy ministered unto me in ways he did not even think about. It reminded me of another one who gave it all for the sake of those that did not deserve it-the man of Galilee, the poor Nazarene, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior! He died a shameful death so that you and I will have an opportunity to be called His sons and daughters! Wow! Thank you Jesus! Oh! how I cry daily to become more like Him! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From hdzila at easternproduce.co.ke Mon Mar 16 00:52:39 2009 From: hdzila at easternproduce.co.ke (Hussein Dzila) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:52:39 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: SAFARICON OR SUFFERINGCOM In-Reply-To: <181c75910903150424i5d675046t3d20d185dc706c94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D9F0882420BBC40A6E894F7760F1CEC0141B7FA@epkserver.easternproduce.co.ke> Safaricom is making us suffer and Zain-Zap sounds cheap but where can we access it? Ama it's meant to send pesa within big towns? Anybody working for Zain. Let the MD of Zain know that He has cheap offers that are hardly accessible. Regards, Hussein. ________________________________ From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of josiah ogalo Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:24 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke Subject: [YP_Ke] SAFARICON OR SUFFERINGCOM YPS_Ke, Anybody with Safaricon/sufferingcom MD's e-mail address or direct phone number? I need to share with him some issues affecting us the customers.....or better still, I have since been swallowed by Orange and Zain - Zap, and voice services, they are cheaper! Any member of YP group and works at Safaricon/Sufferingcom...please fiskisha our sentiments! Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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In-Reply-To: <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Bwana Otieno, You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being touted. Let me highlight a few: 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to Embakasi constituency (for example) Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very different set of beliefs from them. What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, etc etc) and instead started right where the people are, identifying with their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT?S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > ?s family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government?s plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > > in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno > Kajwang? > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community?s priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > > criticized Raila for > > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith > and kin > > from Bondo and > > Siaya. > > > > Ends > > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > > > > > -- > > A warm welcome to > > > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Really is this how am supposed to get the certificate of competent???? ? Help me for to make good decision Blancallicious ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From situmanyongesa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 09:40:53 2009 From: situmanyongesa at gmail.com (joseph nyongesa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:40:53 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: MIgingo row a shame In-Reply-To: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7b1c74720903150640y1820a68dtdf19c6af99b14019@mail.gmail.com> For me the trouble is that kianga appears to be a coward. Since when will our military "do something". I thought war is for the good health of the military... On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Eduh Mpole wrote: > Ugandan government and Kenya are fighting over ownership of less than an > acre Migingo Island in Lake Victoria. > > It is a shame to argue over a small a territorial dispute. We should be > fighting for the creation of one country called East Africa > > > > Our small States remain backward and unable to compete because of borders > created by colonialist who fragmented Africa to their benefit, and inherited > in 1926. > > > > East African States have not integrated into one country to form one big > market and break all trade barriers to spur development and competitiveness > in highly globalised world > > whereas our youngprofessionals can be given a chance to initiate the > changes in East Africa,the government is fighting for their fish...kenyan > fish,uganda fish etc > > > > is this the way forward for our East africa?????? > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From situmanyongesa at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 10:10:42 2009 From: situmanyongesa at gmail.com (joseph nyongesa) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:10:42 -0800 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Appreciating Each other! In-Reply-To: <971956.32442.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <748567.25557.qm@web57416.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <396662.5669.qm@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <971956.32442.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7b1c74720903150710r38d11b17t3bd0afe83e896cf3@mail.gmail.com> It is not always true that when you appreciate someone it brings the best out of them. Unless you want to tell us which ?best? you are talking about. I made the mistake of appreciating a certain ?beautiful feather? wishing that this will oil and quicken my path towards getting her to give ?her best?. Needless to say, I was astonished and my beautiful seeing that she had increased in value, is now giving me a trouble or two. That should now explain why I will never appreciate anyone by telling them what they (truly) mean to me - assuming that they mean something significant in the first place. Why frighten some souls for no reason? Why create conscious enemies seeing that there is a little enemy in every friend? Of course, I am not beyond appreciating especially ladies in the forum. And when she is beautiful, I will have no choice but to ?appreciate? her if possible, show my appreciation in kind. For what is appreciation without deeds? As for asking for forgiveness from someone, now for that, I am beyond seeking forgiveness. First I am rarely wronged and I take this to mean that I also rarely wrong someone. In short, why should I seek forgiveness if I am not conscious of having wronged someone? This would also mean that it is equally illogical to go ask forgiveness from someone who most likely does not know that they have been wronged. Being wronged and seeking of forgiveness is a highly subjective matter. And I am not so clever as to put myself in a state of responsibility for another?s feeling. Or rather, life is better if we suspend action on some of this ?mushy things?. And what am saying? I am either saying nothing or advising us to learn how to use the tool of ?appreciating? profitably. One can also appreciate by not appreciating or better still suspend judgment on matters appreciation. Then again i notice that our sisters are so into this Either way Terry I thank thee for your observation and word of counsel. There ends my blabbering I guess. Fare thee well. Shallom Leka. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:51 PM, nelly muthoni wrote: > > this is indeed a blessing > am blesd > ------------------------------ > *From:* terry ndirangu > *To:* youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 March, 2009 9:35:32 > *Subject:* [YP_Ke] Appreciating Each other! > > Dear all, > > It has been good hearing all the opinions flowing from different people. We > have quite intelligent people in Kenya and its a great asset for this > country. > > This is a brand new day that God has given us yet again through His > mercies.. Once in a while we lose someone who we really love or admire and > usually a great void is left in our heart, we sometimes feel helpless coz > that person is no more. My point is, when these people are alive, or are > close to us, do we appreciate them? Do we tell them how valuable they are to > us? > > Let us appreciate each other while we still live. Show an act of kindness > to somebody. It could be your spouse, your boss, your child, a workmate, > your house girl, tell them today what they mean to you. It could be someone > on this forum who has been a blessing to you even though you have never met, > when you appreciate someone, it brings out the best in them and the bad that > might be there is overshadowed. It increases the value of that person. If > someone has wronged you, forgive them, be the first to approach them, you > will feel so much lighter! If you wronged somebody, go to them, ask them for > forgiveness, pride and arrogance are our own greatest enemies, they will > make you miss an opportunity. > > Let us not say, 'I wish i had told him/her, or i wish i could have done > it....' You have today to make amends, tomorrow may not be yours. Do the > right thing, even if it is not what people expect of you! > > Go for it! > > Have a blessed day. > > Shalom! > > Terry > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From komarockswatch at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 04:05:09 2009 From: komarockswatch at yahoo.com (odhiambo okecth) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Message-ID: <821340.75431.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Our focus should be with young leaders who seem to be dividing Kenya, the likes of the young Kamukunji MP, Mbugua. I thought young people were the change agents that we needed. But if Mbugua can call the Luo pepo mbaya from the Lake, and no one rebukes him, then, 2012 will be real. Odhiambo T Oketch, Komarock Nairobi --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: From: Anthony Wangondu Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:03 PM Bwana Otieno, You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being touted. Let me highlight a few: 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to Embakasi constituency (for example) Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very different set of beliefs from them. What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, etc etc) and instead started right where the people are, identifying with their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT?S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > ?s family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government?s plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > > in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno > Kajwang? > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community?s priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. 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Message-ID: <246305.73267.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Its funny how we rave and rant about the current crop of politicians we have around and yet we have already started rooting for their return in 2012. What we should work on is how we can throw all these imbeciles out including Raila whether he won and was rigged out or not. We need some fresh blood not someone who campaigns on a platform of hatred and plotting on how to alienate or antagonize some communities just to have power. But the problem with some people is their are so conservative they can't see anything beyond Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, e.t.c. which is what is bringing us down from the time this country got its indipendence. We have worked on buiding dynasties and their gangs of sycophants. Look at this, NARC was campaining on BANDILISHA, what were we changing if most of them were in the KANU govt, but since they crossed over we chasticized them and made them angels or may be we applied the SAUL to PAUL law you never know. ODM kenya and its theory of CHANGE. just tell me what were we changing. look at the line up Ruto, Mudavadi, Kones? Dalmas Otieno Henry Kosgei e.t.c If we dont realize the harm we are doing to ourselves and have a change of mind we are gone and gone forever. God help us. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: From: Anthony Wangondu Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:03 PM Bwana Otieno, You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being touted. Let me highlight a few: 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to Embakasi constituency (for example) Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very different set of beliefs from them. What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, etc etc)? and instead started right where the people are, identifying with their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT?S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that? tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been? holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > ?s family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government?s plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga?s? influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups? the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > >? in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila? had favoured Otieno > Kajwang? > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn? them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > >? Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP? to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in? the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > >? The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > >? ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community?s priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. 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URL: From amosogal at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 10:04:40 2009 From: amosogal at gmail.com (Lee Makwiny) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:04:40 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Music Copyright Society of Kenya In-Reply-To: <653132.62686.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <88200cca-372d-41db-84b4-2698658595a5@w35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <653132.62686.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <594ded440903160704l6e1072acm234fa708035057f9@mail.gmail.com> That group is just hungry for Money and someone should audit their accounts soon. What do they expect us to do. Eat in an hotel with no Tv, no radio, no mobile. I think it was good intentioned but are now drunk with "Power". They should ne stopped. Period. On 3/16/09, Daniel Muguko wrote: > > > > Induli, > > Please get a copy of the copyright act.You will be shocked at who should > pay the fees. > > The BIG QUESTION is,WHERE DO THEY TAKE THE > MONEY??????????????????????????????? > > Thanking You > Mr. Daniel Kamau Muguko > Management Accountant > P.O. Box 6613 - 00300 > Nairobi > Kenya > Tel + 254 0722 281679 > > "Celebrate what you've accomplished, but raise the bar a little higher each > time you succeed." > "When it rains, all the birds fly for shelter. But the eagle alone avoids > the rain by flying above the clouds" > > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Induli wrote: > > > From: Induli > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Music Copyright Society of Kenya > > To: "youngprofessionals_ke" > > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 2:42 PM > > Hi good people, > > > > I have just had an experience with guys from above > > organisation at my > > usual lunch place. They came in, counted the number of > > seats and asked > > the proprietor to pay some amount per seat, for having a TV > > set in her > > cafeteria. Is this legal? > > > > Can anyone shed some light on this? I just wonder then how > > much some > > joints in town, for example, cough out, if this is the same > > criteria > > used. > > > > Rgds. > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amosogal at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 07:31:17 2009 From: amosogal at gmail.com (Lee Makwiny) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:31:17 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> References: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> Message-ID: <594ded440903160431v35dfdf4dvdbd783ebf62357fe@mail.gmail.com> I think the truth is simple: There is no 6vs2, thats a wrong conclusion. As much as NEP popolation equal embakasi, it important for everyone to appreciate that the elections were stollen, as Karua did, as Kivuitu did and many more people will follow suit. The other fact is that there is NO way SOUTH Nyanza will rebel again the People's President. There is no place where the man has support than SN and its here where he got the highest turnout of vote. And the other truth is that none of the MPs from that place is capable to taking on Raila the way Ochuodho did, and to some extend the way Dalmas did. If they try, they will loose big time. I can bet on this. The other truth is that MPS are thieves. Very true, they have refused to pay taxes. We tried to change alot of this things by voting a government that could be accountable to us and bring the change we wanted but unfortunately, coz of tribalism and self interest, it never was. On 3/16/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > > Bwana Otieno, > You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to > do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I > think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, > as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being > touted. Let me highlight a few: > 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't > matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to > Embakasi constituency (for example) > Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve > half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country > as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT > his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now > using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very > removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they > bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very > different set of beliefs from them. > > What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - > tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at > their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting > anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied > tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have > shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton > did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, > etc etc) and instead started right where the people are, identifying with > their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. > > So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you > starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes > I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and > pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading > the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the > politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto: > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN > NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Bwana Wangondu, > I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila > facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. > You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won > six provinces. > The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by > some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't > Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. > Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally > comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal > chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing > power. please respond. > Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind > us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their > faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They > even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. > South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing > rebellion is in for arude shock. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu > wrote: > > > From: Anthony Wangondu > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" < > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com> > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > > half loaf? > > What is this about 6 provinces? > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > > wary and aware. > > > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > > analysis of what he stands for! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Lordvick Otieno > > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > > only Luo Nyanza. > > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > > right. > > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > > that's why they always stick with him. > > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > > Kenyans an alternative. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > > wrote: > > > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > > SOUTHERN > > > NYANZA LUOS? > > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > > GOVERNMENT?S > > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > > Southern > > > Nyanza region says > > > that tension is building up between the supporter of > > the > > > Prime Minister > > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > > caucus. > > > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > > academician > > > s from the > > > region have of late been holding behind the scene > > > consultative meetings in > > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > > forward > > > on how the > > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > > Odinga > > > ?s family > > > influence. > > > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > > government?s plum jobs, > > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > > effort > > > to revive the > > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > > holding > > > secret meetings > > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > > in the > > > lakeside City of > > > Kisumu. > > > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > > academicians and some > > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > > forward to build > > > another centre of power gravitation inside > > Luo-Nyanza, > > > which is devoid of > > > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with > > any > > > group of Kenyan > > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > > relations for mutual > > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > > pressurize > > > any government of > > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > > three > > > Provinces., that > > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > > together in one > > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > > Kisii > > > town, and the third > > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > > Homa-Bay, > > > Nyatike, Migori, > > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > > headquarters > > > in either > > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > > of the > > > late Hezekiah N > > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > > in-charge of > > > Provincial > > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > > the > > > power devolution > > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > > Province > > > covering Southern > > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > > town. > > > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > > dispensation > > > conference held > > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > > proposal > > > was vehemently > > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > > an > > > attempt to divide > > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > > basket > > > for his own > > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > > the > > > idea felt that the > > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > > beneficial to the > > > region because it will attract more government > > funding. > > > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > > revisited the idea once > > > again. > > > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > > Nyanza and > > > that there is > > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > > new > > > centre of power to > > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > > regions. > > > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > > of > > > the Minister for > > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > > Rongo, the Immigration > > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > > that of > > > the youthful > > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > > Minister > > > for Internal > > > Security. > > > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > > party > > > many Luos believed to > > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > > and > > > political suppression > > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > > Kenyatta > > > and the retired > > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > > the > > > Minister has > > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > > the > > > overall community > > > leadership. > > > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > > childish > > > and not a serious > > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > > leading > > > the Luo to a higher > > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > > as an > > > achiever and a > > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > > hitherto backward > > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > > development. > > > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > > loyalty > > > to Raila Odinga. > > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > > the > > > Ministerial > > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > > 2005 > > > in solidarity > > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > > allocation and > > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > > coalition > > > government shared > > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > > Prime > > > Minister Raila > > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > > Minister > > > instead of the > > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno > > Kajwang? > > > who got away with > > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > > comment. > > > He said to be > > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > > governmental or > > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > > since > > > the formation of > > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > > extremely > > > loyal to his friend > > > the Prime Minister. > > > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > > clean, is > > > the allegations > > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > > the > > > joint officiasl > > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > > Companies, and allegedly > > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > > of > > > the two joint > > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > > Bett. > > > The two have been > > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > > the > > > last four years, > > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have > > gone for > > > months without > > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > > closed > > > down a couple of > > > years ago. > > > > > > > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > > is > > > also an Assistant > > > Minister for Finance. > > > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > > released > > > ten tractors, > > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza > > Province for > > > the purpose of > > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > > Raila > > > released the tractors > > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > > agriculturally > > > rich regions where > > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > > food > > > production in > > > the region.. > > > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > > secretly > > > backing the > > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > > region > > > from those from > > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > > having taken bold > > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > > from > > > the controversial > > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the > > same > > > time being accused > > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > > for > > > the resuscitation > > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > > improvement > > > of the fishing > > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > > Minister for lack of > > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > > eradication. > > > Instead, the PM is > > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > > worshipping and > > > sycophancy. > > > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > > routing > > > for the communal > > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > > neighbouring > > > communities > > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > > the > > > same time blaming > > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > > politics of hatred.. > > > > > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > > to be > > > reaching their > > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > > Several > > > night meeting are > > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > > Nairobi. > > > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > > reportedly > > > denounced the > > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > > Luo > > > circumcised as one > > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > > such > > > trivialities > > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > > covenanted position of > > > Premier to handle. > > > > > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > > community?s priority. There > > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > > his Luo > > > parliamentary > > > colleagues. > > > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > > between > > > Raila and > > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > > The > > > professionals are > > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > > Dr. > > > Oburu Oginga on > > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > > over > > > the maize > > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > > of > > > arrogance and as > > > such misplaced.. > > > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > > bad > > > habit of rushing > > > to the press on every single issue in this > > country..They > > > must learn to be > > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > > comments > > > on contentious > > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > > all > > > cost. > > > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > > professional > > > and politicians > > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > > Odinga > > > from the Southern > > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > > have > > > taken place in > > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > > > criticized Raila for > > > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith > > and kin > > > from Bondo and > > > Siaya. > > > > > > Ends > > > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jambo mailing list > > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > A warm welcome to > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Do the right thing, master your road signs and good grasp of the board, confidence and trust God I did not see that when I did my driving test...the examiner actually said categorically that you should not pay any money to any officer...I did my lessons with AA... We had people from AA failing, some for the second time, while at the same time some people from Seniors Driving School passed and some failed. No one asked me for money, I passed mine on first attempt...i never have any Godfathers in any circles...least of all the Police force... I still believe and strongly for that matter, that... Such stamements are common with Rocky instructors...do not yield to such practices. My take.. 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CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. To post to this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to youngprofessionals_ke+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.ke/group/youngprofessionals_ke?hl=en Join the group on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=57703506900 Follow us on twitter at http://twitter.com/lyp_ke -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From tonditi at usiu.ac.ke Mon Mar 16 08:21:25 2009 From: tonditi at usiu.ac.ke (Tom Onditi) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:21:25 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: <594ded440903160431v35dfdf4dvdbd783ebf62357fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <594ded440903160431v35dfdf4dvdbd783ebf62357fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Leo's mail is wishful. It is not an analysis that it declares it is. It makes claims about groups that don't exist and from among who he claims he knows none. Many times you don't know whether you are reading from a reporter's account or propaganda or indeed just a rumor mill. There is a serious credibility problem with that mail. I'd suggest the likes of Anthony keep the champagne just a little longer From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Makwiny Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? I think the truth is simple: There is no 6vs2, thats a wrong conclusion. As much as NEP popolation equal embakasi, it important for everyone to appreciate that the elections were stollen, as Karua did, as Kivuitu did and many more people will follow suit. The other fact is that there is NO way SOUTH Nyanza will rebel again the People's President. There is no place where the man has support than SN and its here where he got the highest turnout of vote. And the other truth is that none of the MPs from that place is capable to taking on Raila the way Ochuodho did, and to some extend the way Dalmas did. If they try, they will loose big time. I can bet on this. The other truth is that MPS are thieves. Very true, they have refused to pay taxes. We tried to change alot of this things by voting a government that could be accountable to us and bring the change we wanted but unfortunately, coz of tribalism and self interest, it never was. On 3/16/09, Anthony Wangondu > wrote: Bwana Otieno, You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being touted. Let me highlight a few: 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to Embakasi constituency (for example) Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very different set of beliefs from them. What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, etc etc) and instead started right where the people are, identifying with their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu > wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews > > >, InsideAfrica at cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk > > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT'S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region's professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > 's family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government's plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga's influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila's supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region's residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang'; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno's problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community's marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > > in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno > Kajwang' > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng'etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > > "Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community's priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly > > criticized Raila for > > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith > and kin > > from Bondo and > > Siaya. > > > > Ends > > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jambo mailing list > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > > > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > > > > > > > > -- > > A warm welcome to > > > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html > > > > > > > > > >
From buchson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 10:12:04 2009 From: buchson at yahoo.com (Jackson Kibuchi) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: driving license References: <542930.86540.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <728918.76119.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <520523.19361.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Once you bribe it will be making you feel incompetent, if you cause a little accident you remember its because you bribed that you got the driving license otherwise you could not have passed. Do your lessons and face the test, it will make feel proud. I too did my test and passed, I never bribed anybody. Good luck. Jack ________________________________ From: Sam Mwaura To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:36:53 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: driving license I learnt how to drive in 10 days. I was asked for a bribe so that I could pass within the ten days but I told the instructor that I was entitled to 20 lessons so I did not care. They pushed my name for the test and I passed without giving a single cent, in ten days. Just prepare well, be confident, and remember that the cops dont expect you to be a pro.. Peace, Sam On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM, josephine Ndambuki wrote: In my case. When i did my driving test, nobody asked me for a single cent, and i passed. So dont panick, you prepare and go pay KRA what is due to them. you should pass the test. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The tempo on reversing the deplorable destruction of Kenya's wetlands has just got into a high gear. Lands minister Mr. James Orengo is promising demolitions. Panic is evident among developers and tenants of buildings standing too close or on atop rivers and riparian wetlands. The regional The East African editorial this week couldn't have been more apt: "sowing wetlands, reaping destruction", so it convincingly reads. On health matters, the confusion between the Ministry of Medical Services and Pharmacy and Poisons Board on the discounted efficacy of the cough syrup medication for children must be stopped. True, serious economic implications to pharmaceuticals are clear, but the truth must be allowed to prevail, in the public interest. Elsewhere, arrangements for the establishment of the Nairobi Citywide Resident Association, with support from the Ford Foundation, kicks off this week. Watch out for our 14th session of the Bi-monthly Talk Series on saving Kenya's wetlands as a form of maintenance of peace and national cohesion. Before you buy and/or rent a house for business or for staying in, please consult a trusted professional to be sure it is not built on a wetland or a river. Otherwise, it will be demolished. Further if you believe in joining the campaign "Stop Uncontrolled Developments - Save Kenya's Wetlands" - you are free to contribute to the KARA Environmental Justice Fund. Join us today. Wishing you a pleasant week ahead. We are glad you are reading us. Editor Save Kenya's Wetlands! Is your house or business on one? Inside this Issue - at a glance: ? Uncontrolled developments: civil servants, professionals must be liable ? "The East African": Sowing wetlands, reaping destruction! ? Case for demolitions: Is it our turn to eat into or save our wetlands? ? Nairobi Citywide Residents Association Set for Launch ? Uncontrolled developments: Orengo's road map on demolitions ? Michael Aronson: ABC of "grabbed" land repossession ? Don't miss to advertise in the April/May edition of "Neighbourhood Kenya" Quotable quotes: Nema boss Dr. A. Muusya Mwinzi on developers "Developers are also cautioned not to rob Kenyans of their right to a clean and healthy environment through the use of court injunctions. The balance between development and environmental conservation can only be achieved if developers demonstrate respect for the integrity of the environment for current and future generations", Source: media statement, 2nd March 2009 Uncontrolled developments: civil servants, professionals must be liable With an estimated 6 out of every 10 developments in Nairobi being inappropriate in one way or another, explains the worrying trend within and around the multi-billion real estate sector. Full-story "The East African": Sowing wetlands, reaping destruction! The imminent demolition of buildings constructed illegally on wetlands and road reserves around Nairobi is a testament to past corruption, influence peddling and poor or non-existent urban planning.Full-story Case for demolitions: Is it our turn to eat into or save our wetlands? A number of foreign embassies in Nairobi are today occupying offices either build on 'grabbed', pristine forest land or are said to have interfered with the infrastructure in one way or another, amongst many other malpractices. Full-story Nairobi Citywide Residents Association Set for Launch As you may already be aware, KARA with support of the Ford Foundation, has been facilitating formation of provincial chapters otherwise known as "Citywide Residents Associations". Full-story Michael Aronson: ABC of "grabbed" land repossession: Only the high court has the power to order the termination of a title and its removal from the register of titles. Only the high court can legally evict someone from a plot of land that has a registered title. Full-story Uncontrolled developments: Orengo's road map on demolitions The Government appeals to banks and other financial institutions to ensure that all development conditions in respect of any registered land before they advance any money to developers. In addition they ensure that the development of any land offered as security does not violate sound environmental planning and management practices. Key events calendar highlights for Mar/Apr. 2009: 17 Mar - Civil Society Forum, at City Hall, to be addressed by Hon. Martha Karua 18 Mar - Review of Building Code Committee Meeting 19 Mar - Meeting on formation of Nairobi Citywide Residents Association 19 Mar - The HSF Seminar on Waki Report to be addressed by Hon. 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A spokesman did not provide information today about what might have precipitated the two deaths, acknowledging that each apparently died from a gunshot, and that Cheyenne Bullock was shot after his wife. Caroline Bullock was a citizen of Kenya, according to the sheriff's department. -- Bill McKelway http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/KENTGAT16_20090316 -120803/232797/ From jindiegu at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 15:02:41 2009 From: jindiegu at gmail.com (jindiegu) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:02:41 -0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: MIgingo row a shame In-Reply-To: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <459933.81256.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1c55b2f00903161202k1ad1cd18ta368f564601933fd@mail.gmail.com> Am so much ashamed to be called a kenyan.i am from mageta island which is in kenya and very near to uganda and sigulu island that was taken by the same ugandans.i see the same thing happening to my home in mageta.its sad and worrying to be precise On 3/15/09, Eduh Mpole wrote: > Ugandan? government and Kenya are fighting ?over ownership of less than an > acre Migingo Island in Lake Victoria. > It is a shame to argue over a small a territorial dispute. We should be > fighting for the creation of one country called East Africa > > Our small States remain backward and unable to compete because of borders > created by colonialist who fragmented Africa to their benefit, and inherited > in 1926. > > East African States have not integrated into one country to form one big > market and break all trade barriers to spur development and competitiveness > in highly globalised world > whereas our youngprofessionals can be given a chance to initiate the changes > in East Africa,the government is fighting for their fish...kenyan > fish,uganda fish etc > > is this the way forward for our East africa?????? > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I have become confused angaging in Kenya politics. Who is to be trusted??? --- On Wed, 11/3/09, Kamau J Njuguna wrote: From: Kamau J Njuguna Subject: [MULEMBE] Mungiki is a creation of Moi To: "bbc" , "BBC" , "ccr" , kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, letters at eastandard.net, mailbox at nation.co.ke, "mulembe" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Raila Odinga" , publiceyet at aol.com, "White House U.S.A." , "youthagenda" Cc: "africa-oped" , africa.journal at reuters.com, africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, afrocentrikworld at yahoogroups.com, akipkemboi at eastandard.net, "cnn" , editor at nation.co.ke, editors at newsweek.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "jaluo" , "kol" , madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Judy Miriga" , "mwananchi" , news at ktnkenya.com, "Raila Odinga" , "panafricanist" , "ugandacom" Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 11:32 AM 1] Mungiki is a creation of Moi It might sound funny, but walk with me down memory lane. Those days when Kanu was baba na mama. When kanu youth wingers called the shots. When kanu youth wingers could invade your home and impound your chicken, and all this with the tacit approval from the President, to the provincial administration. Those were the days that all the youths, more so in central province got the idea that being jobless was beneficial. With the ideas having come from the then dreaded kanu youth wingers, the groups of Jirongo and Ruto, Youth for Kanu 92 was just an improvement of kanu youth wingers. They had learnt under the tutelage of Moi that you could coarse and blackmail to get money. You could invade and attack to get money. When Kanu appeared to be loosing steam, the youths in central province, being money minded, had learned quickly and they mutated from kanu youth wingers, to Youth for Kanu 92, to Mungiki. The end is what you have now. 2] Ruto is sinking At the time Kenya went for the Referendum in 2005, William Samoei Ruto was able to hoodwink Kenyans that he had some semblance of democracy in him. So eloquent was he in the campaign trail that many Kenyans saw in him a possible future president. I am sorry that has gone with the winds. Again, take with me a walk down memory lane; immediately after the referendum win, Ruto started discussions with one Kalonzo Musyoka, he who would in 2007 betray the trust of Kenyans. When he saw that Raila was gaining an upper hand in Rift Valley without him, Ruto promptly jumped ship and strategically joined Team Raila. He knew that a Raila win in Rift Valley was going to add value to him if he played himself strategically. After Raila won the last elections and signs were clear that Kibaki was stealing the votes, Ruto was strategically at KICC not to fight for Raila, but to fight for William Ruto. He was able to make Kenyans forget that he was the architect of the infamous Youth for Kanu 92. He made Kenyans forget that as rich as he is, he cannot account for how he acquired this wealth. Then Ruto started playing mind games with Hon Raila. He could go back to his backyard to antagonize Raila at any given opportunity. In between, he would be sneaked to state house for debriefing. He would come back and steal some maize, go back to state house for more debriefings, go to Rift Valley to insight the people against Raila and on and on. He then rolled out a massive theft of maize and gave his supporters the leeway. This made Kenyans for the first time to buy maize at 120.00 per 2kg packet. I doubt if Kenyans can trust this maize thief. He then bank rolls parliament with proceeds from the maize theft, helped by the proceeds from oil theft [Kiraitu], and he wins. But this does not vindicate him in the eye of Kenyans; he is still a maize thief and many Kenyans are dying of hunger because Ruto played politics with our maize. [Where playing means stealing]. Of late, he is organizing Kanu to reclaim power. He has forgotten what kanu did to the Kenyan economy that made Kenyans vote kanu out in 2002. He has forgotten that Kenyans know how he made his money.. He has forgotten that Kenyans can see through him. Ruto thinks that he is very smart, that he is able. He is just but a maize thief. And we cannot trust such a turn coat with Kenya . If we are to vote in another Kanlenjin, he will not be Ruto. Or Ruto is the best from there? Again, after killing many Kikuyus in Rift Valley and making many more homeless, is Ruto the kind of saviour the Kikuyu want? Gime me a break! As for the Kikuyus, after sacking all Kalenjins from government, can they pretend to be friends with the same Kalenjins now? Too sad he will never be the President of Kenya. He could only be when elections will be open to thieves only. God save Kenya from the Ruto evil schemes. 3] Uhuru Kenyatta This is the only person who abdicated the office of the leader of official opposition to join a sitting president who happens to be his tribesman. The case was so clear; power to remain in the house of mumbi for ever. Then he came out to organize the mungiki attack against the Luo in Naivasha. He even said as much in several rallies across central province. He is the only person besides Ruto who appears deeply tribal even as he wants the presidency. He hates the Luo with a passion. Honestly, can Kenyans choose such an avowed tribalist to the presidency. The little said about Uhuru the better. Just watch him, look at his eyes and tell me if you can see leadership. The man is so angry. He could kill all the Luos on sight. 4] Migingo Island Has it ever crossed your mind that the Commander-in- Chief of our Armed Forces has kept a studious silence as Uganda annexes Migingo Island ? Do you ever know what he discusses with Museveni? Do you remember how with the help of Museveni they killed many people in kisumu? That should tell you what Kibaki is. 5] Kenyans I must be very clear on this. Kenya has 42 tribes officially. Since Independence we have had 2 Kikuyu presidents and 1 Kalenjin President. Time has come for someone else. These people have proved that they cannot manage the affairs of Kenya to the best interest of Kenyans. Kenya is a failed state basically due to the inept leadership from the 2 Kikuyus and the 1 Kalenjin. Not that the Kikuyus and the Kalenjins are bad. But Uhuru and Ruto are the wrong people to tell Kenyans what Kenyans want. Uhuru was imposed on leadership against his will, while Ruto does not see any leadership position from which he cannot steal. Kenyans must move on and test someone else. That someone else will be Raila Odinga. He is the only person present on the scene who can inspire change if given the reigns. Look at how cool the man is as he is being conned of leadership by Kibaki. Look at how cool the man is as Ruto plays childish games at his backyard. Look at how cool he is handlying his duties against all huddles. He has the level head that can hold Kenya together. Let us give him a try and shun tribalism to the dustbin of history. Oh, what about Kalonzo Musyoka? He is lost. ? Kamau J Njuguna. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar MARKETPLACE ________________________________ From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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For such a person, morals becomes secondary and irrelevant with time hence sin becomes something to exalt and defend in the name of human rights. If Africa came out of poverty today, the many churches in town my disappear in 5 years and if they survive, they will have small and highly compromised congregations. Jesus spoke of it being easier for a camel to go through a needle hole that a rich man entering heaven. Pray that we will remain a humble people even when Kenya will have emerged from poverty, else we will go the way of Europe. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, josiah ogalo wrote: From: josiah ogalo Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: New constitution To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:27 AM John, Thanks for telling us what you do in the USA, telecommuting. You have very good ideas, why not come back home and help in their implementation? That is what I call arm-chair ideologies......my friends repentance? What of the USA where prostitution has been legalized? I hate people like you who always after running away from home in the thought of greener pasture abroad try and look down upon us who remain to be productive back here......watch out how you express yourself? Only Kenyans can help change this nation by putting in good leaders (shunning tribal chiefs) and maintaining pressure for good results.....God has given us the choice.....of electing good leadership! Speaking with one voice I agree is what we need to do.....all nations the world over underwent such problems....recall the great London fire, in Europe, their father were not stupid to demarcate France a territory, England likewise, Germany the same etc etc.....they fought very gory wars.....in US, there were serious problems in their bid to industrialize.... Please you are the lost brains Kenya needs to move ahead......as a nation advances, so do the sin levels....check England, USA, Canada, France etc where prostitutes, hedonism has been taken to the highest levels.....so my question is, is industrialization related to sin? My take Regards Josiah Ogalo On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:18 AM, John Kamau wrote: To all? the Elite,? and Kenyans in General, I read the Kenyan news papers as well as watch several local and international news? about Kenya on electronic media, I call Kenya several times a day. Some of you who know of the American Economic rat race will ask me how a manage?all?this.?To set your minds at ease, am self employed and can talk as I drive and watch and listen to the news as I work in my private office. I pray that the level of debate that is so often demonstrated by most of the contributors in this forum will move a notch higher as I introduce what in my opinion is the only choice left for Kenya? if we are to ever lift the lives of our people from their current dire poverty,?raught upon them by unprecedented? poor leaders ship since independence. Like i have repeatedly stated in this forum Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, Karua Kalonzo, THAT other guy/ lady, you or me are not Going to save Kenya. The International community through the likes of Annan nor the Election of Obama in the US will not save Kenya. Kenya will be saved from its current Political and? social Economic crises?through; A) Repentance and fervent prayers by all of us who know God. B) A new constitution designed for the people by the people. A constitution designed to govern all the people by creating strong structures of governance which shall not be Manipulated by a person , group of persons;? no matter what status such people shall posses. Is there a way we particularly the young professionals can speak in one Voice NOW?;? ask Kibaki and Raila to STOP EVERYTHING else and Give Kenya anew Constitution NOW. The? country is? seating on a time bomb and all we here and see from this two is Alignment and realignment for 2012. We want a New Constitution Now. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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If you look at the problems in the Grand Colaition keenly with an open mind not poluted by any political leaning then you would agree with me that the Buck Must Stop with the President. Even with the National Accord signed on February 28th 2008, the President remains the HEAD OF STATE and HEAD OF GOVERNMENT. Its therefore a big fallacy to talk of two principals as Kenyans have been made to believe. Real power still rests with the President and he MUST TAKE POLITICAL RESPONSIBILITY for the mess in the Coalition. Given that he is the Chief Executive Officer of a company called Kenya-He must also take ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY. There are no two ways to this. ? Even in 2007,If the President who had enomous powers even by then wanted FREE and Fair elections, we could have had free and fair elections and so some Kenyans must stop this conspiracy of BLAMING EVERYBODY because apparently the President that they support has totally failed and so to cushion his failure..they blame everybody and call for everybody to go come 2012..This is nonsense. There are some leaders in this coalition who are reform minded and have always been reform minded and need to steer this country forward. Kenyans couldnt believe when Raila as the PM supported legal demonstrations of the students against the killing of their colleague and the general insecurity in the country..People that what DEMOCRATS are made of..Demonstrations and prostest are legal means of expresions in a democracy..and the PM was right on this point. ? Lets not loose focus just because someone has failed to lead..Lets not loose focus just becuase sycophants are singing the loudest for the one who has failed to lead this country.. We too who are progress must press on with our agenda of reform..but we do need some of these people in this government who are reform minded even come 2012. Lets not delude ourselves that come 2012 we shall have 222 new MPs and a new President not from this groups. We shall have new people but some of these people will be valuable for the reform we are talking about. If one has totally failed as he has and the world can see..lets not put blame on everybody..You and Me know very well that the PM cannot sack Alfred Mutua-he speaks on behalf of the President..the PM cannot sack Wako..the constitution only allows the President to form a tribunal to sack him..the PM cannot sack the Police Commissioner-only the President can..so lets be serious when debating these issues..Lets demand nothing but a NEW CONSTITUTION..It surely will be the starting point for recovery..national unity..cohesion and development... ? ? ? --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Truphena O. Awuor wrote: From: Truphena O. 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Don't spend major time with minor people. If there are ? people in your life that continually disappoint you, break promises, stomp on your dreams, too judgmental, have different values and don't give their backing during difficult times...that is not a friend. ? To have a friend, be a friend. Sometimes in life as you ? grow, your friends will either grow or go. Surround yourself with people who reflect values, goals interests and lifestyle. ? When I think of any of my successes, I am thankful to GOD from whom all blessings flow, and to my family and friends that enrich my life. ? Over the years my phone book has changed because I changed ? for the better. At first you think you're going to be alone, but after a while new people show up in your life that make your life so much sweeter and easier to endure. ? Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a ? feather flock together. If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: ? Chickens Can't ?Fly! ? I love the Lord and thank Him for all that he does in my ? life, therefore, I'm passing this on. Yes I do love Jesus. He is my source of existence and Savior. He keeps me functioning each and everyday...... Without Him, I would be nothing. ? Without Him, I am nothing but with Him I can do all ? things. Phil 4:13 ? ?Walk by faith ? ?Not by sight ? Receive God's blessings! ? ? ? ? God Bless ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <273960.70490.qm@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If there is one expression that I hear several times daily, its the expression, "I have changed my mind!" >From time to time, as some customers unload their merchandise into a belt, you see them handing you one or so items with the expression, "I have changed my mind and therefore don't want this!" Every time that this happens, I can't help but try to run through ones trip from home to the store and finally at the register. Note the following: -A time comes when one decides to go to the store -He or she makes a list of what is needed -He or she supposedly carries enough money -At the store, one going around picking and filling the card -Now the question is:"what leads one to change his or her mind at the last minute. Come to think about it, this change of mind has done more damage to some people than others realize. Check out the following. -You plan to go on a trip with someone so as to travel in one car and save some money. A day before your departure, someone calls to tell you of the change of mind. -You find yourself in need of money for an urgent project. A friend promises to assist and because of that you stop looking for someone to let you some money. The same calls at the last minute with stories that don't help. -I have heard of cases where a bridegroom or bride and changed his/her mind at the last minute -I have heard of couples who have been happily married for many years, change their mind, pack and leave ! -A fiend decides to sell another friend a car but changes his/her mind at the last minute and sells the car to another person -There are many that are changing their minds by stopping to go to church Well, the list is long, but the request is brief: "Before you change your mind will you please take time and think of how your change of mind will affect others? Will you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From amosogal at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 00:56:36 2009 From: amosogal at gmail.com (Lee Makwiny) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:56:36 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? In-Reply-To: References: <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08B38@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <195432.59839.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3C9AB34CE3791646A4E19CCBFEB072586E96C08C1D@Exchangesvr.dayliff.co.ke> <594ded440903160431v35dfdf4dvdbd783ebf62357fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <594ded440903162156k82cad9dsbcf666ebba295f21@mail.gmail.com> Kamau, I like your article. Infact, its a well thought out. I agree with you that in some instances, there has been rigging. When Paddy Ahenda won narrowly during the by-election, it was due to the fact that by-elections are never taken seriously in Luo Nyanza, for instance, there have been several instances where Kanu won civic elections in Nyanza in the past. The case of Mwanga was different. He did not belong to the party. He was sponsored and if it was not the case, he could have ended up the winner at the polls as Kabando, Githunguri and even several others who were rigged. On 3/16/09, Mundia Kamau wrote: > > None of the commentators against Leo Odera Omolo's article seems to > acknowledge the massive rigging that took place during the party nominations > that preceded the stolen 2007 presidential election. This indeed applies to > all parties that contested the 2007 general elections > > In Ugenya constituency for instance, the ODM nomination was heinously > stolen from Stephen Mwanga by Hon. James Orengo. In Bondo constituency > itself, there was massive disenchantment that at one time saw Dr. Oburu > Odinga being stoned off a podium. There are then the contentious nominations > of Gerald Otieno Kajwang in Mbita, Prof. Peter Anyang Nyongo in Kisumu Rural > & Jakoyo Midiwo in Gem. Mind you, I refer to the party nominations. The same > is true for the PNU party nominations & ODM-Kenya party nominations. For > instance Kabando wa Kabando & Eng. Ephraim Maina were denied the PNU party > nominations in Mukurweini and Mathira respectively, though both made to > parliament nevertheless. Prof. Saitoti also openly stole the election in > Kajiado North > > All these descrepancies at the primary level of the elections were > overshadowed by President Kibaki's ultimate theft of the election on 30th > December 2007 > > Leo Odera Omolo may be right or wrong but I would certainly not dismiss his > claims, given the numerous unanswered questions & issues relating to the > 2007 elections in general e.g. the ones I mention above > > I am not a Luo & do not have first hand knowledge on Luo politics, but from > a layman's point of view, it is not hard to detect the massive > disenchantment in Luo Nyanza, & Kenya as a whole for that matter. Mind you > to divert, not all Kikuyus voted for PNU in the 2007 general election e.g. > the two examples I give above + Hon. Stanley Githuunguri in Kiambaa, who won > on a Safina ticket > > Otieno Kajwang for instance, to give another illustration further back, was > rigged in in Mbita during the LDP grassroots elections which were held soon > after the 2005 referendum, as I recall. The by-election won by Hon. Paddy > Ahenda following the demise of the late Peter Owidi, was also narrowly lost > by KANU...! KANU of all parties narrowly losing a parliamentary seat in Luo > Nyanza, soon after the epic 2002 general election! > > The outcome of the 2007 general election is heavily complicated on > different fronts > > These heavy complications will not end pleasantly, and in saying so I am > not only referring to Luo Nyanza, but Kenya as a whole > > We are in deep & very serious trouble > > Michael M. Kamau, > http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Tom Onditi wrote: > >> Leo?s mail is wishful. It is not an analysis that it declares it is. It >> makes claims about groups that don?t exist and from among who he claims he >> knows none. Many times you don?t know whether you are reading from a >> reporter?s account or propaganda or indeed just a rumor mill. There is a >> serious credibility problem with that mail. I?d suggest the likes of Anthony >> keep the champagne just a little longer >> >> >> >> *From:* youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto: >> youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lee Makwiny >> *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2009 2:31 PM >> >> *To:* youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN >> NYANZA LUOS? >> >> >> >> I think the truth is simple: There is no 6vs2, thats a wrong conclusion. >> As much as NEP popolation equal embakasi, it important for everyone to >> appreciate that the elections were stollen, as Karua did, as Kivuitu did and >> many more people will follow suit. >> >> >> >> The other fact is that there is NO way SOUTH Nyanza will rebel again the >> People's President. There is no place where the man has support than SN and >> its here where he got the highest turnout of vote. And the other truth is >> that none of the MPs from that place is capable to taking on Raila the way >> Ochuodho did, and to some extend the way Dalmas did. If they try, they will >> loose big time. I can bet on this. >> >> >> >> The other truth is that MPS are thieves. Very true, they have refused to >> pay taxes. We tried to change alot of this things by voting a government >> that could be accountable to us and bring the change we wanted but >> unfortunately, coz of tribalism and self interest, it never was. >> >> >> >> On 3/16/09, *Anthony Wangondu* wrote: >> >> Bwana Otieno, >> You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing >> to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I >> think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, >> as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being >> touted. Let me highlight a few: >> 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't >> matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to >> Embakasi constituency (for example) >> Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve >> half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country >> as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT >> his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now >> using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very >> removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they >> bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very >> different set of beliefs from them. >> >> What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - >> tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at >> their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting >> anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied >> tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have >> shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton >> did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, >> etc etc) and instead started right where the people are, identifying with >> their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. >> >> So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you >> starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes >> I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and >> pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading >> the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the >> politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com [mailto: >> youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno >> Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN >> NYANZA LUOS? >> >> >> >> Bwana Wangondu, >> I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of >> 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. >> You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won >> six provinces. >> The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl >> by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but >> didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. >> Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally >> comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal >> chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing >> power. please respond. >> Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind >> us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their >> faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They >> even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. >> South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing >> rebellion is in for arude shock. >> >> >> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu >> wrote: >> >> > From: Anthony Wangondu >> > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN >> NYANZA LUOS? >> > To: "youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com" < >> youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com> >> > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM >> > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from >> > half loaf? >> > What is this about 6 provinces? >> > >> > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to >> > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc >> > >> > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him >> > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to >> > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be >> > wary and aware. >> > >> > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say >> > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your >> > analysis of what he stands for! >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of >> > Lordvick Otieno >> > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 >> > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com; >> > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com; Wananchi at yahoogroups.com; >> > African_Union at yahoogroups.com; Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com; >> > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com; ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com; >> > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION >> > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? >> > >> > >> > >> > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give >> > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. >> > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not >> > only Luo Nyanza. >> > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out >> > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. >> > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they >> > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not >> > right. >> > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and >> > that's why they always stick with him. >> > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to >> > Kenyans an alternative. >> > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau >> > wrote: >> > >> > > From: Mundia Kamau >> > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING >> > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? >> > > To: Mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, >> > kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, Wananchi at yahoogroups.com, >> > African_Union at yahoogroups.com, Mwananchi at yahoogroups.com, >> > AfroCentrikWorld at yahoogroups.com, ChatAfriK at yahoogroups.com, >> > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > From: Leo Odera Omolo >> > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM >> > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY >> > SOUTHERN >> > > NYANZA LUOS? >> > > To: citnewspaper at yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo.com, >> > > oped at nytimes.co.uk, >> > > news at bbc.co.uk, editor at guardianunlimited.co.uk >> > > Cc: editor at guardian.co.tz, itnews >> > > , InsideAfrica at cnn.com, >> > > icpubs at africasia.com, news desk >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? >> > > >> > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF >> > GOVERNMENT?S >> > > PLUM JOBS >> > > >> > > >> > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo >> > > >> > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater >> > Southern >> > > Nyanza region says >> > > that tension is building up between the supporter of >> > the >> > > Prime Minister >> > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional >> > caucus. >> > > >> > > It has been revealed that the professionals and >> > academician >> > > s from the >> > > region have of late been holding behind the scene >> > > consultative meetings in >> > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way >> > forward >> > > on how the >> > > residents can free and separated themselves from the >> > Odinga >> > > ?s family >> > > influence. >> > > >> > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the >> > > government?s plum jobs, >> > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the >> > effort >> > > to revive the >> > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya >> > > Breweries Kisumu plant , >> > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. >> > > >> > > The group, according to impeccable source have been >> > holding >> > > secret meetings >> > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even >> > in the >> > > lakeside City of >> > > Kisumu. >> > > >> > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, >> > > academicians and some >> > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way >> > > forward to build >> > > another centre of power gravitation inside >> > Luo-Nyanza, >> > > which is devoid of >> > > the Odinga?s influence. .But which could work with >> > any >> > > group of Kenyan >> > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal >> > > relations for mutual >> > > benefits of Kenyans. >> > > >> > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to >> > pressurize >> > > any government of >> > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into >> > three >> > > Provinces., that >> > > would groups the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped >> > > together in one >> > > administrative Province with its headquarters in >> > Kisii >> > > town, and the third >> > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, >> > Homa-Bay, >> > > Nyatike, Migori, >> > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed >> > headquarters >> > > in either >> > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. >> > > >> > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild >> > of the >> > > late Hezekiah N >> > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary >> > in-charge of >> > > Provincial >> > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed >> > the >> > > power devolution >> > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new >> > Province >> > > covering Southern >> > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii >> > town. >> > > >> > > However, years later during the Constitutional >> > dispensation >> > > conference held >> > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the >> > proposal >> > > was vehemently >> > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as >> > an >> > > attempt to divide >> > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. >> > > >> > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge >> > basket >> > > for his own >> > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of >> > the >> > > idea felt that the >> > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be >> > > beneficial to the >> > > region because it will attract more government >> > funding. >> > > >> > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now >> > > revisited the idea once >> > > again. >> > > >> > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in >> > Nyanza and >> > > that there is >> > > the need for the region?s residents to built several >> > new >> > > centre of power to >> > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza >> > regions. >> > > >> > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that >> > of >> > > the Minister for >> > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for >> > > Rongo, the Immigration >> > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and >> > that of >> > > the youthful >> > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant >> > Minister >> > > for Internal >> > > Security. >> > > >> > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a >> > party >> > > many Luos believed to >> > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization >> > and >> > > political suppression >> > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo >> > Kenyatta >> > > and the retired >> > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that >> > the >> > > Minister has >> > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of >> > the >> > > overall community >> > > leadership. >> > > >> > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too >> > childish >> > > and not a serious >> > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of >> > leading >> > > the Luo to a higher >> > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen >> > as an >> > > achiever and a >> > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his >> > > hitherto backward >> > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic >> > > development. >> > > >> > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving >> > loyalty >> > > to Raila Odinga. >> > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed >> > the >> > > Ministerial >> > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in >> > 2005 >> > > in solidarity >> > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. >> > > >> > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the >> > > allocation and >> > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand >> > coalition >> > > government shared >> > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the >> > Prime >> > > Minister Raila >> > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant >> > Minister >> > > instead of the >> > > full cabinet. Instead Raila had favoured Otieno >> > Kajwang? >> > > who got away with >> > > the Immigration ministerial slot. >> > > >> > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate >> > comment. >> > > He said to be >> > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any >> > > governmental or >> > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever >> > since >> > > the formation of >> > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be >> > extremely >> > > loyal to his friend >> > > the Prime Minister. >> > > >> > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out >> > clean, is >> > > the allegations >> > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of >> > the >> > > joint officiasl >> > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar >> > > Companies, and allegedly >> > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure >> > of >> > > the two joint >> > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich >> > Bett. >> > > The two have been >> > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for >> > the >> > > last four years, >> > > but have failed to turn them around. Farmers have >> > gone for >> > > months without >> > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani >> > closed >> > > down a couple of >> > > years ago. >> > > >> > > >> > > Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a >> > > brother-in-law to Dr. >> > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who >> > is >> > > also an Assistant >> > > Minister for Finance. >> > > >> > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently >> > released >> > > ten tractors, >> > > which were donated bny the UNDP to the Nyanza >> > Province for >> > > the purpose of >> > > improving agricultural activities in the region. >> > Raila >> > > released the tractors >> > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other >> > agriculturally >> > > rich regions where >> > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving >> > food >> > > production in >> > > the region.. >> > > >> > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be >> > secretly >> > > backing the >> > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern >> > region >> > > from those from >> > > Bondo and Siaya. >> > > >> > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for >> > > having taken bold >> > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted >> > from >> > > the controversial >> > > Mau Forest Complex in the South Rift, he is at the >> > same >> > > time being accused >> > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue >> > for >> > > the resuscitation >> > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the >> > improvement >> > > of the fishing >> > > industry in Lake Victoria.. >> > > >> > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime >> > > Minister for lack of >> > > total commitment in the real task of poverty >> > eradication. >> > > Instead, the PM is >> > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero >> > > worshipping and >> > > sycophancy. >> > > >> > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be >> > routing >> > > for the communal >> > > harmonization between the Luos as and the >> > neighbouring >> > > communities >> > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at >> > the >> > > same time blaming >> > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting >> > > politics of hatred.. >> > > >> > > The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said >> > to be >> > > reaching their >> > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. >> > Several >> > > night meeting are >> > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and >> > Nairobi. >> > > >> > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker >> > reportedly >> > > denounced the >> > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in >> > Luo >> > > circumcised as one >> > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that >> > such >> > > trivialities >> > > should not be the priority of the person holding such >> > > covenanted position of >> > > Premier to handle. >> > > >> > > ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the >> > > community?s priority. There >> > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with >> > his Luo >> > > parliamentary >> > > colleagues. >> > > >> > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war >> > between >> > > Raila and >> > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. >> > The >> > > professionals are >> > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by >> > Dr. >> > > Oburu Oginga on >> > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign >> > over >> > > the maize >> > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full >> > of >> > > arrogance and as >> > > such misplaced.. >> > > >> > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the >> > bad >> > > habit of rushing >> > > to the press on every single issue in this >> > country..They >> > > must learn to be >> > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated >> > comments >> > > on contentious >> > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at >> > all >> > > cost. >> > > >> > > We were not able to establish the names of the >> > professional >> > > and politicians >> > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila >> > Odinga >> > > from the Southern >> > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings >> > have >> > > taken place in >> > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. The group have scathingly >> > > criticized Raila for >> > > having distributed government plum jobs to his kith >> > and kin >> > > from Bondo and >> > > Siaya. >> > > >> > > Ends >> > > leooderaomolo at yahoo,com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Jambo mailing list >> > > Jambo at publiceyesite.org >> > > >> > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > A warm welcome to >> > > >> > http://www.geocities.com/michael_mundia_kamau/mypage.html >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
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URL: From dkilonzi at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 03:26:10 2009 From: dkilonzi at gmail.com (David Kilonzi) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:26:10 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: We Have to rescue or bail out our companies now In-Reply-To: <54e76b740903162354q7fa56e45k269e204eb4796a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <54e76b740903162354q7fa56e45k269e204eb4796a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Why rescue companies that go down because of thievery of their owners. Is Standard Assurance the only insurance in Kenya!? WHy rescue it? What calamity has befallen Kenyan for its collapse. We should not ape what others are doing. Our banks are making billions. So what has befallen the western world and their called sophistication has exposed their economy to be not as sophisticated as they claimed!! We shall survive without Discount Securities et al. But criminal charges should be preferred to the thieves in these organizations. On 17/03/2009, amenya gibson wrote: > > Hello people > I have looked at Obama rescue stimulus package not being good for we third > world countries Obama is introducing protectionism of American Industries. > Making the dollar start to appreciate again wooie brace for* New > Dollarisation* regime again from *Yuanization*-China currency > > So I feel that the time has come now for Kenyans to begin serious and soul > searching on rescuing our companies . > > They are falling at very alarming rate and some are falling in statutory > management read Discount Securities, Standard Assurance Pan Paper etc > > For those who know what I mean you will understand the multiple ripple > effect of a company going under,there is a whole chain of investors too > getting ropped in,suppliers will lose where to sell their products,customers > will losewhere to buy their goods and services,government will lose on taxes > and this will hinder its development programs just like now where there is > no money for Free Education > > There is need we re-look at how our companies operate,there is need to > review corporate governance. > > Am not advocating for salary reductions but time has come we look at how we > pay bonuses and allowances to company executives > > We have created a dysfunctional financial system that hasonly in long term > created the widening gap between the poor and rich. > > I may suggest a broad based taxation will enable this country spread > wealth, so that the social upheaval that we are currently witnessing will > not go up so fast as we are witnessing now > > Capital management in this country need serious relook. > > Hon Uhuru must as a matter of urgency study the rules on capital flight > controls > > I rest my case Yps > > Thanks > Gibson Amenya > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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In-Reply-To: <181c75910903170019k68e9f10q671ea4553027c925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <748786.51542.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> YPS, ? Reading this article I got really encouraged to know that most Kenyans, are willing to at least change this country. We are being challenged everyday by the demoratic countries who have gone before us to look and see the bright light ahead that shines so bright. Kenya has many people especially intellects that are yearning for change. It even gets better, many others are willing to pay the price to see that this lovely country of ours is reformed and that every Kenyan is living a better day than the previous one. ? Question is are we as Kenyans willing to pay the ultimate prize to see Kenya change,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not for the worst like we have seen in this year but for the very best. If I look back, I think I can authoritatively say that we are not better than we were last year. One major issue. For me, I suggest we start dealing with the issue of TRIBALISM in our individual capacities. We are all tribal deep deep in our hearts if only we would be honest. I come across so many of our gneration who would not date a Kamba, a kikuyu, a kalenjin. This is based on what? Tribe! Not personality. Meaning, even if you met a Kamba who has all the values you desire in your partner but were of the tribe you would not give them achance. Let us be honest with ourselves so that we can solve it. ? Most of us -- When a commission has been formed, the first thing we do is to count how many Kambas, Luos, Luhyas, Kikuyus, Mijikendas, Kales and so on. And finally wee count how many of our tribsmen are in nthe panl. We will start complaining without even a consideration of their competitiveness. We would first run to pick our clansmen for any opportunities and positions?that arise, we would rather marry from our tribes, we will support our own whether they steal and?are corrupt. We do not want politicians from our tribes to be mentioned negatively, whether we also suspect them of mideeds neither shouold their actions be criticized. It starts with me and you. ? As 2012, draws nigh, ar you as an individual willing to look at qualities, values, policies beside any other point or WILL IT BE YOUR TIME TO EAT???? ? My two cents worth. ? ? --- On Tue, 3/17/09, josiah ogalo wrote: From: josiah ogalo Subject: [YP_Ke] IN TERMS OF DEMOCRACY..WE'RE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND!!!!!! To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 12:19 AM YPS_Ke, I arrived late home yesterday night after a long day. As usual I turned on my TV and since there was no interesting program to watch, I changed the channel to CNBC. The debate I found there was very informative. A Republican Senator (California state) was being interviewed on the set of options taken by Democrats - Obama administration to Jump start the US economy - they offer very informative and good analysis of what should be done and what the outcome will be....showing that they understand financial matters and economics. Mark you the media even goes to ask the interviewee how many times they voted while in the senate against or for some policies and for what reasons - simply because it was a republican bill or because they deemed it fit to the interest of American people.The quality of the debates are just far interesting..... What of our MPS? How many ever come out to try and even explain what the government needs to do to raise revenue, tax policies to adopt to maximize on revenue, cutting expenditure and regulating capital markets? Whenever these guys attend a rally, what do we hear " I used to be the briefcase carrier for Mr Ruto...sasa hiyo nimeachia Kutuny" "Pepo mbaya kutoka Lake Victoria ilikuja na ikatugawanya" "If we don' remain united as a community...we shall be finished".....for sure as long as we continue with such kind of politcal rallies and calibre of MPS/Leaders......we are headed for doom and it is said we may mock Anna Kofi, but come 2012 as Kriegler said, it shall be a christmas party! In the debate ahead before the Californian Senator was interviewed, talks were on jump starting the economy -the middle working class, capital gains tax, government spending, legalizing abortiong etc etc. The came the most interesting question which Republican Chief Whip tried to avoid like leprosy......in his answering he was ver aversive! "Did anyone blow the whistle that something was wrong with our mortgage industry and what did the administration do? Was it knowable in advance in early 2007 that America's economy would go south? What were the aerly warning signs what things would go wrong? I think is we're to go by such levels of enlightenment and political awareness.....guys nobody in this called coalition - read President, Prime Minister, Cabinet Ministers would stand in 2012 and make it back! With the maize scandal, triton saga, etc......this is mismanagement of the highest order! We need to raise the bar next time a leader stands to address any rally......any person in the media please, give some of these people blackout when they echo tribalist sentiments at their public fundtions.....or expose these vices and educate the public appropriately on the benefits of remaining united as one Kenya, One people!!!! Just the other day, the media 24 hour campaign to feed 10 million starving Kenyans proved that we in Kenya alone can feed our suffering brothers and sisiters.......I tell you the way in which people supported this cause....then come election time tutaambiwa...we must remain united as a community.......I queued to donate my contribution with fellow Kenyans from various tribes and it was great just sharing while waiting to make our donation and Ilove it....We can peopel,,,we can! Regards Josiah Ogalo --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Carol Abiero -------------------- Carramore International Ltd P O Box 11778-00100 NAIROBI --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Sam Mwaura wrote: From: Sam Mwaura Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: For all Drunkards To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:34 AM Hi Felix, Linda ? Thanks for your responses and? I really respect your views. Since the moderator has chosen to ignore my question, I will let it rest there. I have also taken the liberty to check on the description of the group which to my surprise supports your argument. "youngprofessionals_ke is an online group of young professionals in Kenya whose main objective is to inform our members of emerging opportunities for them to enhance their professional and leadership skills, to make a positive social impact and to learn new business and investing opportunities"? I dare say, a lot has changed.... ? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Felix Otiato wrote: ? Sam, ? My understanding of YP was that it was all inclusive of all muslims, christians, drunkards, etc. regardless of those who started the forum. ? On 3/16/09, Beatrice Akinyi wrote: Things are bound to change I think. God welcomes the sinners and drunkards, preach to them my brother ;-) --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Sam Mwaura wrote: From: Sam Mwaura Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: For all Drunkards To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 3:02 AM Simiyu, ? Like Odhis, I am also suprised that there would be drunkands in this forum. When I joined, it was/ and I still belief it was a forum for Young christian professionals who attended NPC woodley then. Moderator, have things changed? ? Sam ? On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Simiyu wrote: OdhIs, That is your opinion not a fact which means you are drunk!!!How did you know that there are no drunkards in this forum? On Mar 11, 1:04?pm, "\"Remorque\"" wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Mathews wrote: > > Read and also learn. > > >http://www.funpages.com/alphabet/ > > > Enjoy! > > Hey Matt, > > There are no drunkards in this forum :-) > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/????????????+254722743223??????? > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a > baby." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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As you can recall, there was a time when out of ignorance and by following the traditions of his forefathers,the Apostle Paul persecuted those that called the name of God. He was so zealous about his mission that he caused the death of Stephen, an outspoken deacon. So as you can imagine, he made himself a lot of enemies! On his way to Damascus for the same mission, the good Lord who knew what Paul was capable of doing. met him, forgave him, and commissioned him to take the good news to the Gentiles. Many, however, had hard time accepting the Apostle Paul. All they remembered of him, was that he was a persecutor and a killer. Therefore nothing he said or did,made sense to them! Many were ready and willing to revenge than forgive him for all what he had done to them! In other words, their joy would only be satisfied if he too suffered for the sins he had committed! What about our time? It's possible that in our travels on earth, -We have knowingly or unknowingly wronged someone -We have been responsible for the death of some people -We have stolen from a dear friend or deprived people who trusted us -We have been responsible for the firing of someone -We have written, influenced others or gone around saying mean and false things about someone On the other hand, its possible that you have been the victim; That is to say that friends, relatives or fellow believers have done any of the above to you. And so the question to each one of us is this: Which one is easy or will make you happy and satisfied? To revenge or to forgive? There are three that have always spoken to my heart on the subject of forgiveness: -The young man Joseph, who not only forgave his brothers but also helped them with all their needs. He left revenge to the Lord of the universe. If you have time, read his story as found in the book of Genesis -Our Lord forgave His persecutors at the cross-Luke 23:34 -Stephen,the deacon, forgave his persecutors-Acts 7:60 -When on earth, the man of Galilee taught that we'll never be forgiven unless we have learned to forgive others.Mathew 18:15-35 -He further taught us to leave revenge to Him Has anyone ever wronged you? Do you have grudges with anyone? Are there people that you either don't want to see or hear anything about them? Are they people that you feel should be punished for you to be happy? So, which one is easier for you or would you rather do? Revenge or forgive? As always, my choice is to forgive! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From prcanb at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 22:30:37 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] A very mean grand-Ma! Message-ID: <637680.46098.qm@web38704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> She really made me mad! Except for the fact that two wrongs don't make it right, I should have told her point blank that her meanness to my little friend was not necessary! Here is what happened! Today, a mean grand ma came through my register with her teenager daughter and grand daughter-6 years. While at the register, the grand daughter being a child started playing around and boy! the grand ma not only yelled at her, but also spank her in public! Everybody was like what? Her behavior brought into my memory some of the things that I have witnessed at various places directed against the little ones! Here are some! -Some parents are so mean to the little ones -Some grown ups use children as a scape goat. They do things but blame it on the kids -Some grown ups teach children bad manners by talking things they are not supposed to hear or by engaging in activities that way beyond their age. -Some parents buy their children things that they are not supposed to . -Some parents spoil their children and then turn around and blame all others including God! -Some parents spoil their children by allowing them to watch nasty videos -By neglecting family worship, some parents teach their children that family worship is not all that important -Some parents teach their children bad manners by drinking and smoking in their presence! As parents/adults, we should treat the little ones the same way Jesus treated them. Here is a reminder list: -Proverbs 22:6 Teach a child in the way, he should go, and when he is old, he will not part from it. -Let us treat children as candidates of the heavenly kingdom -Let us remind ourselves that children are smarter than we realize. Let us not do things thinking that they don't know -Let us avoid yelling at the children even when they haven't done anything! -Let us bear with their little mind and redirect their too much energy. Shall we? Just athought. Pr Birai From prcanb at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 09:16:18 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Which one is easier?: Revenge or forgiveness? Message-ID: <200572.48988.qm@web38706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My devotion this morning took me to the book of Acts, where the main character was the Apostle Paul! At the end of my devotion, I came out challenged to reflect on both revenge and forgiveness! As you can recall, there was a time when out of ignorance and by following the traditions of his forefathers,the Apostle Paul persecuted those that called the name of God. He was so zealous about his mission that he caused the death of Stephen, an outspoken deacon. So as you can imagine, he made himself a lot of enemies! On his way to Damascus for the same mission, the good Lord who knew what Paul was capable of doing. met him, forgave him, and commissioned him to take the good news to the Gentiles. Many, however, had hard time accepting the Apostle Paul. All they remembered of him, was that he was a persecutor and a killer. Therefore nothing he said or did,made sense to them! Many were ready and willing to revenge than forgive him for all what he had done to them! In other words, their joy would only be satisfied if he too suffered for the sins he had committed! What about our time? It's possible that in our travels on earth, -We have knowingly or unknowingly wronged someone -We have been responsible for the death of some people -We have stolen from a dear friend or deprived people who trusted us -We have been responsible for the firing of someone -We have written, influenced others or gone around saying mean and false things about someone On the other hand, its possible that you have been the victim; That is to say that friends, relatives or fellow believers have done any of the above to you. And so the question to each one of us is this: Which one is easy or will make you happy and satisfied? To revenge or to forgive? There are three that have always spoken to my heart on the subject of forgiveness: -The young man Joseph, who not only forgave his brothers but also helped them with all their needs. He left revenge to the Lord of the universe. If you have time, read his story as found in the book of Genesis -Our Lord forgave His persecutors at the cross-Luke 23:34 -Stephen,the deacon, forgave his persecutors-Acts 7:60 -When on earth, the man of Galilee taught that we'll never be forgiven unless we have learned to forgive others.Mathew 18:15-35 -He further taught us to leave revenge to Him Has anyone ever wronged you? Do you have grudges with anyone? Are there people that you either don't want to see or hear anything about them? Are they people that you feel should be punished for you to be happy? So, which one is easier for you or would you rather do? Revenge or forgive? As always, my choice is to forgive! How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From memberservices at anacweb.org Mon Mar 16 23:32:38 2009 From: memberservices at anacweb.org (memberservices at anacweb.org) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:32:38 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] Nigerians in USA Will Be Represented in Nigerian Senate - ANAC California Message-ID: <20090316203238.ad1f58ba49f852f53d44274d3e858974.5fd1014d07.wbe@email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liliankwmbk at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 07:41:03 2009 From: liliankwmbk at yahoo.com (lilian kwamboka) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: ANYONE WHO SELLS KUKU LIVE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <600424.27120.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Eunice,by live u mean kururu kurukuru as in bado iko na mabawa as in bado inaeza kimbia kuku in its kawa state ama?coz my pal sells kukuz but they chinja for u,and pack?ka za supermarket,u know wat i mean?ka bado unataka contact me. --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mathews wrote: From: Mathews Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: ANYONE WHO SELLS KUKU LIVE? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:27 AM Contact me offlist for further assistance. ? @Matt ? On 3/16/09, Eunice Ndungu wrote: Hi, I am looking for a supplier of Kuku, Live ones... anyone who knows where I can get such? any price for a single pc. Eunice Cell:254 20 2011233 email: shirokessy at yahoo.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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Message-ID: <117036.27743.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yap yap we always will. i am an individual but i do have a worldview. i am me and i want it now, change is the best virtue but it has to be both ways. Indians,Africans and whoever we are people and We pride ourselves on something. Well Kenyans are the ones to blame, the ministers, prof goerge saitoti, Moi, all the Mafia group inluding Total man (biwott) they sold kenya and they continue in the same route. Kenyans in power are the ones to blame. ? ?the Indians are scape goats!? you can't read don't sign contract! you are stupid slow and irritant Don't negotiate for the nation!? quit stealing from your own people and sitting in a Mercedes Benz bought with stolen money Earn your turf Kenyans the MPs Earn as much as american Senetors are people stupid or outright don't know!? Are are MPs trying to please satan? you are evil and malicious stop overpaying yourselves and please work for the money? hire people on Merit not family roots. ? The indians stop evading tax, like you quit your Mama's titty!? stop making bogus deals be patriotic a bout a country that housed you and your kin when you were kicked out of Uganda. it is fair to say kenya is multinational country and all races are welcome to compete and prevail. If you want to steal; steal from America and your tail will rot in Jail!? or you will loose you motel to the IRS the next day.? color has no basis here just doing what's right and just. ? Finally Kenya is an nation of laws and so it should be known by the calprits, one fine fine morning y'all shall pay. ? >From the USA; Red White and Blue --- On Thu, 3/12/09, kennedy ongige wrote: From: kennedy ongige Subject: Re: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [youngprofessionals_ke] Re: Asians: Racism or what is it about them?? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 3:51 AM Mohammed, There is need for us to call a spade a spade. Kenyans of Indian descent have contributed positively in the economy and the political aspirations of Kenyans. We need to cerebrate our diversity and embrace it with total vigor not by word alone but with deeds. Our generation should do away with ethnicity as a measure for our being. We are better when we see all Gods children as one. After staying and seen how Americans are trying painfully to forget their past and embrace the future as one nation, I'm totally convinced Kenyans will also follow suit. Americans past has been like a yoke? on their necks. Forging as two nations in one has been costly. We can also emulate them and live as one nation under God where we judge people based on their character but not the? pigmentation of their skin. Good luck. From: Mohamed Jiwa To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:35:26 AM Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: [youngprofessionals_ke] Re: Asians: Racism or what is it about them?? I am South East Asian African, second generation.? My father was born in Meru and my mother in Nairobi.? My grandparents were all from India and we have served both nations.? In this generation, I am sorry to say, very few step forward to serve and take a stand.? But I want to change that. I am a social responsibility writer.? I recommend you link to awaazmagazine.co.ke.? It might edify a lot of people about the contribution of Indian Africans in Kenya.? Also it may be a good idea to go to the museum.? I am told that there is a section there that is dedicated to our history in this beautiful country. I am happy to read the comments in this thread because it has helped to open up the subject. I can supply information which should help to remove the colour from those whose glasses are probably either cracked, sweaty or dusty, or even not properly prescribed by those who proclaim themselves to be the authorities on the subject.? But please contact me on an individual basis as I fear mob justice!? I am sure we can be friends on a level playing field, ie one to one. But Jayne I was taken aback by the statement from you as I did not expect you to be the type to stereotype people. Well, let's all now work at sifting the chaff from the wheat?? Noone likes middle class parasites.? Let's work to link up to save this country, please.? We all have strengths in different fields.? This kind of pluralism is the greatest of our advantages of all the countries in the world.? I strongly suggest we do not miss this opportunity. :-) Mohamed 2009/1/29 henry kamabi Hi I wont say they are bad even though none has been good to me.One thing that never bothers me is the fact that i think and know that i am special.i got my pride and believe i am the best. The color of my skin gives me this special pride and i believe its the same with them. I would advice,do your thing and let them do their thing....somehow that's why most of them worship their things.. regards, Henry On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Eliud Mwangi wrote: I agree with Odhis Indians sucks(for a better word) On 1/28/09, Jayne Wachira wrote: > I share in your sentiments brother........ > > Do you remember Keitan Somaia, Kamlesh Pattni now we have Devani..... What > is it with Asians? > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Mamlookie wrote: > >> Hello YPs, >> >> >> >> I have no prejudice against Asians, but I have serious beef with their >> resistance (for lack of a better word) towards integration with other >> Kenyans. This lot groove with the native African babes, but wait - try >> hooking up with one of them and you'll see fireworks!! I am not interested >> in one Asian as yet. I like them black, but I believe this Asian lot >> should >> either be Kenyans or leave. Yes, I support Idi Amin on this lot. Take me >> where you like. >> >> There ?is no single Asian on this forum, even as the membership nears >> 7000!! Is there a good reason why Asians have chosen to be "special class >> Kenyans"? >> >> >> >> PS: BTW, where is Franklyne Terewa? Still recovering from the shock of >> burglars' visit? Pole sana boss. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie Wood >> >> > >> > > > > -- G ?Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Since then, he has been paying fifteen US dollars every single night so as to dance -He loves dancing for three reasons: It's fun; He meets lots of ladies; and He has nothing else to do On inquiry, he further revealed that: -He is single, with no intention to marry as it is very expensive to maintain a woman -Due to much dancing, he is having hard time cooping with the new knee! After he left, I found myself thinking of what I had just heard! 73 years old, single, a dancer, paying fifteen dollars per night to dance, with a new knee! Well, if I were him, I would have done the following: -Take care of my new knee -Slow down and leave dancing alone -Get myself a wife My mind found itself reflecting on the people that the man of Galilee made while on earth: Who were they? -Some individuals who had been sick for many years -Some of them were responsible for their sickness. They did something silly that contributed to their sickness. How did He relate to them? He neither shunned or condemned anyone! However, to each one, the message was: "Go and sin no more lest worst thing happens to you!" It's sad to note that some of us are our greatest enemies. We eat, drink, and do some stuff that we know certainly that it will send us into our graves much earlier! There is no question that the man of Galilee still forgives, heals, and restores us to the position of sons and daughters of God. That said, we need to heed the message, "Go and sin no more!" Shall we? Just a thought Pr Birai From wachieng at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 08:12:53 2009 From: wachieng at yahoo.com (winnie) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: ANYONE WHO SELLS KUKU LIVE? References: <600424.27120.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <120058.61075.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> @ Lilian You have made me smile!!!! (below highlight!!) ________________________________ From: lilian kwamboka To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:41:03 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: ANYONE WHO SELLS KUKU LIVE? Eunice,by live u mean kururu kurukuru as in bado iko na mabawa as in bado inaeza kimbia kuku in its kawa state ama?coz my pal sells kukuz but they chinja for u,and pack?ka za supermarket,u know wat i mean?ka bado unataka contact me. --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mathews wrote: From: Mathews Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: ANYONE WHO SELLS KUKU LIVE? To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:27 AM Contact me offlist for further assistance. @Matt ? On 3/16/09, Eunice Ndungu wrote: Hi, I am looking for a supplier of Kuku, Live ones... anyone who knows where I can get such? any price for a single pc. 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The best they can do is to cause commotion. At school all they do is planning on how to be mischievous. They end up being expelled from school, being kicked out from their parent's homes or sometimes end up in jail -There are wives/husbands who are not only stubborn but very mean to their spouses. They live in their own world, do their own stuff and end up loosing both family and friends. Such are the standard to themselves! -There are fellow employees who are stubborn; so so stubborn that they will not listen even to the boss. Their reward is usually being fired. -There are people who feel like the world is theirs. This kind of thinking is supported from the kind of family they come from or what kind of position they hold at a given place of work -There are people who are so stubborn that they have no respect for any one. They are quick to curse, call others names, and treat everyone as if they are children.Even though such kind of people feel like they own everybody, time comes when life places them in their place. A good Biblical example will be Pharaoh, king of Egypt.He not only despised but also disregarded God's plea, "Let my people go so that they can worship me! Thinking that besides him, there was no any other great king, he vowed to never let the children of Israel leave as per God's instructions. Do you know what became of him? Listen to what the Bible tells us: -Egypt was destroyed because of his stubbornness -All the first born in Egypt were killed, thus dealing him a very severe blow -After God had set him aside, he went ahead to fulfill His promises of seeing His people out of Egypt! Eh, how do you see yourself? Is there any kind of stubbornness that dwells in you in any form? Do you think its about time to let it go? Just a thought. Pr Birai From kimanibernadette at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 04:42:30 2009 From: kimanibernadette at yahoo.com (bernadette kimani) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Africa Online Message-ID: <771302.43311.qm@web62505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi YP's , ? ??? Is there any YP?in this forum working with Africa Online.?Please contact me direct on my email address: kimanibernadette at gmail.com ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Message-ID: <819738.21538.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> None of the commentators against Leo Odera Omolo's article seems to acknowledge the massive rigging that took place during the party nominations that preceded the stolen 2007 presidential election. This indeed applies to all parties that contested the 2007 general elections In Ugenya constituency for instance, the ODM nomination was heinously stolen from Stephen Mwanga by Hon. James Orengo. In Bondo constituency itself, there was massive disenchantment that at one time saw Dr. Oburu Odinga being stoned off a podium. There are then the contentious nominations of Gerald Otieno Kajwang in Mbita, Prof. Peter Anyang Nyongo in Kisumu Rural & Jakoyo Midiwo in Gem. Mind you, I refer to the party nominations. The same is true for the PNU party nominations & ODM-Kenya party nominations. For instance Kabando wa Kabando & Eng. Ephraim Maina were denied the PNU party nominations in Mukurweini and Mathira respectively, though both made to parliament nevertheless. Prof. Saitoti also openly stole the election in Kajiado North All these descrepancies at the primary level of the elections were overshadowed by President Kibaki's ultimate theft of the election on 30th December 2007 Leo Odera Omolo may be right or wrong but I would certainly not dismiss his claims, given the numerous unanswered questions & issues relating to the 2007 elections in general e.g. the ones I mention above I am not a Luo & do not have first hand knowledge on Luo politics, but from a layman's point of view, it is not hard to detect the massive disenchantment in Luo Nyanza, & Kenya as a whole for that matter. Mind you to divert, not all Kikuyus voted for PNU in the 2007 general election e.g. the two examples I give above + Hon. Stanley Githuunguri in Kiambaa, who won on a Safina ticket Otieno Kajwang for instance, to give another illustration further back, was rigged in in Mbita during the LDP grassroots elections which were held soon after the 2005 referendum, as I recall. The by-election won by Hon. Paddy Ahenda following the demise of the late Peter Owidi, was also narrowly lost by KANU...! KANU of all parties narrowly losing a parliamentary seat in Luo Nyanza, soon after the epic 2002 general election! The outcome of the 2007 general election is heavily complicated on different fronts These heavy complications will not end pleasantly, and in saying so I am not only referring to Luo Nyanza, but Kenya as a whole We are in deep & very serious trouble Michael M. Kamau, http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com A warm welcome to http://michaelmundiakamau.webs.com --- On Mon, 16/3/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: [KOL] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: "ccr" , "Citizen" , editor at africanexecutive.com, "An East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange." , "Guardian" , "jaluo" , kenva at yahoogroups.com, kenyacitizensassembly at yahoogroups.com, "kol" , letters at eastandard.net, madaraka-kenya at yahoogroups.com, mediakenya at yahoo.co.uk, "mulembe" , mwanyagetinge at yahoogroups.com, NewVisionKenya at yahoogroups.com, next_kenya at yahoogroups.com, Openyourthirdeye at yahoogroups.com, "panafricanist" , pointb at eastandard.net, regionalnews at ppa.or.ke, "VOA" , youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com, "youthagenda" Cc: "africa-oped" , africare-newpublications at yahoogroups.com, "Bunge" , eastbureau at bbc.co.uk, editors at newsweek.com, KACA at yahoogroups.com, kenya-can at egroups.com, kenyaclub at yahoogroups.com, luo_forum at yahoo.co.uk, mailbox at nation.co.ke, mbonbani at yahoogroups.com, "mwananchi" , net-kenya at yahoogroups.com, "Africare- NewPublications" , "progressiveminds" , "siasa" , SonsofAfrika at yahoogroups.com, "Standard" , "Sunday Standard" , "ugandacom" , "citizens against violence" Date: Monday, 16 March, 2009, 1:10 PM --- On Mon, 3/16/09, odhiambo okecth wrote: From: odhiambo okecth Subject: Re: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 2:55 AM Mr, Maina, I have a very different take on this. My party loyalty has never come in the way in the course of what I am doing in life. At KCDN, we are supporting the Kenyan children. At this point, party loyalty is not entertained. I do not care where the child comes from. S/he is our child. This is also reflected on the kind of support KCDN receives. We have Friends from across the Kenyan tribes. We must encourage all Kenyans to be proud of being Kenyan, of being from their tribes, and of belonging to the various parties. By accepting these simple truths, we will move to a level headed competition. I will not be able to see you as a Kikuyu supporting PNU. You will not be able to see me as a Luo supporting Kalonzo Musyoka. I will not see the tribe in you. I will only see a Kenyan in you exercising his democratic right to electing a leader. At the political level, I support ODM, and this does not make PNU guys to be my enemies. This is what we ought to look at. To the extent that we should not label a whole tribe pepo mbaya from lake Victoria. That to me is myopic. Raila has never come on the podium to talk ill about any one tribe. I know he has Kenyans from all walks of life in his employment and that is how it ought to be. To be a leader, we must look at Kenya as our motherland and compete like athletes do; embrace at the end of the race. We all know what happened in 2007/8, and all that is now behind us. Let us give credit with honesty to our leaders. If we have leaders who want to ascent to the top position on the basis of division, just like the ill fated alliance dubed KK, we must rebuke them just like Jesus rebuked the devil. That is the pepo mbaya we do not need in Kenya. Kenya can not be built only on the alliance of the Kalenjin and the Kikuyu. Kenya is big and we must find roles for the other 40 tribes. Kenya can only be built by an alliance that seeks to end corruption, end impunity, forge a new constitution that guarantees the basic rights of each one of us, and an alliance that sees all Kenya in terms of placement, tenders and appreciation. In the same vein, Kenyans must reject an alliance that is purely exclussive, an alliance that aims at entrenching hatred, impunity and corruption. I do not mind a Kikuyu or Kalenjin being my president after Kibaki. But I do mind if Raila can be denied a chance to lead Kenya purely on the basis of tribal cheuvinism. Odhiambo T Oketch, CEO KCDN Nairobi, PO Box 47890-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. Tel; 0735 529 126, 0724 365 557, Email; komarockswatch@ yahoo.com, http://kcdnkomarock swatch.blogspot. com --- On Mon, 3/16/09, bedann maina wrote: From: bedann maina Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com Cc: bedan.maina@ gmail.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 1:09 AM Its funny how we rave and rant about the current crop of politicians we have around and yet we have already started rooting for their return in 2012. What we should work on is how we can throw all these imbeciles out including Raila whether he won and was rigged out or not. We need some fresh blood not someone who campaigns on a platform of hatred and plotting on how to alienate or antagonize some communities just to have power. But the problem with some people is their are so conservative they can't see anything beyond Raila, Uhuru, Ruto, e.t.c. which is what is bringing us down from the time this country got its indipendence. We have worked on buiding dynasties and their gangs of sycophants. Look at this, NARC was campaining on BANDILISHA, what were we changing if most of them were in the KANU govt, but since they crossed over we chasticized them and made them angels or may be we applied the SAUL to PAUL law you never know. ODM kenya and its theory of CHANGE. just tell me what were we changing. look at the line up Ruto, Mudavadi, Kones? Dalmas Otieno Henry Kosgei e.t.c If we dont realize the harm we are doing to ourselves and have a change of mind we are gone and gone forever. God help us. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: From: Anthony Wangondu Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? To: "youngprofessionals _ke at googlegroups .com" Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 11:03 PM Bwana Otieno, You are correct in seeing the bitterness in my voice, and it has nothing to do with people trying to divide Raila Odinga's support from Luo Nyanza. I think it a feeble tactic. My problem is with this "us versus them" attitude, as if some Kenyans are more important than others, that is constantly being touted. Let me highlight a few: 6 provinces vs 2: Since our current laws are majority votes this doesn't matter, especially given that all of NEP registered voters are equal to Embakasi constituency (for example) Half a Loaf: All I want you to clarify is if Raila intends to only serve half the country and not the whole country. Also, does he define the country as something to be divided up among his cronies? My feeling is that is NOT his attitude but it is your interpretation. The problem is that you are now using it to sow seeds of divisiveness among us, who in all truth are very removed from the political class and should not be supporting them as they bring down this country. We should be having a new vision and a very different set of beliefs from them. What's the alternative you ask? Our politicians thrive on two things - tribal support and keeping our people poor. So therefore, to beat them at their own game we must steer away from tribal groupings and supporting anyone on along tribal lines. We can learn from those who have defied tribal, sectarian, racial and colour divisions. These kinds of people have shunned natural groupings (Obama did not seek the black vote, Bill Clinton did not lean on the white vote, Tony Blair did not seek out intellectuals, etc etc)? and instead started right where the people are, identifying with their real problems - jobs, housing, medical care. So Mr Otieno, yes I am angry when a young bright intellectual like you starts to regurgitate tired sentiments from our old school politicians. Yes I am bitter to see you, the future of Kenya, being sucked into useless and pointless tribal rhetoric, and yes I am sad that you, who should be leading the revival and the regeneration of this country, are stuck on what the politicians got us into after the 2007 elections. -----Original Message----- From: youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com [mailto:youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of Lordvick Otieno Sent: 15 March 2009 23:36 To: youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? Bwana Wangondu, I can see bitterness in your responce to my reaction to the issue of 'Raila facing Rebellion in Southern Nyanza Luo'. You have an issue with my 'half a loaf' sentiments about Raila having won six provinces. The truth about Raila having won six provinces seem to be a bitter pearl by some to swallow for those who want to hide the truth they know, but didn't Karwa confirm about the rigging the other day. Please respond. Has'nt the 'half a loaf' he accepted with Kibaki, who can be equally comended for resisting pressure to ignore Raila, from arogant tribal chauvinists, save this country from sliding into civil war, by sharing power. please respond. Those who are never tired of trying to divide the Luo to constantly remind us of Luo south, central or or Siaya have their schemes fallen flt on their faces before, as Luos have proven note be easily decieved or divided. They even tried to create tribal districts like Suba but the scheme again failed. South Nyanza is the PM's bedrock support and who ever think he is facing rebellion is in for arude shock. --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Anthony Wangondu wrote: > From: Anthony Wangondu > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > To: "youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM > What is half loaf? What have you got that can be called from > half loaf? > What is this about 6 provinces? > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the mandate of the leader to > ensure service to all, uphold the constitution, etc, etc > > Let me know early enough if only those who voted for him > (about 50% of the voters 4 million) are entitled to > Government service so those who did not (31 million) can be > wary and aware. > > If however this is merely your opinion, then clearly say > so! I like Raila and I surely hope he is nowhere near your > analysis of what he stands for! > > -----Original Message----- > From: youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com > [mailto:youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of > Lordvick Otieno > Sent: 13 March 2009 15:14 > To: Mwanyagetinge@ yahoogroups. com; > kenyaclub at yahoogrou ps.com; Wananchi at yahoogroup s.com; > African_Union@ yahoogroups. com; Mwananchi at yahoogrou ps.com; > AfroCentrikWorld@ yahoogroups. com; ChatAfriK at yahoogrou ps.com; > youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION > BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > Those who accuse Raila of having abandoned them should give > him time to settleas as he has just completed a year as PM. > 1.He is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya and not > only Luo Nyanza. > 2.We got 1/2 a loaf to be shared by the six provinces out > of the eight provinces he won in the last election. > 3.Luos are not rebelling against Raila as perseeed but they > never shy away from pointing anything they think is not > right. > Some how Raila always listen to Luos and readjust and > that's why they always stick with him. > Those who think Raila has sold out should propose to > Kenyans an alternative. > > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Mundia Kamau > wrote: > > > From: Mundia Kamau > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Fwd: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING > REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > To: Mwanyagetinge@ yahoogroups. com, > kenyaclub at yahoogrou ps.com, Wananchi at yahoogroup s.com, > African_Union@ yahoogroups. com, Mwananchi at yahoogrou ps.com, > AfroCentrikWorld@ yahoogroups. com, ChatAfriK at yahoogrou ps.com, > youngprofessionals_ ke at googlegroups. com > > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 5:40 AM > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Leo Odera Omolo > > Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM > > Subject: [Jambo] IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY > SOUTHERN > > NYANZA LUOS? > > To: citnewspaper@ yahoo.com, jaluo at jaluo. com, > > oped at nytimes. co.uk, > > news at bbc.co. uk, editor at guardianunli mited.co. uk > > Cc: editor at guardian. co.tz, itnews > > , InsideAfrica@ cnn.com, > > icpubs at africasia. com, news desk > > > > > > > > > IS RAILA FACING REBELLION BY SOUTHERN NYANZA LUOS? > > > > DISCONTENT IS BUILDING UPOVER PLACEMENT OF > GOVERNMENT?S > > PLUM JOBS > > > > > > News Analysis By Leo Odera Omolo > > > > NEWS and information emerging from the greater > Southern > > Nyanza region says > > that? tension is building up between the supporter of > the > > Prime Minister > > Raila Amolo Odinga and the region?s professional > caucus. > > > > It has been revealed that the professionals and > academician > > s from the > > region have of late been? holding behind the scene > > consultative meetings in > > both Nairobi and at home while charting for the way > forward > > on how the > > residents can free and separated themselves from the > Odinga > > ?s family > > influence. > > > > Issues at stake include the recent placement in the > > government?s plum jobs, > > appointment of diplomats and lack foresight in the > effort > > to revive the > > stalled economic outlets, such as Kicomi Ltd, Kenya > > Breweries Kisumu plant , > > proper management of the lucrative sugar industry. > > > > The group, according to impeccable source have been > holding > > secret meetings > > in posh hotels in Nairobi, Homa-Bay, Migori and even > in the > > lakeside City of > > Kisumu. > > > > The group which comprises clergymen, professionals, > > academicians and some > > selected civic leaders are said to be seeking the way > > forward to build > > another centre of power gravitation inside > Luo-Nyanza, > > which is devoid of > > the Odinga?s? influence. .But which could work with > any > > group of Kenyan > > politicians and harmonize inter-tribal and communal > > relations for mutual > > benefits of Kenyans. > > > > Also top on the agenda is the plan envisaged to > pressurize > > any government of > > the day to split the present Nyanza Province into > three > > Provinces., that > > would groups? the Kisii and Kuria communities grouped > > together in one > > administrative Province with its headquarters in > Kisii > > town, and the third > > Province to group all the administrative of Suba, > Homa-Bay, > > Nyatike, Migori, > > Rongo and Rachuonyo together with the proposed > headquarters > > in either > > Homa-Bay or Rongo townships. > > > > This school of thought was originally the brainchild > of the > > late Hezekiah N > > Oyugi, the former powerful Permanent Secretary > in-charge of > > Provincial > > Administration and Internal Security who had proposed > the > > power devolution > > way back in 1990. Oyugi had suggested that a new > Province > > covering Southern > > Nyanza and Kisii regions be established at Kisii > town. > > > > However, years later during the Constitutional > dispensation > > conference held > > at the Bomas of Kenya under Prof. Yash Ghai, the > proposal > > was vehemently > > opposed by Raila?s supporters who viewed the idea as > an > > attempt to divide > > the Luo community into a small splitter groups.. > > > > Pro-Raila wanted all the Luos to be kept in one huge > basket > > for his own > > political mileage and control.But the proponents of > the > > idea felt that the > > splitting of the Nyanza Province into three would be > > beneficial to the > > region because it will attract more government > funding. > > > > But the Luo intellectuals and professionals have now > > revisited the idea once > > again. > > > > The group believes there is leadership vacuum in > Nyanza and > > that there is > > the need for the region?s residents to built several > new > > centre of power to > > gravitate in Gusii and greater Southern Nyanza > regions. > > > > Several prominent names have been floated. One is that > of > > the Minister for > > Public Services Dalmas Otieno, who is also the MP for > > Rongo, the Immigration > > Minister and Mbita MP Gerald Otieno Kajwang?; and > that of > > the youthful > > Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojode who is an Assistant > Minister > > for Internal > > Security. > > > > Otieno?s problem is old association with KANU, a > party > > many Luos believed to > > have masterminded the community?s marginalization > and > > political suppression > > by the previous regimes of the late President Jomo > Kenyatta > > and the retired > > President Daniel Arap Moi.,though many maintains that > the > > Minister has > > matured up politically and can take the mantled of > the > > overall community > > leadership. > > > > Otieno Kajwang, is being dismissed as being too > childish > > and not a serious > > person worth trusting with the responsibility of > leading > > the Luo to a higher > > height of development. At the same time Ojode is seen > as an > > achiever and a > > dynamic politician who has successfully developed his > > hitherto backward > > Ndhiwa constituency to a new hub of massive economic > > development. > > > > Ojode an is an aggressive politician with unserving > loyalty > > to Raila Odinga. > > Theyrecaled how the Assistant Minister had sacrificed > the > > Ministerial > > appointment offered to him by President Mwai Kibaki in > 2005 > >? in solidarity > > with ODM and Raila Odinga. > > > > Ojode is believed to have been disappointed with the > > allocation and > > distribution of ministerial posts in the grand > coalition > > government shared > > on 50-50 basis between President Mwai Kibaki and the > Prime > > Minister Raila > > Odinga in which he was relegated to an Sssistant > Minister > > instead of the > > full cabinet. Instead Raila? had favoured Otieno > Kajwang? > > who got away with > > the Immigration ministerial slot. > > > > But Ojode could not be reached for his immediate > comment. > > He said to be > > keeping a low profile, and has never appeared in any > > governmental or > > political function officiated by Raila Odinga ever > since > > the formation of > > the grand coalition, though he is said to be > extremely > > loyal to his friend > > the Prime Minister. > > > > ther burning issues to which Raila must come out > clean, is > > the allegations > > that he had interfered with the new appointment of > the > > joint officiasl > > receive manager for both Miwani and Muhoroni Sugar > > Companies, and allegedly > > instructed the Kenyan Sugar Board to extend the tenure > of > > the two joint > > receiver manager Eng. Martin Owiti, and Kipng?etich > Bett. > > The two have been > > the joint receiver manager for the two facilities for > the > > last four years, > > but have failed to turn? them around. Farmers have > gone for > > months without > > their cane bills cleared by Muhoroni, while Miwani > closed > > down a couple of > > years ago. > > > > > >? Eng. Owiti who hails froim Bondo is said to be a > > brother-in-law to Dr. > > Oburu Oginga, the eldest brother of Raila Odinga who > is > > also an Assistant > > Minister for Finance. > > > > The Prime Minister is reported as having recently > released > > ten tractors, > > which were donated bny the UNDP? to the Nyanza > Province for > > the purpose of > > improving agricultural activities in the region. > Raila > > released the tractors > > in Bondo his home turf and ignored other > agriculturally > > rich regions where > > the tractors could be put to a better use of improving > food > > production in > > the region.. > > > > A number of ODM MPs from Luo-Nyanza are said to be > secretly > > backing the > > separation plan to free the Luos from the Southern > region > > from those from > > Bondo and Siaya. > > > > While the Prime Minister Odinga is being credited for > > having taken bold > > steps to ensure that illegal squatters were evicted > from > > the controversial > > Mau Forest Complex in? the South Rift, he is at the > same > > time being accused > > for having failed to initiate any meaningful dialogue > for > > the resuscitation > > of the ailing sugar industry in Nyanza and the > improvement > > of the fishing > > industry in Lake Victoria.. > > > > .Anti-Raila elements in Nyanza are accusing the Prime > > Minister for lack of > > total commitment in the real task of poverty > eradication. > > Instead, the PM is > > said to be busy engaged in promoting politics of hero > > worshipping and > > sycophancy. > > > > The professionals in Luo Nyanza are also said to be > routing > > for the communal > > harmonization between the Luos as and the > neighbouring > > communities > > irrespective of the political party of affiliation, at > the > > same time blaming > > the current crop of MP from the region for promoting > > politics of hatred.. > > > >? The Professionals from Southern Nyanza are also said > to be > > reaching their > > counterpart numbers in Siaya Kisumu and Nyando. > Several > > night meeting are > > said to have taken place in hideouts in Kisumu and > Nairobi. > > > > And in one such gatherings speaker after speaker > reportedly > > denounced the > > Prime Minister much touted campaign to have youths in > Luo > > circumcised as one > > way of minimizing the effect of HIV/Aid , arguing that > such > > trivialities > > should not be the priority of the person holding such > > covenanted position of > > Premier to handle. > > > >? ?Circumcision, they argued, should not be the > > community?s priority. There > > are other priorities which Raila should tackle with > his Luo > > parliamentary > > colleagues. > > > > It is only a matter of time before the on-going war > between > > Raila and > > professionals exploded in the open for public debate. > The > > professionals are > > also against loose talking such as the recent call by > Dr. > > Oburu Oginga on > > William Ruto, the Minister for Agriculture to resign > over > > the maize > > scandal.Oburu action is therefore viewed as being full > of > > arrogance and as > > such misplaced.. > > > > Dr Oburu Oginga and his younger brother must stop the > bad > > habit of rushing > > to the press on every single issue in this > country..They > > must learn to be > > cohesive and tolerant because such uncoordinated > comments > > on contentious > > issue affected a colleague in arm must be avoided at > all > > cost. > > > > We were not able to establish the names of the > professional > > and politicians > > said to be behind the latest move to isolate Raila > Odinga > > from the Southern > > Nyanza Luos, though it is true that several meetings > have > > taken place in > > both Nyanza and Nairobi. 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Psalm 23 The Lord is my Shepherd = That's Relationship! I shall not want = That's Supply! He maketh me to lie down in green pastures = That's Rest! He leadeth me beside the still waters = That's Refreshment! He restoreth my soul = That's Healing! He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness = That's Guidance! For His name sake = That's Purpose! Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death = That's Testing! I will fear no evil = That's Protection! For Thou art with me = That's Faithfulness! Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me = That's Discipline! Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies = That's Hope! Thou annointest my head with oil = That's Consecration! My cup runneth over = That's Abundance! Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life = That's Blessing ! And I will dwell in the house of the Lord = That's Security! Forever = That's Eternity! Face it, the Lord is crazy about you. Send this to people you are crazy about. I thought this was pretty special, just like YOU!!! What is most valuable, is not what we have in our lives, but WHO we have in our lives! 'Do not ask the Lord to Guide your Footsteps if you are not willing to move your Feet' Peace. THIS IS PRETTY NEAT, 93% won't forward this Even though you can't see Him, GOD is there for you When Jesus died on the cross, he was thinking of you! If you are one of the 7% who will stand up for him, forward this with the title 7%. 93% of people won't forward this. ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Here are some examples: -Parents, siblings, and the community helped us to know how to talk, behave, and differentiate between right and wrong. -Schools helped us to know how to read, write, and the importance of education -The pastors/priest, helped us to connect with God -Every time we have taken a new job, the employer makes sure that we have enough information to help us decide if at all we want to accept the offer or not. -Every time we have applied for a credit card, a loan, or filled an application for a new apartment or to buy a house, we have been given sufficient information. As would be expected, not all the information we have received is correct information. It therefore comes down to you as a person to compare notes and decide as to which one is the correct information. A failure to do that, will not be an excuse, a license or a passport for doing the wrong thing! Even the courts tend to be more lenient if say one commits a crime without knowing, more so, if a person is new to a particular culture. It therefore becomes each ones' responsibility to do the following: -Get all the information about your culture and make a wise decision on what's relevant and what's not -Be adequately informed on the culture of your host country. Remember that your claim of ignorance may not always work -Let us make sure that we have enough information on everything that we want to own or join. The days of rushing into things and claiming innocence thereafter is gone -Let us not follow blindly in matters of our faith. Remember that when it comes to your salvation, your parents, siblings, pastor, or church will not decide for you. You and I must search the scriptures for ourselves. We must daily learn at the feet of the cross all that our salvation takes. Even when you think that you know it all, purpose in your hear to seek and learn more. Should you and I be finally lost, we should not be lost because we did not know, but rather because we knew but chose to do otherwise! Yes, I will continue to study daily so as to be equipped with the heavenly knowledge. I am determined more than ever before to take this responsibility seriously. How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From wachieng at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 07:42:31 2009 From: wachieng at yahoo.com (winnie) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] JOB OPPORTUNITY References: <133ea4400903170342v4205d782o1b90c4d66934bb90@mail.gmail.com> <6136cc4a0903171403r7778b2dcs6a14e7f356cbaf94@mail.gmail.com> <133ea4400903172144i2ea11705jc08cbda5fe600b4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487766.51416.qm@web53107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi pple, got this in my fb inbox, please share. -------------------- Subject: JOB OPPORTUNITY AKURA COMPANY LIMITED is a company that embraces the dynamism of art in its entirety and diversity. From music to fashion, we seek to provide our society with a rejuvenated pride in creative individuality in accordance to Kingdom scripture. Seeking a young & energetic individual to act in this capacity and aid in our operations. That is: - Web Developer Duties: Web hosting and web animation development Requirements - To be familiar with web design applications (Adobe, Corel Draw, Flash etc.) - At least High School Graduate - Responsible, independent and punctual - Can be entrusted with company resources (additional marketing background a plus) Kindly submit a C.V. and cover letter telling us why you are best suited to occupy this position, no later than Friday 20th March 2009. Further information will be passed onto interested parties Regards, Mark Muchura Director Akura Company Limited, "A new Age comes..." Email: muchuraku at gmail.com #: +254 722 787 664 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com Wed Mar 18 08:05:54 2009 From: Dickens.Odhiambo at gmsi.com (Dickens Odhiambo) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:05:54 -0400 Subject: [Jambo] KENYAN KILLED IN RICHMOND :-CAROLINE KARIA BULLOCK Message-ID: Kenyan shot dead by husband in Virginia By Diasporamessenger.com 03/17/2009 <<...OLE_Obj...>> A Kenyan lady Caroline Kaaria was shot dead by her husband who later shot himself on Friday March 13th in Chester Virginia. According to her friend Susan Kioko , they were scheduled for an appointment together that Friday morning but she did not show up for the appointment. Susan was alarmed because she had tried calling her the whole night without response so she decided to call her work place but learnt that she did not show up for work either. She decided to drive to her house, and upon reaching there, she saw both Caroline and the husband's cars but when she knocked the door, there was no reply so she called the police who broke the door and found the two bodies in the House. Susan says that as soon as they went in the house, she saw a cassette tape labeled family and the assumption is that the husband killed Caroline, taped a message and then killed himself. The police are still investigating the case and we hope to give more information later. Caroline Kaaria used to live in Seattle WA . She was a nurse at Agha Khan Hospital before she decided to come to the U.S. She did her nursing board exam and passed and got a job in Chester Virginia where she and Susan Kioko lived together from March 2007 until when she got married and moved in with her husband. The family in Kenya has been notified and arrangements are being worked out for them to come over. Friends are meeting in Seattle WA and in Chester Virginia to help plan for the burial or repatriation of the body. They are appealing for everyone's prayers and support. Caroline did not have any family member here in the USA. Apart from her roommate (Susan) she did not know anyone else in VA. So please if you could help by spreading the prayer and financial need request to bring her mother from Kenya so that she could claim her body and may be ship her back home . Please call the numbers below and keep visiting this page for a memorial fund account which should be opened soon. Francis- 253-653-0072 Njau Wa Waruhiu, Portland Oregon 503-515-3282 Susan Kioko-Virginia 9134064833 or 913 406 4833 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dickens Odhiambo > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:22 PM > To: 'kenyaonline at yahoogroups.com'; 'africa-oped at yahoogroups.com'; 'An > East African Online Forum Dedicated to Information Exchange.' > Subject: KENYAN KILLED IN RICHMOND :-CAROLINE KARIA BULLOCK > > > > New Kent officials ID couple found dead in home > By Staff Reports > > Published: March 16, 2009 > New Kent County authorities identified a Quinton couple found dead in > their home last week as Cheyenne Bullock Sr., 49, and his wife, Caroline > Bullock, 32. > The apparent murder-suicide was discovered after a family member asked the > county sheriff's department Friday to check on the welfare of the couple, > who lived at 3800 New Kent Highway. > A spokesman did not provide information today about what might have > precipitated the two deaths, acknowledging that each apparently died from > a gunshot, and that Cheyenne Bullock was shot after his wife. > Caroline Bullock was a citizen of Kenya, according to the sheriff's > department. > -- Bill McKelway > http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/KENTGAT16_200903 > 16-120803/232797/ From aboge001 at umn.edu Wed Mar 18 09:07:29 2009 From: aboge001 at umn.edu (aboge001) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: MIgingo row a shame In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C0F211.1080406@umn.edu> I agree. Uganda sees the incompetence of the government and observed its weaknesses when they were invited to help quell riots in Kisumu. Some historians have most of Nyanza in Uganda! > DO NOT BE SURPRISED IF ONE DAY UGANDA MAY DECIDE TO CONFISCATE ALL THE > ISLANDS IN LAKE VICTORIA.. EVENTUALLY UGANDA WILL CLAIM THE WHOLE LAKE > VICTORIA AS ORIGINALLY BELONGING TO UGANDA. IT APPEARS THE KAMPALA > REGIME SEES WEAKNESS IN THE NAIROBI ADMINISTRATION, AND, THEREFORE, > HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE MIGIRO ISLAND BY FORCE. > > IT IS VERY SAD AND DISSAPOINTING. HOPE THINGS CAN CHANGE FOR BETTER SO > THAT NOT ONLY US, BUT OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE CAN BE MORE PROMISING. DO > THOSE IN POWER AND INFLUENCE CARE ENOUGH TO WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF > OUR COUNTRY? > > SIMANGWE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Jambo mailing list > Jambo at publiceyesite.org > http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org > From me_benji at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 11:03:00 2009 From: me_benji at yahoo.com (Mr BENJI) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere References: <85740.30184.qm@web25905.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <545446.6273.qm@web53906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru has nothing going for him except his last name. And that name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we have built a fluid nation. Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and smell the gdamn coffee. proudly Kenyan B. ________________________________ From: Murithi Magiri To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might shout on the rooftops that we need new leaders but Kenya being what it is , i expect same guys on the scene come 2012. Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. Proudly Kenyan, Magiri --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" wrote: From: "Remorque" Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Murithi Magiri wrote: People are allowed by a democratic society to express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can be turned. By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong in a row. That's what I call bullshit! I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save me this agony. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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Sat March 21st Healer Messiah update!(directions attached) The time is neigh and we would want to keep you posted. 1.The Concert will be at the Essex ball?room at Hilton, Newark Penn-Station. There are restaurants and eateries on the hallway connecting Hilton to the Penn-Station and other buildings. So grab a taco or something. 2.Concert starts at 3pm sharp with guest ministers curtain raising. Please, please, don't attempt? to be late. We advice everyone to be at the venue by 2:30pm because of Garage parking, and the overall hustle of driving in the city. 3. All Mothers rejoice! FREE Day care services available. Be sure to pack food, drinks, diapers and wipes for your little ones. 4.Parking tickets will be $5.00 but please be sure to have them validated otherwise you will pay $10.00. Details will be announced at the concert. Carry cash. 5. Wear anything orange, red or yellow (not obligatory). 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The story talks of Mr Fanaka who thinks that with food crisis GMO could be the only alternative to change the future of farmers. Furthermore Kenya became the fourth African country to allow the production and use of GMO crops after President Mwai Kibaki signed off on Parliament's approval of new biosafety legislation on February 13, 2009. The Biosafety Bill 2008 sees the East African nation join Burkina Faso, Egypt and South Africa as African nations which permit genetically modified farming. The KEC in their fourth week of Lent campaign which is observed next Sunday March 22, 2009 has as its theme: Food Security and empowering Farmers. The story talks of how farmers could be empowered to avoid food shortages in future. With president's assent to the Bill, one way to empower farmers, a National Biosafety Authority will now be created, under the National Council for Science and Technology, to implement the legislation and to follow priorities as stated in the National Biotechnology Development Policy passed in 2006, Margaret Karembu, director of the Kenya-based African centre of the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications Even though GM foods are inherently unsafe, and current safety assessments are not competent to protect us from or even identify most dangers, the new law will not only allow open field trials in several locations, but also removing previous restrictions and speeding up agricultural improvements. Like KEC the Vatican has moved from a neutral position in a Europe-US confrontation over GM food to come down in favour of genetic modification. Pope John Paul II was greatly interested in new technologies for food development as part of a policy of sustainable agriculture because of 24,000 people who died every day from starvation. In Kenya food shortage is not only now. It goes back to December 2006 when the government appealed for $150m in aid to help save 2.5m threatened by the famine in the north-east alone. This was about the time more than 30 million people were going hungry across Africa from the west, to the horn and the south according to the UN's World Food Programme. While poor rains had contributed to the problem the root causes were many and complex. Apart from Kenya several African countries were affected especially Somalia and Ethiopia. Some 11 million people needed food aid in the region after poor rains. About half of these were on the brink of starvation and need urgent help. This is because most Africans live in rural areas, where many are subsistence farmers, dependent on a good harvest to get enough food to eat. There are hardly any irrigation systems, so people rely on the rains. Since then rains have become less reliable, which could be the result of global warming apart from rising populations which have also led people to farm on increasingly marginal land, even more at risk from even a slight decline in rainfall. Just as we are going on press some three million people are going hungry in Zimbabwe, which used to be the region's bread basket. Although most donors say the government's seizure of productive, white-owned farms has worsened the effects of poor rains, this is African problem in general, especially in Somalia where 2m need urgent food aid. In Ethiopia, some one million people in the south-eastern Somali region could also face severe food shortages, while another seven million need food aid urgently. 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URL: From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 01:00:25 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] My danger signal list! Message-ID: <483944.26272.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> t's no secret that Satan has always targeted those who call upon the name of God and are involved in one way or the other in growing the kingdom. Aware of his evil motives, the word of God warns, "Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." (1 Peter 5:8.) To accomplish his mission, he uses all kinds of agents, including friends, family members, siblings, fellow church members, workmates, some community members, and many others. This might have been what the Apostle Paul had in mind when he wrote, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone," Romans 12:18 Way before these words were recorded, the Patriarch Abraham had shown a good example when he pleaded with Lot, "Let's not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers." (Genesis 13:8.) To succeed as a peace maker, and to avoid conflict with others, I have come up with a danger signal list; a list that warns me of the impending trouble. Today, I will list but one: Like any other job, cashiering has got its own challenges. The main focus is the customer. Because we want them to return to the store so often, we must learn how to keep them happy! Having done cashier job for many years, I have learned to identify trouble as the customer approaches the register. Here are the danger signal list on this subject: -When a customer ignores to respond to the greetings then I know that there is trouble -When a customer turns the screen towards his/her side with anger -When a customer refuses to show identification card when prompted by the system -Whenever a customer starts to order me on how to bag his/her merchandise, then I know that there is trouble. Whenever I see the danger signal written everywhere, then I know how to be careful what and how to escape the impending trouble. Like cashier work, I have come up with several danger signal list to help me whenever I confront a problem. I wish to appeal to you to come up with the danger signal list, to help you whenever you need it. Will you? Just a thought Pr Birai From gikuima at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 02:02:55 2009 From: gikuima at yahoo.com (Kimundu Gikuima) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] The Odinga's Message-ID: <896356.21615.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans" I wonder how much they "bought' the Kisumu molasses plant for after they had duped many people into contributing money to buy it and then used the same for the 1997 election campaign? --- On Wed, 3/18/09, maurice oduor wrote: From: maurice oduor Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 1:19 PM Benji, I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. He fought against the government of the day and you know what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. Raila has thus earned prominence on his own right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major politician to assert the rights of University students to hold a public protest. I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political families together to be blamed for all the ills facing Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong in such groupings, my good friend. Sincerely, Maurice --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > From: Mr BENJI > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru > has nothing going for him except his last name. And that > name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we > have built a fluid nation. > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and > smell the gdamn coffee. > proudly Kenyan > B. > > From: > Murithi Magiri > To: > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > Subject: > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi > Wamwere > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might > shout?on the rooftops that we need new leaders but > Kenya being what it?is , i expect same guys on the > scene come 2012. > ? > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. > > Proudly Kenyan, > Magiri > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > wrote: > > > From: "Remorque" > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > Murithi Magiri > wrote: > > > > > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can > be turned. > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong > in a row. > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save > me this agony. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > man is when he is a baby." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie > Wood > > > > >? ? ? > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > > > > ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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That is an insult.Are you corrupt yourself? I doubt it.... Sweeping statements like this are what makes for bigotry.....Are you saying there is no hope? One bad apple can spoil the rest so the issue is to remove that bad apple before it gets to the rest in the basket and if we cannot do anything as kenyans, then I am well for the West doing it for us.? Many of these corrupt people invest their corruptly earned savings abroad, at the expense of the kenyan economy and poor kenyans....I support this action.. We cannot live in isolation and sometimes, for small fry, like our corrupt politicians, businesspeople etc, such small moves make them re-consider their activities....We are told that during the talks to come up with the current grand coalition document, the visas of someof the children of the people onthe table were withdrawn and they were deported leading to movement forward after stalements ? Human beings are not coakroaches. I dont know which world you live in but immigration between borders must be controlled because Governments plan for a certain number of people, including skilled and other migrants and we cant just have people coming in and out as they please without order....it is not just about restriction but planning and order..... --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mohamed Jiwa wrote: From: Mohamed Jiwa Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:34 AM Good question.? People should be allowed to travel where they want to in the world.? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.? The whole of Kenya is corrupt, as far as I know, and that is what I shall assume until a few honest people are willing to work together in transparency and accountability to create a base for a clean-up operation.? If there is no way forward that is feasible to even a few of us and if logic cannot prevail even to a minority of clean thinking people then, clearly, it can only be because everyone resorts to one kind of corrupt practice or the other, privately, and lives remain individual and private.? There is no group consciousness to appeal to.? We are a corrupt nation by default. Nonetheless, if cockroaches and dogs can cross over to Tz and Ug without passports then what is this nonsense of preventing human beings from doing this too? I don't get it.? The law should take its course wherever one is. 2009/3/18 FREDERICK WABWAYA Dear Billy, You may find your suggestion quite far from the real culprits. Politicians normally look for an appropriate opportunity to release some information to confuse the?people on who is being refered to and it works perfectly well. I am not saying that they are not the ones, but it could be any other minister who may be normally quiet and acts behind the scenes to perpetuate corruption and violence. The field is wide and thick. You know very well that the warrant of arrest for the owner of Triton?Company alleged to have dried up the oil tanks in the country was withdrawn and up to today it is not yet known who?ordered the withdrawal. It couldnt have been Kiraitu or Ruto. It is also clear that Atorney General did not do it, KACC Boss did not do it and the Police commissioner also distanced himself from the action. But this was a very huge scandal. There are many others anyway. ? ? Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:22:39 -0700 From: bmijungu at yahoo.com Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com They did not need to mention explicitly ,statements zeroed in on Ruto and kiraitu ? but ruto frustated US imports and maize business , somehow asking kick backs befoe US maize was allowed in , then mention of post election violence ? --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Jectone Ndunya wrote: From: Jectone Ndunya Subject: [YP_Ke] US Ban on Corrupt Ministers To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:59 AM Hello to you all. Please let me know from you; is it in order for the US Government to impose a Travel ban on Public servant/s or Politician/s and fail to mention their names to the people they purport to be helping to fight Corruption? Let me know your view/s. -- G ?Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From andrew at sinolinkepz.com Thu Mar 19 19:02:45 2009 From: andrew at sinolinkepz.com (andrew) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: The Odinga's References: <996702.51610.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <202616.93931.qm@web50608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <71d6154f0903190448k409f3f1bxbb5e358ed9994e1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c9a8e6$d236f010$8300a8c0@ANDREW> I think you should be discussing about radical changes in our constitutional institutions than wasting time on personalities.Hon Odinga should be respected as a reformer and me personally I will vote for him come 2012. Thanks A.Odawa ----- Original Message ----- From: Felix Otiato To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:48 AM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The Odinga's I think this is a dumb email from a probably dumb fellow. WHO ASKED YOU? Get somethinng to do kimundu. On 3/18/09, John Kamau wrote: It saddens me to see some of us trashing a good debate at the alter of tribalism while at the same time condemning the vice. Trivializing critical national issues is the cause of most of the problems Kenya is facing today. Had those who were in authority during the first, second, third and even the fourth governments taken time to address this anomalies most of our National problems including the resent Election deaths could have been avoided. Surprisingly this ignorant leaders are not alone in their stupidity or procrastination. Some of us in this forum, calling ourselves young professionals and even posturing ourselves us better leaders than those in leadership or were in leadership are displaying worse ignorance why perpetrating more lies.. One thing that surprises me is the myopic manner in which intellectuals and leaders, have chosen to rewrite simple historical facts to conform to the needs of : me and my people.. for this Moi wins hands down. Kenyatta comes a distant second and Kibaki carries the day only as one who have no clue of what a Presidents responsibilities are... While Moi was not an academic,or intellectual giant he was a good listener and a quick learner. He therefore benefited unconditionally from some of the shrewdest,coldest minds of our time in the likes of Biwott, he took the credit while they kept the money. For those of you who think Kibaki is a leader please think twice, If he ever listens to any one then It must be the likes of mama Lucy and the young Wangui of the Artur brothers saga. Intellectuals like Karua and others are never allowed to give advice, not with the club of 65years and above sipping malt and discussing golf tournaments on the table at state house. Other than deliberate on important National Issues. No wonder Moi was able to multiply the Kalenjins from a minority tribe to the third biggest tribe in two years of his leadership.They held the highest number of constituency representation, all but two provincial posts, held all but 16 district commissioners posts and more than two thirds of DOs in the country. not to mention the Army, police, and other Senior civil service jobs. Talking of Raila he has watched and compared all this leaders, he has shaped up a good think tank that plans and executes the craftiest political maneuvers ever witnessed in History in and outside our bounders. He has a long way to go with Kibaki dozing of the leadership. I would like to be challenged on this points: who wrote that Kikuyu's went to the Rift valley when Kenyatta gave them land there. Why was this allowed to look like its true. why did the first censors soon after Moi took over Raise the other wise unknown community to second biggest community in Kenya, how did the constituencies in the Rift valley almost doubled on or around the same time? WHY are there less Mps from the Kikuyu, Luo, and Luhya communities even though they lead in Numerical strenght. Remember i did not creat the Communities in Kenya or elsewhere, we should not demonize some communities just because they have greater numbers. Again lets stop all else, get a new constitution for all, rich and poor, small and big tribes, nothing but a new constitution Will enable Kenyans to live together in Unity. On Thu, 3/19/09, Kind Gikuima wrote: From: Kimundu Gikuima Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The Odinga's To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 4:10 AM Manwel, Alll I was trying to say is that they are all thiefs, including Raila whom I have given a brazen example of his stealing. I did not say that Kibaki or Uhuru is not a thief, whether by commision or ommision. kibaki stole the election... we know that. Uhuru's father stole the best land in Central Province (Imagine from roysambu to Thika, both sides of the road) that is why the kikuyu's fled to RVP and became the stamping ground for anyone who "lost" an election. Get the gist manwel? You end up looking more of waht you are. STUPID, because you cannot understand one single phrase in English and choose to interpret it in your own myopic way. --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Usuofia in London wrote: From: Usuofia in London Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: The Odinga's To: "youngprofessionals_ke" Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:37 AM Kimundu Gikuima, This is not a personal attack but I think your are dumb!!! So, because Raila stole, Kibaki should also steal, because Raila dumped the opposition, so should Uhuru...etc! Everyone agrees that the current leadership is a failure. So why do you want to justify a failure by another failure? Two wrongs do not make a right! Kibaki has failed, Raila has as well. Uhuru, Ruto, everyone has failed in this government, including the Judiciary, Parliament and even the church. Why is it that whenever Kibaki is criticized, you want to draw parallels with Raila!!?? I hold no brief for Raila. Infact, to me, he's just another failure. But I get sick whenever I see comments like yours from someone who calls himself a professional!!! Watch out guys, the 2007 debacle is going to be replicated soon unless something drastic happens to change the current leadership. I am not a prophet of doom. But with the comments we have been treated to recently both in public (rallies) and on fora (forums) like this, I cannot pretend that we have moved from the state we were in in 2007. Always, Manwel. On Mar 19, 9:02 am, Kimundu Gikuima wrote: > "The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans" > > I wonder how much they "bought' the Kisumu molasses plant for after they had duped many people into contributing money to buy it and then used the same for the 1997 election campaign? > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, maurice oduor wrote: > > From: maurice oduor > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 1:19 PM > > Benji, > > I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. He fought against the government of the day and you know what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. Raila has thus earned prominence on his own right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major politician to assert the rights of University students to hold a public protest. > > I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political families together to be blamed for all the ills facing Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong in such groupings, my good friend. > > Sincerely, > Maurice > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > > > > > > > From: Mr BENJI > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru > > has nothing going for him except his last name. And that > > name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in > > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we > > have built a fluid nation. > > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, > > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to > > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will > > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and > > smell the gdamn coffee. > > proudly Kenyan > > B. > > > From: > > Murithi Magiri > > To: > > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Sent: > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > > Subject: > > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi > > Wamwere > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a > > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. > > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might > > shout on the rooftops that we need new leaders but > > Kenya being what it is , i expect same guys on the > > scene come 2012. > > > > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. > > > Proudly Kenyan, > > Magiri > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > > wrote: > > > From: "Remorque" > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > > Murithi Magiri > > wrote: > > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of > > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as > > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must > > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the > > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of > > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i > > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for > > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can > > be turned. > > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong > > in a row. > > > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. > > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we > > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save > > me this agony. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > > man is when he is a baby." > > > > - Natalie > > Wood > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger athttp://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - ------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/17/09 16:25:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. 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URL: From bedann06 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 10:11:39 2009 From: bedann06 at yahoo.com (bedan maina) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere Message-ID: <227786.57175.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Your comments are laughable Raila Odinga didn't go to KANU to rip it apart but he just graduated from a Hawker to the owner of a senior wallet borrowing the words of Wahome Mutahi. After that he expected Moi to handover the mantle of Distributing the wallets but Moi had other ideas. Raila jumped ship to the opposition where nobody could accept him as a flag bearer. This just shows just how this guys has a quest for power. I wonder if one year to come if this guy will be in ODM there is a possibility that he is going to form another party. --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Lordvick Otieno wrote: From: Lordvick Otieno Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 5:54 AM Bwana Magiri, It looks like some of us in this forum like deviating or mixing up issues to divert attention from the main topic due to tribal feelings. instead of adressing the issue of Uhuru's credetials as a leader, which is wanting. Ask yourself where Uhuru came from before Moi ambushed us with him to force him 'down our throats'.??? We were discussing the topic of 'Uhuru's qualification for top seat' and not Raila phobia, which keeps croping in by using Raila as the bemnch mark in the main topic. Please credit Raila who tactfully left opposition to perform a 'Samson and Delilah' tactics by entering Kanu and causing an 'implosion' that help scatter Moi's plans, then buring tribalism through Kibaki tosha'. Call it defection to Kanu but was it not positive, and are you not ripping the fruits of what he did to Kanu until Kibaki, took us back to pharao when we had crossed the jordan river. Now let's compare since you started it all. DIFFERENTIATE AND COMPARE this to Uhuru, who left ODM to defect to PNU BANDWAGON and left the larger Kanu bedrock supporters in Rift Valley whom? he led to ODM AND ABANDONED then he retreated to his tribal cocoon, because he was scared of losing Gatundu South and was even scared of coming to Kamukunji even after ODM promised to support him there. Dont' compare this to Raila, who is the MP for Langata and not Bondo. We do not want cowards who fear other Kenyans as leaders.??? --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Murithi Magiri wrote: > From: Murithi Magiri > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:06 AM > If > young professional are tribal, what do we expect a common > villager to be. Just by looking at someones last name you > can predict what his comments will be on political front. > > I might never comment on political issues again in this > forum. I mean for instance? Raila left the opposition > and merged with KANU, what is wrong when Uhuru leaves the > opposition to join PNU. Is it only holy when certain > individuals take certain moves? It is all political > expendiecy and politicians will always thrive on that. > I'm sick. > > Proudly Kenyan Though, > Murithi Magiri > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, maurice oduor > wrote: > > From: maurice oduor > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for >? top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 5:19 PM > > > > Benji, > > I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an > issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, > Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the > side of any government that stole from or persecuted > Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he > saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. > He fought against the government of the day and you know > what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. > Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and > agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in > detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way > Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he > promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. > Raila has thus earned prominence on his own >? right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major > politician to assert the rights of University students to > hold a public protest. > > I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political > families together to be blamed for all the ills facing > Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the > odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong > in such groupings, my good friend. > > Sincerely, > Maurice > > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > > > From: Mr BENJI > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. > Uhuru > > has nothing going for him except his last name. And > that > > name has alot to do with the problematic country we > live in > > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which > we > > have built a fluid nation. > > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political > order, > > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect > to > > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we > will > > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up > and > > smell the gdamn coffee. > > proudly Kenyan > > B. > > > > >? From: > > Murithi Magiri > > To: > > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Sent: > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > > Subject: > > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > seat.....Koigi > > Wamwere > > > > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders > but, a > > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to > you. > > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We > might > > shout?on the rooftops that we need new leaders > but > > Kenya being what it?is , i expect same guys on > the > > scene come 2012. > > ? > > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. >? > > > > Proudly Kenyan, > > Magiri > > > > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: "Remorque" > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > > Murithi Magiri > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >? > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot > of > > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As > much as > > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i > must > > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in > the > > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a > lot of > > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that > happens i > > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going > for > > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables > can > > be turned. > > > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be > wrong > > in a row. > > > > > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this >? e-mail. > > > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed > that we > > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please > save > > me this agony. > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "The only time a woman really succeeds in > changing a > > man is when he is a baby." > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- > Natalie > > Wood > > > > > > > > > >? ? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > __________________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and >? more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > >? ? ? > > > > > > ? ? ? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From emilingo at iwayafrica.com Thu Mar 19 03:37:03 2009 From: emilingo at iwayafrica.com (Usuofia in London) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: The Odinga's In-Reply-To: <896356.21615.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <896356.21615.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7cf18159-4933-4870-a06e-3a1da54c7803@j8g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Kimundu Gikuima, This is not a personal attack but I think your are dumb!!! So, because Raila stole, Kibaki should also steal, because Raila dumped the opposition, so should Uhuru...etc! Everyone agrees that the current leadership is a failure. So why do you want to justify a failure by another failure? Two wrongs do not make a right! Kibaki has failed, Raila has as well. Uhuru, Ruto, everyone has failed in this government, including the Judiciary, Parliament and even the church. Why is it that whenever Kibaki is criticized, you want to draw parallels with Raila!!?? I hold no brief for Raila. Infact, to me, he's just another failure. But I get sick whenever I see comments like yours from someone who calls himself a professional!!! Watch out guys, the 2007 debacle is going to be replicated soon unless something drastic happens to change the current leadership. I am not a prophet of doom. But with the comments we have been treated to recently both in public (rallies) and on fora (forums) like this, I cannot pretend that we have moved from the state we were in in 2007. Always, Manwel. On Mar 19, 9:02?am, Kimundu Gikuima wrote: > "The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans" > > I wonder how much they "bought' the Kisumu molasses plant for after they had duped many people into contributing money to buy it and then used the same for the 1997 election campaign? > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, maurice oduor wrote: > > From: maurice oduor > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 1:19 PM > > Benji, > > I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. He fought against the government of the day and you know what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. Raila has thus earned prominence on his own right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major politician to assert the rights of University students to hold a public protest. > > I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political families together to be blamed for all the ills facing Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong in such groupings, my good friend. > > Sincerely, > Maurice > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > > > > > > > From: Mr BENJI > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru > > has nothing going for him except his last name. And that > > name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in > > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we > > have built a fluid nation. > > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, > > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to > > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will > > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and > > smell the gdamn coffee. > > proudly Kenyan > > B. > > > From: > > Murithi Magiri > > To: > > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Sent: > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > > Subject: > > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi > > Wamwere > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a > > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. > > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might > > shout?on the rooftops that we need new leaders but > > Kenya being what it?is , i expect same guys on the > > scene come 2012. > > ? > > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. > > > Proudly Kenyan, > > Magiri > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > > wrote: > > > From: "Remorque" > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > > Murithi Magiri > > wrote: > > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of > > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as > > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must > > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the > > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of > > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i > > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for > > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can > > be turned. > > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong > > in a row. > > > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. > > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we > > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save > > me this agony. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > > Nairobi,KE > > +254733744121/+254722743223 > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > > man is when he is a baby." > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie > > Wood > > >? ? ? > > >? ? ??? > > ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger athttp://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15d4aec20903190357n1774f58dt2febcc69c4d5414f@mail.gmail.com> 1. when you call, your calls go unanswered - then mteja almost immediately 2. when you text, you get no replies 3. you receive less calls, or none at all 4. the other party gets overly defensive when you ask anything simple 5. the intimacy kwishas (in fact, this is the first to go, then the rest follow - no hugging, no holding hands, nothing) my 2 cent observations On 19/03/2009, Mathews wrote: > Comments please? > > > > -- Sarah Maureen Radoli Reporter/Research Assistant Jacaranda Designs Limited NAIROBI 3746270/7 The artist is not a special kind of person, rather each person is a special kind of artist. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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I pray you all have a blessed day. It was difficult for me to decide who I thought would DO this because many people claim to pray, but not everyone does. I hope I choose the right twelve. Please send this back to me. (You'll see why). May everyone who received this message be blessed. There are 12 months/ 12 disciples/ 12 tribes of Israel / Jesus' birth celebrated in the 12th month. There is nothing attached. Just send this to twelve others. Prayer is one of the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost, just a lot of reward. Make sure you pray, and pray believing God will answer. May today be all you need it to be. May the Peace of God and the freshness of the Holy Spirit rest in your thoughts, rule in your dreams tonight, and conquer all your fears. May God manifest himself today in ways you have never experienced. May your joys be fulfilled, your dreams be closer, and your prayers be answered. I pray that faith enters a new height for you; I pray that your territory is enlarged. I pray for peace, healing, health, happiness, prosperity, joy, true and undying love for God. Now send this to 12 people within 5 minutes and remember to send this back.... I count as 2, you'll see why. Suggestion: copy and paste rather than forward. May God's Grace and Mercy be poured out upon you today! _______________________________________________ Jambo mailing list Jambo at publiceyesite.org http://publiceyesite.org/mailman/listinfo/jambo_publiceyesite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gmjiwa at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 15:01:11 2009 From: gmjiwa at gmail.com (Mohamed Jiwa) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:01:11 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers In-Reply-To: <666190.17542.qm@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <666190.17542.qm@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1521f1600903191201k16729813ld3c2085e9c1e824b@mail.gmail.com> Edla I see your point, of course: You might simply be suggesting that a human being should act to make for change and we should do anything short of a bloody revolution to take back the control of this beautiful country. It's not that I don't think like that, too. Ok, I admit that I was being provocative and I thank you for your response to that. Let me clarify that you missed the point about the cockroaches. The logic is that since we are higher than animals in terms of our intellect and ability to work together why is it that we are the ones being prevented from enjoying the world freely, as it is, by laws made by corrupt human beings like for, example, those who colonised a wonderful, free borderless 'new world'? Sweeping statements that lead to bigotry. Well, I partially understand what you might be trying to say. Let me suggest, in respect to my idea that: 'everyone who is publicly vocal about corruption is likely to be privately corrupt unless they can prove that they can join two or three who can gather together, transparently, to create the conceptual seed that will give rise to the Kenya that gentle people want.' I challenge all YP_KE-s and all Kenyans that those of us who today or by intention in the future are truly transparent and accountable then, together, we would not be daunted by the idea of working with one another for practically nothing and living in a village of a few huts somewhere with the view of building ourselves from bottom up. Those who are not corrupt will hold my hand and take up my challenge. But I don't believe there are any. You see, I strongly believe that only people who are not corrupt are willing to live with less and believe in a new world created by dint of knowledge, self-confidence, imagination and love, only such kinds of things can enable us to imagine and realise a world that rises above mediocrity. Njiwa 2009/3/19 edla muga > Mohamed, while I am well with you in the belief that Kenyans should do > something about the rate of corruption in our country, I take issue with > your sweeping statement that all of Kenya is corrupt. That is an insult.Are > you corrupt yourself? I doubt it.... > Sweeping statements like this are what makes for bigotry.....Are you saying > there is no hope? One bad apple can spoil the rest so the issue is to remove > that bad apple before it gets to the rest in the basket and if we cannot do > anything as kenyans, then I am well for the West doing it for us. Many of > these corrupt people invest their corruptly earned savings abroad, at the > expense of the kenyan economy and poor kenyans....I support this action.. We > cannot live in isolation and sometimes, for small fry, like our corrupt > politicians, businesspeople etc, such small moves make them re-consider > their activities....We are told that during the talks to come up with the > current grand coalition document, the visas of someof the children of the > people onthe table were withdrawn and they were deported leading to movement > forward after stalements > > Human beings are not coakroaches. I dont know which world you live in but > immigration between borders must be controlled because Governments plan for > a certain number of people, including skilled and other migrants and we cant > just have people coming in and out as they please without order....it is not > just about restriction but planning and order..... > > --- On *Wed, 3/18/09, Mohamed Jiwa * wrote: > > > From: Mohamed Jiwa > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:34 AM > > Good question. > > People should be allowed to travel where they want to in the world. > Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The whole of Kenya is corrupt, as > far as I know, and that is what I shall assume until a few honest people are > willing to work together in transparency and accountability to create a base > for a clean-up operation. If there is no way forward that is feasible to > even a few of us and if logic cannot prevail even to a minority of clean > thinking people then, clearly, it can only be because everyone resorts to > one kind of corrupt practice or the other, privately, and lives remain > individual and private. There is no group consciousness to appeal to. We > are a corrupt nation by default. > > Nonetheless, if cockroaches and dogs can cross over to Tz and Ug without > passports then what is this nonsense of preventing human beings from doing > this too? > > I don't get it. The law should take its course wherever one is. > > 2009/3/18 FREDERICK WABWAYA > > > >> Dear Billy, >> You may find your suggestion quite far from the real culprits. Politicians >> normally >> look for an appropriate opportunity to release some information to confuse >> the people >> on who is being refered to and it works perfectly well. I am not saying >> that they are >> not the ones, but it could be any other minister who may be normally quiet >> and acts >> behind the scenes to perpetuate corruption and violence. The field is wide >> and thick. >> You know very well that the warrant of arrest for the owner of >> Triton Company alleged >> to have dried up the oil tanks in the country was withdrawn and up to >> today it is not yet >> known who ordered the withdrawal. It couldnt have been Kiraitu or Ruto. It >> is also clear that >> Atorney General did not do it, KACC Boss did not do it and the Police >> commissioner also distanced >> himself from the action. But this was a very huge scandal. There are many >> others anyway. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:22:39 -0700 >> From: bmijungu at yahoo.com >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> >> They did not need to mention explicitly ,statements zeroed in on Ruto >> and kiraitu >> >> but ruto frustated US imports and maize business , somehow asking kick >> backs befoe US maize was allowed in , then mention of post election violence >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 3/18/09, Jectone Ndunya >> >* wrote: >> >> From: Jectone Ndunya >> > >> Subject: [YP_Ke] US Ban on Corrupt Ministers >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:59 AM >> >> Hello to you all. >> >> Please let me know from you; is it in order for the US Government to >> impose a Travel ban on Public servant/s or Politician/s and fail to mention >> their names to the people they purport to be helping to fight Corruption? >> Let me know your view/s. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > G Mohamed Jiwa > > > > > > -- G Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 04:59:18 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] =?utf-8?q?FISHING_ACTIVITIES_IN_LAKE_VICTORIA_HAS_RESUMED?= =?utf-8?q?_FOLLOWING_UGANDA=E2=80=99S_WITHDRAWAL_OF_ITS_SOLDIERS_FROM_MIG?= =?utf-8?q?INGO?= Message-ID: <722421.53698.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FISHING ACTIVITIES IN LAKE VICTORIA HAS RESUMED FOLLOWING UGANDA?S WITHDRAWAL OF ITS SOLDIERS FROM MIGINGO Report by Leo Odera Omolo Uganda security personnel and revenue clerks form the Uganda Revenue Authority (URA) have started leaving the hotly disputed Migingo Island in land Victoria. Kenyan fishermen based on the Island reported by phone last night the first batch of 34 marine police left on Wednesday morning by boat for Bugiri more than 256 km away and the second batch of 54 left yesterday Thursday morning. Their departure has been delayed due to logistic problems, which include of boats and acute shortage of fuel for petrol driven boat engine, Kenyan petroleum dealers and businessmen operating on the offshore on the mainland had flatly refused to supply the Ugandan security men with fuel as they consider them as the illegal occupation forces and intruders.. The Uganda officers left in a single boat and took away some weapons they had brought into the disputed Islands three weeks. According to Mr. Juma Ombori, the Kenyan Chairman of Migingo Beach management Unit (BMU). ? They packet their luggage and all sorts of belonging and told us that they were going back to Uganda. The disputed surrounding Migingo and other Fishing Island seized during the region of Uganda by Surveyors jointly picked by the two countries. The Surveyors team is expected to help in drawing the boundaries of all Islands in the Lake Victoria to avert future conflict of interests. As the same plans are underway in which Kenya will start to deploy military personnel to the Island and fish landing beaches, which are located inside Kenyan territorial waters, Migingo Island include a long Lake Victoria. Disclosing this, the assistant Minister the finance Dr. Oburu Oginga whose Bondo constituency is bordering the lake and constantly came under the threat of invasion by both pirates and Uganda Security agent said the Kenya government would within the next two months deploy Kenya Navy officers to protect fishermen from harassment by force from neighboring countries. The assistant Minister was part of a government delegation to Uganda last week to discuss Migingo Island?s ownership ?From the bilateral agreement we had Uganda is supposed to have withdrawn their security personnel from Migingo. We shall be brining in the Kenya Navy from Mombasa and deploy them in the next month,? Dr. Oburu said. Earlier, word went round Uganda was opposed with drawing its security officers and revenue clerks from the disputed fishing Island. However as a meeting held between Kenya fishermen and Uganda marine police a senior Uganda Officer Milton Nuwagira said their government had no plans of retaining its officer on the Island he added that the dispute would be resolved amicably. Mr Omeri said in Kenya fishermen were happy and thanked both governments of Uganda and Kenya for their joint initiative through the diplomatic channel, which has brought the boiling issue to peaceful end. Meanwhile it was reported last night that hundreds of Kenyan fishermen who had fled the Island for safety in the mainland during the height of the dispute hike started streaming back to the fishing Island. Most of them had couple at Muhuru-Bay Karingu Bay and Nyandiza in Gwassi Constituency. Fishing activities when had come to abrupt halt has now resumed in earnest in the entire Nyatike and Suba districts following Uganda?s withdrawal along the offshore of Lake Victoria an action which had threatened to settle the Ksh 8 billion lucrative fish trade in the region. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com THE WORLD BANK GIVES KSH 7.2 BILION TO HELP LAKE VICTORIA FIGHT WATERS HYACINTH AND MASSIVE POLLUTION Environmental News by Leo Odera Omolo. Fishermen in Lake Victoria whose fishing activities is seriously hampered by the shocking water hyacinth and uncontrolled pollution in Lake Victoria can now afford to smile. The World Bank last week approved a Ksh 7.2 billion loan to rehabilitate Lake Victoria after years of uncertainty. The money will be utilized in tendering the first phase of the Lake Victoria environmental Management Project II (LVEMP II) The World Bank Executive Board acknowledged the project potential as a positive impact on employment water quality transport, energy and environment in the region. The project involves Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. It will also be expanded to Rwanda and Burundi. LIVEMP II aims to strengthen regions collaboration, reduce environmental stress and improve the livelihood of communities in the Lake basins. The first place consists of tour component among them strengthening institutional capacity for managing shared water and fisheries reserves in the Lake. It will, also include project co-coordinator and management to provide reserves for effective monitoring and evaluation activities and sharing of information among countries. Senior National Resource Management at the Bank?s Africa region Ladisy Chengula said the project would contribute to poverty alleviation in the countries involved ?The project was generate a wide range of benefit including economic growth, reducing poverty fostering regional co-operation and protecting the basin ecosystem,? he said. Besides supporting redetection and animals the basin also support a large fishing industry. About 35 million people, roughly 35 per cent of the population of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda, lives in the Lake Victoria basin Lake Victoria is the second largest fresh water body in the world, but the lake, however faces environmental stress including water hyacinth and pollution. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From cirumariga2007 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 01:23:51 2009 From: cirumariga2007 at gmail.com (Maryann Wanjiru) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Now MPs want pay rise before being taxed Message-ID: <83dfb3440903182223p1a457fb3x64a0232fa8e21f96@mail.gmail.com> http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/547722/-/u36g9b/-/index.html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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What yu conveniently forgot to mention was that Raila upon exiting LDP out of Kanu left with Kes 500M. what yu forgot to mention was the molasses debacle that everyone remembers but no one talks about. And of course theres assertions and proof tht alot of Maize trading activity was being coordinated out of the PM's office. Now the fact is that Raila has been led by his partner into the political sewer and it stinks. Theres no way he cant take atleast 50% responsibility for the muck the country is in. Infact he's in a worse situation as caroline Mutoko likes to say because Kenyans had GREAT EXPECTATIONS of raila, NOT of pres Kibaki. I mean do pple in Othaya even have any expectations of Emilio? But the Odinga only has himself to blame for this stinking mess. Expect major judgment at the 2012 poll, the game done changed bro! cheers! ----- Original Message ---- From: maurice oduor To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19:02 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere Benji, I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. He fought against the government of the day and you know what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. Raila has thus earned prominence on his own right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major politician to assert the rights of University students to hold a public protest. I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political families together to be blamed for all the ills facing Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong in such groupings, my good friend. Sincerely, Maurice --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > From: Mr BENJI > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru > has nothing going for him except his last name. And that > name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we > have built a fluid nation. > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and > smell the gdamn coffee. > proudly Kenyan > B. > > From: > Murithi Magiri > To: > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > Subject: > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi > Wamwere > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might > shout on the rooftops that we need new leaders but > Kenya being what it is , i expect same guys on the > scene come 2012. > > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. > > Proudly Kenyan, > Magiri > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > wrote: > > > From: "Remorque" > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > Murithi Magiri > wrote: > > > > > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can > be turned. > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong > in a row. > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save > me this agony. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > man is when he is a baby." > > - Natalie > Wood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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IF IN A FORUM LIKE THIS GUYS CAN AFFORD TO TALK OF BLOODSHED AND STRIFE TO GET BETTER LEADERSHIP!!!! WHY DO WE MOCK THE DEAD? THE INNOCENT KENYANS WHO DIED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY CAST THEIR VOTE....HADLY HAVE THEY DECOMPOSED, THAN SOMEONE AGAIN IS TELLING US TO GET POWER BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY....A REVOLUTIONARY...GUYS LETS THINK OF WHAT WE ARE SAYING...KENYA MIGHT NOT BE VERY LUCKY TO GET A KOFI ANAN ANOTHER TIME TO COME SOUGHT OUT OUR MESS.... AND SHAME ON YOU WHO ARE CALLING FOR VIOLENT PROTEST AND REVOLUTIONS....WITH YOUR HANDS RAISED THAT YOU WILL SHED BLOOD FOR KENYA..OUR FOREFATHERS ALREADY DID THAT ....LETS BE A LITTLE BRIGHT IF WE CAN ..... --- On Wed, 18/3/09, kithinji Eric wrote: From: kithinji Eric Subject: [YP_Ke] willing to die?! Raise your hand up! My two are up!! To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 6:31 PM Fellow Kenyans and comrades, With the current state of our country it is my opinion that we seriously turn around all the tables and possibly like Jesus weep these guys sitting in leadership positions because they have made this great country look like a great joke. It is my personal believe that Kenya has a great potential to be an economic and democratic giant in the the world only if we have the right people at the top. i feel that Kenya has been raped and the raping is still in progress. some guys said they came to rescue her only for her to now be led to darker corners 4 the act to continue. i love her and i cant stand this any longer. i have to prepare my weapons and go to rescue my love. WE NEED A REVOLUTION and a lot of sacrifice even if it means bloodshed. i think diplomacy will not apply in this case. we need 'good' people to stand and say no to this. until when shall we say, "politics is a dirty game" while it is the guys there are leading us to doom every day. Our fore fathers fought for the independence of this country and this freedom has been hijacked. it will not be in order for us to keep silent watch our doom and those of a coming generation. ponder this, but we must truly liberate our nation. Good time comrades. Regards, Eric Murithi Kithinji. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, maurice oduor wrote: From: maurice oduor Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 1:19 PM Benji, I agree with your sentiments on this. I however have an issue with you lumping the Odingas with the Mois, Kibakis, Mudavadis, Kalonzos. The Odinga family has never been on the side of any government that stole from or persecuted Kenyans. The elder Odinga left government in 1966 when he saw the culture of theft and impunity becoming intolerable. He fought against the government of the day and you know what happened to him and his followers as a consequence. Raila has paid a terrible price for always advocating and agitating on behalf of Kenyans. He even spent 9 years in detention. When he saw KANU as corrupt especially the way Moi simply imposed Uhuru as the presidential candidate, he promptly left government and fought to defeat it in 2002. Raila has thus earned prominence on his own right, not by inheritance. Recently, he was the only major politician to assert the rights of University students to hold a public protest. I know it is rather stylish nowadays to lump political families together to be blamed for all the ills facing Kenya,but I say go slow when it comes to including the odinga family in such groupings. The Odingas do not belong in such groupings, my good friend. Sincerely, Maurice --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mr BENJI wrote: > From: Mr BENJI > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Received: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:03 AM > Magiri, oh pleaze. Why are > sentiments on blogs mostly so predictable??! > Koigi simply stated the obvious, but I commend him. Uhuru > has nothing going for him except his last name. And that > name has alot to do with the problematic country we live in > today given that it set a flawed foundation upon which we > have built a fluid nation. > Stop your skepticism, WE shall build a new political order, > WE shall build a new Kenya. It will be hard, we expect to > pay in treasure, insults, blood and struggle. But we will > prevail and the old order; mudavadis, kalonzos, mois, > Kenyattas, kibakis and Odingas will be purged. Wake up and > smell the gdamn coffee. > proudly Kenyan > B. > > From: > Murithi Magiri > To: > youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Sent: > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:10 PM > Subject: > [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top seat.....Koigi > Wamwere > > > Odhiambo, You are allowed to think what > you can. Yes we agreed we need a new breed of leaders but, a > new breed doesnt mean those that are only appealing to you. > There is diversity of thoughts in a democracy.We might > shout?on the rooftops that we need new leaders but > Kenya being what it?is , i expect same guys on the > scene come 2012. > ? > Pole but i aint withdrawing my thoughts. > > Proudly Kenyan, > Magiri > > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, "Remorque" > wrote: > > > From: "Remorque" > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Uhuru not qualified for top > seat.....Koigi Wamwere > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:16 PM > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM, > Murithi Magiri > wrote: > > > > > > People are allowed by a democratic society to > express their opinion. In my assessment i read a lot of > bitterness and jealous in Koigi's sentiments. As much as > i don't advocate for monarchy of sorts in Kenya i must > respect the fact also that it is possible to have tow > leaders in one family latest example is Bush family in the > U.S (though a failure). Lets acknowledge there are a lot of > things (backstabbing, horse-trading and all ) that happens i > politics. At the moment everything seems to be going for > Uhuru.mark you, its about 4 years to elections, tables can > be turned. > > By the way , think about this, can two presidents be wrong > in a row. > > > > That's what I call bullshit! > > > > I need some anti-depressants after reading this e-mail. > > I thought we (yes, 99% almost) of this forum agreed that we > need a new breed of leaders for Kenya? Magiri, please save > me this agony. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a > man is when he is a baby." > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Natalie > Wood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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URL: From leooderaomolo at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 04:38:35 2009 From: leooderaomolo at yahoo.com (Leo Odera Omolo) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] HEATED ARGUMENTS RAGES ON AS SCRUMBLES FOR NEW DISTRICTS HEADQUATERS AND NAMES INTENSIFIED IN URIRI AND KASIPUL-KABONDO CONSTITUENCIES Message-ID: <525768.43937.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HEATED ARGUMENTS RAGES ON AS SCRUMBLES FOR NEW DISTRICTS HEADQUATERS AND NAMES INTENSIFIED IN URIRI AND KASIPUL-KABONDO CONSTITUENCIES News Analysis by Leo Odera Omolo Daggers are already drawn in what appear to be the new political battle lines in connection to the newly created Administrative Districts in the greater Southern Nyanza region. The region has recently been blessed with the creation of two new districts, namely Ndhiwa and Nyatike. The Government is yet to name the two more proposed new district in Uriri and Kasipul- Kabondo constituencies, though according to the statistics of the population the two areas are well qualified for consideration and creation of the two new Administrative Districts in Greater Southern Nyanza region. If the concept of bringing the administration closer to the people is anything to go by then Kasipul Kabondo and Uriri constituencies, the most populous areas in the region deserves sub division and creation of new districts. Ndhiwa was hived out of the Homa-Bay District. It is centrally located in a vast administrative region with 22 locations, 52 sub-locations and 5 Administrative Divisions. The five Divisions include Ndhiwa, Riana, Nyarongi, Kobama and Pala and the creation of this vast and rich agricultural region appeared to have sailed through smoothly. This is because all the residents have agreed in principles that Ndhiwa on which the new district draws its name be made the district head quarters Thanks to the political magnanimity and acumen of the sitting Ndhiwa MP Joshua Orwa Ojodeh, who is also the Assistant Minister for Internal Security in the grand coalition government.. Other logistics include the fact that Ndhiwa trading centre itself has sufficient room and land on which the District head quarters and other logistic supports would be established. Some of the Governmental heads could use the extra modern CDF office, a magnificent building now standing at the centre with all the office facilities and rooms readily available. Ndhiwa has well equipped sub-district hospital, water and electricity supplies and nursery and primary schoolss for the children of Administrative staff and other logistic support. The same could be said of the newly created Nyatike District which is hived out of Migori District. Nyatike already has its Divisional head quarters at Macalder where there is plenty of land and disused buildings previously owned by the now defunct , Macaldar Gold Mines which closed its business in 1962, shortly before the country attained her political independence in 1963. The whites miners left many modern building previously used by the mines staff and office intact when they left in hbuff.. Nyatike another vast land has three Administrative Divisions namely Karungu-Bay, Muhuru-Bay and Macalder which is also commonly known as Nyatike. The residents of the new district are so thankful to the hardworking youthful MP Edick Omondi Nyaanga, who is said to be working so close to the people, and has within a short stint in Parliament initiated many economic and infrastructure projects in the area. And like the neighboring Ndhiwa District, there is no grumbling among the residents over the two District names and the location of the its head quarter should be situated. These have already been identified since the creation of the two Districts. But the main battle will be fought not only about where the head quarters should be established but also what should be the names of the two proposed Administrative Districts to be established in Kasipul-Kabondo and Uriri Constituencies. In Kasipul-Kabondo, the battle For the name of the proposed new district which will be slashed out of the existing Rachuonyo district with its administrative block at Kosele expected to remain intact and serve the people of Kasipul Kabondo, though it is located right on the boundary of Karachuonyo and Kasipul Kabondo constituencies. Already sharp division has emerged between the indigenous and sojourners sub-clan which are commonly called (Jodak). The indegenant people want the new administrative line up in Rachuonyo be called south and west Rachuonyo districts. They are proposed that the new administrative head quarters for the west should be moved from the present Kosele to Kendu Bay town,which the present Kosele administrative block remains in south Karachuonyo{present Kasiupul-Kabondo} The area, especially Kasipul-Kabondo constituency, which host the largest population and voters that is now in sharp disagreement over which name should be given to the proposed new Rachuonyo south. The area host diverse sub-clans of sojourners and the indignant people. The indigenous sub-clan as the owners insisting that the district be called south Karachuonyo while the sojourners sub-clans have suggested that the proposed new district be called ?Mumbo? district, while the majority resident of Kabondo division insist the status quo of Kasipul Kabondo should remain unaltered and that the new district be centrally situated in places like Ringa, Ober or it remain at Oyugis Town The area MP Oyugi Magwanga and his supporters are the proponents that the new districts be called ?Mumbo? districts. Both Mumbo and south Rachuonyo names are both credible and makes logics because even long before and during colonial time, the Kasipul-Kabondo region was commonly known as Mumbo in the name (Mumbo) for which the residents had a lot of pride on as it entails a lot of historic events for their ancestors.. But what is heading for a bitter argument is the proposed Uriri district, which is expected to be hived out of Rongo district. The agriculturally rich region is currently called Uriri, the name which it drives from a small immigrant sub-clan, which migrated from Gem, Siaya district, and settled in the area in early 1930s. It branches of and area called Uriri in south Gem and the place where the sojourners or new immigrant who had settled in Central Kanyamkago Location had migrated from .To the indigenous Jo-Kanyamakago and Kamgundho sub-clans the names is an insult to them. Its being mentioned in connections with the proposed new district could have a serious repercussions, which could degenerate to sub-clans cleansing, and violent result, judging from the on-going behind the scene meetings. The name is alien to the indigenous Joka Kangamkago and Jo-kamgundho. The two sub-clan forms the backbone of the population in the area, though it now more or less a cosmopolitan rural constituency. Which has a host of people from nearly all major Luo-sub clans in both south and central Nyanza and as such it would only be fair to the indignant Jo-Kanyamkago and Kamgundho sub-clan if the new district should be named either Rapogi or Kanyamkago district. Uriri is a cosmopolitan area, because it is hosting a large number Luhuyia sub-clans, the majority being the Maragolis who have occupied twqo administrative locations around Kakrao and Achuth areas in the south and east as well as immigrants from n Karachuonyo, Jochila, Gemn, Alego, Uyoma, and Suba. Again the centrally placed location for the establishment of the proposed new district should not subject of the grumbling already there is a divisional headquarter at Rapogi with full fledged office worth block for the new Dc as well as the current residential house used by the area DO. In Uriri market there is no land space except an old a alre4ady dilapidated building formerly used by the late building constructed in the late 1940s whereas in Rapogi there is a modern building already in place to house the new D.C and in all the supportive departmental heads It is understood that the are MP Cyprian Ojwang Omolo has already blessed Uariri as the new districts name and Uriri market as the place where the administrative headquarter should be established but the indigenous fo Kayamkago and to Kamgundho people are vehemently opposed to this school of thought insisting on Rapogi as an ideas name out place for the new administrative headquarters. There is a lot behind the scene heated argument going in Uriri and Kasipul-Kabondo constituencies with people getting confused by small time bush politicians out to capitalize on the two issues. Ends leooderaomolo at yahoo.com From prcanb at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 09:07:05 2009 From: prcanb at yahoo.com (Absalom Birai) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Jambo] Open ended decisions! Message-ID: <169705.47815.qm@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hose who have been involved in research, and more so in formulating some kind of questionnaires,know that there are two types of questionnaires: Closed ended and open ended! What's the difference? In closed ended type of questionnaire, you don't allow too much room for anyone to add anything more or give you their detailed point of view. You kind of control the response! In open ended type of questionnaire, you allow for more information. Gives someone room to tell you more. In other words, you get more than you asked for! When it comes to making decisions in life, I would rather we all use open ended approach; and here is why! Because the university of Hard Knocks has taught me in great humility that: -When one is annoyed, there is a possibility of making wrong decision -When one is under the influence of alcohol or some kind of drugs, it's possible to make wrong decision -When one is under stress, there is a possibility of making wrong decision -When one has wrong advisers, there is every possibility of making a wrong decision -When one is excited, there has always been a possibility of making wrong decision -When one has no sufficient information, there is a possibility of making a wrong decision -When one is short sighted, there is a possibility of making a wrong decision So, whenever you make a decision, I mean any decision, please use the open ended approach. In this way, you will allow for, -The family in put -Intimate friend's in put -The community in put -Your church family in put -Your pastors in put -And most important, God's in put Do not rush but rather sleep on the decision, pray about it, and listen to God's direction! If others fail you, the man of Galilee will not. Here is what He has promised! Isaiah 30:21-Whether you turn to the right or the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying,, "This is the way; walk in it." John 14:18-I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Isaiah 66:24-Before they call, I will answer; while they are still speaking, I will hear And so dear friend, by following the open ended approach, you will allow those who love you to chip in. Yea, even Jesus of Nazareth, our Lord and Savior! I sure will follow the open ended approach. How about you? Just a thought. Pr Birai From amenya.gibson at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 04:01:42 2009 From: amenya.gibson at gmail.com (amenya gibson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:01:42 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Will Central Bank Reduce Interest Rate on Friday Message-ID: <54e76b740903200101v125bdd94x1e8f896da81eae54@mail.gmail.com> Hi YPs I am glad to say the fundamentals of our economy are strong and if our government keep engaging more and more with all stakeholders we shall cushion ourselves from the global financial crisis. Am glad too,to notice that Cabinet did approve bail out of Pan Paper and I expect more of this coming so others too. Tomorrow the Monetary Policy Committee will be sitting to discuss if they will reduce or increase or leave the same the level of Interest Rate currently on. The hot issue that they will have to discuss seriously is on how interest rate will impact on bond markets. Bond markets behave different in line with interest rate,If you increase Interest rate, the bond value reduces which may be more serious too. A low bond value will see call upson as secondary market will shy away from trading a weak bond which may be a very dangerous angle to corporate like Safaricom that am told will be heading to the market to issue 10 Billions in bond I hope this time they get local advise and NOT CITI Group advice as they did with IPO,they robbed Kenyans by their *greedy derivatives they imposed on foreigner IPO clients* .Most of them never pick up their shares allotment But when Central Bank decided to reduce Interest rate, more cash will be in the economy and banks will have more cash reserves to expand, lending too, so that economy can grow hence helping government to get tax revenue. I wait to see what step will CBK opt to take. 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URL: From gmjiwa at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 04:09:53 2009 From: gmjiwa at gmail.com (Mohamed Jiwa) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:09:53 +0300 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers In-Reply-To: <22568.55340.qm@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <22568.55340.qm@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1521f1600903200109k3d1cd513k87349afa1196fa96@mail.gmail.com> Yes, we can take 'it' up, if you like. Your opinion is as arguable as mine. You have my email address. I don't believe that we should argue about it but we can discuss it. My statement was provocative, yes, and I am sorry if it hurt your sensibilities. I should comment/ clarify briefly, however and then close the subject in the public domain, if you don't mind: I have highlighted points in your reply 1. Gandhi's principles were not about remaining poor. 2. You can live, feed and be healthy in the village, probably more so than in the city. The principle of buildling up from scratch is to do with 'building' not existing. It is consciousness thing. They built for us, and they built corrupt institutions or institutions of corruptions, right up to Bretton Woods. 3. I did not say that you are corrupt personally - What I said was that we are a 'corrupt nation by default'. Think about what that means. One person who wishes to live clean in a country forced to live in the prone position cannot do so without a lot of discomfort or approaching a level of activism that often grows blind to how the world should maintain a sense of balance. We need to accept the shape that our nation has grown into as a nation. 4. I am not judging your level of integrity. We need people like you as a nation to have an exchange with in a productive way. I feel Kenyans can help themselves. 5. The notion of starting from scratch is probably starting from the beginning and remember who we were before we became who we are (refer to Wajibu issue on Memory and Identity, edited by yours truly). 6. Even the slums are villages in their own way, as are various spaces of Nairobi that can be identified organically. I think Korogocho may be one. We need the discussion but not the argument. Discussions define goals. May we do that? Mohamed 2009/3/20 edla muga > My dear, Gandhi's principles of poverty do not apply to this gal. I > respect them but it is not my calling. I want to live well, feed well and > be healthy. Even from the little comfort I have built for myself, I can > still fight against corruption. Just because I want good things for me and > my family does not mean I am corrupt.......I dont have to live in a > village mud hut to hate or fight corruption Mohamed. All it takes is > principles. Many of us dont seem to have them right now but it is still no > excuse for calling all Kenyans corrupt. > > > --- On *Thu, 3/19/09, Mohamed Jiwa * wrote: > > > From: Mohamed Jiwa > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers > To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:01 PM > > > Edla > > I see your point, of course: You might simply be suggesting that a human > being should act to make for change and we should do anything short of a > bloody revolution to take back the control of this beautiful country. It's > not that I don't think like that, too. > > Ok, I admit that I was being provocative and I thank you for your response > to that. > > Let me clarify that you missed the point about the cockroaches. The logic > is that since we are higher than animals in terms of our intellect and > ability to work together why is it that we are the ones being prevented from > enjoying the world freely, as it is, by laws made by corrupt human beings > like for, example, those who colonised a wonderful, free borderless 'new > world'? > > Sweeping statements that lead to bigotry. Well, I partially understand > what you might be trying to say. Let me suggest, in respect to my idea > that: > > 'everyone who is publicly vocal about corruption is likely to be privately > corrupt unless they can prove that they can join two or three who can gather > together, transparently, to create the conceptual seed that will give rise > to the Kenya that gentle people want.' > > I challenge all YP_KE-s and all Kenyans that those of us who today or by > intention in the future are truly transparent and accountable then, > together, we would not be daunted by the idea of working with one another > for practically nothing and living in a village of a few huts somewhere with > the view of building ourselves from bottom up. Those who are not corrupt > will hold my hand and take up my challenge. But I don't believe there are > any. > > You see, I strongly believe that only people who are not corrupt are > willing to live with less and believe in a new world created by dint of > knowledge, self-confidence, imagination and love, only such kinds of things > can enable us to imagine and realise a world that rises above mediocrity. > > Njiwa > > > 2009/3/19 edla muga > > > >> Mohamed, while I am well with you in the belief that Kenyans should do >> something about the rate of corruption in our country, I take issue with >> your sweeping statement that all of Kenya is corrupt. That is an insult.Are >> you corrupt yourself? I doubt it.... >> Sweeping statements like this are what makes for bigotry.....Are you >> saying there is no hope? One bad apple can spoil the rest so the issue is to >> remove that bad apple before it gets to the rest in the basket and if we >> cannot do anything as kenyans, then I am well for the West doing it for us. >> Many of these corrupt people invest their corruptly earned savings abroad, >> at the expense of the kenyan economy and poor kenyans....I support this >> action.. We cannot live in isolation and sometimes, for small fry, like our >> corrupt politicians, businesspeople etc, such small moves make them >> re-consider their activities....We are told that during the talks to come up >> with the current grand coalition document, the visas of someof the children >> of the people onthe table were withdrawn and they were deported leading to >> movement forward after stalements >> >> Human beings are not coakroaches. I dont know which world you live in but >> immigration between borders must be controlled because Governments plan for >> a certain number of people, including skilled and other migrants and we cant >> just have people coming in and out as they please without order....it is not >> just about restriction but planning and order..... >> >> --- On *Wed, 3/18/09, Mohamed Jiwa >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mohamed Jiwa > >> >> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers >> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:34 AM >> >> Good question. >> >> People should be allowed to travel where they want to in the world. >> Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The whole of Kenya is corrupt, as >> far as I know, and that is what I shall assume until a few honest people are >> willing to work together in transparency and accountability to create a base >> for a clean-up operation. If there is no way forward that is feasible to >> even a few of us and if logic cannot prevail even to a minority of clean >> thinking people then, clearly, it can only be because everyone resorts to >> one kind of corrupt practice or the other, privately, and lives remain >> individual and private. There is no group consciousness to appeal to. We >> are a corrupt nation by default. >> >> Nonetheless, if cockroaches and dogs can cross over to Tz and Ug without >> passports then what is this nonsense of preventing human beings from doing >> this too? >> >> I don't get it. The law should take its course wherever one is. >> >> 2009/3/18 FREDERICK WABWAYA >> > >> >>> Dear Billy, >>> You may find your suggestion quite far from the real culprits. >>> Politicians normally >>> look for an appropriate opportunity to release some information to >>> confuse the people >>> on who is being refered to and it works perfectly well. I am not saying >>> that they are >>> not the ones, but it could be any other minister who may be normally >>> quiet and acts >>> behind the scenes to perpetuate corruption and violence. The field is >>> wide and thick. >>> You know very well that the warrant of arrest for the owner of >>> Triton Company alleged >>> to have dried up the oil tanks in the country was withdrawn and up to >>> today it is not yet >>> known who ordered the withdrawal. It couldnt have been Kiraitu or Ruto. >>> It is also clear that >>> Atorney General did not do it, KACC Boss did not do it and the Police >>> commissioner also distanced >>> himself from the action. But this was a very huge scandal. There are many >>> others anyway. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:22:39 -0700 >>> From: bmijungu at yahoo.com >>> Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: US Ban on Corrupt Ministers >>> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >>> >>> They did not need to mention explicitly ,statements zeroed in on Ruto >>> and kiraitu >>> >>> but ruto frustated US imports and maize business , somehow asking kick >>> backs befoe US maize was allowed in , then mention of post election violence >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Wed, 3/18/09, Jectone Ndunya >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> From: Jectone Ndunya >>> > >>> Subject: [YP_Ke] US Ban on Corrupt Ministers >>> To: youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com >>> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:59 AM >>> >>> Hello to you all. >>> >>> Please let me know from you; is it in order for the US Government to >>> impose a Travel ban on Public servant/s or Politician/s and fail to mention >>> their names to the people they purport to be helping to fight Corruption? >>> Let me know your view/s. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> G Mohamed Jiwa >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > G Mohamed Jiwa > > > > > > -- G Mohamed Jiwa --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. 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In-Reply-To: <425a667a-13b5-434b-9db3-23c9f2ee4eca@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> References: <425a667a-13b5-434b-9db3-23c9f2ee4eca@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <259008.53793.qm@web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Whoa!!! That chick must hav really twisted the knife.....uuuuuuuuu!!! and so have many more!!!! U got to move on, dont you watch oprah???? ________________________________ From: Simiyu To: youngprofessionals_ke Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:09:25 PM Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! Linda and the rest,. I still stand by what I said(at least it works for me).I tried being a nice a person and what i got was nothing more than dissapointment.Kimani its not my perspective its the ladies who made me have that perspective an dits nothing but absolutely true.Infact when you treat them like trash that is when they keep calling and begging if you try being nice they treat you like trash.Thats why I said dating behaviours of ladies is weird and unreasonable.Felix am tempted to think you are dating an above average kenyan lady who can still appreciate you when being nice,otherwise an average kenyan lady would not date and like you once you start being nice to her. Where i come from There is a joke that if you dont batter your wife once in a while she will ran away cz she thinks that you dont love her. SS On Mar 20, 11:32 am, Anne Kimani wrote: > @ Simiyu, > > Just go back to the caves and try those tactics. > > We are in the 21st Century. > > @Linda it's not about the women he has met, it is about his way of looking > at women. > > Hope he does not think his daughters will be treated that way - in case he > has/will get any. > > Have a gender sensive day - either way, that is. > > Anne Kimani > Kigali, Rwanda. > > Simiyu > oo.com> To > Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke > youngprofessional s_ke at googlegroups .com> > .com cc > > Subject > 20/03/2009 08:27 [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the > AM ladies want!! > > Please respond to > youngprofessional > s_ke at googlegroups > .com > > Linda, > > What I said is based on experience Linda.Now you can see the proble > with women folk:they dont like to be told the truth they prefer lies. > > SS > > On Mar 20, 8:02 am, Linda.Muli... at fco.gov.uk wrote: > > > > > Simiyu you disappoint me. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simiyu [mailto:sammy_sim... at yahoo.com] > > Sent: 19 March 2009 16:26 > > To: youngprofessionals_ke > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! > > > Trust me On this, > > > THe only And ONLY way to get a woman Interested in you is if you treat > > them like TRASH.Trust me it works.(I dont know how women think whne > > dating but their dating behaviour and preferances are weird) > > > SS > > > On Mar 19, 4:08 pm, leakey mushangi wrote: > > > Dude forget everything else, define yourself , love yourself , be > > > yourself, enjoy ur OWN company always ,forget about being nice so that > > > someone else may like you > > ***************************************************************************?? > ********> Join the debate on the London Summit atwww.londonsummit.gov.uk > > > Visithttp://www.fco.gov.ukforBritish foreign policy news and travel > > advice andhttp://blogs.fco.gov.uktoread our blogs. > > > Please note that all messages sent and received by members of the Foreign > > & Commonwealth Office and its missions overseas may be automatically > logged, monitored and/or recorded in accordance with the Telecommunications > (Lawful Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations > 2000. We keep and use information in line with the Data Protection Act > 1998. We may release this personal information to other UK government > departments and public authorities.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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In-Reply-To: <425a667a-13b5-434b-9db3-23c9f2ee4eca@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> References: <425a667a-13b5-434b-9db3-23c9f2ee4eca@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1baf5dd20903200318n11e2edc1i88f13787e0ea6aa7@mail.gmail.com> Ladies and gentlemen,it takes two to tango.If you treat me like trash,i do likewise,you call me bitch,why not you too can be a bitch,or the male version of that.If its playing women,then,women can play men.There is no one without a histrory,or of past hurts,but if you cling too long on how hurt youve been,you might not see a good thing coming by.If a past relationship did not work,then move on.......their loss they actually have no idea what they are missing out on,and i believe be it the lady or the man playing you,then they are not worth you.It hurts,but you have to believe someone great will come your way,hopefully your mind and eyes will be open when that finally happens. Trashing women or men for that matter will not make the pain go away,it is just proof that neither can let go of a past wrong done to them. Failures or mistakes are just steps to your success. As the saying goes,one door closes and another opens.......... lynn On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Simiyu wrote: > > Linda and the rest,. > > I still stand by what I said(at least it works for me).I tried being a > nice a person and what i got was nothing more than > dissapointment.Kimani its not my perspective its the ladies who made > me have that perspective an dits nothing but absolutely true.Infact > when you treat them like trash that is when they keep calling and > begging if you try being nice they treat you like trash.Thats why I > said dating behaviours of ladies is weird and unreasonable.Felix am > tempted to think you are dating an above average kenyan lady who can > still appreciate you when being nice,otherwise an average kenyan lady > would not date and like you once you start being nice to her. > > Where i come from There is a joke that if you dont batter your wife > once in a while she will ran away cz she thinks that you dont love > her. > > SS > > On Mar 20, 11:32 am, Anne Kimani wrote: > > @ Simiyu, > > > > Just go back to the caves and try those tactics. > > > > We are in the 21st Century. > > > > @Linda it's not about the women he has met, it is about his way of > looking > > at women. > > > > Hope he does not think his daughters will be treated that way - in case > he > > has/will get any. > > > > Have a gender sensive day - either way, that is. > > > > Anne Kimani > > Kigali, Rwanda. > > > > Simiyu > > > > > oo.com> > To > > Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke > > > youngprofessional > > s_ke at googlegroups .com> > > > .com > cc > > > > > Subject > > 20/03/2009 08:27 [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the > > > AM ladies want!! > > > > > Please respond to > > > youngprofessional > > > s_ke at googlegroups > > > .com > > > > > Linda, > > > > What I said is based on experience Linda.Now you can see the proble > > with women folk:they dont like to be told the truth they prefer lies. > > > > SS > > > > On Mar 20, 8:02 am, Linda.Muli... at fco.gov.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simiyu you disappoint me. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Simiyu [mailto:sammy_sim... at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: 19 March 2009 16:26 > > > To: youngprofessionals_ke > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! > > > > > Trust me On this, > > > > > THe only And ONLY way to get a woman Interested in you is if you treat > > > them like TRASH.Trust me it works.(I dont know how women think whne > > > dating but their dating behaviour and preferances are weird) > > > > > SS > > > > > On Mar 19, 4:08 pm, leakey mushangi wrote: > > > > Dude forget everything else, define yourself , love yourself , be > > > > yourself, enjoy ur OWN company always ,forget about being nice so > that > > > > someone else may like you > > > > > ***************************************************************************?? > > ********> Join the debate on the London Summit atwww.londonsummit.gov.uk > > > > > Visithttp://www.fco.gov.ukforBritish foreign policy news and travel > > > > advice andhttp://blogs.fco.gov.uktoread our blogs. > > > > > Please note that all messages sent and received by members of the > Foreign > > > > & Commonwealth Office and its missions overseas may be automatically > > logged, monitored and/or recorded in accordance with the > Telecommunications > > (Lawful Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations > > 2000. We keep and use information in line with the Data Protection Act > > 1998. We may release this personal information to other UK government > > departments and public authorities.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ REACH OVER 8,000 MEMBERS DIRECTLY BY ADVERTISING ON THIS FORUM. CHARGES ARE Ksh. 500 PER ADVERT. CALL/MPESA ON +254721663208 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "youngprofessionals_ke" group. 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The more you know/have, the higher you go, and the more you travel, the more you are expected to show by example and precept that you understand your responsibilities. Here are some examples: -Once you have been to college/university, you are expected to behave as one who has been to school. -Once you have traveled from the country side to the city, you need to be careful lest you carry some of the village mentality in you to the city. -Once you have traveled to a country other than yours, you are expected to examine and rearrange your priorities. Know what is expected of you in your host /new found country -When you are a leader, you are expected to behave and do things responsibly. You are expected to be honest and safeguard the interests of your subjects. -When you become a Christian, you are expected to be kind, gentle, peace maker, respectful, non abusive, caring, friendly, healthful, and always active in things of God -Once you realize that you are human, act as if you are human. Perhaps the best you and I can do is to take a few moments and examine our status, attitude, and the way we relate to others! I sure will do that! How about you? Just a thought Pr Birai From fotiato at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 07:30:42 2009 From: fotiato at gmail.com (Felix Otiato) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:30:42 -1200 Subject: [Jambo] [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! In-Reply-To: <259008.53793.qm@web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <425a667a-13b5-434b-9db3-23c9f2ee4eca@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <259008.53793.qm@web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71d6154f0903200430p726dcd34p9aa43c6d0ad8a4b0@mail.gmail.com> Sharon ha sput it very well that what we see in the magazines (and worse still Oprah) never works. We tend to fantasize on the type of man or woman we want to spend the rest of our lives with. and one way or the other someone there will be disappointed. I have made a mental note that drunkards, addicts and even violent men tend to have women who always stand by them even in this 21st century. So i think we are reading too many magazines. It is true that people will always love you for who you are not who you pretend to be. So I do not see anything wrong for a woman to love Simiyu for trating her like trash. Love is such a strange thing and the tall dark handsome or the yellow and endowed thing just happens in the movies. On 3/19/09, clare imbuhilla wrote: > > Whoa!!! That chick must hav really twisted the knife.....uuuuuuuuu!!! and > so have many more!!!! U got to move on, dont you watch oprah???? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Simiyu > *To:* youngprofessionals_ke > *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2009 12:09:25 PM > *Subject:* [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! > > > Linda and the rest,. > > I still stand by what I said(at least it works for me).I tried being a > nice a person and what i got was nothing more than > dissapointment.Kimani its not my perspective its the ladies who made > me have that perspective an dits nothing but absolutely true.Infact > when you treat them like trash that is when they keep calling and > begging if you try being nice they treat you like trash.Thats why I > said dating behaviours of ladies is weird and unreasonable.Felix am > tempted to think you are dating an above average kenyan lady who can > still appreciate you when being nice,otherwise an average kenyan lady > would not date and like you once you start being nice to her. > > Where i come from There is a joke that if you dont batter your wife > once in a while she will ran away cz she thinks that you dont love > her. > > SS > > On Mar 20, 11:32 am, Anne Kimani wrote: > > @ Simiyu, > > > > Just go back to the caves and try those tactics. > > > > We are in the 21st Century. > > > > @Linda it's not about the women he has met, it is about his way of > looking > > at women. > > > > Hope he does not think his daughters will be treated that way - in case > he > > has/will get any. > > > > Have a gender sensive day - either way, that is. > > > > Anne Kimani > > Kigali, Rwanda. > > > > Simiyu > > > > > oo.com> > To > > Sent by: youngprofessionals_ke > > > youngprofessional > > s_ke at googlegroups .com> > > > .com > cc > > > > > Subject > > 20/03/2009 08:27 [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the > > > AM ladies want!! > > > > > Please respond to > > > youngprofessional > > > s_ke at googlegroups > > > .com > > > > > Linda, > > > > What I said is based on experience Linda.Now you can see the proble > > with women folk:they dont like to be told the truth they prefer lies. > > > > SS > > > > On Mar 20, 8:02 am, Linda.Muli... at fco.gov.uk wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simiyu you disappoint me. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Simiyu [mailto:sammy_sim... at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: 19 March 2009 16:26 > > > To: youngprofessionals_ke > > > Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Being the man the ladies want!! > > > > > Trust me On this, > > > > > THe only And ONLY way to get a woman Interested in you is if you treat > > > them like TRASH.Trust me it works.(I dont know how women think whne > > > dating but their dating behaviour and preferances are weird) > > > > > SS > > > > > On Mar 19, 4:08 pm, leakey mushangi wrote: > > > > Dude forget everything else, define yourself , love yourself , be > > > > yourself, enjoy ur OWN company always ,forget about being nice so > that > > > > someone else may like you > > > > > ***************************************************************************?? > > ********> Join the debate on the London Summit atwww.londonsummit.gov.uk > > > > > Visithttp://www.fco.gov.ukforBritishforeign policy news and travel > > > > advice andhttp://blogs.fco.gov.uktoread our blogs. > > > > > Please note that all messages sent and received by members of the > Foreign > > > > & Commonwealth Office and its missions overseas may be automatically > > logged, monitored and/or recorded in accordance with the > Telecommunications > > (Lawful Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations > > 2000. 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